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Bruce Perens Canned by HP

bmarklein writes "Bruce Perens has been fired by HP for "Microsoft-baiting". This was linked in part to the HP-Compaq merger, since Windows is now a much bigger part of HP's business."

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  1. Microsoft's dominance by DamnYankee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This shows the reach and depth of fear that Microsoft's monopoly can instill in even the biggest and baddest companies on the planet.

    I doubt that this came from a purely internal HP-Compaq decision. The forces that be in Redmond probably played a role.

    What is Bruce on to next?

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    1. Re:Microsoft's dominance by cioxx · · Score: 5, Funny
      What is Bruce on to next?

      Lets hope he joins Dell.

      Dude, You're Getting a Job!
    2. Re:Microsoft's dominance by rknop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This shows the reach and depth of fear that Microsoft's monopoly can instill in even the biggest and baddest companies on the planet.

      How? You think MS told them to fire Perens?

      How about this for a try. HPQ makes millions and millions selling Windows only things. MILLIONS. They probably lose money on their Linux divison- but even if they are profitable, its not to the degree (because of scale for sure) of the Windows division.

      You go on to answer your own "how". Microsoft doesn't have to have Bill call up Carly and say "fire that Perens bastard" to have a bully-like dominance that causes other companies to dance to its tune. The very fact that Windows is so dominant and that Microsoft is so huge is what prevents true competition from getting a foothold. Microsoft doesn't need bully tactics, they can just carry on like a normal monopoly and everybody will feel bullied anyway. (Of course, we know that Microsoft does in fact use bully tactics; witness them telling Dell that Dell wasn't allowed to sell OS-less PCs.)

      -Rob

    3. Re:Microsoft's dominance by Bodrius · · Score: 5, Funny


      Yes, I'm sure Bill Gates personally has a black list in his office with the names of all Open Source advocates that have challenged his empire and every morning, at a strategic meeting with his closest advisors, he has a conversation like this:

      - Bill, we have successfully increased the revenue of the company by 20%. We expect this to bring the stockholders to the level of optimism they had before the recession.

      Bill: Yeah, yeah, whatever...

      - Bill, our deals with the media conglomerates regarding DRM are proceeding flawlessly, ensuring that we are unopposed to push for the PC as the consumer device that coordinates everyone's information-related activities, including entertainment.

      Bill: Sure. That's nice, I guess.

      - Bill, our marketing campaign for Web Services is being successful among developers. Soon they will be tied to our standards and companies will have to consider Windows servers seriously for their large-scale network services.

      Bill: What's wrong with you people? Is this what I pay you for?!

      Silence.

      Bill: Ok, who can answer the really important question? How close am I to fulfilling my personal vendetta against the Open Source Linux geeks? How many did we get fired today?

      - I called HP yesterday morning. We got Bruce Perens fired.

      Bill: Geek #427? EXCELLENT!

      Bill takes list, draws little check mark on "#427 Bruce Perens" entry.

      Bill: Ok. According to my list, "#428 Billy Tempherton" is next. He's a Linux administrator for a community college in Iowa that posted something about me being evil and Windows crashing his computer, at that Slashdot site in 1999...

      - We're working on it, Sir!

      Bill: Good! Meeting dismissed! I have to go to Slashdot and see who posted something against me today...

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    4. Re:Microsoft's dominance by ryanvm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The very fact that Windows is so dominant and that Microsoft is so huge is what prevents true competition from getting a foothold. Microsoft doesn't need bully tactics, they can just carry on like a normal monopoly and everybody will feel bullied anyway.

      Just to be the devils advocate (saying that is how you keep from getting modded as a troll around here) - did you ever consider that perhaps Perens' MS bashing was hurting HPQ's bottom line?

      HPQ probably makes 1000x times more selling MS-loaded computers than Linux-loaded systems. Perens running around telling everyone how insecure MS software is probably doesn't help them move those MS-loaded systems now does it?

      Who knows, if Perens had spent less time MS bashing and more time evangelizing open source maybe he'd still be at HPQ.

