Actually, he would have had to if he has the bash prompt available to him (unless he used the unix environment for Netware), I guess
Personally, I wonder how he does it. We are a Netware shop here and we have lots of problems with stability. We don't run any of our applications in protected memory space (yet)... I can't imagine how it would be that stable without doing that.
Riiiight. I work in an almost all MS shop, and if everything suddenly started working seamlessly, I'd have a friggin' heart attack.
You're an 'almost' all MS shop!? Well, it must be the small amount of non-MS software in your environment which is causing all the problems. If you were a FULL MS shop, on the other hand...
Actually the 'sniff test' doesn't hold up either, in my experience. I worked at a grocery store for a little more than 3 years (both days and nights) and we caught way more adult shoplifters than we did adolescents.
The 'adults' in my company throw their fair share of tantrums as well and can't stop fighting both people in their department and those outside of it. There probably aren't as many fistfights though.:)
ZENworks for Desktops manages Group Policies and extensible policies (older policies on win9x)
Its core functionality includes Application Management, Imaging Services, Remote Control, Inventory and Workstation Management -- all policy-based and manageable through NDS/eDirectory.
I won't go into ZENworks for Servers, Handhelds, Linux Management, Patch Management, etc. that the full suite offers...
The software you are referring to is ZENworks. That is only one of many ways to do it (here we deploy the application before we give it to the user. When giving them new applications, they will be installed automatically during the next NAL refresh)
licensing GPL software requires you to contribute back to the pool of open source software from which you benefited.
So what happens to your competitive edge if you're forced to give out the secrets behind your product?
If that was a concern, they should have evaluated the license before using the code released under the GPL.
The problem with that conclusion is that Cisco didn't build the house.
I didn't build my house either, but I wouldn't be happy if RMS & crew tried to strongarm me into burning it down.
Tough shit. They knew what they were getting into when they used GPL code. If they didn't, then that's Cisco/Linksys/Broadcom's problem not the community or the FSF's.
Their $129 device, of which they have sold 400,000 units of, would have cost much more, and taken much longer to develop and get to market if they hadn't leveraged the free software provided by thousands of volunteers over the past ten years.
Where's your proof?
No proof. Common sense. The cost and time involved is a point of debate, but it can't be trivial. If it were, why didn't they develop their own software or license it from someone else?
Is it too much to ask that they make a small contribution of software back to the community, which provided them with software that allowed them to make millions of dollars?
You call disclosing your product secrets a small contribution? I call it freely distributing the technology behind your product's distinct characteristics directly to your competition
They have an interesting method of protection trade secrets (ie. placing them in publicly viewable code under a free license which requires contributions and modifications to the code be distributed with the binaries)
Also, keep in mind that code released under the GPL *remains* GPL code. This means anytime the competition makes use of this code and further modifies it to their own ends they must ALSO distribute the modifications.
Windows 98 OEM isn't supported by Microsoft either. For some reason, 98 SE is. Go figure. I don't care if Microsoft officially offers patches or support for it but what REALLY pisses me off is when developers prevent applications from installing on Windows 98 OEM machines (we have a bunch of win98 oem machines at work which do the job fine) There is no good reason why they shouldn't actually WORK on Windows 98 OEM they just prevent the application from being installed.
The ones i've found: Windows Media Player 9 Novell ZENworks for Desktops Management Agent (this REALLY sucks since we're deploying ZFD at our company) Acrobat Reader 6 Solidworks 2003 Viewer
I'm sure there are many others. A disturbing trend, to be sure. There is actually a workaround to get the ZFDMA working on 98 OEM machines without using the installer, but it's an ugly hack and can't really be automated.
Novell's claims are merely "an attempt to make itself relevant and to look like they're still a top-tier player," Yankee Group analyst Laura DiDio told NewsFactor. She said that SCO's claim of owning the full copyright to Unix has merit.
The decision by famed attorney David Boise to represent SCO in its lawsuit against IBM lends credence to its case, according to DiDio. "He doesn't have to take this on for publicity's sake," she pointed out. "It's safe to say he wouldn't be touching this thing if he didn't think it had merit."
Furthermore, "the fact that Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT - news) immediately signed up and licensed [Unix] from SCO" also adds credibility, she said. Microsoft's licensing agreement with SCO could also be seen as "a shot across IBM's bow," DiDio added.
Wow, she sure sounds unbiased. It sounds to me like she had already made up her fucking mind before she had even seen the so-called 'proof'
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Our network is Novell, our e-mail is groupwise, and we don't use Cisco products.
