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Slashback brings you word on open courseware, The Big Switch as seen by Tim O'Reilly, another update on the man-made "moon," more on the in-progress clampdown on Chinese Internet searchers, and a disheartening note about hard drive warranties. Get 'em before they disappear completely ;) Read on for the details.

But will they distribute diploma blanks as PDF files? perlmunger writes "Linux Journal highlighted this in the 'up front' section of the June 2001 issue (I knew I keep these old issues around for a reason). Apparently, MIT will (finally) be opening their Open Course Ware initiative on September 30th to the public. Looks like a great start from many departments."

Answer: it's a strong possibility. skinfitz writes "Following on from Google returning to China, New Scientist is reporting in this article that Chinese surfers searching Google are finding their Internet connection dropped for five minutes if they enter "politically sensitive" keywords, such as the Chinese president's name! Will this new technology find uses elsewhere? Is this the future of the web?"

My human transporter is still a station wagon. An anonymous reader writes with the text which by now many people have seen regarding the status of the world's most famous unavailable scooter; apparently it's not necessarily as far from available as an automated message from Amazon implied.

"Greetings from Amazon.com.

You recently received an e-mail from us regarding the Segway Human Transporter (also known as "Ginger" or "IT"). This e-mail was sent accidentally by an automated system and the information in it is incorrect.

In fact, there is no new information on Segway's availability. Consumer versions of Segway Human Transporters are currently being piloted in various communities throughout the U.S. The Segway HT is expected to be released to the general consumer market in 2003.

We apologize for the confusion. We will keep your e-mail address on our list of customers who wish to be notified about this item.

Sincerely,
Amazon.com Customer Service

Strong Opinions softsign writes "Apparently, Tim O'Reilly's recent article addressing the topic of Switchers was so popular and generated so much response that he felt compelled to respond to reader comments in his MacDevCenter column this week. It reads almost like the Apple Switch website, but there are some really insightful emails peppered with Tim's comments. Worth a read."

The moon's been asking for this for years. cscx writes "The mysterious space junk, or apparent "other moon" reported a few weeks ago, now is more likely to be an old Saturn V (from the Apollo program) rocket booster. Bad thing is, there is a 20% chance it could strike the moon sometime next year. More details at MSNBC."

We'll let you you borrow it for a while, sign here. An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft has scrapped plans for subscription-based licensing of consumer products following the end of a 12-month trial in several countries including New Zealand. The Story says people were getting confused as to why they had to pay after the 12 months had gone by."

I find your lack of confidence disturbing. Longinus writes "Ars Technica is reporting that Western Digital is going to follow Maxtor's recent decision to cut their warranty of future drives from three years to one, with an extended warranty being offered at an additional price. The article goes on to mention that Seagate is rumored to also be considering such a cut, but nothing official has been confirmed. One can only wonder if this increase in price is to due to corporate cost saving measures or the fact that hard drives are becoming less stable magnetically as they increase in storage space."

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  1. Hard drive warranties by Raul654 · · Score: 3

    I just lost a western dig drive earlier this year. Thank GOD I managed to save most of the data off of it before it went. But still, aren't they legally responsible if they put out a shoddy product? What if you are a cooperation and lose data because of harddrive failure. (Generally, midrange buisness that can't afford regular backups will be hit hardest by this) - do you have a case?

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    1. Re:Hard drive warranties by jigokukoinu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Software maufacturers aren't responsible for loss of data, Why should hardware manufacturers? At least they give you one year! Honestly though, if the data matters: back it up and store it offsite. :)

    2. Re:Hard drive warranties by ErikTheRed · · Score: 2

      I've noticed a general trend among hard drive manufacturers for producing hard drives that suck ass from a quality control standpoint. The good thing is that the drives are very, very cheap now. Why is that so good? RAID-1 is perfectly affordable now. Since it's already built onto many motherboards (or available as an inexpensive PCI card) pretty much anyone who would be more than mildly inconvenienced by a hard drive crash should run it.

      Yes, in an ideal world the motherfucking hard drive manufactureres would make drives worth more than the boxes they come in. Until then, I'll keep all of my drives mirrored....

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    3. Re:Hard drive warranties by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      (Generally, midrange buisness that can't afford regular backups will be hit hardest by this)

      If you do not have a backup system built into your server then you need to fire yout IT person for incompetence right now and be sure to publically ridicule them.

      There is NO EXCUSE for having a daily backup strategy in place BEFORE you even open the box on that server you just bought. It sicken's me that any IT ir IS person would ever put anything in place that doesnt have automatic backups running. A DLT drive is only $1900.00 and enough tapes for a safe backup strategy is only another $900.00 that is pure peanuts compared to the cost of data loss, and almost nothing to a mid-sized business. a small business (2-50 employees) may have a hard time swallowing that, but then the Owner can live without a lincoln continental for another year and drive a KIA or something cheaper.

      It still to this date amazes me that incompetence rusn rampant in IT, espically in small and medium sized businesses.

      If you IT person asks for a backup solution or upgrade to the backup solution, hand him a blank check without question. Doing anything esle but ensuring good-safe backups is incompetence.

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  2. Western Digital? by Clue4All · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm impressed that these guys are still in business. With a complete lack of quality control, no one uses their components in serious applications, I had assumed they were living off deals with OEMs. If that's the case, then the OEM will keep up its usual 3 year warranty at a cost to themselves and it won't affect most consumers who are buying their own components (and not foolish enough to use WD). On a related note, I have a closet full of WD drives of various sizes that have been RMAed multiple times and I'm sure as hell not going to use them, feel free to pay shipping for them. =)

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    1. Re:Western Digital? by rainwalker · · Score: 2

      I'll certainly take some off of your hands. Drop me an email and I'm sure we can set something up.

    2. Re:Western Digital? by sheldon · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's weird. I've purchased a variety of drives over the years, and I've had a variety of drives in systems I've supported. All totalled I've probably purchased 30 drives for personal use, and for work we're talking thousands.

      Western Digital is the only company I've never seen a failed drive from. The next best is Seagate, where the only failure I saw there was about 7 years ago with a 170Meg and a 500Meg. Now granted, I've seen failed Seagate drives in the servers but out of the many hundreds there, the failure ratio has still been reasonable.

      Maxtor I've had numerous failures from, 340Meg, 3Gig, 13Gig and so forth. I tend to avoid their product any more because the failures weren't a while ago, they just keep happening...

      IBM I only had one failed 2 gig drive, years ago. I have a couple 20 and 30 gig from them now, but I otherwise haven't seen too much of their product.

      Quantum was probably the worst, but that's because we had about 500 desktops with 2.5Gig bigfoot drives in them and I must have replaced half of them. Otherwise I had good luck with their older 500Meg and 1Gig Fireball drives.

      Anyway, not quite sure why people bash on WD drives. Maybe you've just seen a higher volume of their drives than other brands. It would be like working in a Honda dealership and saying Honda's suck because they're always coming back in for repairs. :)

    3. Re:Western Digital? by Fugly · · Score: 2

      I know exactly why I bash WD drives.

      At the last company I worked for we lost a huge number of western digital drives. I'd guess 30ish in one year. For a company with only 100-150 computers, that's an appalling failure rate. Now most of the computers they failed in were purchased at the same time from the same vendor so I suppose it's possible that they were just a bad batch or something but still, that's just insane.

      In one server, we lost 4/4 western digital drives over the course of 3 months. At first we were suspicious that perhaps there was another hardware problem causing the failures but we replaced them with Seagates and when I left 3 years later, none of the Seagates had failed.

      Also, coincidentally, the only drive I've ever had fail on me at home was a Quantum Bigfoot 2 gig drive.

    4. Re:Western Digital? by MonkeyBoy · · Score: 2

      Hmm. It's weird. I have a love-hate relationship with WD.

      Basically their OEM drive business from 7+ years ago was bread and butter for them - massive influx of cash selling cheap, cheap, cheap drives with little in the way of quality control. This is back when they actually shipped drives that spun at 1800 & 2100rpm, while almost everyone else was at 3600rpm. But they were cheap. OEMs love cheap.

      Within the past couple years though I've seen a major shift for them. Their OEM drives are still of questionable integrity, though nothing like they used to be. But their retail drives have been damn good to me. The last problem I had with a WD was back when they were one of the first 9GB 7200rpm IDE drive manufacturers, and there was a firmware bug that caused problems with old controllers - like, oh, I dunno, the kind you'd find built into the BX chipset. Yeah. That big of a pain.

      Oh, wait, I take that back... I bought one of their first 7200rpm "enterprise" class SCSI drives and, well, found it less than enterprise worthy. I saw weird data corruption issues that I never tracked down, literally didn't have the luxury of tracking them down, I just replaced the drive with a same-size Seagate and bam, problem went away. That drive still rests on a shelf, someplace, waiting for a 2nd chance.

      Still, those are both problems from over 3 years ago. It's enough time for them to change.

      All that said, I have a 120GB WD IDE drive inside my current box that runs 24/7/365 and has since I bought it last year. But, by the same token, my tape backup kicks off MWF and backs up everything - data from the WD, the 15K Seagate, and the Atlas V. Once you realize that data loss is inevitable, the price of a safety net doesn't seem quite so high... the kicker is that sometimes the only thing that will make you realize that is data loss.

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    5. Re:Western Digital? by sheldon · · Score: 2

      You didn't mention what size WD, or from which line.(Caviar?)

      "In one server, we lost 4/4 western digital drives over the course of 3 months."

      Hmm. Western Digital hasn't made SCSI drives for years, and even then it wasn't common to see them in servers.

    6. Re:Western Digital? by Fugly · · Score: 2

      One of the four wd drives in the server was IDE - all it contained was the os and a handful of utilities. The other 3 drives were indeed wd SCSI drives. I want to say the IDE drive was around 2 gigs and the scsi drives were a bit bigger, roughly 4 gigs.

      The wd drives in our desktops that were prone to failing were all IDE. They were 1.6 gig caviar drives if memory serves.

  3. thats no moon by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    its space junk!

    "there is a 20% chance it could strike the moon sometime next year. "
    oh no, what could happen if it strikes the moon!
    it might be knocked out of orbit. I'm pretty sure the moon has never been struck before...
    ahhh.
    heh

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    1. Re:thats no moon by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "oh no, what could happen if it strikes the moon!"

      They'll make a 'special edition' DVD of Waterworld where they'll digitally paint in the new crater on the moon to fix the inconsistency it'd cause.

    2. Re:thats no moon by Detritus · · Score: 2

      The Apollo missions used to intentionally crash the left-over bits of the spacecraft, like the LEM, into the Moon. The impacts generated seismic waves that provided valuable data on the internal structure of the Moon. The ALSEP instrumentation packages left on the Moon included seismometers, allowing Earth based scientists to monitor the Moon for seismic activity.

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  4. Re:Good old slashdot. by plierhead · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Just think of listening to the super-paranoids as the price you have to pay to live in the land of the free.

    The day they go quiet is when you should start to worry.

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  5. Hard drives going the way of the floppies? by tedDancin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One can only wonder if this increase in price is to due to corporate cost saving measures or the fact that hard drives are becoming less stable magnetically as they increase in storage space.

    Makes me wonder if the manufacturers are comprimising quality for both the extra space, and the speed at which they're getting churned out. I noticed the same thing with 3.5" floppy drives in their later years, prices went right down, as did the quality. In the end they were treated almost as a "disposable" part. Are hard drives going this way?