  2. Fukk a Registration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Balancing Linux and Microsoft
    By STEVE LOHR

    For nearly two years, Bruce Perens was a senior strategist for open-source software at Hewlett-Packard -- an evangelist and rabble-rouser on behalf of a computing counterculture that is increasingly moving into the mainstream. Part of the job description, he was told, was to "challenge H.P. management."

    His last day as a Hewlett-Packard employee was 10 days ago. The parting was amicable, Mr. Perens said, but he was fired -- "officially a termination," he noted. "It came after a long, long warning," Mr. Perens explained. "The thing that I did that was most hazardous for H.P. is the Microsoft-baiting I tend to do."

    A spokeswoman for Hewlett-Packard declined to comment on Mr. Perens's departure, citing company policy against making public statements about why individual employees leave.
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    But, according to Mr. Perens, a handful of forces combined to make his exit from Hewlett-Packard inevitable. After it bought Compaq this year, the combined company became the largest single buyer of Windows for personal computers and data-serving computers, and thus more dependent on Microsoft. A rising threat to Microsoft is GNU Linux, an operating system distributed free and developed using the open-source model in which communities of programmers donate their labor to debug, modify and otherwise improve the code.

    After the merger with Compaq, Hewlett also became the largest vendor of Linux-based server computers, ahead of Dell Computer and I.B.M. Yet Hewlett's bet on Linux still pales compared with its reliance on Microsoft. And after the merger, it was mainly former Compaq executives who took senior positions overseeing the Linux business.

    In the premerger Hewlett, Mr. Perens, a leader in the open-source movement, enjoyed a lot of independence. When speaking to potential Hewlett customers on Wall Street and elsewhere, he would make the case for Linux, extolling it as a reliable and secure operating system that also allowed corporate customers to avoid being locked in to proprietary software like Microsoft's Windows or Sun Microsystems' Solaris.

    Mr. Perens did not have to make the pitch for Hewlett as supplier of choice for Linux-based servers, services or support. That chore fell to Hewlett's sales people. "It was a pretty unique job that existed because of the H.P. culture," Mr. Perens said. "I would still be at H.P., I think, except for the Compaq merger."

    Yet beyond the postmerger atmosphere at Hewlett, Mr. Perens also says that he had been taking a more outspoken stance against Microsoft recently. "Microsoft is out to crush Linux as a competitor," said Mr. Perens, who became truly galvanized after the emergence in May of a Microsoft-backed industry group, the Initiative for Software Choice. Besides the chip maker Intel, a close Microsoft ally, most of the other 20 or so members are smaller foreign companies or trade organizations.

    The software-choice group sees a threat in what it has identified as 66 legislative proposals, government statements and studies promoting open-source software in 25 countries, including Germany, Britain, China, Peru and Brazil. Some of those legislative proposals would require the use of open-source software in government, but most of the government steps are efforts to ensure there is an alternative to Microsoft in their critical software markets.

    The Microsoft-backed group says its purpose is to promote even-handed competition based on the merits of products, instead of a government bias for one kind of software. But as Mr. Perens sees it, the software-choice group has another agenda. "Its principles are nice-sounding words," he said, "but what they really say is, `Let's maintain the status quo.' "

    Mr. Perens has stepped in himself and started an effort to respond to the Microsoft-backed group. His initiative, called Sincere Choice, has its own Web site (www .sincerechoice.org), and its own set of principles. Mr. Perens asserts that governments could get huge cost savings and encourage the spread of open-source software by purchasing only software that operates well with other programs. Under his proposal, software companies would be required to supply software with open technology standards and open file formats that can be used by outside software developers, without having to pay royalties.

    "The royalty-free patent issue is crucial because the companies with huge software patent portfolios, especially Microsoft and I.B.M., have huge tolls booths on the Internet that can limit the spread of open-source software," Mr. Perens observed.

    Mr. Perens, 44, has regarded technology as a force for personal freedom since he was a teenager in the Long Island suburbs of New York. He was a ham radio enthusiast, ran a pirate radio station in Lido Beach, N.Y., and was briefly a "phone phreak," who could trick the telephone network into giving free long-distance calls.

