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One Woman's Fight to Save P2P

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the forlorn-hope dept.

jalefkowit writes "I'm a writer for the Online Community Report, and in our last issue we ran a story I wrote that might be of interest to the Slashdot readership. Slashdot has already mentioned the campaign of Tara Sue Grubb to unseat Howard Coble in North Carolina's 6th congressional district. We thought this story merited some deeper analysis, so I put together a piece entitled "Tara Sue Takes Aim" that ran in the latest issue of OCR. I'd love to hear the community's opinion of our take on the significance of her campaign."

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  1. Optimistic? Very. Interesting read nonetheless. by GreyDuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My take on it? Snowball's chance in hell. Not her fault, or Dave Winer's, just how it's going to play out. The piece is worth reading anyway, both for some choice rhetoric and a few bits of background info for those of us who aren't Radioland devotees or political pundits.

    All of those nationwide supporters aren't going to help unless they all have close friends and relatives in the district of contention, now are they? Combine that with the widespread voter apathy in this country and... feh.

    (Side note: The recent mail-in elections here in Oregon barely stirred the needle above "Total Apathy," even with parents who had very vested interests in the school funding measures! "Oh, the measures won't pass anyway, so I didn't bother." You said WHAT?!? Grrrr.)

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    1. Re:Optimistic? Very. Interesting read nonetheless. by testadicazzo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      All of those nationwide supporters aren't going to help unless they all have close friends and relatives in the district of contention, now are they? Combine that with the widespread voter apathy in this country and... feh.
      Well, I agree with you on the first point. But the second point: well, because of the widespread voter apathy in this country, you only have to get a small populatin of the people to actually give enough of a shit about an issue to get a victory. It makes it easier. So if you give a damn, vote!
    2. Re:Optimistic? Very. Interesting read nonetheless. by seven89 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      My take on it? Snowball's chance in hell. Not her fault, or Dave Winer's, just how it's going to play out.
      . . .
      All of those nationwide supporters aren't going to help unless they all have close friends and relatives in the district of contention, now are they?

      It isn't necessary to win an election in order to win one specific issue. If the funding and other support Grubb gets from bloggers is enough to enable her to capture, say, 20% of the votes, then Coble might decide that further services to the entertainment industry would be a political liabiliy.

      A "losing" campaign can also accomplish a great deal in terms of organizing -- getting people involved and enthusiatic and working together and learning about issues. This could lead to more powerful challenges in subsequent campaigns and perhaps, ultimately, victory at the polls.

      These days, most political campaigns are based on "big money" which is spent on TV ads, etc. But a true "grass roots" campaign can do enough on-the-ground, door-to-door work to make up for low levels of funding.

      If outside support merely buys some miniscule amount of local advertising, then it won't make much difference. If it used to support local organizing, e.g., to pay for flyers that campaign staff go door to door handing out, etc., then it might make a lot of difference.

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    3. Re:Optimistic? Very. Interesting read nonetheless. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately due to apathy you mentioned above, she will probably just tip the race to the liberal hollywood loving democrats. If enough people stand up then maybe she may make a difference but she will only steal votes from the more individualistic republicans.

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    4. Re:Optimistic? Very. Interesting read nonetheless. by einTier · · Score: 2
      Perhaps there's voter apathy because no one cares about the issues being discussed?


      Now, I know this is kind of a chicken and egg syndrome, but my generation (X) is constantly accused of not getting out and voting. Consequently, the politicians don't pay attention to us and don't appeal to things important to our lives.


      This last presidential election, there were two main candidates (yes, I know about Harry Browne, I voted for him), and as far as I was concerned, there was little difference between them. Oh, sure, there were small things, like Al Gore being contemptous and G.W. Bush being a bit slow on the uptake -- but on the issues I cared about, they seemed to be the same person.


      I heard endless debates about medicare and social security and I think education and tax cuts and the environment. First, I could care less about social security. I've been told since the day I was born that it wouldn't be there for me when I die. So, if it isn't there -- no big loss. If it is, great. Now, if you want to talk about giving me that money back now, I'm all ears. However, it was all just about where we're going to put that money and how much more they might need out of my paycheck -- and how it still might not be there for me. Wonderful.

      Next. Education. Tax cuts. Everyone loves education, everyone loves tax cuts. Everyone knows schools suck and they pay too many taxes. So, naturally neither candidate talked about how they were going to raise taxes or give students less education. Though there was much debate about this, essentially, they both want the same ends. Considering anything that gets done has to also pass Congressional approval, I don't think the methods are the important thing here -- what do you want to accomplish?


      Oh yeah, the environment. Now, granted, the environment isn't a big issue to me. I think that Bush is perhaps a bit too lax, and Gore a bit too militant, but in my world, it's definately a secondary issue.