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    1. Re:Hard drives going the way of the floppies? by NineNine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree. I just bought a new hard drive, and the smallest thing I could get was 40 gig. What the FUCK do I need 40 gig for unless I'm an MP3 freak? I wanted to get a small, rock solid drive. I got something bigger than I need, insanely faster than I need, and I just hope to god it lasts a while (No, of course I didn't get a Western Digital!). Fuck size. I want reliability.

    2. Re:Hard drives going the way of the floppies? by captain_craptacular · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ummmm... Thats because in the "later years" you couldn't fit anything useful on a floppy and HDD drives were hudreds of times larger and many times faster. I know of no similarly priced alternative to current HDD's that fits these specifications. Do you? Floppys were replaced by better technology. Unfortunately I don't see that happening to Magnetic HDD's any time soon.

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    3. Re:Hard drives going the way of the floppies? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2

      So buy an 18GB SCSI drive. :-)

    4. Re:Hard drives going the way of the floppies? by Lshmael · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, according to your .sig, I think you do know "what the fuck" you need a 40 gigabyte drive for...

    5. Re:Hard drives going the way of the floppies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Fuck size. I want reliability.

      That's what she said.

    6. Re:Hard drives going the way of the floppies? by NineNine · · Score: 2

      Well, *sometimes* the 40 gig jobbies are useful... like when you have gigs and gigs of porn. But hell, I jsut need some reliable, rock solid drives for my retail biz. I don't care how big the drive is on my Point of Sale box. I want reliability. 900 Meg (Jesus.. how did just an OS get so damn big) for W2K, and another gig for my POS software and database. I'd buy a 2 gig at the same price as a 40 or 60 gig if I could be assured that it was reliable as hell. A warranty is useless to me. A dead drive puts me in one fuck of a lurch. I don't care about the money. A hundred bucks is nothing. I don't want it to fucking die in the first place.

    7. Re:Hard drives going the way of the floppies? by Permission+Denied · · Score: 2
      Fuck size. I want reliability.

      Also, fuck speed. Never buy 7200 RPM drives - get 5400 RPM drives instead. They last longer. If you're worried about the speed, get more memory (for disk caching). My time is far more precious than a 0.1% performance increase on some random server (and the time it takes to restore a backup for some random server at 04:00 Saturday night/Sunday morning is very precious time).

  6. Re:Good old slashdot. by dmarcov · · Score: 3, Funny

    As if any uppity suburbanite kids actually /paid/ for a Rage Against the Machine CD to /get/ the liner notes.

  7. Subscraption? by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Reminds me of that plan /. had on making money. Actually, do they still? I haven't noticed although I do click on the links to support them.

  8. Losing data. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    (Generally, midrange buisness that can't afford regular backups will be hit hardest by this)

    Backups are a necessity, not an option.

    In the most primitive case, you just mirror to one or more remote sets of drives. Cost is not that monumental.

    If you can afford to staff a company, you can also afford a tape drive, if you want a better long-term solution.

    You _will_ have drive failure or some other data-destroying event happen once every few years. A wise business must plan accordingly (or plan to recover from having all of their data eaten).

  9. Re:Who needs a warrenty? by Istealmymusic · · Score: 2

    I'm confused, how does Slashdot handle replies intentended to be new threads? Certainly not by the Re: in Subject.

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  10. As the old saying goes by Theodore+Logan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Chinese surfers searching Google are finding their Internet connection dropped for five minutes if they enter "politically sensitive" keywords, such as the Chinese president's name!

    Information wants to be tied up and spanked.

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    1. Re:As the old saying goes by Theodore+Logan · · Score: 2

      Btw, I got that from Faulty Dreamer on K5. But I don't know if he's the originator.

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    2. Re:As the old saying goes by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2

      Google could avoid this if they switched to HTTPS instead of HTTP. But that might require a lot of extra computing power to do all the encryption and decryption. I wonder how much it would cost, in fact?

      It would be great if Google phased out HTTP in favour of HTTPS, to help their Chinese users, and all the other big sites followed suit - but I don't think it's going to happen any time soon.

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    3. Re:As the old saying goes by epsalon · · Score: 2

      They can still proxy HTTPS. The user will access the great firewall with HTTP and the firewall will make the HTTPS connection. HTTPS doesn't help here.

  11. Hard drives are comodities by MrResistor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hard drives are now a comodity part with razor thin margins (that's why IBM bailed from the consumer market, remember), and waranties cost money. It should be no surprise that all the remaining manufacturers are cutting their warranty period. I very much doubt that it is a reflection on actual drive performance, but rather simply a cost cutting measure.

    Honestly, when I can buy a 40G Seagate for $64, so what if it only has a one year warranty. You made backups, right? Toss it and get a new one.

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    1. Re:Hard drives are comodities by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

      yeah but I expect these things to work for more than a year. Hell I expected my 24x CDRW to last more than 4 months.

      I don't care if everyone considers at $100 piece of hardware "throw away". I still have my USR Courier 28.8 (56k) from when it first came out. I still have 3Com Ethernet cards from way back (ISA), and I still have a TON of other random hardware (including other HDs).

      This stuff is always able to be reused (especially for other poor college students that have shit that breaks and need it replaced quickly and for free).

      I am sick and tired of recent hardware breaking and the fucking manus not taking responsibility.

      Make some decent hardware and put a 1 yr on it. Fine. Otherwise make shit hardware and put a long one on it.

      My rant is over.

    2. Re:Hard drives are comodities by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2, Troll
      "Honestly, when I can buy a 40G Seagate for $64, so what if it only has a one year warranty. You made backups, right? Toss it and get a new one."

      Tell that to the people in China who are drowning under our computer garbage.

      Sadly, North American culture (and I can say this because I am from that continent) is beyond exceedingly wasteful (not just in relation to computers) in ways that most people don't even notice. It's hard to see the real picture when you're a part of it. I am guilty of it too, but I'm a little more sensitive to it than most folks because my parents are immigrants who grew up in a very different culture where you didn't throw out the mango peels because you can boil them to make a tasty drink.

      HDD's using current technology that are $64 are simply not a sustainable way of operating in general and it is worth it now to pay more for better hard drives that will last a long time. Fortunately, there will always be a high-reliability segment of the market for servers. I have never thrown out a HDD. I even had a clock that was formerly a 40 MB drive on my shelf. I sell the ancient 100 MB scsi drives from 10+ years which all still work to collectors. Too bad most current drives will crap out by then.

    3. Re:Hard drives are comodities by drdink · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I still have 3Com Ethernet cards from way back (ISA), and I still have a TON of other random hardware (including other HDs).

      One thing you have to consider is that your Ethernet cards have no moving parts. Your soundcards have no moving parts. Your video card has no moving parts. Your RAM has no moving parts. Your hard disks, however, move quite a lot. True it seems older hard drives seem to live longer, but you also have to take other factors into consideration such as capacity, speed, and overall quality.

      Although I know very little about hard drives, it seems logical to assume that there is a direct correlation between storage capacity and drive capacity. For more space, you've got to have more platters and a higher storage density. This means you have more mechanics to deal with these finer details, which is just another place for something to go wrong.

      It is rather easy to see why faster drive speeds would decrease the MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) of a hard drive. The mechanics are moving faster, and more work has to be done to keep then spinning properly. On top of this, you get the extra friction, wear, and tear that increased speeds cause. You may be able to walk at 1 mile an hour for a few hours, but you can't run at 25mph for nearly as long.

      And finally, you have drive quality. It is my opinion that as time has passed, hard drive demand has increased as well. In fact, I"m sure somebody could prove this given the proper numbers, graphs, calculators, and secretary. I would imagine that drive manufacturers, in order to meet increased demands, have substituted quality for price. And thus, drives have become much cheaper at the expensve of high MTBF.

      So what is my point in this comment? I'm merely pointing out that there are many factors that need to be taken into consideration before saying, "Hey! My other hardware lives much longer than these new crappy hard drives!" I'm sure if you were in the place of the manufacturers, you'd shorten the warranty if you could get away with it. I don't necessary enjoy having shorter warranties, but I see why it is necessary. After having three IBM hard drives die on me within a yaer, it became crystal clear to me that drive manufacturers were losinga pretty penny on RMAs.

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    4. Re:Hard drives are comodities by ottffssent · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The MTBF ratings on modern hard drives belie your statements. Seagate's top-end 15k RPM drives carry MTBF ratings of over a million hours (more than 100 years). Even much-maligned consumer drives like WDC's Caviar line are rated at 500,000 hours MTBF.

      Think about it this way. The outer track on a 3.5" platter running at 7200RPM is going at over 60MPH. The read head is precise enough to find a single sector in a track 1/40,000th of an inch wide while it's whizzing by that fast. A car moving at 60MPH would be lucky to hit a dime and has hardly a prayer of lasting 57 years (500,000 hours), let alone running that long.

      I hate car analogies, and I think a 1-year warranty sucks but even so, do we really need to be bitching about hard drives? The price per megabyte has dropped by a factor of 1000 in under 10 years; reliability (based on MTBF ratings) and speed have increased by a factor of 5-10 in the same time frame. Name me one other computer component that can boast the same.

    5. Re:Hard drives are comodities by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2

      Hardware may be getting cheaper but time isn't. Restoring from backups is a real PITA and so is having to order and install a replacement drive. Having hardware that lasts a long time is just as important as it always was.

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    6. Re:Hard drives are comodities by gosand · · Score: 2
      Honestly, when I can buy a 40G Seagate for $64, so what if it only has a one year warranty. You made backups, right? Toss it and get a new one.

      What did you make your backups on? I am finding this to be a problem as I start to fill more and more HD space. CDROMs don't cut it anymore, and I haven't sprung for a tape drive. But even then, it would take a lot to back up everything. I recently used Ghost to backup and restore a drive when I got a new one, and my images were big. I have a 120GB drive that is about 50% full now. Toss a drive every year and get a new one? That's insane. Why is everything considered disposable nowadays? Whatever happened to quality?

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    7. Re:Hard drives are comodities by TFloore · · Score: 2
      Consumer hard drives are not spinning faster now than they did 3 years ago. Three years ago standard consumer computer harddrives spun at 5400 rpm, and high-end consumer harddrives spun at 7200 rpm. Same is true now.

      Three years ago most consumer harddrives had MTBF ratings of 300,000 hours. Now consumer harddrives have MTBF ratings of 500,000 hours or longer.

      Three years ago most consumer harddrives had 3 year warranties. Now consumer harddrives are moving towards 1 year warranties.

      Huh? Same physical mechanisms. Longer MTBF ratings. Shorter wrranty periods? Is someone lying about the MTBF rating?

      As to this:
      After having three IBM hard drives die on me within a yaer, it became crystal clear to me that drive manufacturers were losinga pretty penny on RMAs.

      The solution to building a crappy product is not to shorten the warranty period until your RMAs stop causing you problems. The solution is to build a good quality product.

      Oh, sorry, that would imply that these companies are purposefully ripping people off, rather than simply attempting to "maximize profits" or whatever you call it.
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    8. Re:Hard drives are comodities by Doc+Hopper · · Score: 2

      I hate to add the obligatory GNU/Linux reference to your post, but here goes anyway :)

      You already see this future in devices such as the Agenda VR3 PDA. Although the company itself has disappeared in the U.S., the user community has applied some interesting technologies to solving the problem of very little storage, very little RAM, and a relatively slow CPU.