    His introduction to computing came in college, when he worked at the radio station at the New York Institute of Technology in Old Westbury. Mr. Perens was a station manager, and one of his duties was to prepare the weekly logs of programs to be broadcast, as well as commercials. It was a job for a computer, he figured, and he taught himself the Basic computer language and wrote a program to handle the logs.

    The appeal of computing proved irresistible. "I got so involved in the computer that I didn't go to classes anymore," recalled Mr. Perens, who never got a college degree.

    Much of his considerable programming skills over the years since have been self-taught, a trait fueled by his early experience with formal education, when he was briefly misdiagnosed as mentally disabled (it was a motor-deficit problem that he soon outgrew). "All of this is about empowering the individual with technology," Mr. Perens said. "That has been a lifelong thrust."

    Mr. Perens eventually joined Pixar, where he worked for 12 years on hardware and software tools for the animators of "Toy Story," "Toy Story II" and "A Bug's Life." While working at Pixar, he became more deeply involved in the emerging open-source movement and with Linux.

    Having left Hewlett, he is talking to other companies about doing consulting work. "Open source doesn't mean you take a vow of poverty," Mr. Perens said.

    Yet Mr. Perens is also deeply committed to the values that he believes the open-source movement embody. "I'm sorry that I had to leave H.P., but I'm not going to shut up about my views," he said. "I'm not just going to sit back and be a quiet engineer. I have a two-year-old son and I don't want him to grow up in a world that is less free.

  3. Now that he has some free time... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hey Bruce, why not run for congress?

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    1. Re:Now that he has some free time... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Who modded me "funny"? I'm serious. The geek community desperately needs someone who "gets it" in Washington.

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    2. Re:Now that he has some free time... by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting
      One of the problems of running for office is that you have to represent all of the people, not just a single issue (OK, a bunch of technology and civil liberty issues). I haven't tried that yet. A congress person's job is pretty unpleasant, and Valerie hates the DC weather (she's comparing it to Northern California). But I don't rule out running for office in the future. For now, I get to Washington about once a month to lobby and give speeches.

      There is the small problem that I'm a registered democrat, and would be running against the most liberal people in congress if I stayed where I'm living, and I don't want to do that. For example, my congress person, Barbara Lee, is the only one to have voted against the war. Which leaves Senator Boxer, and I am not sure this is realistic. I am, by the way, a registered Democrat.

      Bruce

    3. Re:Now that he has some free time... by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I'm not sure I want to repeat Nader's history with the Greens. I like the Greens and the Libertarians, I work with those folks on issues, but I don't think that my promoting their individual parties should take precedence over my achieving actual change. That might happen better through a major party.

      Bruce

  4. Corporate economics by mwber · · Score: 5, Insightful

    HP needs a big cash inflow to survive. Microsoft currently supplies that. Linux currently doesn't. Case closed. Corporations tend to think of themselves of amoral money-making ventures, and often, with huge companies like HP, any overtures to supporting open source are simply PR moves. PR moves are usually less important than simple cash inflow. If the inflow is going to disrupted by PR (like Bruce Perens), they just chop it off.

    1. Re:Corporate economics by Bilestoad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Microsoft is the world's most profitable company because they ensure that their partners (who create machines that use Windows) survive. Microsoft wants everyone to survive so that there is always price war in the hardware sector. The more competitors there are the lower prices get. So yes, they make money by giving it away.

      Read joelonsoftware.com - he has an excellent article about the complements of products. Essentially, if you drive down the cost of a product's complement (as a PC is to Windows) you sell more and make more money. Another example, MP3 players sell like hot cakes because it's easy to get free music.

    2. Re:Corporate economics by mshiltonj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Corporations tend to think of themselves of amoral money-making ventures

      That's what they. We would *all* do well to never forget that. I like Red Hat, and I support them, but they *are* a corpration. So is VA Software.

      It is never advisable to place any trust in a corportion.

