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Canadian Lawful Access Legislation
EvilAlien writes "In Canada, existing legislation covers access to telephone records, disclosure of customer information in accordance with the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA) and other means compelling the release of information. However, the laws regulating access to these networks for Canadian law enforcement and national security groups are only under development. The Department of Justice has released their Lawful Access Consultation Document to get feedback from all the stakeholders including industry, civil liberties groups, and the legal community."
Though I like seeing Canadian issues get a lot of coverage, isn't this a double post
Buying a Dell computer is equivalent to dropping the soap in a prison shower.
Maybe they should be fighting their government for basic guaranteed human rights like free speech and press and the freedom to own guns before worrying about their "rights" online because they don't have any
Is owning a gun a basic human right? Lets take a quick guess at why there are so many shootings in USA. Quite frankly you can keep your rite to own guns, down here in NZ the cops don't normally carry guns. If someone is shot its headline news, not a daily occurance as it seems to be over there. You should be fighting to remove such a "right" as it will likely get you killed.
Orthanc
liberal commie
Canada is slightly left wing compared to the US, but it is definitely not communist. Do some of your own research.
shithole
You are forgetting that this shithole is about the best place to live in the world according to the United Nations. I think we ranked 2nd or 3rd this year, but have rated consistently 1st for the past number of years. Oh yah, and the US is not even in the top 5.
All I can say is, at least we don't have a retard like bush for our leader.
True North Strong and Free...that's what our national anthem says...Mr Bush & Co have gutted the US Bill of Rights, don't let our so-called "Liberal" government do the same. We can fight terrorism with the tools we have, the only reason why 9/11 happened is that we were not looking for it.
...concerned about his home, and his friends in the States.
If we turn this continent into Fortress North America, they they have won the war by making us into our worst fears...a police state with autocractic politicians. When rule of force becomes the rule of law, we might as well just elect a dictator and be done with it.
If the US is going to be too stupid to realize what they have done, let's show then how it's done, and maybe they will realize their mistake before theey *do* elect a dictator.
ttyl
Farrell
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That's pretty ignorant. I am Canadian, but I don't say that American issues don't matter. DMCA doesn't matter because I'm Canadian, so Slashdot shouldn't post about it, is that how I should think?
Perhaps you should go back to the dump and find your soul. It's good to care about what happens in countries besides your own.
The global economy is a great thing until you feel it locally.
Your percieved "namby-pamby" attitude towards human rights accounts for a lack of Canadian culture? That doesn't make any sense. If fact, I want you to describe to me what American culture is because I don't know.
Do you consider music a part of culture? If so then Britney Spears is our culture and that's pretty pathetic. I think you'll find that upon speaking with some Canadians and Americans from different regions there are many cultures within each country. Texas sure isn't the same as New York, is it?
The global economy is a great thing until you feel it locally.
Banning guns seems to be restricting your rights...
Guns are not banned they are licenced. I know plenty of people that hunt on a regular basis and have been myself.
Owning a gun is not a right it is a privelege. In order to own a gun you must have a licence, it is not a difficult process to go through but it stops some of the "bad people" from getting guns. It also makes it far easier to trace those that are used.
Orthanc
Sorry for feeding the Trolls but they threatened my billy-goat (sheep).
We can't fool you! Just in case, we've decided to reinforce our igloos and ration the sled dogs' food. Can't be too careful. Rumour is that the terrorists have a heat bomb.
The global economy is a great thing until you feel it locally.
Just a thought.
Can I claim "First worthwhile post"?
I'm going to ignore comments thus far as generally just not representative of Slashdotters, most of whom can find Canada on a map.
This story is a duplicate post on Slashdot, but parts of the story haven't really been covered yet: additional links are to be found in this story, which you can follow to find out more info on the issue, including some sample response from Canadian ISPs, one of which I represent. We're also CAIP members and I can tell you that the only comments I've seen on the members' mailing list so far are all negative, so you can probably expect resistance on our part, as the stories linked indicate. Any Canadian Slashdotters (believe it or not, not everyone here is American - I wonder if there are any geographical
Contrary to one informationally-ignorant prior post, as Canadians we do have Rights and Freedoms, and as in every other country (yes, including the USA) sometimes we need to speak up to exercise them and make sure that they aren't clawed back from us.
-brt
Penguinista!
You will be un-assimilated. Resistance is just plain stupid.
Not the only factor granted. But remove weapon accessability and gun murders are likely to decrease.