      The Agenda has 8 MB of working RAM. The data storage for the unit is 16MB of flash RAM. On initial release, the Agenda was very slow and problematical, primarily because it would eat up its 8 MB of RAM with the kernel + X Windows, leaving precious little for applications. The solution was ingenious: combine compressed storage on the flash (to conserve that 16MB of flash storage) with "XIP", or "eXecute In Place" technology in the Linux kernel. XIP prevents one from storing the file to be XIP'd uncompressed, but allows one to actually run the program directly from the storage media, without loading much (or any) of it into RAM. With hard disks, this would be unbearably slow. With flash RAM, while considerably slower than regular RAM, it works pretty well.

      I'm actually considering implementing an XIP solution for our servers at work. I'm trying to aggregate about 400 employees on some servers, but the problem is that if each one of them is running off the server, the RAM overhead of KDE + apps for each person is abominable. If I had a common, solid-state-storage (or else a very large RAMdisk), combined with XIP, it may be possible to dramatically reduce the memory overhead of launching hundreds of copies of the same app. XIP it on a RAMdisk!

      Of course, it may not work. As a matter of fact, I'm betting that it won't work. But wouldn't it be cool if it did?

      Elimination of magnetic storage will probably not be complete during my lifetime (I'm 29 now). However, I consider removing the idea that we store on one media, and run from another, to be beneficial to the industry as a whole. Faster media, programs that execute directly from media rather than intermediately storing in RAM. Woot!

    9. Re:Hard drives are comodities by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      Riiiight...blame the Americans. Let's not blame the (typically Taiwanese) manufacturers of these shoddy drives. Remember: America Is Always Wrong.

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    10. Re:Hard drives are comodities by garcia · · Score: 2

      yes, we really do need to bitch about them. They are NOT cheap. They are NOT reliable. And they are certainly NOT covered by a warranty that guarantees me anything.

      Everyone knows that 366 days into your purchase that god damn thing will die.

    11. Re:Hard drives are comodities by MrResistor · · Score: 2

      A basic knowledge of statistics would show you why you are wrong. The short answer to your rather uninformed accusation is that, regardless of the validity of MTBF ratings, there is a significant cost difference between a 1-year warranty and a 3-year warranty. Please refrain from posting on this topic until you have educated yourself regarding the actual issues involved.

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    12. Re:Hard drives are comodities by MrResistor · · Score: 2

      The only thing you are correct about, for the forseable future, is the possibility of mass storage becoming solid state. There will always be a reason for there to be a seperation of volatile and non-volatile memory for as long as there are software bugs, in other words; forever. Also, fast memory will always be more expensive than slow memory. That's the reason we have hard drives today, and that's the reason mass (static)storage will continue to be slower than active storage, at least until consumers no longer care about price, in other words; forever.

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    13. Re:Hard drives are comodities by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
      " Riiiight...blame the Americans. Let's not blame the (typically Taiwanese) manufacturers of these shoddy drives. Remember: America Is Always Wrong."

      Consider that the quality of hard drive manufacturing is a function of a pre-determined level of reliability. The corporation paying for the manufacture of the drives can pay more to get more reliable drives, but then might have trouble selling them in a market flooded with cheap drives. There is no way for the average person to touch, feel, or examine what you get when you pay more for a drive, so the HDD companies simply request lower quality drives at lower costs so they don't go out of business.

      The manufacturers in Taiwan are not to blame. They make crappy hard drives if they are paid to make crappy hard drives. That is all.

    14. Re:Hard drives are comodities by GypC · · Score: 2

      Man, nobody can run 25 mph...

      As of June 2000, the fastest running human is Michael Johnson, the American track and field star who on August 1, 1996 set the world record of running 200 meters in 19.32 seconds. Johnson, by doing this, won an Olympic title in Atlanta, Georgia and broke the longest standing field record of the time; Pietro Mennea's 1979 record of 19.72 seconds. Johnson's record can be calculated to equal 10.35 m/s or 37.267 km/h [23.16 m/h].

      Your average person can run maybe half that fast...

    15. Re:Hard drives are comodities by cduffy · · Score: 2

      If you don't think hard drives are cheap, you haven't been in this industry long 'nuff. I remember when hard drive prices were dollars per megabyte (as opposed to cents), and everyone expected a new hard drive to come with some bad sectors just as a matter of course. Modern hard drives are much, much cheaper and last far longer than the ones of 10 or 15 years ago did. Having some whim that mass-produced consumer equipment will be even more cheap and reliable than it is right now is no excuse for the general bitching and whining I see here.

      Seriously -- it used to be that a hard drive crash every 3 years or so was about what was to be expected; I haven't seen one (head crash / total failure, as opposed to just losing a sector or two) since '94 or '95. Just because you want your mass-produced consumer equipment to be even cheaper than its current (dirt-cheap) pricing permits, and even more reliable than the best cost-effective technology permits, is no excuse to bitch, except at your own unrealistic expectations.

      And no, not "everybody knows" that drives sold with a 365-day warranty will fail on day 366. Hard drive manufacturers still want repeat business, remember? It's hard to get that (or even avoid getting blasted in the consumer rags) if your drives make a habit of failing right after the warranty runs out.

  12. 1 year electronics warranties by loomis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I believe that all electronic devices sold in the USA automatically carry a one-year manufacturer's warranty, no exceptions. (Is this law BTW?)

    Given this one-year manufacturer's warranty, I am actually surprised that some hard drive manufacturers were still offering longer warranties. I am surprised they didn't convert warranties to one-year ones a long time ago, or simply have one-year ones from the start.

    Loomis

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    1. Re:1 year electronics warranties by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Funny

      I believe that all electronic devices sold in the USA automatically carry a one-year manufacturer's warranty, no exceptions. (Is this law BTW?)

      Wrong, and no.

      They can disclaim most things, but merchantability for a certain purpose is one thing they usually cannot disclaim, no matter if they put it in capital legalese or not.

      As always IRECTAL, uh I mean IANAL.

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  13. Re:Good old slashdot. by unicron · · Score: 2

    I agree, I love anger. It's easily one of the most pure feelings once can experience. This isn't anger though, it's idiotic paranoia sprinkled with just enough sensationalism to make it fit to print.

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  14. Re:Who needs a warrenty? by GigsVT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In a year or so if my hard drive goes up i'd rather get a newer, bigger one.

    And this is the exact reason manufacturers are going with shorter warrantees on their low end drives. If you buy one of the low-end Maxtor 20GB drives in a year or so, in three more years, they won't have those in stock, and will be forced to send you a 100GB drive if you RMA it.

    Maxtor has already said their high capactiy and high end drives will have a full three year warranty, and the same MTTF rating as SCSI drives. I think you will see price cuts, and intense price competition on the low end, you may not associate it with the shorter warantee, but they will come. Imagine buying a new, in production, not EOLed hard disk for $30... I think that's coming soon.

    I think I am safe in saying that never before in history has there been such a gap between low and high end of in-production hard disks. In the next year, Maxtor will have drives from 20GB to 320GB. When 320 megabyte disks came into production, 20 meg drives were distant history, the smallest in production was something like 100 megs.

    The nature of the hardware market is changing, I'd say that this is driving these warantee decisions, not some vague threat of magnetic flux unreliability.

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  15. Re:Good old slashdot. by DonkeyJimmy · · Score: 3, Funny

    And please, no replies from Uppity suburban kids quoting the travesties our government committed from your Rage Against the Machine CD linear notes.

    Fuck you, I wont do what you tell me!

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  16. If I ever.. by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... need to make use of a hd-warranty, then I won't buy that brand of drive anymore. I've been fortunate in that I've never needed to discover what the warranty terms are.

    I haveta admit, though, it does make pre-built systems a little more enticing. You can get 4-year warranties on the entire machine, not just the hard-drive. I suppose that's a plus, particularly if you need to have your computer up all the time.

    1. Re:If I ever.. by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Besides, the odds are you'll get a refurb. Maxtor did that with me. I had a D540X drop dead on me. They shipped me a new one, under their "no quibble" policy (no problems there). It died three months later. I called back to bitch, and they asked "do you want us to spec a new build instead of a refurb this time?" My answer was HELL YES!

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    2. Re:If I ever.. by drdink · · Score: 2

      In my dealings with IBM, I received three refab drives in a row. The original drive, a 75GXP, died after a few months of usage. I RMA'd it and received a refab 75GXP as a replacement. This drive died within a month or so, and so I RMA'd it as well. Then, after more waiting I received another refab 75GXP from IBM which died within a week. Finally, after a bit of screaming, the fourth drive wasn't a 75GXP and is still working today. I'm still waiting for it to fail, though.

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    3. Re:If I ever.. by Technician · · Score: 2

      One of the new machines I got came with those famous IBM drives. It's died twice in warranty. Second time I didn't use the warranty, but bought another more reliable brand. I simply did not trust that model anymore. Not having the hastle of rebuilding the software install was worth ditching the drive instead of using the warranty.

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  17. What's with the WD FUD? by teamhasnoi · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I have ALL WD drives from the early 90s to today, (2 - 40 gig 7200rpm) and they all work perfectly. They have been removed, reinstalled in different cases countless times, knocked over ect. and never a problem. I even have a 720 Meg from years ago that was making icky noises, that I got from a *thrown* (across a room) together pile! of misc. computer parts. I reformatted it a couple of times; it works perfectly. I have NEVER lost data from HD problems. From any of my drives.

    Now take IBM. Please. My new mac's (1st Quicksilver) HD crapped out after 2 Months!!!

    I'll stick with WD, thanks.

  18. Tim self-servingly ignores criticism by leandrod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tim manages at the same time to only reproduce emails that do not go for the jugular against his Apple eulogy, and to ignore the strikingly good contestation published at freshmeat.

    It is like his other blunders, creating proprietary documentation for free software and starting the whole open source useful innocents propaganda that confused so much the free software message: he puts his foot in his mouth, and then ignores criticism, or put only rehashing of old arguments as a counterpoint, perhaps hoping critics will go away...

    It is all right for the likes of you and me to ignore some criticism, but for him, a publisher to do that so openly and so often, and having the advantage of being, well, a publisher... he should know, and behave, better.

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    1. Re:Tim self-servingly ignores criticism by reallocate · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You seem to expect O'Reilly to act as a shill for open source. Why does O'Reilly's position as a book publisher mandate that he is not allowed an opinion? Or that he is obligated to behave in a fashion approved by open source dogmatics? He is under no obligation to even try and give any consideration to anyone's opinions about ODX, good, bad, or indifferent. He's simply making the point that a number of Linux users have dropped that OS and moved to OS X. No one except fantatics cares if OS X is r-e-a-l-l-y Unix or not or if buying a Mac threatens the open source movement. There are people who think having religious opinions about operating systems makes about as much sense as having religious opinions about automobile transmissions.

      Besides, if you'd read the piece, you'd see that it contains criticism of Apple as well as praise.

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    2. Re:Tim self-servingly ignores criticism by leandrod · · Score: 2
      > You seem to expect O'Reilly to act as a shill for open source.

      Knowing that he helped validate the term by organising the Freeware Summit Conference, I do not see why would he be excused of supporting it.

      By the way, I am not speaking about open source, but free software. By this I imply that all software should be free as in freedom, not beer.

      > Why does O'Reilly's position as a book publisher mandate that he is not allowed an opinion?

      He is entitled to an opinion, sure enough. But he has an obligation to give well-reasoned criticism a place. Anyone has, but publishers specially, because they control the mass media. And his choice of email messages he quoted seems to imply that all is well with Mac OS X, but the free software community disagrees, and he ignores it. Picturing himself as an open source advocate, and open source as another name for free software -- which it is not -- he should give the real free software community a say.

      > if you'd read the piece, you'd see that it contains criticism of Apple as well as praise.