  5. Motivations. by Some+guy+named+Chris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I'm not just going to sit back and be a quiet engineer. I have a two-year-old son and I don't want him to grow up in a world that is less free." -- Bruce Perens (from the article)

    I once had someone I admired tell me that "You shouldn't live for anything you aren't willing to die for". I've tried to incorporate that in my decision processes. Clearly, Bruce believes his child, and his freedom is more worth living for than his job at HP.

    I get his motivation, I understand where he is coming from, and so, I can relate to him, and less readily dismiss him as a zealot, crackpot, or trouble maker, which is sadly the case with some other prominant free software advocates.

    So, Bruce, thanks. You have my respect, even if you haven't got a job.

    1. Re:Motivations. by killmenow · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Their responsibility is to their shareholders.
      I get so sick of hearing this. Here in America (don't know so much about how it is elsewhere) we are indoctrinated to believe a company's sole responsibility is to their shareholders. The only thing that matters is ROI for the shareholders, blah, blah, blah...

      It's bullshit on a grand scale. While companies do have a responsibility to their shareholders, they also have a greater responsibility to the world at large. But nobody wants to admit that because then all those morally questionable (if not outright unethical) activities designed to reward CEOs and the Board of Directors while fscking the employees, environment, and basically the rest of the world would no longer be "questionable" at all; and then they'd lose all their money and power.

      Just because companies in the US routinely act as though their only responsibility is to shareholders, it doesn't make it so.

      Now, before you go thinking I'm a leftist nutbag liberal socialist <insert label here>, I understand and agree that companies are usually formed for the intended purpose of making a profit. That's all well and good, and making a profit is a wonderful motivator. There's nothing wrong with profit.

      I'm just saying the belief that companies have no responsibilities to anyone other than their shareholders is wrong and a company whose sole purpose is to make a profit is incorporated for the wrong reason. It's unfortunate, but I believe the mantra of the modern American CEO (as said best by Daffy Duck) is:
    2. Re:Motivations. by mvdwege · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On the other hand, a point I was trying to make in another post in this discussion, is that it's about integrity.

      A company may try to do the best for its shareholders, but the point is that they don't realise that integrity is actually good for the shareholders.

      A lack of integrity will earn you the distrust of the market, and that is bad for the company, and bad for the stock price. In fact, it is my personal opinion that the current low consumer confidence in the U.S. (remember that consumer spending drives the U.S. economy) is due to low corporate integrity.

      HP/Compaq touting their support for Linux on the one hand, and firing a major advocate on the other shows their lack of integrity, and is ultimately damaging for the company. They better hope Microsoft is good for them, because that's all they'll be left with if they continue on this path.

      Mart
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    3. Re:Motivations. by pos · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hear, Hear!

      A good way for you to point this out to others is to mention that governments give corporations the permission to be corporations, on the presumption that they will benefit the society. The people who run the corp. get protections not allowed for individuals. In exchange, society at large can and should expect that corporation to benefit society.

      For most corporations (especially lately) society has only asked for economic growth from them. It is entirely understandable that a company would forget or try to minimize their other obligations (federal government, irs, state government, SEC, etc..) Especially since the people's voice to businesses is largely through the government and courts which are themselves often swayed by money.

      Bravo for calling out this oft-quoted fallacy for what it is.

      -pos

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  6. Office politics are more important than business? by mvdwege · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...or integrity for that matter?

    Funny. Compaq (now HP) is running large ads in the trade press touting that they were the first major company to support Linux and Open Source.

    Now they fire a major advocate? Sounds like the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.

    Oh, wait, that's what those corporate types mean that a merger brings synergies and the opportunity to eliminate redundancies.

    Well, so far HP/Compaq sounds like a typical merged company: the power politics of the officers of the originating companies are more important than anything else. They'll either spend 5 years trying to get their shop integrated (meanwhile facing dwindling market share), or they'll undo the merger, with the usual corporatespeak (divestiture, focusing on core business, spinning off unprofitable divisions) that all come down to 'we screwed up; please don't hurt us!'.

    </cynism>

    Mart
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  7. Pay his home a visit by jsse · · Score: 4, Informative

    here

    "I am no longer with Hewlett-Packard. If your company would like to use my expertise in forming an Open Source policy and processes, or operating a relationship with the Open Source developer community, please contact me."