Orthanc
no, but anyone can go to a gun show and buy an assault rifle, which are banned in most (all?) states, and this is all legal, why can they do this, because the gun technically doesn't work, this guy at a gun show will have a booth full of assault rifles that are legal for anyone to buy because all the guns have some little spring taken out, and you know what the guy in the next booth is selling? little springs!!, i'm an american, and i dont think its a basic right to own guns, many people cant be trusted with guns, especially americans, most people just aren't smart/responsible/whatever enough to have something thats intended purpose is to very easily end a life... that was a rant, go aheahd and mod me down
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
its probably sweden, swiss army reserves are only requred to cary their knives around
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
WOW...now that is a bad bad day...
*When you gotta go...*
Sir, you should submit your case to the Darwin Awards. As the nature of the injury precludes the replication of your genes, you are very likely to win a Darwin award. See, your situation isn't all bad!
sad, pathetic and ignorant...the lot of you. And to think that I thought that /. represented a more educated to outlook, guess I'll have to change my start page to something more intelligent.....maybe http://pbskids.org/teletubbies/
I'm a proud Canadian, but I have to say that the Americans are totally correct when they say Canada's military is a joke.
When's the last time someone's attacked Canadians? I most certainly would rather put tax dollars towards a better economy or food for the poor than funding an army which never kills (we have plenty of soldiers who help other countries through hard times, and our budget still covers them).
I beg to ask, what's stupid about this attitude? Canada has never needed more soldiers and never will. I am proud to live in a country which doesn't resort to war for every international problem (and doesn't pull stupid publicity stunts like "war on Bin Laden"), and I give our few forces the honour they deserve for giving help in other countries with no thought of reward.
It's spelled "rumor" you frog.
Only Americans spell it 'rumor.' English spelling is 'rumour.'
Yes, yes...I love your logic. Make a law to keep lawbreakers from breaking existing laws.
It's already illegal to shoot someone, but in order to keep people from breaking that law, you create a new law.
Exactly what the world needs, more laws.
All gun laws effect law-abiding citizens that don't generally pull guns and kill people.
The problem isn't the weaponry. If someone wants to kill and a gun isn't available, I'm sure there are other ways to kill someone.
The problem is the person behind the gun. Creating a culture where killing someone is considered a justifiable act, for example, is one cause.
A more effective mental health institution wouldn't hurt, either.
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It's actually $ behind american music > $ behind Canadian music.
God save our Queen, and Heaven bless The Maple Leaf Forever!
Here is a leaked draft of a similar framework (proposal) on data retention in Europe, and here is Statewatch analysis of it - I believe the analysis is good reference for Canada/US as well. It seems these things are happening all over the world at same time, so maybe the kick-off to start working on these was made in some multi-national meeting (interpol, maybe). Anyway, it is rather alarming.
After reading this, it's no wonder a lot of the world hates the States. It's those of you who have no respect for other cultures/nations/etc. that are causing it. Not saying that the states is the only country that does this though. I've known Canadians too who have done this (although the states is a lot bigger, therefore being heard more); it sicken's me how ignorent people are. I do not believe /. was created with the intent of having flame wars like "my country's better than yours".
I'd be surprised if this reply does not get any "childish" responses.
Klerck wasn't modded down, he posts at -1 by default. I guess you havn't been around here very long. Klerck is the most famous crapflooder. I'm glad to see he is posting his opinions rather than crapflooding now, he is actally pretty smart it seems.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
plus in Canada they have totally nude bars, not this topless shit we have in the US.
:)
Wow, isn't that dangerous? How do the waitresses serve hot food?
I know what everyone will say,"very carefully".
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
All gun laws effect law-abiding citizens that don't generally pull guns and kill people
How so? For example. If automatic weapons were banned/restricted would that affect hunters. If you are hunting with automatic weapons you need a serious change of attitude.
It's already illegal to shoot someone, but in order to keep people from breaking that law, you create a new law
Last time I checked it was illegal to blow up building (I believe this is know as "terrorism"), I'm pretty sure you need a licence to legally obtain nitro or plastic explosives.
It's illegal to steal. It's also illegal to sell stolen property. A law to stop people breaking the law by stealing.
If someone wants to kill and a gun isn't available..
True, but I'd rather someone come at me with a knife rather than an assult rifle.
Orthanc
The deadline for feedback is November 15, 2002.
In order to own a gun you must have a licence, it is not a difficult process to go through but it stops some of the "bad people" from getting guns.
That is such utter bullshit. If you want a gun you can get one illegally very easily in Canada. I'm all for proper training and annual evaluation to keep your FAC but don't for one second believe that it keeps it out of the hands of the baddies. If you want a gun bad enough you'll go around any roadblocks.
'm a proud Canadian, but I have to say that the Americans are totally correct when they say Canada's military is a joke.