      I didn't hear one word about the Drug War, about where all that tax money is going -- which is far greater than any tax cut, or how me might "win" or some alternate tactics to get more bang for our buck, or even if we might just call it a huge failure and scrap the whole project. No words on copyright issues. Nothing really about the internet or computers other than Gore's wonderful "I invented the internet." Nothing about campaign reform or the way that big business has their hands in everyone's pocket, not just the party you happen to hate, and that something needs to be done about it. Nothing about gun laws, which I know the two candidates differ on, but happens to be a very touchy subject. Nothing about scaling back military operations in other countries and focusing on where we're needed. Nothing about privacy laws or how we're making the constitution into toilet paper.


      No, we appeal to families and old people -- because these people vote. Avoid any hot topics or touchy issues because you might lose a vote or two, and besides, your opponent probably wants the same thing if it doesn't come down to the voters. Appeal to me, and I'll vote. Keep appealing to my parents and I'll never vote.

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  2. You know, you'd think with all the bitching we do by raehl · · Score: 5, Insightful
    We'd have a Political Action Committee. We're geeks, we're well paid, and there's about 250k of us who read this website daily. Even if we only averaged a $100 contribution each per year, that's still 25 million dollars annually. We could buy ourselves a good handful of key legislators with 25 million dollars, outlaw MS in government, protect business models that compete against RIAA and MPAA, and keep that bloody spam out of my mailbox.

    The NRA has huge amounts of political clout, and I'd like to think that geeks are at least as numerous, wealthy, intelligent and organized as gun owners. Maybe it's time we stopped bitching and got off our asses and did something about it?

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  3. Precedent for future campaigns... by Shalome · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All P2P issues aside, it's fascinating to think about what this form of campaigning means to the American public. Ponder for a second the legions of disaffected Americans who sit at their computers daily, reading blog after blog. Wouldn't you like to read a blog written by, say, your elected official? Not some slick press-release from the public relations branch of said official's staff, but an actual blog -- real thoughts and opinions. Would you be more inclined to vote? I hope to see more of this in the future. Most Americans don't vote because they feel so distanced from the political process, and from the politicians themselves. Most of us don't even really know the views of the people on the ballot (since we're all too smart and hip to buy into the media mudslinging and muckracking that campaigning has turned into.. right? RIGHT?) If more officials did something as courageous as putting their thoughts and opinions out there in the ether like Ms. Grub, can you imagine how the political process might change? Geeks might vote! Intelligent people might get elected, not just ones who can afford a good PR department! And wouldn't that make the world a better place?

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  4. A cultural revolution is happening by ites · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In "Ender's Game", Orson Scott Card depicted a world in which a few individuals could influence society simply through the power of their words, via the Net.
    Something like this is starting to take place. The online word is almost powerful enough to counter traditional political forces: the backroom politics arranged over a handshake and a drink.
    This fight is attracting those with an interest in P2P and the Net. Tomorrow's fights will be more broad based.
    But, please, someone find a better term than "Blogging"!

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  5. Has everyone written the Rep? by HerrGlock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Has everyone who is part of Tara Sue's campaign written, on paper, with envelope, Howard Coble to complain about the idea of MPAA or RIAA being able to hack at will?

    Congress tends to blow off email, like it or not, and pay a lot more attention to written letters and more even to handwritten letters outlining the person's stance on whatever issue.

    A quote that stuck with me from a Congress person's interview, "People don't contact their congressmen anymore. Hardly anyone writes letters, or even calls. As little as 12 letters has directly influenced the way I handle issues and represent the people... I can only assume if those dozen people care enough to write, there are thousands of people I am representing that care just as much, but never took the time to write."

    Write, write, write. Email, and call as well, but write. If the Rep then ignores the letters, then by all means set up an alternative for voting, but while the election is there, write as well.

    DanH

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  6. Cool, but could use more help... by netsharc · · Score: 2

    As much as we think you can't be more famous than when you're mentioned in Slashdot, not everybody reads this site. I think anybody who lives in or near her District and care about her goals should go out and help, print out posters and informational leaflets about her/her campaign and DDoS the real world with it. But ask her first if it'd be okay.

    Coble's website got nothing compared to hers, and looking at her photo doesn't scare me away either.

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  7. It's not about music, it's our PRIVACY stupid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a REPUBLIC my friends. My rights end where your rights begin.

    On P2P, Privacy rights far outweigh copyrights. There is always an alternative. Coble and Berman want to portray us as pirates because they know the average individual is smart enough to see this bill for what it is. Who's gonna listen to a pirate, right?

    I'm no pirate. I've never stolen anybody's eight cents. I'm protecting our right to privacy. I'm doing Mr. Coble's and Mr. Berman's job---pro bono! These boys need to head back to law school. They just don't get it.