  8. thinking matters by tanveer1979 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    " I have a two-year-old son and I don't want him to grow up in a world that is less free."

    If more people thought this way, the world would really be more freer.

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  9. tells us a lot about HP by g4dget · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Companies like IBM have a large contingent of people that loathe Microsoft and aren't afraid to speak out about it, yet IBM seems to be able to deal with both Microsoft and its customers just fine, and IBM is able to deliver a wide variety of systems. In fact, from a customer's point of view this is good: if a company has Windows, UNIX, mainframe, and open source people inside it, it is much more likely that advice and recommendations from the company will be based on technical considerations, rather than whatever is available. With a company that only bets on Microsoft, you already know the answer to any of your questions is going to be "Microsoft", whether that makes sense or not.

    If HP is so threatened by a single person like Perens, they must really be in deep trouble. Apparently, The New HP is trying hard to become The New Unisys. Too bad--DEC and HP used to be nice companies. Compaq just keeps eating up one company after another, digesting them, well, and you know what comes out the other end.

  10. Re:Bruce says... by YanceyAI · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The article doesn' say HP's getting rid of all the Linux guys. It just says they fired him. Also, he doesn't claim that HP has lost interest in Linux, he says he was warned numerous times about Microsoft-baiting.

    What makes me nervous is that Microsoft might have threatened HP in some way as a partner. They obviously wouldn't want a partner promoting their product with internal factions insulting it. For that matter, HP 's argument might be that it's hard to sale your product, loaded with Windows, when you have vocal employees talking about security and usabiltiy problems.

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  11. That's funny, but... by sphealey · · Score: 4, Interesting
    That's one of the funniest posting I have read in a while! Thanks.

    But... you are being naive if you think the list you describe in your parody doesn't exist. I have been in meetings (not in the computer industry, but the principle is the same) where such things are discussed. Every successful business does indeed do that sort of thing. Given the threat that Linux poses to Microsoft's revenue stream, it would be foolish of them not to hold such discussions.

    sPh

  12. Completely backwards! by wind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After it bought Compaq this year, the combined company became the largest single buyer of Windows for personal computers and data-serving computers, and thus more dependent on Microsoft.

    Am I the only one who thinks this is just ass-backward from the way you'd expect things to be in an open market? So, HP/Compaq becomes MS's biggest customer. Back in the olden days, it would mean that *MS* would quake in fear and bend over backwards not to piss off their biggest client, lest they lose their business. Nowadays, it appears to mean that HP/Compaq needs to be careful lest they upset their vendor.

    It's ridiculous. And, frankly, it should stop. Too bad short-term shareholder value has to take precedence over long-term strategic planning (like finding a way to get out from underneath MS's thumb).

  13. Hi by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
    Well, I guess "being fired" gets news - but I would rather the article was just about me and not about HP. Besides, everybody knew I was leaving due to the two articles here previously, and it really was an amicable parting.

    Bruce

    1. Re:Hi by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I do not get royalties or residuals. I did get some stock, which I used to pay for my home. So, I was out of the stock market when it crashed, thank goodness, and don't have the debt load of most people like me. I am not rich, sorry.

      Bruce

    2. Re:Hi by Oink.NET · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hmm... does anyone else wonder if the real reason Bruce was fired is because he couldn't stop reading Slashdot at work?

  14. Re:Non-sequitor by madfgurtbn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If I moved from n to 1 on the list of a vendor's customers, why wouldn't I see increased leverage with my vendor?

    The merger was bitterly fought and hard won by Carly Fiorina vs the old guard of the company. It got ugly and personal. Fiorina is under extreme scrutiny and pressure to show that it was a good idea to buy CPQ. If HP management perceives that there could be any problems with M$, even if there isn't really a threat, they have to do something, because they cannot afford any missteps with Compaq.

    So, to answer your question, even if HPQ theoretically has more leverage with M$, management is not in a position to use that leverage because they cannot afford to be seen as battling M$.