We're horribly underfunded but that doesn't seem to stop us from achieving international recognition as some of the best trained and highest respected soldiers on the planet.
I'd love to have our military better funded. But a joke? Give your fucking head a shake. A proud Canadian would understand where the problem comes from and not assign blame/ridicule to the military itself.
I'm willing to bet that at least 60% of Canadians are happy with such legislation. Very few people care about there privacy.
Hell the government can look at our bank account whenever the hell he wants to. I sent letters to the mayor, letters to some political parties and no response whatsoever. What's amazing is that everyone I talked to didn't seem to care about the fact that the government can look into there bank account without permission.
BINGO! Americans Dont's seem to understand why the world dislikes them. It's this attitude that brings upon them days like 9/11.
Riding on your coattails, huh? Tell me, where do you get a lot of your water from? Where do you get a lot of your lumber from? Where do you get many of the natural resources that just don't exist in large quantities in your country(at dirt cheap prices) from? Did you know that you guys can buy Canadian lumber at cheaper prices than Canadians can?
You guys have been living the high life on the backs of honest Canadians for YEARS. It's hilarious how we supposedly have free trade with you guys, yet it doesn't really work bidirectionally, does it? If we buy something from you, we pay taxes. If you buy something from us ... no duties at all. That's really neat. It gets even better when you guys pass some half-baked legislation like the DMCA and we're expected to follow it by proxy.
Have a nice day. Hope a jumbo jet crashes into your house.
-- Jim
You hoser, the igloo ice makes it real easy to keep the beer and back bacon cold, eh? Although I've heard that Prime Minister Jean Poutine just keeps his beer in a his icefishing shanty on Rideau Canal, since it's frozen over all year round, eh?
Just another resident Maritimer. Go Baby Habs, eh!
Actually we don't have a leader or a military. Oh sure, we have a leader that's practically in your pocket every time they are elected (whoever it may be at the time... Chretien, Mulroney, they're all the same to me)
And the sole reason that planes aren't crashing into buildings in our country is because they have no reason to. Whereas the US is possibly the most hated nation on the planet (and for good reason, especially with dickheads like you residing in it)
Yeah, Canada has its uses alright. See this post. Yeah, you American scumbags are sure a compassionate nation by letting us live. Remember, might makes right.
-- Jim
Oh, don't worry, we're practically the 52nd state way up here. Those laws will apply to us, despite the fact that they were never passed in this country. Be nice to our American rulers and maybe they'll throw us a bone.
-- Jim
ou people have what for defense? Guys in bright red "Shoot Me Now, Please, Sir" jackets riding around on horses, for god's sake
Bah, all you guys have are so called marines dressed all in white who are only good at twirling their guns around like cheerleaders...not only is that pathetic but its kinda girly.
and you can't even own guns to defend yourSELVES
Yeah, nobody can get a gun permit in canada, its just impossible! All those hunters forced to hunt bare handed...that's so sad.
the only reason Canada is immune to attack and doesn't HAVE to go to war is simply because it happens to share [...] protection of the most powerful military power in the world.
Yes, the US military clearly made the US "immune to attack" like you said. No one EVER flew a plane in a US building, they're all too scared of the gun throwing cheerleaders!
Pathetic ignorant...
You can't take the sky from me...
How so? For example. If automatic weapons were banned/restricted would that affect hunters. If you are hunting with automatic weapons you need a serious change of attitude.
I'm okay with banning Automatics, but when you say that a 5'2" woman has to fill out a 6" pile of paperwork to get a concealed weapon permit (which is very often declined, unless you've worked for the police department) to carry a small 9mm Glock to protect herself from rapists...it's a bit extreme.
Last time I checked it was illegal to blow up building (I believe this is know as "terrorism"), I'm pretty sure you need a licence to legally obtain nitro or plastic explosives.
It's illegal to steal. It's also illegal to sell stolen property. A law to stop people breaking the law by stealing.
Yes, you can't obtain those, but if you go to your local Home Depot, you have the makings of another OK City bombing. I mean, Tim McVeigh didn't exactly buy the junk mail-order from "blowshitup.com", he got stuff from a local hardware store. Are you going to ban fertilizer now?
Illegal to steal for obvious reasons. Illegal to sell stolen property, because, technically, you have to own something to sell it. If you attempt to misrepresent your proper ownership of an item, it's called fraud.
True, but I'd rather someone come at me with a knife rather than an assult rifle.
You'd rather lie in the street bleeding to death slowly than to get it over with quickly...hmmm....smart.
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If Bush were to come to a sudden stop, Blair's head would end up halfway up Bush's ass.