      Which criticism, that is too expensive or incompatible with new gadgetry? This are not the real points, but that it is proprietary. I could have missed such a criticism, because the whole piece is so self-congratulatory I nearly dozed before finishing.

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    3. Re:Tim self-servingly ignores criticism by reallocate · · Score: 2

      Your point of view is often premised by a commitment to free software and open source as important agents of social change. That's a valid frame of reference, but one I don't share. They are interesting and important software development and distribution tools, but I think that's about it.

      O'Reilly's role in open source doesn't compel him to ignore other developments or to espouse open source solutions for all situations. If he did, he would be acting in a partisan, quasi-political manner. Since he does not act or speak in that way -- particularly after he publicly doubted the wisdom of forcing the State of California to trade one software monopoly for another -- he takes unjustified abuse here and elsewhere from open source partisans.

      As a publisher and writer, O'Reilly is not obligated to ensure that all possible points of view and opinion are represented in each single piece of material he posts to his company's site. No media or news organization has that obligation. If anyone had that obligation, we do, as consumers. If we really want a well-balanced diet of news and information (and most people don't) it is up to us to take information from a variety of sources. He's written two openly anecdotal pieces about Linux users migrating to OS X, not two impartial assessments of the relative strengths and weakness of all operating systems. That migration doesn't imply that Linux is a failure. It just implies that people will use what appeals to them and that Linux, unsurprisingly, is not a universal answer. Sure, the email is all pro-OS X. That's to be expected in a piece that deliberately looks at happy OS X users.

      (In essence, I don't understand why some people get so upset about Apple and OS X. Or, why someone would feel a need to write the Freshmeat piece. Why all this consternation about whether or not is a 'real" Unix? Why fuss about some files that aren't where you expect to find them? Why do so many people castigate Apple and then go on a rant about the price of a Mac? Who cares about all that? None of that stuff is important. These things are just operating systems. In the end, they all do the same thing in almost identical fashion, just like Fords and Toyotas.)

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    4. Re:Tim self-servingly ignores criticism by leandrod · · Score: 2
      > I don't understand why some people get so upset about Apple and OS X.

      Broken promises, proprietariness, cost, bloat.

      They said it would be open source, and even got OSI certification. But it is software hoarding all the same, because they mostly just relicensed software that originally was under the BSD license, which does not have all the restrictions and strings attached the APSL has. And what they actually released has no use at all, lacking the necessary parts to make a functioning system and being totally uninteresting: old versions of BSD and Mach combined as to take away the leanness of BSD and the flexibility of Mach.

      They told everyone to buy Mac OS X 10.0 and they would give the next release for free. Mac OS X 10.0 was unusable, 10.1 beta quality, and now that finally it has an usable version, 10.2, it is full price.

      They promised iTools would be forever, and free. Now it has been phased out and we have .mac instead, US$100.00 per year per account.

      They promised all G3, and the immediately preceding models, would be supported by Mac OS X. When it finally came out, only G3 and superior were, and now that it has matured, it will not even run without a video upgrade on the original beige G3s.

      They used MkLinux to gain Unix experience before buying NeXT, but never made it easy to support. Much driver support for GNU/Linux had to be reverse-engineered.

      The GUI is proprietary. Sure, there is OpenStep the standard and GNUStep the interoperable reimplementation, and there is DisplayPDF the standard and DisplayGhostScript the interoperable reimplementation. But all this, and NetInfo, is being deemphasized or poorly documented, Darwin can run on non-Apple hardware but not with the GUI, and all in all they lost a great opportunity to go X Window System and NIS or LDAP, thus being truly standards-compliant.

      I would be all for paying for a Mac. But the quality is not the same as before, they having dumped SCSI for flaky IDE -- now with reduced warranties, but to be fair this is not directly their fault --, introduced FireWire with hefty patents royalties and only partially -- initial iMacs and iBooks were USB only --, so that now all sorts of peripherals that should be FireWire are still IDE or, worse, USB.

      And Mac OS X is still bloated.

      Enough said?

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    5. Re:Tim self-servingly ignores criticism by reallocate · · Score: 2

      I gotta tell you that I've had my Mac for all of two months (my Linux machine is sitting unplugged over in the corner), and I just don't care about any of the issues you raise. They obviously really annoy lots of other folks, though. But, in the end, none of those issues have any affect on how I use my computer.

      After several years of using Linux, I decided one day that I was spending too much time tweaking and adjusting Linux. I can afford a Mac, so I bought one. I've lost zero capability and get more done faster. As the cliche goes, your mileage may vary.

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    6. Re:Tim self-servingly ignores criticism by leandrod · · Score: 2
      > I just don't care about any of the issues you raise.
      > After several years of using Linux, I decided one day that I was spending too much time tweaking and adjusting Linux. I can afford a Mac, so I bought one. I've lost zero capability and get more done faster.

      The price of freedom is eternal vigilance... too bad this is not remembered anymore.

      The way it is, Apple will become another monopoly, fragmenting the Unix desktop even more if it succeeds, or delay free software victory if it failes.

      Now, I have too a Mac and love its silence and low energy comsumption. I love not having paid anything to neither Microsoft nor Intel. And sure Mac OS X is just half proprietary instead of totally proprietary as with MS W32. But even so, it is outrageous that a company that broke so many good promises as Apple did still looks good compared to the most influential company in the world. It sure tells a lot about our society.

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  19. Segway isn't "IT" for commuters by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 5, Interesting


    These are cool toys, but the 40-60 pound weight means that they're not something you want to carry around.

    However, as a longtime cyclist commuter, the 10-15 mile range is easily done on a bicycle. Better for you and the environment than a scooter. Yes, hills suck, but not as much as fighting with cars in traffic.

    There are some collapsable bicycles, but I've never found these to be worthy of riding more than 1-2 miles at a stretch.

    If your local transit company is forward thinking and has bike racks on the bus, then you're set. (Santa Barbara, I recall, had one bus per hour that dragged a trailer meant for bicycles, and I'd usually see it with 10 bikes on board.)

    Buy yourself something theft-proof, like a Schwinn, which is still great quality. My Schwinn mountain bike is my city commuter, outfitted with street slicks, fenders, a rack, and hasn't been touched or mauled once in 12 years. I've ridden it through snow, rain, below-zero weather, and it saved me a bundle and kept my weight down.

    Everyone comments that riding a bike in cold weather is cold, but it isn't as cold as you think I frequently had to ride slowly so as to not break a sweat. Your legs are very big muscles, and they generate a lot of heat once you get going. I'd be cold at the start of my 3 mile commute, then I'd be warm after 4 blocks, and perspiring for the last mile.

    Snow was no problem with street slicks, but ice is. Fresh, untracked snow is easy to ride in, but once the cars start packing it, your tire wants to follow the random crossing tire tracks, and it gets squirrely.

    If you're going to commute, get a good, reflective vest, a strong headlight, two tail lights (and clip a third one on you), and get another headlight for your helmet. Shining that head-mounted light into left-turning drivers, who are looking for a break in traffic and not anything else, are stopped cold by a bright light hitting them in the face.

    Finally, always carry a cell phone. It depends upon the area, but some areas have motorists that enjoy scaring cyclists. I've had cars cross four lanes of traffic, coming toward me, just to try to scare me. Or they'll speed up past me, dynamite the brakes, and cut me off in a right-hand turn. Ride defensively, live to be old.

    Above all, skip recumbant bicycles. Neato, but when you're sitting down that low, you can't see as well, and that little orange flag on a stick isn't going to protect you from motorists. Quite frankly, it is better to be thrown over the hood of the car that cuts you off, than to be whacked in the chest by the grill because you were riding a recumbant.

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    1. Re:Segway isn't "IT" for commuters by SetupWeasel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      However, as a longtime cyclist commuter, the 10-15 mile range is easily done on a bicycle. Better for you and the environment than a scooter. Yes, hills suck, but not as much as fighting with cars in traffic.

      I'm all for riding bicycles, but fear keeps me from doing it. On a bicycle you don't fight with traffic, traffic simply wins. Do you know how much damage I will do on my bike to an SUV driven by someone who is talking on their cell phone and not paying attention to the road? Not a whole lot. Sure they'll have to pay me money out the ass, but I'd be far too dead to enjoy any of it.

      Not that I'd ride a scooter either.

      SW

    2. Re:Segway isn't "IT" for commuters by Fastball · · Score: 2
      Well it just so happens that I chucked my $200 Eddie Bauer EBT mountain bike in someone's front yard tonight after walking it four fifths of the twelve miles I had ridden from home. Second flat in a week. The gears absolutely suck shit. Never could get into the third main gear without constant tweaking. This bike sucked, and I don't care that I left maybe $100 resale value next to some sod's mailbox. I'm no longer encumbered with that piece of shit.

      So I'm in the market for a new bike. Preferrably a durable streetwise ten-speed. I nosed around a local bike shop while getting a wheel checked out last week. Some of those bikes were $1500-$2500! They don't burn any fossil fuels!

      Seriously, I understand now that cheap bikes are cheap, but I can't justify buying a bike for more than $500. I want to 10-15 miles each night after I get home from work, and I don't want to repair flat tires or gear systems every night to do it. Any tips on buying bikes?

    3. Re:Segway isn't "IT" for commuters by cookd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wear a helmet. You'd be surprised at the damage I've seen inflicted on an SUV by a bicycle helmet.

      (Of course, the head attached to the helmet took some damage, too.)

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    4. Re:Segway isn't "IT" for commuters by Happy+go+Lucky · · Score: 3, Informative
      Any tips on buying bikes?

      Try your local police department. My agency sells off our bikes at auction every time someone gets a wild hair up his ass to get new ones.

      Also, the same auctions often include recovered lost/stolen bikes where an owner couldn't be contacted or located, or wasn't interested in claiming it. We do one every year. My current bike, a Trek 930, came from an auction like that in pretty good shape, $75 plus new tires and tubes. It retailed once upon a time at $400 or so, and didn't look too used.

      Suggestion: if it's a former patrol bike, and it was made by Smith and Wesson, don't touch it. They make good handcuffs and I like the IdentaKit, but the rest of their product line is (MHO) Slick and Worthless. A few of their branded bikes are actually repainted Giant Iguanas, but most suck.

    5. Re:Segway isn't "IT" for commuters by dhaines · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I commute 26 miles round-trip on a Klein mountain bike w/ road slicks. It rocks, but Kleins aren't cheap.
      Tips:
      - Buy a bike from a bike shop, a good shop will fit you for bike and let you test-ride
      - Get your bike tuned-up regularly, or learn how to do it yourself
      - Use decent-quality tires and tubes, check the pressure often
      - A well-maintained used bike can be an excellent alternative
      - Keep in mind that you're buying a vehicle for which your body is the engine -- comfort is important, quality is essential

    6. Re:Segway isn't "IT" for commuters by jeti · · Score: 2

      There are some collapsable bicycles, but I've never found
      these to be worthy of riding more than 1-2 miles at a stretch.


      Have you ever tried one of these?
      Full suspension, 10kg, and the frame is quite rigid.

    7. Re:Segway isn't "IT" for commuters by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 2

      I've had light weight bikes but the wheels are so easily bent by pot-holes, tram lines or simply going up and down curbs. Off-road bikes may seem excessive, but the wheels at least are a lot tougher.

    8. Re:Segway isn't "IT" for commuters by cascadefx · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Eddie Bauer... Porsche!!!! Jeez.