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  15. Backwards... by MrWa · · Score: 5, Insightful
    After it bought Compaq this year, the combined company became the largest single buyer of Windows for personal computers and data-serving computers, and thus more dependent on Microsoft


    Does this not seem wrong to anyone else? Sense when does the supplier dictate the terms and not the largest customer? This, more than anything else I think, demonstrates that Microsoft has gone from being a viable solution for decent software to a company that needs to be reigned in.


    The problem now, though, is that market forces will have to accomplish this. We already know that the government is incapable of stopping Microsoft from doing what it wants. Short of breaking the company into two or three parts, things will continue the way they are.

  16. Re:hmmmm....somehow I am not realy sure about that by TheGreek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not possible to argue against Linux? Not to be an ass or anything, but FreeBSD is just as malleable as Linux, and has the bonus of not falling under the syphilis of software licenses.

    Please cite examples where competent Windows administrators who kept up with Windows patches were stymied by a Windows problem that kept mission-critical systems down.

    For every example you provide, counter-examples can be found for Linux. The VM upheaval in early 2.4 (so-called "stable" series). The ext2fs corruption in early 2.2 (once again, so-called "stable" series).

    Anybody with blind faith to The One True Operating System doesn't understand very much about computing at all. Yes, Linux is malleable to the point of silliness, but why make a new hammer out of clay when Microsoft and IBM already have steel hammers that are have a much longer, and more proven, track record?

  17. Popups by xant · · Score: 5, Funny
    [. . . ] citing company policy against making public statements about why individual employees leave.
    Advertisement

    But, according [. . .]


    If all of our advertisements were like this, I don't think I'd even bother with blocking popups.

    Now, I must go buy something at random.
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  18. Re:Free market, anyone? by jefu · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It is often said :

    "A corporation has no soul to damn and no body to kick" (variously "kill", "punish").

    This comes from the Baron Thurlow, the Lord Chancellor of England in the 1700's and as far as I can tell (http://www.xrefer.com) the full and correct quote is :

    "Corporations have neither bodies to be punished, nor souls to be condemned, they therefore do as they like."

    Or you might prefer this from Ambrose Bierce :

    "Corporation: an ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility."

    More at http://www.endgame.org/primer-quotes.html. These quotes (naturally) apply to HP, to MS, to Dell, Red Hat and so on

  19. Re:Non-sequitor by sphealey · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't get it. If I moved from n to 1 on the list of a vendor's customers, why wouldn't I see increased leverage with my vendor?
    You are living on a space station. You purchase your oxygen from the largest oxygen vendor. He is in fact the only one big enough to supply the needs of the majority of those souls you are responsible for. You are also the oxygen vendor's largest customer.

    What happens if you get into a dispute with the oxygen vendor and threaten to cut off your purchases? If worse comes to worst and you do stop buying from him, he might go bankrupt. On the other hand he might not - there are a lot of people who need to breathe. You on the other hand will certainly die.

    That's the problem the OEMs face when dealing with Microsoft.

    sPh

  20. Re:Non-sequitor by analog_line · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's more a measure of the influence that the incoming Compaq people are having on HP. Compaq, overall, was staunchly a pro-Microsoft computer maker, far more than HP ever was. Compaq's lifeblood was machines running Windows 2000. HP had other irons in the fire, and could deal with a more tepid relationship.

    When I was working there as a consultant, pro-Microsoft propaganda was everywhere. Sure, there were plenty of Linux people working there, but it was really under the radar. Microsoft was the party line and woe to anyone who would challenge that too vocally. Yeah, Compaq didn't mind if Linux ran on their machines, but they didn't really put a whole lot of effort into it. IIRC, Microsoft bought an obscene number of Compaq machines during the time I was there. There was also a massive Windows 2000 migration push at the time, which may have been related to it.