Ryan T. Sammartino
"Ancora imparo"
I think Bush, Blair and Chretien probably like each other in that "special" way.
-- Jim
I can't believe the posts so far in this story. You'd think that there would at least be SOME amount of rational posts on /.
I think that we Canadians have offered our friendship to the U.S. long enough. The Americans are obviously not intelligent or mature enough to even bother acknowledging anymore. You wonder why people hate you? It's not a mystery to Canadians.
Screw the United States. The next time Osama knocks down one of your buildings, don't come whining to us for blood donations, places to land international flights, or donations for the victims. I, for one, couldn't give a shit. I'm sick of giving without even getting a thankyou.
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
If Cananda is such a great place, why do almost everyone in the country live as close to the 39th parallel as possible?
If you weren't a dumb American, you'd realize it's *warmer* towards the south of Canada. (You would also realize it's the 49th parallel, but nobody ever accused Americans of knowing where their border was.)
Since you're so interested, however, consider the fact that even though 80% of Canadians live withing 2 hours of the United States, very few actually live in border towns. Canadians live farther south for the climate, but not so far south that we have to smell the rancid stench of the United States.
BTW, Cuba is a great vacation spot - cheap as hell, great cigars, and no Americans. So sad you can't join us.
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
You'd rather lie in the street bleeding to death slowly than to get it over with quickly...
Go ask an A&E doctor how many people with gunshot wounds die instantly.
If you want a gun bad enough
I didn't say all. I said some.
anyway If you read my origonal post you would see the example I'm using is not Canada.
Canada (as we know it now) was founded in 1867. It was a business decision made by britshit business interests, as they realized they were not competent enough to compete against yankee businessmen.
(The typical britshit way of doing business is to force people to buy their products; cas in point, horsepiss brewer molson, came to canada only to find french peasants drinking their own applejack cider (grapes would not grow satisfactorly, and in any case, the french mostly came from Normandy where everyone makes applejack cider anyways). So, rather than corner the cider market, molson displayed his true britshit incompetence by whining that people wouln't buy his piss to the governor who promply outlawed applejack cider making, thus forcing the peasants to buy his horsepiss, the only thing he knew how to make).
Over the years, canada slightly evolved, but nevertheless remains mired as a britshit colony. But the main canadian problems remain the same thoughout the ages:
- Keep the americans out.
- Keep the french in.
All while hoping that, somehow, the indians would simply vanish.The french were the first to introduce european civilization to north-america. Well before the Mayflower, a small colony was thriving along the banks of the St-Lawrence, in good harmony with the indians who gave the french the technology to survive the long winters. As the french are not as constipated towards private property as the britshit are, they certainly did not mind sharing the country with the indians, which being a totally different civilization, had very few competing interests.
As there was plenty of interaction between the french and the indians, it is not surprising that it was french explorers who "discoved" (ha ha ha. Like if the indians didn't discover it first) most of the inside of the continent, as only them had the technology and knowledge to survive off the land, quite unlike most britshit (Baniel Boon was quite atypical in that respect) who never mingle with natives.
When the britshit colonized Egypt, for example, they built themselves clubs surrounded by high walls so the would not see the natives. When France was in Egypt, they built schools to educate the natives for free.
The french were also the only colonizers who did not exterminate the indians when they found out they could not enslave them. As they were not competing with the french for ressources (different civilizations), they were best left to themselves. Better yet, when the britshit expansion in New England pushed the Iroquois out, the french gladly accepted them in New-France and gave them territory, even though they used to be ennemies.
This changed with the coming of the britshit, who promptly rounded the indians into reserves, and going about with their ultra-constitpated notions of private property, much to the dismay of the indians chiefs.
The britshit also introduced biological warfare when lord amherst gave smallpox-infected blankets to indians. Truly the works of an unenligthened civilization whose only goal is rape, pillage and plunder!
At first, when a handful of britshit found themselves at the head of a colony peopled with 60,000 french peasants, they quickly realized that their usual governing tricks (especially when it came to repression of the scatholics - as the totality of the french were [officially] scatholics). So, in order not to be kicked back at sea by the french and their indians allies, they compromised and allowed scatholicism to keep running rampant.
This, of course, was the typical britshit incompetence at work, as this tolerance towards scatholics precipitated the american revolution... So, to keep a small worthless colony, the britshit risked and lost the prize jewel...
Over time, the britshit merchants discovered one fantastic thing about scatholicism: for a devout scatholic, making a profit (be it through commerce, hard work or mere stock manipulation) is a one-way ticket to hell. So, they reasoned, if the french population was kept scatholic (and therefore ignorant), they would not face any competition while they set shop...