    The Coble/Berman camp thinks Libertarians should support this bill. There are many issues surrounding P2P other than privacy and IP. If it passes, this bill will set a dangerous precedent for the future of our privacy. Show me a law that hasn't been abused by a lawyer and his client somewhere.

    There is another important point champions for free markets support. There are several extremely successful business models that have demonstrated the advantages in file sharing. Phish and the Grateful Dead are the two largest "cult" bands in history. They encourage their audience to share their music. They have record sales and performances. They have a real touch on what it means to participate in a free society.

    The goal of a free market is to weed out the weak. It's ridiculous for industries to yell "foul!" when a new industry hits the scene. It is not government's place to ensure any particular entity's market. That priviledge belongs to the consumer. In this case the consumer is telling the industry what it wants. Berman & Coble are saying they don't have to listen.

    The manner in which the entertainment industry has chosen to compensate for its weakness is beyond deplorable. I myself was the recent victim of a virus or hacker. These are very bad, but if you contribute to the Coble/Berman campaign, it's ok. These double standards are outrageous.

    Another issue is the trade off of privacy for protection. The author of "Let Hollywood Hack" (one of the articles on Mike's blog) James D. Miller, says:

    "While we should regret any loss of privacy, fighting crime often requires reducing the privacy rights of innocents. For example, our privacy is violated when we walk through a metal detector or are searched by airport security Indeed, NASA may soon even scan the brains of airline passengers in efforts to detect terrorists. Surely, scanning hard drives is far less objectionable than scanning brains."

    I am almost reluctant to respond to sophmoric arguments such as these. I am not convinced that the need to fight this crime outweighs our right to privacy. And I don't see that it ever could. Miller compares this issue to airport security, which of course is beyond ludicrous. First, lives are not at stake in P2P. Secondly, scanning a citizen's personal computer is far more intrusive than walking through a metal detector. Allowing Hollywood to arbitrarily hack into a PC, not knowing the user and actual perpetrator is unjustified. And third, comparing the scanning of hard drives to the future of privacy violations is senseless. Of course scanning hard drives is less objectionable than scanning brains, but that is not happening. A reasoned argument does not throw out some unrealized, futuristic possibility to shock and amaze in order to lessen the gravity of our situation.

    In addition to all of this, sacrificing privacy has not ensured one ounce of protection, it has merely provided the illusion of its existence. As we know, metal detectors don't stop terrorism. The P2P bill won't stop file sharing. In fact, it will increase any perceived loss and add to consumer contempt. This because two men hadn't the nerve nor the wit to protect the constitution and encourage good business. That is the real casualty.

    Libertarians aren't sell outs. That's why it takes so much of YOUR effort to put them into office and that's why I don't support this bill. It reaks of corporate favortism at Liberty's expense. And every person I talk to understands this.

  8. Re:You know, you'd think with all the bitching we by Shalome · · Score: 2, Informative

    No kidding. At LEAST become an "armchair activist" -- you can attempt to change the status quo from the comfort of your computer desk!

    Working for Change lets you e-mail the appropriate elected officials for your area. It's easy -- they provide a pre-written, customizable e-mail that you sign. Click send, and it automatically goes to your appropriate representatives. It also attaches your appropriate information (name, address, etc) so they can determine that you're actually a constituant (which is very important to elected officials).

    Usually, you'll get a snail-mail reply from the people you write to. It's kinda nice to get something in the mail besides bills, AND feel like you're helping a cause at the same time...

    That said....

    So when's a Slashdot reader gonna run for office?!? Unfortunately, I'm not quite old enough to run for President yet -- you have to be 35 and I'm about a decade short...

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  9. Elections via TV -- "American President" by Shalome · · Score: 2, Interesting

    CNN is running this story about an "American Idol"-like TV show to find a Presidential candidate. How's THAT for optimism?!?

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    1. Re:Elections via TV -- "American President" by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 2

      The sad thing is, this could be very successful. Politicians are already phony enough (boy do I sound like Holden Caufield), it wouldn't be much of a stretch. People don't want substance in their political leader. If you watch enough TV you probably don't even know what substance is.

      Presidential campaigns are practially American Idol today. Scripted trash read by shallow, pretty people.

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  10. Two-party system by photonic · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This might get the discussion a bit off-topic, but i think you should concentrate a bit more on the root cause that prevents getting this kind of sane people in congress instead of supporting a probably hopeless battle against big money.


    In my opinion this is the district-system. If votes are counted only in small regions that yield only one seat, you effectively create a two-party system. These two usually keep each other in close balance: you stay in power until you screw up and then the other party gets its chance for a few years.


    Here in Europe (except for England and France?), the votes are usually counted in the whole country (usually with a threshold of a few percent). Most countries therefore have a mix of parties (green, labour, liberal, christian, ...) which represents the general opinion more closely. This might also reduce the chance of big money influence.