That's great and everything, but the guy who really has his hands on the reins of the products' direction is VP Chris Stone. He has already mentioned many times in interviews that he wants Novell to focus on being services-oriented rather than a "Network Operating Systems" company and the adoption of Linux looks to be a step in that direction.
Is it by chance that NVIDIA and Gateway are funneling money into SoE? I don't think so. There is no other way to explain why my GeForce2MX 200 32 MB runs better than my Radeon 8500 64 MB *only* in EverQuest.
Bad example. The EQ engine was originally designed for first-generation 3D cards (specifically the 3dfx voodoo 1/2 series with Glide) It's not too surprising that anomalies like that exist.
I see.... the P3 never had any heat issues beyond 1 GHz whatsoever, even though they recalled the 1.13 GHz due to exactly that reason (this was BEFORE the Tualatin/0.13 micron shrink)
Seriously...
Now the biggest problem with your filth is that Hammer specs aren't out. system integrators need thermal information to make designs. And when Dell and friends get the thermal data, along with everyone else, then you can talk about what kind of heat output AMD-64 will have.
No shit. Didn't you even read my post? I said there was no definitive answer to his question... oh, never mind. We've been down this road before and all i'll get is more babble and garbage posts laden with personal insults i've already heard from you a million times before which were taken right out of some Elementary school playground.
Grow up. Seriously. It's been a month. A fucking MONTH and you still haven't gotten the point yet. I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU. Get a life! Do something productive instead of wasting time spewing crap and typing shit nobody is interested in reading anyway.
From all these I sincerly prefer Netware. Netware is far better and manageable than any other file server system. Naturally as Novell did it specially for file servers. However there is a problem with Novell. Its prices are prohibitive for many customers. But, if your work highly depends in file server services, surely the TCO is far lower than everyone else.
This is exactly why I feel that Linux is simply not ready to be used as the core NOS on a large network. It's all about managing NETWORKS, not servers. Server-centric operating systems are good for specialized tasks like web serving or applications, but for larger companies with multiple physical locations it just doesn't cut it.
Our company runs Netware as our core NOS. We have Linux servers set up as mrtg servers to monitor and trend network traffic (among other things) and soon will be used in Intranet and Firewall boxen. But if we were to replace Netware and go all Linux/*BSD our IT operating costs would go through the roof. This is because there is no way to easily administer network resources under Linux like you can with Netware (via NDS) or even Windows 2000 (via MADS)
This is exactly what i'm talking about. Network-centric Operating Systems are the present and if Linux want to gain acceptance in the enterprise they will need to abandon the "flat" server-centric model. A powerful, scalable, open-source Directory Service (and I don't mean LDAP) would be a great start...
Will the processors run cooler than the current 32 bit offerings from AMD?
I don't think anyone has a definitive answer for that question. However, you have to remember that the Athlon is an older part which is nearing the end of its life... Intel faced the same situation with the Pentium III beyond 1 GHz.
Silicon-On-Insulator (SOI) technology, which will debut with Opteron/Clawhammer, is supposed to reduce heat by around 15%
So one day I was sitting in my home-[censored due to patent infringement], counting my [censored] when all of the sudden I read this story on Slashdot telling me that my science [censored] infringes on their intellectual property rights. Obviously Microsofts lawyers [censored] in finding new ways to annoy people.
This story is stupid on so many levels, but I can't think of an adequate [censored] to describe it...
Of course, it may be that both the People and the "Software Choice" group of mega-corps both favor the use of proprietary software in government.
I didn't recognize many of the names on the members list. I noticed Cisco, Intel, Stardock and (of course) M$, but what about Sun? What about Oracle? Novell? IBM?
After doing a little bit of research, i've noticed that many of the companies on the members list are simply system integrators, consultants and web companies -- very few large companies and not many developers either, which is... odd.
In addition to their current financial problems, just 5 days ago, AMD converted $300m of debt into stock [forbes.com], which will hurt their economic standing in the future, and by extension, the present (the news left AMD's stock in shambles at $5.90).
AMD's stock has climbed since then, however, and the stock is valued at over $7.00
Usually support for newer cards is built into the driver sets before the actual hardware is released. That's the case for the Windows version, so hopefully there will be a build for Linux available which supports NV30 by the time it comes out.
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That was... perhaps the most unintelligible thing i've read in a while.
I'm sure you'll write another novel in response, but you became predictable about 3 posts ago and this is getting really really old.
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Haha... dude, I have a technical certification, dumbass (CNE 4.11/5, BTW) and I have an IT job at a large company. What's that about judging books by their covers?