So, those merchant princes, the Frobishers, McTavish, Redpath, Allan, etc. (the incompetent family compact) accumulated extraordinary wealth, by plundering natural ressources with the cheap labour provided by the ignorant (because scatholic) french.
In order to perpetuate that status, when the britshit north america act (the constitution of canada) was elaborated in 1867 by the incompetent family compact, they made sure to enshrine in the constitution that education would be solely controlled by the scatholic church, for the french (and by the protestants for the britshit, of course). This is the reason of the economic backwardness of the french in canada, backwardness that is only starting to subside, as the french threw out the scatholic church en masse starting some 8-10 years after television was introduced in 1952.
Canada went through the usual colonial troubles. In 1836-37, a rebellion tore apart the country, as mostly french people rebelled against the britshit (but the rebellion included a non negligeable amount of englishmen). The britshit army fought back with unparalleled savagery (until perhaps the nazis) and thousands of farms were burned to the ground. Resentment for this still survives to this day; and in fact, when the parliamant voted some 10 years later to indemnify the innocent victims of the destruction, a mob of brishit lowlifes (mostly businessmen and merchants) ransacked the parliament and burned it down to the ground, as that kind of people will not tolerate democracy.
In 1867, the canadian population was half french, half britshit (the britshit certainly didn't count the indians). However, in typical britshit fashion, only the landowners were granted the right of vote; and as the french were systematically poorer, they were therefore underepresented. But this not preclude the existence of prominent french politicians, such as Wilfrid Laurier, who was the first french prime minister. However, do not let the frenchness fool you; the britshit would not let anyone become prime minister unless he displayed the utmost allegiance to the britshit interests... This held true of other french prime ministers: Louis St-Laurent, Pierre-Elliott Trudeau (this one declared martial law in 1970 and put his political opponents in jail), Brian Mulroney (well, he's irish, but in Québec, the irish very much became french) and Jean Chrétin.
How does that work? His first post is -1, and his reply, which is a carbon copy of the first, gets +3?
/. phenomenon.
Obviously, some of the moderators are American, and some are from the rest of the world. Duelling moderation... a new(?)
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
Or maybe we could all pop our heads out of our ass and stop lapping up troll-shit. I love the movie Canadian Bacon because it pokes fun at US foreign policy while at the same time complimenting Canadian domestic policy. Canadians and Americans are here on one big piece of rock and, so far, we've managed to coexist by manifesting our hostilities in the sports arena. If you want to escalate that relationship out of some kind of jingoism, that's your call. Personally, I'd rather just play hockey. --K
Sig: Bad people happen. Try to avoid being one of them.
Can someone please point out to me where freedoms are actually being lost here? There seems to be a large amount of whining about nothing. This document appears to be looking at, basically, extending legal means of search into new technologies. You still need a court order to go searching for records or taking personal information, this proposal is just looking at methods of effectively doing this. There seems to be a lot of effort made to keep these changes legitimate and even keep them in line with similar procedures for what are currently used for telephone networks...
Go ask how many guys shot with an Automatic Rifle, as you illustrated in your original example, don't die quickly?
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Ahem. If rape is common enough that a woman needs to be actively concerned, doesn't that indicate a very serious societal problem? Rape, murder, and violent crimes should be rare in a healthy society. After all, we don't all walk around with lightning rods on our heads, "just in case" we get hit by lightning. Actually, I don't -- I don't really know about you, I guess. But I hope not.
Read some of my other posts on this topic. There IS a major societal problem. Even in low-crime areas, rape is a concern, especially for ladies who happen to go to college. Most rapes occur with women who are attending a college, generally aided (if not aided, then I'm sure it doesn't help) by the level of drugs and alcohol that goes around campuses.
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"Canada has something called the Charter of Rights and Freedoms [justice.gc.ca] which guarrantees their basic liberties.
... or am I just being an "ignorant Yank" again?
It does not mention anything about the right to own a gun, but why should it?"
It also doesn't mention about the right to vote for the members of the House of Lords, or the ability to vote for either your chief of state or head of government.
Also, I find myself uncomfortable with some of the wording. It states, for example, that everyone has the freedom of expression. Nothing about how much freedom or who says how much, just that it's there. Somewhere. I may be biased, but I would prefer wording to the affect of "Parliament shall make no law abridging the freedom of expression."
Of course, the document goes on to limit just how much freedom of expression you have by declaring two official languages, how they can and cannot be used, by who, when, where...
Without even getting into the way it seems it took Canada until the 1980's to write down some of the things the United States wrote down in 1790's, I find it... interesting how much power the British crown and aristocracy still has in Canada's government.