      I have one of the best price/quality best buy Mountain bikes out there. I looked on the web for three days. Checked out all the forums. Then I walked into two bike shops and asked two of their mechanics what they ride and what they would suggest for someone looking for a good ride at a good price. Does anyone else do this?

      Hands down the winner for manufacturers was Giant. They make good bikes for many budgets. The model I have, the Iguana (which I am not sure is still available) cost around $500 bucks. It has some nice included parts and features, but you can upgrade most of them to higher quality components if you want something nicer. The advice I was given was to ride the standard parts into the ground and then upgrade as stuff gets worn out. The only "non-optional" upgrade, according to everyone, was the seat. I was told to replace it with a nice large gel model.

      I ride this 10-15 miles every day. I take it to a shop every 3 months for a $20 tune up and have them check for wear on the parts that looks serious. Haven't replaced a standard part, other than the seat, yet! I LOVE this bike. Adding "bull's horn" handle bar extensions (what do you call those things anyway?) helps relieve the wrist strain of a mountain bike handlebar for long rides (the rotate the wrists into a more relaxed positions).

      The only problem with a bike on the campus where I work is damage when left outside. College students can be destructive vicious fucks (no offense if you are a non-destructive non-vicious college student) and tend to do heavy damage to bikes in bike racks. My office doesn't offer a lot of space either. That's why I am looking into human powered kick, aka push, scooters.

      By all accounts these are perfect for the 1-3 mile commute (I like 1.5 from my office). The ten minute mile walk drops by about a third. I ordered an "adult" scooter just the other day from Xootr. These are considered to be the Rolls Roice of scooters. An electric model is also available. The only problem is that they are somewhat expensive and don't work well in wet conditions. Go Ped make a human-powered model called the Know Ped which has wider wheels and works well in harsher conditions. They also have gas powered versions.

    9. Re:Segway isn't "IT" for commuters by Daimaou · · Score: 2

      I have a recumbent bicycle and it is great for commuting; a lot more comfortable too. If I were to crash into something head on, I would hit feet first, which is my personal preference to flipping over the handlebars and having my head crash through somebody's windsheild.

      Actually, the only time I've ever been hit by a car was in Japan and I was riding an upright bicycle. The car's fender smashed my ankle against the frame of the bike. If I had been on a recumbent, I don't think I would have been hurt as bad since my whole body would have been above the fender.

      My point is that there are accidents in which it may be better for you to be on an upright bike, and there are accidents where it may be better if you're on a recumbent. I don't think either one is safer than the other.

    10. Re:Segway isn't "IT" for commuters by crumley · · Score: 2
      I'd say buy a bike from a garage sale, especially if your interested in a road bike. You can find some awfully sweet 10-30 road bike at a garage sale for $10 - $50. It might need a new tube, but it will be a sweet ride.

      A 20 year-old Schwinn road bike is the way to go. The parts might not be as fancy as on a new mountain bike, but those old Schwinns were built to last, and you can really move on them. Of course you have to be a little more watchful for pot holes, but the speed difference is worth it.

      Also, if your commuting more than a mile or two, make sure you have the tools to fix a flat with you. You can get a frame pump, a spare tube, and some tube pullers for under $10. Then either get a bag that straps on your bike, or carry in a bag that you bring with you. (I do the latter because I commute with a couple of different bikes, and I didn't feel like getting a pump for each).

      I have been commuting 5 - 15 miles roundtrip by bike year-round for almost 10 years, and let me tell it sure beats the alternatives. Even in the winter, I only wimp out and take the bus or drive a few times a year.

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  20. Hey by quantaman · · Score: 2

    Now that the pilot is over Microsoft is offering anyone who took part a free copy of the full licence version of the software.

    Hunter says Microsoft doesn't have records of all those who took part, and they should call 0800 676 334.


    Sure I don't actually live in New Zealand but I'm sure they won't know the difference will they ;-)

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  21. The Moon Is A Convenient Wastebasket by isomeme · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Bad thing is, there is a 20% chance it could strike the moon sometime next year.

    Why is this a bad thing? It's not like there's any lunar ecology to disturb, or lunar inhabitants to threaten. And if it hits Luna, that's one less piece of dangerous unguided space debris for future space travellers to keep track of.

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    1. Re:The Moon Is A Convenient Wastebasket by JediTrainer · · Score: 2

      Why is this a bad thing? It's not like there's any lunar ecology to disturb, or lunar inhabitants to threaten.

      What if it lands on my property? Who can I sue?

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      You can accomplish anything you set your mind to. The impossible just takes a little longer.
    2. Re:The Moon Is A Convenient Wastebasket by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2

      If it lands on your property... doesn't that give you salvage rights?

  22. Subscraption? by isomeme · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is that like, say, a subscription to People?

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  23. O'Reilly: Meaningless, and just as well by Otter · · Score: 2
    While O'Reilly does make the point that a significant number of Unix hard-cores are switching to OS X (especially to laptops), his sample of 15 highly atypical Mac users is meaningless as far as the larger market is concerned.

    And just as well. If Apple is primarily drawing new users from the under 1% desktop market share of Linux, they're doing something very seriously wrong.

    1. Re:O'Reilly: Meaningless, and just as well by rainmanjag · · Score: 2

      What they're doing "wrong" is relying on Mac hardware. It's just too expensive for the average Joe. I don't make enough to afford a TiBook. I have to make do with the Dell 4100 I got with my student discount and my free memory upgrade.

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  24. Problem with HD's by darkwiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are a number of reasons to be worried about HD reliability:

    1. As the fly height gets lower (generally a requisite of higher data density), the chances of a head crash increase (or if there is any dust or other particulate matter, the chances of the head turning into a record needle).

    2. Higher data density = less area consumed for a bit = easier for data to be lost.

    3. Higher track density = more probability that the head can go off track and write too close to (or over) adjacent tracks (yes, this can happen, and I guarantee it does on at least a yearly basis to someone you know).

    Combine this with thin margins (and corresponding decreases in funding to QA and good suppliers/mfg), and you have a recipe for disaster.

    For the last time: Back up your friggin' data.

  25. These WHAT!?! by sam_handelman · · Score: 2

    Quoth the msnbc story on the thing hitting the moon:
    These nuclear-powered [Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Packages] included a passive seismometer.

    Which caused me to do a bit of a double take, but no, they didn't launch entire nuke plants into space.

    Quoth this other article:
    A 70-watt power module converted heat from a radioisotope fuel capsule into electricity by means of thermocouples.

    That is..... so cool! I WANT ONE!

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    1. Re:These WHAT!?! by Graff · · Score: 5, Insightful
      the government never informed the public that they were launching sizable masses of radioactive matter into space
      I'd hardly call the amount of radioactive matter launched to be massive. A few ounces of radioactive material provides a considerable amount of power. Even if a rocket carrying one of these power supplies was to blow up in the worst possible place in our atmosphere, the amount of radiation which would rain down upon us is sure to be far less than the amount you'd get from standing in the summer sun for a few hours.

      Generally, you are exposed to far more radiation from "natural" sources than you will ever receive from "man-made" sources. For example, if you were to sit on the fence of Three Mile Island from the minute of its accident for a period of one year you would have gotten less than a typical chest x-ray worth of radiation. However, if you live in a region where natural radon gas seeps into your house then you can get the same dose in a matter of a few weeks. Cinder blocks which make up your house are slightly radioactive, and coal-fired power plants produce many times the radiation per watt as that of a typical nuclear power plant. (Coal typically has a lot of radioactive elements bound up in it, which are released when it burns.)

      In short, don't worry so much about radiation. It's a natural part of life, just use sunblock, seal your basement, and get the power companies to replace coal power plants with nuclear ones. The last item will also have the benefit of saving a ton in power costs.
    2. Re:These WHAT!?! by Detritus · · Score: 2

      NASA may not have run TV spots advertising their use of nuclear materials, but they didn't hide it. It was common knowledge among people interested in the hardware used for the Apollo program. I remember seeing a mockup of the RTG and getting a detailed explanation of how it worked while on a visit to the Smithsonian Institution in the 1970s.

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  26. Re:Honestly by compjma · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Simple, they have nukes, Iraq doesn't.

  27. Re:Good old slashdot. by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Even alluding to the thought that our country might ever share these practices tells me that whoever wrote that line really never paid attention in American History class.
    Anyone who thinks that any evil is completely unthinkable from any nation, never really paid attention in history class.
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  28. Warranties by NetJunkie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I find it odd people are surprised at these warranty changes. How many components in a PC have moving parts? How many other components in a PC have a warranty over 1 year? Not many.

    I was always amazed that the HD companies did 3 and 5 year warranties on consumer drives. Overpriced SCSI drives are one thing, but these consumer drives are getting so CHEAP these days that it isn't cost effective to offer these warranties.

    1. Re:Warranties by swordgeek · · Score: 2

      Ah, but it IS cost effective!

      How many people are going to actually take a drive in on warranty after four years? Virtually none. If they honour it, then after a three week wait you get back a brand spanking new (actually refurbished) 2GB drive. WOO!

      The company wins for having a comprehensive warranty, but the nature of computing means that they almost never have to honour it.

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      "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
    2. Re:Warranties by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The effect is not limited to computing. My friend had a 4G Fujitsu SCSI drive with a 5 year warrenty. It died after 3, and he never bothered to return it for a replacement. Similarly, the 'lifetime warranty' hammer that I managed to bend just got thrown out rather than returned for replacement.

      Many rebate programs are predicated on the knowledge that 90% of all customers will never send in their rebate coupons.

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      Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
  29. It's not FUD, it's Fact. by PhxBlue · · Score: 2

    I worked for a good-sized computer repair center back in 1998, during which time I saw an amazing number of defects in Western Digital drives--specifically, their WDC33200 and WDC36400 models. The two-platter drives were reliable enough, but the three-platter drives were lucky to last a year before they started either subtly glitching or dying altogether.

    I think sometimes it's just luck of the draw. I've owned a Quantum Bigfoot 2.4GB hard drive since 1997, and it still works like a champ five years later. Same with the IBM 12GB drive I run now, though it's not quite as old yet.

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    1. Re:It's not FUD, it's Fact. by technos · · Score: 2

      I've had IBM and Toshiba-branded 12 and 14mm laptop drives in constant operation since 1995 or so. The first of them finally died this month, after 7 years on the job up 24/7.

      On the other hand, I have Maxtor and WD drives giving me trouble after only 2 years..

      They don't build them like they used to, that's my conclusion.

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  30. Ti PowerBook by phriedom · · Score: 2

    I gotta admit, hearing all the exhuberant stories of people who switched to OS X and found that computers were fun again and that everything really Just Works, really got to me. I can't remember the last time I plugged something in and it just worked. Now I want one, but I can't figure out what it could do that I can't already do with my trusty old desktop that would be worth $2k investment in hardware and software.

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    1. Re:Ti PowerBook by Graff · · Score: 2

      I will admit that I am a long-time Mac user and am probably biased about their products. That being said, I have long looked at laptops as being generally not worth getting given the price/performance ratio compared to that of a desktop machine.

      However, I was lucky enough to be able to borrow a Ti Powerbook from work for the past few weeks and I absolutely love the machine! The screen is large and beautiful, the machine is fast and responsive, the form factor is slim and easy to carry around. Everything is very well integrated, from the built-in Airport, to the slot-lading DVD player, to the plethora of ports in the back. It even plays 3D games decently, although I know there are plenty of desktop systems that can display 3D stuff better.

      So now I'm looking at my desktop PowerMac G4 and I'm wishing that the machine was obsolete so that I could justify ditching it and getting a TiBook for myself. I definitely would recommend that people get the Ti PowerBook instead of a desktop machine if you don't need the expansion slots of a desktop box.

