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Cern Mass Produces Anti-Hydrogen
Izeickl writes "The BBC is reporting Here about scientists in the Cern particle accelerator in Geneva, Switzerland have mass produced over 50,000 atoms allowing them to test basic Physics using them, however "Harvard physicist Gerald Gabrielse said: "Our long experience with these very difficult experiments warns that antihydrogen may not have really been produced.""
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Well we could built an anti-computer out of anti-silicon, run anti-windows98 on it, then laugh when the whole thing explodes and blame it on microsoft :)
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then laugh when the whole thing explodes and blame it on microsoft
That would be anti-microsoft, or macrohard.
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Nature.com article(PDF)
home page of the experiment
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Surely then it wouldn't explode, it would just keep working for a very long time?
of course it will fall down.
it's anti-hyrogen, and hydrogen falls up, just ask Herr Hindenburg.
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We've found bacterial life from Mars... just kidding!
Jeez, these scientist guys need a hobby.
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I also have just mass produced over 50,000 antihydrogen atoms!
however "Harvard physicist Gerald Gabrielse said: "Our long experience with these very difficult experiments warns that antihydrogen may not have really been produced."
Also, _my_ long experience with antihydrogen tells me I may have not _really_ produced antihydrogen!
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Enough to actually get to see the antimatter production ring at Fermilab. Once or twice a year, they go into a maintenance shutdown and give small informal tours.
What used to be the main ring years ago is now the antimatter ring. The magnets were all upgraded to superconductors, and they added buncher/debunchers to the ring to squeeze protons together and apart which, every so often produces a stray anti-proton.
Cern is way ahead of Fermi in that they are producing full anti-atoms, whereas Fermi is only making anti-particles.
Definitely forget about efficiency in production, the guy giving the tour said their electric bill is about a million dollars a month, and they make very few anti-protons from all that power! I bet they're ComEd's best customer. They can't run during the summer air-conditioning months, as they would suck too much energy from the grid in Illinois.
The guide also said as long as the magnets stay supercooled, the anti-protons will stay suspended in the ring for up to a month (unless they hit stray matter and blow up sooner).
After the tour, we got to play stump the genius - one of the research physicists there was nice enough to give a Q & A session. A most informative and cool tour, getting to see something that most "civilians" never get to lay eyes on.
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Now, the Cern particle accelerator in Geneva, Switzerland, has produced more than 50,000.
Sooo, exactly how many hydrogen atoms are in a handful anyway? My first guess would be in the ballpark of "A hell of a lot more than 50k".
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It would fall down because it has the same mass as matter. Antimatter does not have negative mass. Instead, each particle has opposite charge. One antihydrogen atom is composed of an antiproton (negative charge, same mass as the proton), and a positron (positive charge, same mass as the electron).
On checking in which directory it falls, I think gravity is negligible compared to other forces at the particle level.
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It's clear at this point that the standard "SI" or metric system is no longer sufficient to describe the events in today's world. As such, the "PS", or "Pop Science" unit system is defined below for those interested by this handy guide
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Time Interval
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Number of Particles
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Width (small distances)
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Length (large distances)
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Volume
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When's it going to happen dammit? I'm dying here. My brother is like a bog in that he produces cubic FEET of methane on a daily basis. And I have been waiting for the day when somebody produces antimethane. Once someone has made antimethane I will put some of it in my brother's boxers and wait for the fireworks and subsequent explosion. Then I will get his room that bastard.
well, if they didn't really produce anihydrogen, then its gonna be even longer before they can produce antideuterium, so i guess were all gonna have to wait even longer for warp engines
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Making antiprotons requires 10 billion times more energy than it produces. For example, the antimatter produced each year at Cern could power a 100 watt light bulb for just 15 minutes.
10 billion lightbulbs! So, they used enough electricity to power a small city for a whole year and the result is....they might have been fooled into a false positive result. I am sure there are lots of better ways of using this power rather than chasing gold at bottoms of rainbows
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Harvard physicist Gerald Gabrielse said: "Our long experience with these very difficult experiments warns that antihydrogen may not have really been produced."
Meanwhile scientists at CERN say "The yanks are just jealous because we beat them to it."