    I've posted regarding this before, but I think it bears restatement. There are an AWFUL lot of strong personalities in what used to be Compaq, hardened by a bitter internal war during the days after the Digital merger. Large caliber bullets didn't fly, but there was a whole lot of political fallout, even when I was there long after the merger (for about a year, from summer 2000 to summer 2001 before the consultancy I worked for laid me off). The "HP Way", as laid back as it's projected to be, I believe, cannot stand up to the hardened take-no-prisoners warriors at Compaq. Sure, alot of people at Compaq are going to get laid off, but sometimes you have to sacrifice your own men in a battle to win a war, and I would bet that's how the Compaq people see it, a war to save their way of doing things, and in the end, their personal employment.

  21. In other news... by GeneralEmergency · · Score: 4, Funny


    Yesterday, Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett-Packard, came out in support of the 1633 house arrest of Galileo Galilei during an address to industry executives.

    "Pope Urban the Eighth had every right to do this.", Ms. Fiorina exclaimed. "Mr. Galilei knew that this 'Sun belongs in the Center' heresy was dangerous stuff and he should have known better than to go around spouting off about it. If I were Pope, I would have canned his ass much, much sooner."

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  22. Code Red virus and "keeping up with patches" by alienmole · · Score: 5, Informative
    The worst outage I've ever seen amongst my clients, on any OS, was when the Code Red virus infected entire networks, often including servers. It turns out that "keeping up with patches" with Microsoft is a recursive process, and servers can easily "regress" to an unpatched state. In more than one case I saw, servers had been fully patched, but later after some new software was installed, a service pack had to be reapplied, but this was done without reapplying all the security patches. Voila, a secure server regresses to insecure. Now, you can argue that "competent Windows administrators" would not do this, but in real life, all sorts of things happen which make perfection unrealistic. Part of a good security system is having multiple layers of security, so that if there's a lapse or break at one level, other levels prevent disaster. One of those levels is the level or reliability of the OS itself - and "reliability" is something that Windows has had great difficulty achieving.

    Another example of ongoing Windows instability was the IIS 4 server on NT 4, which leaked memory something horrible when ASP was used, resulting in busy sites needing to restart services and/or reboot servers every few hours in order to keep websites running. For some time, Microsoft ran a private mailing list ("ASPPrivate", iirc) for users experiencing this problem - mostly large website customers. I'm not sure when this was fixed, if ever - I think that Win2K and IIS5 came out before the problem was ever fixed on IIS4, and Microsoft's strategy for addressing customer concerns was simply to stall for many months and then tell customers to upgrade their OS.

    Anyone who tries to hold up Microsoft OSes as comparable to Linux, or any Unix variant, in terms of stability and reliability, probably has no experience of *nix, stability, or reliability.

    Another issue, perhaps not as major, is uptime. Windows still requires reboots if you look at it funny - even 2000 and XP. At sites I deal with that have a mixed server population, I regularly see *nix servers with uptimes in the hundreds of days, where the Win servers are lucky to have a couple of months of uptime.

  23. The devolution of HP by jmichaelg · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This appears to be yet another step in the devolution of HP. HP used to be a world leader in so many areas - calculators, printers, computers, cpus, medical equipment, lab equipment, etc.

    However, since the founders died, the company looks to have been taken over by managers who are primarily interested in their paycheck, not the well being of the company. For example, one of the driving factors behind the Compaq merger was the fact that Carly got a $70 Million bonus check if the merger went through. Lord knows what she would have earned had the Price-Waterhouse acquisition taken place.

    The corporate logo "HP Invent," alludes to an inventive spirit at HP but unfortunately, that spirit is the spirit of HP-past. I've seen exactly one interesting idea come out of HP in the past 2 years and that was a cooling device - not something that'll generate billions in sales. Carly was a History major at Stanford so she's obviously got some smarts. But they're the wrong kind - she doesn't have the technological background to recognize really good technical ideas when she sees them and so must rely on her staff to evaluate them for her. The inevitable "what does she want to hear?" filtering takes place and in that process and HP is all the poorer for it.

    The next time the HP board goes looking for a new CEO (like in the next 18 months maybe...), hopefully they'll choose someone who not only has some sales smarts but is also technologically competent. And perhaps, if they've learned anything, the compensation plan will reflect the CEO's effect on HP's bottom line, not how many pointless mergers the CEO steers the company through.