    2. Re:Ti PowerBook by alouts · · Score: 2
      You know what it does? It looks cool. Even though I'm sure most here would deny it, since it goes against all of a geeks instincts, but for many people, style is a significant factor in their choice of computer.

      You can argue the merits of one versus the other 'til the cows come home, but when people care about how fashionable their computer makes them look, they choose macs. It gives them an automatic in with the trendy designers and artists that they so badly want to emulate, and it makes them feel different and special for rebelling against Microsoft, without needing any of the geek skills to run linux.

  31. Chinese could dominate google by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 2


    As I understand it, one of the ways to get a higher rating with Google is to have lots of links to your site. If the Chinese population get busy producing their own websites, the amount of cross-linkage they could do would ensure their entries coming at the top of every search. Eventually, the Chinese government wouldn't have to worry about their people finding western sites, because they'll be so far down the list that the users will get bored of going through them.

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    1. Re:Chinese could dominate google by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 2

      It's not foreign sites they're worried about, it's non-conforming sites. They want absolute power to decree what can and can't be on the Internet, no matter who is putting it there, Chinese, American, whoever. Here's hoping they don't succeed.

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  32. the only use for maxtors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just recently bought maxtor. Four of them in fact, the 160GB ones. Had I completely lost my mind? No, I was assembling a RAID. I think that's where these drives belong - where failure does not cause catastrophy. By the time these fail, (and I'm very sure they will) they will quite possibly be out of warranty, but at that point I won't really care. I'll just buy another one and slap it in and toss the old one in the can. Anything worth keeping that can't be RAIDed is stored on a Seagate or one of the pre-maxtor-buyout Quantums.

  33. Re:Good old slashdot. by Wesley+Everest · · Score: 3, Informative
    Uh, I remember a few things from history class, like: Trampling on the 1st Ammendment in times of war is long-honored American tradition. Of course, just because censoring the internet is no worse than things done in the past by the U.S. government, that does not mean that the U.S. government will do it. It may be paranoid to think that the U.S. government will do it, but it would be delusional to think that the U.S. government is above doing such things.
  34. Paranoid vs Delusional by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Our country is going to do this" is an example of being paranoid.

    "Our country would never do this" is an example of being delusional.

    Just for clarity's sake.

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    The enemies of Democracy are
  35. Density is king. by tlambert · · Score: 2

    Density is king.

    Never mind that modern hard disks are unreliable pieces of crap, or that IBM moved to a glass substrate that they never got to work quite right, so they sold off their entire hard disk division to Hitachi to scrape the mess off their shoe...

    You can store more on them! Yea! Whoopie!

    And then you can't back them up. But don't worry, you can back them up by buying another hard drive, which you can't bck up!

    And figure out some way to store it off site, the way you used to store tapes off site. Except you pretty much have to buy some seriously expensive glue hardware, because IDE cables can't be more than a foot or so long before they start trashing your data, even without the help of a substandard hard drive.

    In related news, I hear that for what it costs for a house on 1/8th of an acre in the rich part of towm, you can buy 100,000 acres of land bordering Love Canal or Three Mile Island. Yeah, the land is crap, but look how much you get!

    -- Terry

  36. What about "Fit for Purpose" by StArSkY · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In Australia, Under the trade practices act, a product has to be fit for purpose. If all our tax laws for depreciation etc are based around a 3 year time frame for computer parts, then the Australian Consumer watchdog may well argue that the product must be designed to meet that purpose.... this argument has already started, with the ACCC looking into mandating certain products having certain length warranties....

    Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

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    lounge around on the blue couch
    1. Re:What about "Fit for Purpose" by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would a three-year warranty double the cost of the drive? At worst all you have to do is send a replacement drive to everyone who claims - plus a small amount in costs for handling and postage. Suppose ten per cent of the drives fail within three years, compared to five per cent within one year. Then extending the warranty from 1 to 3 years would add about 5% to the price.

      It could only double the price if a huge proportion of drives failed in three years!

      This is why a long warranty is a good thing. The manufacturer is saying, I'm confident that not many drives will fail during the warranty period, and I'm prepared to put my money where my mouth is. It's like the manufacturer placing a bet that few drives will fail. If the manufacturer is confident enough to do that, then it's likely to be a well-made product.

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      -- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
    2. Re:What about "Fit for Purpose" by MrResistor · · Score: 2

      At worst all you have to do is send a replacement drive to everyone who claims - plus a small amount in costs for handling and postage.

      Excuse me? You obviously have absolutely no idea what you're talking about!

      First, you have the cost of the phone support person, even if they are just there to say "no problem, just send it in, here's the address". That would be absurd, however, since over 90% of the time the problem is that the user doesn't know what they are doing and no amount of part replacement will ever fix that.

      Then you have the basic replacement costs, which you mentioned.

      Then you have the tech who tests the returned part to see if, and perhaps how, the part is bad. This info is hopefully used by engineering to improve the product. Meanwhile, the part is being refurbished, retested (if it was actually bad), and either sold as a refurbished part or put into customer service stock to send out as replacements.

      A warranty return can easily cost the manufacturer 3-10 times the retail price of the part.

      And yes, I do work in customer service. I'm one of the techs that tests the RMA'd parts.

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    3. Re:What about "Fit for Purpose" by MrResistor · · Score: 2

      Once again, the reduction of warranty periods has nothing to do with design or "fitness for purpose". The MTBF numbers are more than ample to show that.

      It has everything to do with reduced margins (the amount of money a company actually makes on a sale). IBM got out of the consumer HDD business because the margins are razor thin. Warranties cost money, and the longer the warranty period the more it will cost REGARDLESS OF MTBF. A basic understanding of statistics would explain why that is so.

      Basically, if Australia mandates that HDDs must have longer warranty periods in Australia, HDDs will have to be more expensive in Australia. That's the bottom line.

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      Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
    4. Re:What about "Fit for Purpose" by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2

      I take your point about the phone support costing money, even if the returns policy is generous. But I still think that tripling the price of the drive to allow for two extra years of warranty is a bit much. Maybe it was just an exaggeration. (Suppose a warranty return costs 5x the price of the drive: then if there's a 5% failure rate - very high - that amounts to a 25% overhead on each unit sold. Not a tripling.)

      Yes, it costs money to have the techs look at why the part went bad, but I'd consider that money well spent. It's not a downside of having longer warranties that you get the opportunity of examining the failures - it's a benefit. Although if you are worried about the cost you could just throw away all faulty, returned drives.

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      -- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
    5. Re:What about "Fit for Purpose" by MrResistor · · Score: 2

      I agree with all of your points except the last one. Throwing stuff away costs money, too. Besides, if you're just going to throw stuff away without testing it, why have the customer send it back at all? And if the customer doesn't have to send it back, or if you aren't testing returns to see if they are actually bad, what's to stop the customer from just calling you up and getting a new HDD every month for no reason? Hello sky-rocketing warranty cost!

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    6. Re:What about "Fit for Purpose" by MrResistor · · Score: 2

      If the customer wants to do that every month, fine by me :-P.

      Sure it's fine by you, you aren't the manufacturer who actually has to pay the costs of warranty replacement. Under the system you describe drives would have to cost 2 or 3 times as much just so the manufacturer could cover the cost of all the arbitrary replacements.

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      Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
    7. Re:What about "Fit for Purpose" by MrResistor · · Score: 2

      I understand perfectly what you are saying, it is you who are not understanding what I am saying.

      Having to do anything at all with the drive costs money, period. The problem is that the company only makes money on the innitial sale. Every refurb, test, replacement, whatever after the innitial sale eats away at the profit margin. In fact, just by accepting the return they've already demolished their profit margin on that one part many times over.

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    8. Re:What about "Fit for Purpose" by MrResistor · · Score: 2

      Surely you agree that some monkey getting a drive in the post and sending back a replacement (with optionally some techs in the background to run a few automated tests on the returned unit) is cheaper than a more rigid returns policy?

      I don't agree. If it were cheaper that's what companies would be doing already, and I'd be out of a job. Testing, while expensive in it's own right, is essential to keep costs down. If you just replace everything with no questions asked then the company is bearing the cost for all sorts of things it should never have to.

      If the drive fails on it's own, then yes, I agree the company should replace it at no charge. However, if the drive failed because the user plugged the cable in backwards[1], or because the user submerged it while it was running, or dropped it 5 meters onto concrete, then no, it's completely unreasonable to expect the company to bear that cost.

      Of course if every customer decided to have a big warranty-fest and send back lots of perfectly working disks (getting other working second-hand disks in exchange) then it could be a bit of a drain. But I don't believe that is likely.

      Once again, you've obviously never worked in customer service. I would say that roughly a third of callers absolutely refuse to beleive that the problem was caused by anything they did, even though that is fairly obviously the case, and will demand a replacement no matter what, with another third being reasonable people who will follow the phone techs directions to a resolution, and the remaining third result in a return. Bear in mind that my company produces very high end, non-consumer digital video production systems, so our caller quality is unusually high (as is the quality of our phone support). A consumer oriented company is likely to have less than 10 percent of calls warrant a return (though the beligerant caller percentage seems to hold steady).

      Anyway, only about half of the product that gets returned to my company is actually bad. Sometimes we know that from the start, for example recently a customer decided that he didn't trust the older power supply revisions in our RAID units and demanded that they all be replaced with rev6 or higher. Obviously that wasn't a warranty replacement, but he did get a price break on the exchange. Another customer replaced all his power supplies after his building was hit by lightning. Again, acts of God are never covered by warranty, but he couldn't afford to not be sure so he replaced them. Only 2 out of 12 were actually damaged.

      The basic problem with your theory is that you are assuming that the customer is right. This is not a philosophy that is held in customer service because more often than not it simply isn't the case, and when talking about consumer products, as we are in this general discussion, it isn't the case the vast majority of the time. For most consumer electronics companies a no questions replacement policy would increase their number of replacements by at least an order of magnitude.

      [1] This isn't a problem for desktop drives, it simply won't work. But, if you plug the cable for a laptop drive backwards you will certainly burn up the cable, probably damage the electronics on the drive, and possibly burn up your motherboard and maybe some peripheral cards (I've seen it happen).

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  37. Re:Honestly by Scrameustache · · Score: 2

    Well, Sadam is the new Castro. Painted as eviler than satan, and yet still in power and popular.
    Whenever the US government needs to distract its sheep...er..people, they have a Bad Guy they can point to and say "Ohhh! Evil! Bad! Ooohhh! Grrr! Nasty!" so people stay content and consent to whatever it was that the government wanted to sneak by them.

    China, on the other hand, is a real threat. The day china decides to go at war, the world will shake. So it wouldn't be wise to piss 'em off too much.

    Governments lie, politicians lie, and they do it all the time. If you want to understand their motivations, ask yourself where the profit goes.

    /cynicism

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    You can't take the sky from me...

  38. Re:Who needs a warrenty? by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 2

    We won't have as "big as we need" when people notice how much space they have and switch from MP3 to SHN and from DIVX to straight DVD rips...

    Tim

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  39. Wow, did you see the pic of Gates? by los+furtive · · Score: 2

    That MS article is worth it for the picture alone!

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    I'm a writer, a poet, a genius, I know it. I don't buy software, I grow it.