A Windoze brat... running Debian Linux 3. Yeah, ok. You're "insightful" Have fun with your regular accounts. You're still a Troll, thus by definition "a lower form of life" and guilty of most of the things you've said about me already.
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"Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net"
In other words - KMA.
In all seriousness - why don't you idiots get off the fucking board (no, that means leave... I don't literally mean get off on while reading/. which you probably do anyway)... you are boils on the asses of life, your only purpose here is seemingly to demonstrate how fucking retarded you are.
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you must not have "upgraded" to netware 6.5 then
... I can't imagine how it would be that stable without doing that.
Actually, he would have had to if he has the bash prompt available to him (unless he used the unix environment for Netware), I guess
Personally, I wonder how he does it. We are a Netware shop here and we have lots of problems with stability. We don't run any of our applications in protected memory space (yet)
You're an 'almost' all MS shop!? Well, it must be the small amount of non-MS software in your environment which is causing all the problems. If you were a FULL MS shop, on the other hand ...
Actually the 'sniff test' doesn't hold up either, in my experience. I worked at a grocery store for a little more than 3 years (both days and nights) and we caught way more adult shoplifters than we did adolescents.
:)
The 'adults' in my company throw their fair share of tantrums as well and can't stop fighting both people in their department and those outside of it. There probably aren't as many fistfights though.
ZENworks for Desktops manages Group Policies and extensible policies (older policies on win9x)
Its core functionality includes Application Management, Imaging Services, Remote Control, Inventory and Workstation Management -- all policy-based and manageable through NDS/eDirectory.
I won't go into ZENworks for Servers, Handhelds, Linux Management, Patch Management, etc. that the full suite offers...
You could get a Google Groups account and do much of the same things (unless using a web browser to read Usenet groups bothers you)
The software you are referring to is ZENworks. That is only one of many ways to do it (here we deploy the application before we give it to the user. When giving them new applications, they will be installed automatically during the next NAL refresh)
So what happens to your competitive edge if you're forced to give out the secrets behind your product?
If that was a concern, they should have evaluated the license before using the code released under the GPL.
The problem with that conclusion is that Cisco didn't build the house.
I didn't build my house either, but I wouldn't be happy if RMS & crew tried to strongarm me into burning it down.
Tough shit. They knew what they were getting into when they used GPL code. If they didn't, then that's Cisco/Linksys/Broadcom's problem not the community or the FSF's.
Their $129 device, of which they have sold 400,000 units of, would have cost much more, and taken much longer to develop and get to market if they hadn't leveraged the free software provided by thousands of volunteers over the past ten years.
Where's your proof?
No proof. Common sense. The cost and time involved is a point of debate, but it can't be trivial. If it were, why didn't they develop their own software or license it from someone else?
Is it too much to ask that they make a small contribution of software back to the community, which provided them with software that allowed them to make millions of dollars?
You call disclosing your product secrets a small contribution? I call it freely distributing the technology behind your product's distinct characteristics directly to your competition
They have an interesting method of protection trade secrets (ie. placing them in publicly viewable code under a free license which requires contributions and modifications to the code be distributed with the binaries)
Also, keep in mind that code released under the GPL *remains* GPL code. This means anytime the competition makes use of this code and further modifies it to their own ends they must ALSO distribute the modifications.
Windows 98 OEM isn't supported by Microsoft either. For some reason, 98 SE is. Go figure. I don't care if Microsoft officially offers patches or support for it but what REALLY pisses me off is when developers prevent applications from installing on Windows 98 OEM machines (we have a bunch of win98 oem machines at work which do the job fine) There is no good reason why they shouldn't actually WORK on Windows 98 OEM they just prevent the application from being installed.
The ones i've found:
Windows Media Player 9
Novell ZENworks for Desktops Management Agent (this REALLY sucks since we're deploying ZFD at our company)
Acrobat Reader 6
Solidworks 2003 Viewer
I'm sure there are many others. A disturbing trend, to be sure. There is actually a workaround to get the ZFDMA working on 98 OEM machines without using the installer, but it's an ugly hack and can't really be automated.
Novell's claims are merely "an attempt to make itself relevant and to look like they're still a top-tier player," Yankee Group analyst Laura DiDio told NewsFactor. She said that SCO's claim of owning the full copyright to Unix has merit.
The decision by famed attorney David Boise to represent SCO in its lawsuit against IBM lends credence to its case, according to DiDio. "He doesn't have to take this on for publicity's sake," she pointed out. "It's safe to say he wouldn't be touching this thing if he didn't think it had merit." Furthermore, "the fact that Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT - news) immediately signed up and licensed [Unix] from SCO" also adds credibility, she said. Microsoft's licensing agreement with SCO could also be seen as "a shot across IBM's bow," DiDio added.