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Actually in vacuum hydrogen would fall down. And those anti-matter particles are created in vacuum (held in place by strong electromagnets).. but they probably wouldn't "fall up", because the only thing that differs between particle and antiparticle is it's spin. (it's not really the speed particle is rotating at.. but more like internal momentum).
"We must stop these anti-hydrogen terrorists, I am informed that hydrogen is in things we use everyday like coke, and is even vital to Americans' survival. These people who are anti-hydrogen are anti-american and are seeking to destroy the very basis of our society, you can not be a friend of america if you are not a friend of hydrogen"
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The BBC is reporting Here about scientists in the Cern particle accelerator in Geneva, Switzerland have mass produced over 50,000 atoms allowing them to test basic...
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Wouldn't it be a bit more correct to say that that've been anti-mass-produced?
"Shit! Those pesky Swiss folks got there first. Quick, let's discredit them. After all, that's what professional scientists do."
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There's a simple and to-the-point description of Antihydrogen at the Wikipedia.
Bizarrely, the person responsible for the original submission is typing this sentence right now. Thankfully, brighter people have improved upon it somewhat since then... :)
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Find it odd that this was filed under toys? It'd certainly be the biggest most expensive toy on the market.
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You can tell they are anti-hydrogen because they all have little goatees and a really bad attitude.
because the only thing that differs between particle and antiparticle is it's spin
that's wrong, it's the electric charge that is opposite for particles and their antiparticles. The total spin (magnitude of spin) is the same for both and the actual spin vector is not a fixed property for a particle (except when it's zero).
This idea was invented by Shampoo.
While I say if the inspectors are there, tommorow, and can go anywhere they want (when they want) dont attack. I doubt this is really the case, there are U@ photographs from the last batch of inspectors showing truckload of equipment being moved hours before UN inspectors show up. Iraq is not holding up to its end of the bargin to end the 1991 Gulf war..
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for a handful the hand would have to be really, really small. By the way, has anybody thought about the fact that even if we could produce antihydrogen in large quantities, it would be pretty useless as a source of energy. Since its charge would be neutral, you couldn't contain it magnetically. You would have to use antiprotons or an anti-element with a positive or negative charge..
Library of Congress
Close to 80 terabits.
eye-blink
Equals 0.1 second. Yes, when you blink your eyes, you miss 10 whole frames of your precious Quake III. Would it be possible to detect closing of eyes and turn off rendering for a split second, giving those cycles to (e.g.) your niced distributed.net or Folding@home client?
handful
Depends on molar density (mol/L but not molarity because it isn't a solution). This is the only one I couldn't find a definite conversion factor for.
human hair
Close to 50 to 100 micrometers.
football field
Approximately 110 m, for both soccer and NFL football. Canadian fields are longer.
football stadium
NFL's Cleveland Browns play in a stadium with a volume of about 3 million cubic meters.
100-watt-lightbulb-second
Given that a watt of power is a joule of energy per second, this equals 100 joules. A kilowatt-hour equals 3.6 megajoules. A horsepower is about 750 watts, so a horsepower-hour is 2.7 megajoules.
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Assume 90 kg.
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"Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"Suspension between the superconducted charged magnets.
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If they get up to anti-oxygen can they make trace amounts of anti-water?
I thought we already had anti-oxygen... isn't that the stuff that gets rid of those free radical thingys that cause cancer?
Cern Mass Produces Anti-Hydrogen = "Our long experience with these very difficult experiments warns that antihydrogen may not have really been produced."
WTF. So even though they said themselves they are far from certain, you go ahead and post it as fact? Kudos to the editors too... Uhhhg...
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Reading the paper, I'd say the reason to be suspicious is that they seem to only have detected the radiation due to matter-anti-matter annihilation, with the requirement that an anti-proton and positron event happen at pretty much the same time and place. Then they use various comparisons to give additional confidence in the result.
However, as they say, they can't tell what quantum state these atoms are in.
Until they see [anti]hydrogen spectral lines, I'm not 100% sure they have real anti-hydrogen atoms; for now, I'd say 85% sure. Maybe Gabrielse knows of some ways that the same signature can be generated by other crap thrown around by the trapping and mixing processes.
Personally, I'm holding out for anti-helium. That'll make me sound like Barry White, right?
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One thing I've been wondering about anti-matter, does it have anti-gravity, which attracts other anti-matter but repels regular matter?
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