  40. It's actually a good thing. by dfenstrate · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nasa officials reportedly hope that it will impact the moon.
    Why? so they can use the seismec event of the impact to chart the interior of the moon. During the Apollo missions, NASA left three or so sensor suites on the moon- AES I think they were called- to monitor "moonquakes" and other things of scientific interest. They were turned off in the late 70's, but there's some hope that they can be reactivated for this event.
    If they are unable to reactivate the AES's, they can still do some measurements from here.

    Sorry, I'd offer a link if I could, but I stumbled across the article somewhere on the internet.

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    Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
    1. Re:It's actually a good thing. by AJWM · · Score: 2

      They were turned off in the late 70's, but there's some hope that they can be reactivated for this event.

      Reactivated how? They gonna send up someone (or a robot) to toggle the on-off switch? The receivers are turned off, too.

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    2. Re:It's actually a good thing. by AJWM · · Score: 2

      turned off in the NASA sense doesn't mean completely turned off.

      In this case it probably does. In the mid/late 1970s, when the ALSEPs were turned off, NASA was doing a very thorough job of nuking anything that had anything to do with Apollo to ensure that all funds went to Shuttle. I'm sure I've read that they were turned off in such a way that they couldn't be turned on. I could be wrong, but I suspect there's about as much chance of switching the ALSEPs back on as there is of erecting and launching the Saturn V lawn ornament at KSC.

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    3. Re:It's actually a good thing. by srvivn21 · · Score: 2

      You'd offer a link if you could? Try the one that is already offered: http://www.msnbc.com/news/807219.asp.

      Your post is actually a very nice summary of the article. Huh...

  41. Subscription Licensing by Erpo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the article:
    "People think of software as a CD in their computer which they can use forever and a day. They're not used to having to reactivate the product after 12 months."

    "I think we've learned that the market isn't ready for this type of service. There's value in it but we need to do some thinking around how we market and position it."


    Translation:
    We tried and failed. Once we manipulate people into believing information can be rented, we'll try again.

    Slashdotters, this is not a victory.

    1. Re:Subscription Licensing by tupps · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know if this is a victory or not for Slashdotters, but the more stringent Microsoft licensing becomes the more people will be driven to open source products. Now the subscription license was a pretty good deal. In Australia the Office XP Pro Subscription was ~$350, now a upgrade to Office XP Pro from Office 2000 pro is $645, and the full version is $1120. So that means that you could pay the subscription for what is effectively a third of the cost of the full product or just under half the upgrade. Considering that M$ is now upgrading office every 18 months that is a pretty good deal, especially if you don't have office already.

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    2. Re:Subscription Licensing by tupps · · Score: 2

      However the harder that Microsoft makes it and now that Microsoft "checks up" on the software that is being installed has made people choose different things. I cannot beleive that people are willing to buy a $1000 (Aussie Dollar) computer and then spend more than that on Office XP Pro ($1200 AUD). However the work of the BSAA (Bus Software Assoc Australia) has put the frighteners on enough people to want to get legitimate with there software. I think you will see more and more people choose products like OpenOffice & StarOffice because they do nearly everything that they want.

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    3. Re:Subscription Licensing by tupps · · Score: 2

      We get databases from clients that are in Access 2002 (aka Office XP). Access 2002 unfortunately was the only product which is not binary compatible with the older versions. However once 1 person goes to the new version of office then everyone else needs to as well. However some of the XML export and import features are also quite usefull.

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  42. Re:Honestly by istartedi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doesn't the Chinese government retain power with popular soverignty? If so, why do they need to censor things

    While it's true that governments ultimately derive their just power from the consent of the governed, it can take a bloody long time for the governed to give consent, or for the government to derive just power.

    The same thing could be said of America, which had a really tough time with the Brittish prior to 1776, and well past 1812. Many lived their entire lives within the period of conflict between government and governed, with no real justice. Even longer if you were Black or NA Indian.

    If we're so damn worried about the Iraqi regime, why aren't we equally worried about China's current regime

    We are. It's just that Nixon decided to play China against the Soviet Union. Later, the policy became one of "constructive engagement". The argument goes that by trading and relating with the Chinese, we are more likely to influence their culture and ultimately liberate their people--hence the complaints about American hegemony from some Chinese. For such a large country, there may be no other practical solution. What do you want? A potentially nuclear conflict with China?

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  43. Why they should/should not be responsible. by Aloekak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But still, aren't they legally responsible if they put out a shoddy product?

    Let's compare this to cars. But first, I need to clarify your question.

    Do you mean that if you buy it and it just breaks, are they responisble for the data? I hope you don't mean that. If a company buys a delivery truck and it just breaks down, the seller doesn't owe what the company is losing while it's getting repaired. The warranty(if within the period) will cover the cost of the labor and/or parts, but it will certainly not cover loss of time.

    If you mean that if the HD company produces a bad product, are they liable for it? Let's compare to vehicles again. In the auto business, they're called lemons(among other things). Without getting into the specifics of recalls, etc., the broken vehicle would get repaired like it was under warranty(probably still is), but you still wouldn't expect to receive any compensation for loss of time. The only way to get a possible compensation would be to take legal action, hopefully with other people in the same position.

    So basically, sure if they produce a shoddy product, you can surely take legal action to get compensation for the loss of data. To get anything in return, though, you'd better have other people on your side.

    Oh yea, you might also want to provide a good reason why it's more cost effective to persue legal action rather than to back up properly in the first place.

    1. Re:Why they should/should not be responsible. by mkldev · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If a company buys a delivery truck and it just breaks down, the seller doesn't owe what the company is losing while it's getting repaired.

      Actually, under certain circumstances, it does. It isn't uncommon for dealers (at least in rural areas) to give someone a "loaner" car while their vehicle was being repaired if the repair was expected to take more than a day.

      Now, part of that is a belief that people are more likely to buy things in the future from a dealer that treats their customers with respect. But not all states allow for limitation of liability in the case of loss of business due to defects in manufacture, particularly if lemon laws come into play. And, of course, you won't know if the car is a lemon until it has been repaired several times, at which point the dealer can't go back in time and give them a loaner for the previous repairs....

      California, for example, explicitly allows for recovery of consequential damages in the case of a lemon. Which might work for a delivery truck, particularly if the dealer doesn't provide a loaner.

      For a hard drive, though, it would be extremely difficult to prove that you couldn't reasonably protect yourself from such a loss, which as best I can tell, is one of the requirements. In short, with a hard drive, you might be able to get consequential damages for the loss of productivity while the drive is being repaired, but it seems unlikely that you'd be able to get money for the loss of data unless you could prove that the company shipped defective drives with malice of forethought, and maybe not even then.

      Caveat Emptor, IANAL.

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  44. Remember Tiannamen? by reallocate · · Score: 3, Informative

    China is not a democracy. The Chinese government exists by virtue of the Chinese Communist Party's military victory in 1949, not by any sense of popular electoral will or sovereignty. As a one-party state buttressed by military power, they cannot risk the free flow of information among the Chinese people. Hence, their attempts to control access to internet sites. This is completely in keeping with the Chinese government's and the Chinese Communist Party's traditional control of media and information.

    Governments seldom engage in rash acts to improve the lot of people in other countries. They commonly act in what they believe is in the interests of their country and themselves. That is what governments do; it is naive to imagine otherwise. The oppression of human rights in China is wrong, but that fact does not pose an immediate threat to the U.S. In any case, what would be gained for the U.S. to threaten military action against China?

    The Bush administration believes Iraq does pose a threat to the U.S., citing Saddam Hussein's behavior pattern with considerable justification. This includes invading Kuwait, gassing his own countrymen, launching a war on Iran that cost more than one million lives, creating and using a vicious internal secret police, etc. In particular, there's little convincing evidence that Saddam would not use nuclear weapons if he had them. China has had nuclear weapons for decades and has acted responsibly vis-a-vis those weapons. You will find very few people -- inside and outside the U.S. Government -- who believe Saddam would behave equally responsibly.

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  45. Re:Apollo? by tupps · · Score: 2

    Think about it: The rocket is travelling toward the moon at 10000 mph. A charge is fired that shoots the booster away from the main command module at 100 mph. Therefore the spent rocket is travelling at 9900 mph. Remember when you see the video of the rocket ejection that the camera is mounted on the main rocket and is travelling quite quickly.

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  46. OpenVaporWare? by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I guess I don't really see what the news is here. MIT has been saying for a long time that they'd do this in the future. Now we have a news flash saying that they're going to do this in the future. What's the news? The fact that the future keeps getting closer?

    And assuming it does happen, what's the big deal? It's a system under which MIT profs can voluntarily put their course materials online. Gazillions of schools have servers and let their profs put their course materials online voluntarily. And the word "open" would seem to imply information that's free as in speech, but what they're doing is only free as in beer. There's nothing wrong with making information free as in beer, but there's nothing special about it either --- the whole World-Wide Web is free as in beer.

    1. Re:OpenVaporWare? by Jonathan · · Score: 2

      It isn't just "free as in beer" -- they encourage reuse -- from the FAQ.

      We do hope that faculty at colleges and universities around the world will use these materials to develop new curricula and specific courses, and that individual learners will draw upon the MIT OCW materials for self-study or supplementary use.

  47. It's Only 54 feet Long by reallocate · · Score: 2

    Umm..it's about 54 feet long, and hollow. The moon is about 2100 miles in diameter and pretty solid. I think it can take the jolt.

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  48. Re:Honestly by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Iraq never honored the terms of the truce of the Gulf War, Saddam never ceased the WMD programs, never honored the no-fly zones, never allowed inspectors in. The stupid ass shell-games he played with the weapons inspectors when they were there, and no doubt he'll play again, don't count.

    Simply put, the US has every legal right to go back in and remove Saddam. He's masterminded (failed) plot to assasinate George Bush Sr. The fact that he's an idealogue maniac, willing to test gas agents on his own people, use them as human shields, fund terrorists, hand a briefcase of anthrax to al queda, or any other nightmare scenarios gives the US a moral right to do so.

    In fact, I see it as an ethical obligation to do so. What do you think Saddam would do if he was diagnosed with a terminal illness tomorrow, and had nothing to lose? Would he think about his citizens (the ones he gassed and used as human shields) when he hands over his arsenal to muslim extremists to get revenge on the big evil US?

    And, the US is equally concerned with Chinas regime, though the only course we have with them at the moment is diplomacy and economic pressure.

    And it has had an effect. China has come along way since Tianemen Square. Westerners now regularly visit the country, Hong Kong has a budding capitalist economy, pressures from western groups are changing the way the peasants view their own freedoms, or lack thereof.

    China will change eventually the same way the Soviet Union did. Their system doesn't work. We don't need to strongarm them, it'll happen naturally. Just not overnight. Leave it to the Chinese, and offer whatever assistance they ask for.

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  49. Umm, "passive seismometer"? by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Funny
    "These nuclear-powered ALSEPs also included a passive seismometer. The Passive Seismic experiment used four extremely sensitive seismometers to measure lunar surface vibrations, free oscillations and tidal variations in surface tilt."

    Passive as opposed to what? An active seismometer with giant hammers: "Wakey wakey Moon! Hello, this is your alarm-call!"

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    1. Re:Umm, "passive seismometer"? by alienmole · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Passive as opposed to what? An active seismometer with giant hammers

      Yeah, that's pretty much it - one of the ones used on Apollo missions was called a Thumper. Then there were the mortars which lobbed explosive charges, after the astronauts had taken off. See this or this.

      They used active seismometers to do things like measure the depth of the regolith, i.e. the layer of mostly loose rock fragments and sand/dust that make up the outer mantle of the moon (and the Earth for that matter). The moon's regolith was found to be about 35 feet deep in the places they measured, compared to 300 feet in some parts of the Earth.