Wow, she sure sounds unbiased. It sounds to me like she had already made up her fucking mind before she had even seen the so-called 'proof'
Aaah yes... "Security through obsolescence".
Using that logic, Unix is also insecure.
That's great and everything, but the guy who really has his hands on the reins of the products' direction is VP Chris Stone. He has already mentioned many times in interviews that he wants Novell to focus on being services-oriented rather than a "Network Operating Systems" company and the adoption of Linux looks to be a step in that direction.
Bad example. The EQ engine was originally designed for first-generation 3D cards (specifically the 3dfx voodoo 1/2 series with Glide) It's not too surprising that anomalies like that exist.
Die for oil, suckers!
Seriously...
Now the biggest problem with your filth is that Hammer specs aren't out. system integrators need thermal information to make designs. And when Dell and friends get the thermal data, along with everyone else, then you can talk about what kind of heat output AMD-64 will have.
No shit. Didn't you even read my post? I said there was no definitive answer to his question... oh, never mind. We've been down this road before and all i'll get is more babble and garbage posts laden with personal insults i've already heard from you a million times before which were taken right out of some Elementary school playground.
Grow up. Seriously. It's been a month. A fucking MONTH and you still haven't gotten the point yet. I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU. Get a life! Do something productive instead of wasting time spewing crap and typing shit nobody is interested in reading anyway.
This is exactly why I feel that Linux is simply not ready to be used as the core NOS on a large network. It's all about managing NETWORKS, not servers. Server-centric operating systems are good for specialized tasks like web serving or applications, but for larger companies with multiple physical locations it just doesn't cut it.
Our company runs Netware as our core NOS. We have Linux servers set up as mrtg servers to monitor and trend network traffic (among other things) and soon will be used in Intranet and Firewall boxen. But if we were to replace Netware and go all Linux/*BSD our IT operating costs would go through the roof. This is because there is no way to easily administer network resources under Linux like you can with Netware (via NDS) or even Windows 2000 (via MADS)
This is exactly what i'm talking about. Network-centric Operating Systems are the present and if Linux want to gain acceptance in the enterprise they will need to abandon the "flat" server-centric model. A powerful, scalable, open-source Directory Service (and I don't mean LDAP) would be a great start ...
I don't think anyone has a definitive answer for that question. However, you have to remember that the Athlon is an older part which is nearing the end of its life... Intel faced the same situation with the Pentium III beyond 1 GHz.
Silicon-On-Insulator (SOI) technology, which will debut with Opteron/Clawhammer, is supposed to reduce heat by around 15%
If it's Open Source, they obviously can't prevent you from modifying it ... :)
So one day I was sitting in my home-[censored due to patent infringement], counting my [censored] when all of the sudden I read this story on Slashdot telling me that my science [censored] infringes on their intellectual property rights. Obviously Microsofts lawyers [censored] in finding new ways to annoy people.
...
This story is stupid on so many levels, but I can't think of an adequate [censored] to describe it
I didn't recognize many of the names on the members list. I noticed Cisco, Intel, Stardock and (of course) M$, but what about Sun? What about Oracle? Novell? IBM?
After doing a little bit of research, i've noticed that many of the companies on the members list are simply system integrators, consultants and web companies -- very few large companies and not many developers either, which is ... odd.
AMD's stock has climbed since then, however, and the stock is valued at over $7.00
Read into it what you will.
So do they plan on making everyone watch really bad movies on this trip?
Usually support for newer cards is built into the driver sets before the actual hardware is released. That's the case for the Windows version, so hopefully there will be a build for Linux available which supports NV30 by the time it comes out.
That was ... perhaps the most unintelligible thing i've read in a while.
I'm sure you'll write another novel in response, but you became predictable about 3 posts ago and this is getting really really old.
Haha ... dude, I have a technical certification, dumbass (CNE 4.11/5, BTW) and I have an IT job at a large company. What's that about judging books by their covers?
A Windoze brat... running Debian Linux 3. Yeah, ok. You're "insightful" Have fun with your regular accounts. You're still a Troll, thus by definition "a lower form of life" and guilty of most of the things you've said about me already.
"Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net"
/. which you probably do anyway) ... you are boils on the asses of life, your only purpose here is seemingly to demonstrate how fucking retarded you are.
In other words - KMA.
In all seriousness - why don't you idiots get off the fucking board (no, that means leave... I don't literally mean get off on while reading
So like, fuck off or something.