  50. Re:Good old slashdot. by Markus+Landgren · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Trampling on the 1st Ammendment in times of war is long-honored American tradition.

    And now that Bush has chosen a war that can neither be won nor lost, the US is closer than ever to the concept of "constant warfare" as practiced by Ingsoc's Oceania.

  51. TiBook is great , but look to the iBook by Trotsky820 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was planning on buying a TiBook for a while, but after a lot of reflection and consideration of job security, (I work in telcom) I decided that the iBook was a better choice. The cost saving over the TiBook is substantial and the performance is more than adequate as long as you don't plan on playing a lot of graphic-intensive FPSs or doing a lot of video encoding on a daily basis. Just make sure you buy one of the latest iBook models with the Radeon chipset; the earlier ones don't take advantage of 'Quatz extreme', which gives a substantial boost to percieved speed in everyday use.

  52. It's not the magnetic stability... by NerveGas · · Score: 3, Insightful


    It's the old adage:

    "good, fast, cheap - pick any two."

    Any engineer will tell you that he can give you any tolerances you want, it's a matter of how much you want to spend. In this case, the issues are:

    1. Bearings. You're going to spin that platter at 15,000 RPM 24 hrs. per day for years on end? At nearly 10 BILLION rotations per year, if you want reliability, those bearings had better be preeeeety good. And that means - more money.

    2. Platter surface. Same as above. You want to spin that thing around thirty or fourty billion times with the heads nothing more than maybe a thousandth of an inch away? Better be awfully tough stuff, and it better be permanently bonded to the platter. Oh, wait - you're going to bump and kick your computer while it's on, aren't you? How good for the platter surface (or the heads) will those collisions be? Better coating, better heads: More money.

    3. Electronics. Drives get HOT. You want your electronics to last a long time? They better be made for high-temp operation. That means.... yep, more money.

    In the end, each company has had to ask itself this:

    "Will we spend more money on quality drives, and hope that customer recognition pays off, or will we skimp a little here and there, and sell them by the boat-load?"

    You can guess which one they've chosen. Why did they choose it? You guessed it... more money.

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  53. Re:HD Warrenty by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2
    I've got and old 4-Gig drive in my secondary machine.. The drive in my *BSD firewall is an 500meg unit (guess how old it is). Dropping warranties (as the headline said) implies that drives have little hope of lasting that long (or, rather, they have a much higher probability of dying long before that).

    I guess it shouldn't be that big a shock... As we get closer and closer to physical limits, I can see it becoming harder and harder to guarantee that a unit will stay within specs.
    It would make sense that somebody is going to hit the wall first -- most likely those thau put less work into quality control,

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  54. Re:Sizeable? by Detritus · · Score: 2

    Apollo used the SNAP-27. It carried 3.8 kilograms of Pu238, for a power output (electrical) of 70 watts. Pu238 is an extremely expensive material, roughly several thousand dollars per gram.

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  55. Words that trigger chinese 5 minute blackout by Alsee · · Score: 2

    Internet connection dropped for five minutes if they enter "politically sensitive" keywords, such as the Chinese president's name

    Based on a statisical anaylisis of the words most likely to appear in a politically sensitive document, these words also trigger a 5 minute blackout.

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  56. The Dao of the bicycle commute by demo9orgon · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the quality and quantity of the comments in this thread, I can tell most people who have read it and replied are not cyclists. Probably drive SUV's too. :-D

    I'm going to roll a reply to a previous comment about someone being afraid to ride. What anyone who commutes by bicycle has to do is simply understand natural law...not the crap that "the man" has beat us over the head with, or the things we've learned from Warner Bros. cartoons. Natural law implies that when a 1/4 hp., sub 300lb. vehicle is occupying the desired space of a semi-hairless primate(bored, anxious, distracted) behind the wheel of a 2+ton moving block of metal and plastic that the union of these two systems will result in some really nifty physics...often to the physical detriment of the previous occupant, and the slightly higher premiums of the second. Simply put, always consider yourself invisble to the vehicles unless you make eye-contact and recieve non-verbal acknowledgement from the motorist. Having done that, the cyclist has only to understand natural law and human stupidity to enjoy their commute.

    And with that out of the way, onto the good stuff.

    I have been commuting by bicycle since 1988, and I only have a car because my kids are still too young and stupid and my wife has a bad knee, otherwise the whole whining lot of them would be on bikes (everyone in the family has a bike).

    Bravo to you sir for giving your previous nag a new home. My recommendation is a multi-vectored approach to getting a good bicycle. You have to consider the bike shops in your area, and look for a franchise, like Cycle Spectrum (but not necessarily them, because other bike-shop franchises exist, I just don't remember them now). There's a good chance that both regular shops and esp. franchises have what they consider a less stylish, less trendy bikes taking up space they would rather fill with faux shocks and bad alloys and other candy to attract the unwary. These bikes are usually going for about $300, which in sales terms is an impulse purchase for someone who wants something useful.If you can find a simple hybrid--a style that no longer sells like hotcakes--make sure it's nothing hard to maintain like shocks. Look for grip-shift,with quick-release hubs front and rear, and get yourself a blackburn mtn rack. Most of the time a shop-keeper will feel your love for the bike and in a synergistic desire to sweeten the deal will almost impulsively add it as a perk. That rack will hold two good u-locks (that's one of the best kept secrets in the business--enjoy), which are invaluable if you have to tether the beastie outside the workplace. However, if you really love your horse, you'll whine-bitch-plead and maybe even argue intelligently to bring it into the building with you. If you love it, bring it inside.

    If your commute takes you through suburban areas filled with bored kids or goatheads, you need to invest in a bit of SLIME. It's green, it costs a bit, but unlike the wannabe competitors products(cough-mucous-cough), slime will not let you down unless the laws of physics require it to. You also need high thread-count nylon tires. Slicks or invert treads have less rubber and are reinforced with a lot of nylon threads. When shopping for tires, take one down and open it up and see how dense the threads are. You should also invest in 4.5mil thick thorn-proof tubes. Schwinn, and Bontrager and some other companies import and repackage/resell these. Combined with the slime and good tires there's a chance you will only have to walk a little before reinflating the tire. I've often pulled some really evil stuff (nails, glass, industrial staples, plant thorns) out, spun the wheel for a minute and still had enough pressure to make it home.

    Another point to consider when buying a good bike is not so much the up-front cost of the bike (top-ramen is your friend), but the kind of service and warranty a shop will provide you. For a franchise, sometimes this is free tune-ups and labor for the life of the beastie. Granted, the shop you bought the bike from will change hands like a 30yr mortgage, you'll still have your bike taken care of. Usually what happens with the cheap kit is that within a week after you've purchased it, everyting flexes and stretches a bit...it's supposed to. However, Walmart, or whatever-mart isn't responsible for those changes. A bike shop is.

    Another thing to consider is the way you approach the gearing. The more you move through your gears, the faster you wear your drive train. There's a simple way to look at wear-and-tear here: If you like to pedal like mad (and think you're a porsche) and go through your gears, making more than three or four gear changes until you're cruising, then don't expect to stay in tune. You're much better off being in the biggest chainring (front gear) during the warm months, and at least starting off in the middle chainring when it's colder, and then figuring out the best place to start with the cog. YMMV depending on the commute. I have my bike tuned only once every few years...I've had it five years and I put over 4500+ miles are year on it just commuting year round. I start out in 17th gear and go up to 19th, only to the highest gears two gears when I'm spinning fast to get in to work because I'm late (or because I'm chasing a pack of spandex goddesses for a quick double-wammy: endorphins and a pheromone fix-heheheh)

    I wish you happy hunting--don't buy at the first shop you go into! (been there, done that)p

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    1. Re:The Dao of the bicycle commute by Fastball · · Score: 2
      Thanks for the tips, and yes, I do drive an SUV. A 1989 Jeep Cherokee. Rolled off the assembly line well before anyone rolled out the anti-SUV sentiment. So, neener neener neener! ;)

      Chalk up that first bike to inexperience. I was told, "Don't buy a cheap bike," I ignored that wisdom, and I paid for it. Hopefully some bloke happens upon the bike and gives it a good home. As for my next bike, I've been scanning eBay, checking out some bike manufacturer's websites (e.g. Klein, Trek, Cannondale, Motobecane, Schwinn), and plan on visiting a local bike shop this weekend. One poster suggested looking for older Schwinns for their durability, and I just might do that. Definitely getting a road bike with good gear rather than a cheap mountain bike.

      I live no more than 1-2 miles from work, and I have favorable roads for bike riding to and fro. Yes, I do feel some guilt for driving that distance even though I only have to fill up once a month. I'd like to make that short bike ride a routine in addition to getting out for 10-15 miles most nights for general fitness. Potentially being my daily conveyance and workout, I promise not to go cheap with my bike again.

      Thanks for the input.

  57. Re:Honestly by JimPooley · · Score: 2

    He's masterminded (failed) plot to assasinate George Bush Sr

    Strangely enough I've just been listening to a Bill Hicks CD in which he says we (the US) should have assassinated Bush to send Saddam a signal "Don't fuck with us!".

    Of course, it was funnier when he said it...

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  58. Seagate Warranty by CyPlasm · · Score: 2, Interesting
    My company recieved this from a Seagate representative:
    September 12, 2002

    Dear Seagate Sales & Marketing Team,

    Beginning October 1, 2002, all Seagate® desktop and personal storage products will ship with a one-year limited warranty. This warranty change will affect all generations of products that are shipping today; if a product ships on or after October 1, it will be covered by the one-year warranty policy. This warranty change will not affect Seagate enterprise products. All other aspects of the Seagate warranty administration will remain unchanged.

    The new warranty policy will allow Seagate to remain a leading supplier in the highly competitive desktop disc storage market, delivering innovative, reliable, and cost-effective personal storage products. Seagate continues to incorporate state-of-the-art features, such as SoftSonicÔ fluid bearing motors, G-Force Protection, and other 3D Defense SystemÔ features, to ensure that its drives perform reliably in the field.

    If you have any questions regarding this change, please contact (named removed) at (number removed) or (name removed) at (number removed). A "Q&A" is provided below for further clarification.
    I didn't get the "Q&A" part of the email as this was forwarded to me by someone on our sales staff so I don't know what their reasons were.
  59. What good is a warranty? by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

    Really, what good is a warranty? When your data is gone, it is gone...no warranty will bring it back (ok ok, expensive data recovery techniques can be used, but it's not like the warrenty automatically raises the quality of the product).

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  60. Re:Honestly by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 2
    Simply put, the US has every legal right to go back in and remove Saddam. He's masterminded (failed) plot to assasinate George Bush Sr. The fact that he's an idealogue maniac, willing to test gas agents on his own people, use them as human shields, fund terrorists, hand a briefcase of anthrax to al queda, or any other nightmare scenarios gives the US a moral right to do so.

    Saddam's regime is heavily secular, and Saddam himself is nominally Sunni. Neither of these traits endear him to the fundamentalish Shiite terrorist types. He's funded anti-Iran terrorists (for obvious reasons) and some Palestinian terrorists (more as public-relations with the rest of the Arab world than because he actually cares).

    There is, at the moment, zero evidence that Hussein has worked with al Queda, and a lot of reasons to suppose that he wouldn't. Sure, all those Ay-rabs look the same to us patriotic Americans, but they do have differences.

    See, e.g. here, or here. So far as I can see, our government wants to attack Iraq because it knows how to attack armies, but has no clue how to go after mobile and decentralized terrorists.

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