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    1. Re:Two-party system by argoff · · Score: 2


      there is a good argument for encouraging a two party system, imagine a scenario like this ....

      liberal #1 party has 16% of voter support
      liberal #2 party has 16% of voter support
      conservative #3 party has 16% of voter support
      conservative #4 party has 16% of voter support
      neo nazi party #5 has 17% voter support
      neo nazi party #6 has 17% of voter support

      The neo nazi's win even if you have runnoffs, even though most the people hate them.

      BTW, I'm libertarian.

    2. Re:Two-party system by ryantate · · Score: 2

      Here in Europe (except for England and France?), the votes are usually counted in the whole country (usually with a threshold of a few percent). Most countries therefore have a mix of parties (green, labour, liberal, christian, ...) which represents the general opinion more closely.

      Yes, then those wonderfully diverse parties assume office and, in order to get anything done, must form coalitions with OTHER random parties, trading away all but the smallest shred of their platform in the process. You haven't ended compromise in politics (go figure), you have simply moved it upstream, away from the voters and into political backrooms. I think America's system works just fine.

      And why on Earth would we want to divorce money from politics? A man should be able to spend every last one of his pennies advocating whatever political cause he sees fit. And, not being a rich man, I am only going to be able to speak if I can accept pennies from others.

  11. Re:You know, you'd think with all the bitching we by devonbowen · · Score: 3, Informative
    The EFF is a good start. Are you a member? How many slashdot readers are? I've always wanted a poll done on that. The dues are only $75 per year.

    They even have a web site that makes it trivial for you to write your congress folk. They supply text which you can modify or rewrite entirely. They then look up your representatives according to your zip code and will send the text for you. Couldn't be simpler.

    So what are you waiting for?

    Devon

  12. Political muscle by octalgirl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Once again the Internet proves its power with regards to public communication and information. When the subject is right, peoples voices will be heard. She is getting much more publicity than my congressman, for that I am certain. How intriguing that through a simple electronic payment that was not easily conceived only a few years ago, that I can now offer support for someone who is not even in my district. The more she gets noticed, the more everyone standing up for our freedom of speech, online and off, gets noticed. A win for her, or at least a very public loss for her there, seems like it could benefit us all. The more her status gets raised, congress in every state will take notice. She seems somewhat of a net newbie, but many are voted into political office with little experience other than the desire to listen and act for the people.

  13. The potential for campaign reform by cat_jesus · · Score: 2

    I have often thought that when we finally get to the point where everyone is wired we should make some serious campaign reform. Creating a website is pretty cheap and we should restrict a candidate's campaign communication medium to a publicly offered website that the candidate or his staff can maintain. This would ensure a level playing field for all candidates and take much of the power away from the major corporations. Running a campaign wouldn't cost anything more than time to set up your website and the application fee so a candidate would not be obligated to seek funding for election and could spend time actually figuring out what his constituency's priorities were. Do you want to know who your canidatates are and what their positions are? Go to http://campaign.gov

    Of course restricting a candidates campaign medium would take a constitutional amendment but when the time is right that shouldn't be a problem. People were able to ratify a constitutional amendment banning alcohol. Once the critical mass is there on the internet it shouldn't be a problem coordinating an amendment movement.

    Cat

  14. Small population by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2

    It's not that small. Maybe 30% turnout? That's still only a third the normal number of Republicans.

    Maybe if she can get the Dems to climb on board...be a *moderate* Libertarian, villify Coble.

    Here's luck to her -- one Libertarian wouldn't upset the boat too much, and it would get a lot more attention given to online/tech types.

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    1. Re:Small population by dalassa · · Score: 2

      No offense, but if anymore out of state money/intrest is poured into my state's elections this year I think people are going to scream. We already have the damn President campaigning for Libby our wonderful prodigal daughter who's not been in NC since she became an adult.
      This years elections have already been screwed by the Republicans. The last thing I need to hear is about an "outsider" coming to "fix" things.

      Sorry for my rant, but I had to blow off some steam and give an insiders point of view.

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  15. Speaking of elections . . . by vegetablespork · · Score: 3, Informative
    . . . has anyone been able to get a straight answer from their U.S. Senator as to how he or she would vote on the CBDTPA (or other anti-digital freedom legislation) if it came to a vote today?

    My Senator, Jean Carnahan (D-MO), dodged the question with some flowery language about how she wanted "to encourage the adoption of broadband," which tells me she'd vote for it. (My letter was obviously opposed.)

    I just sent an email asking the question point blank to Sen. Carnahan, and also to her Republican challeneger, Jim Talent.

    Any reports from other states?

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    1. Re:Speaking of elections . . . by WCMI92 · · Score: 3, Informative

      "My Senator, Jean Carnahan (D-MO), dodged the question with some flowery language about how she wanted "to encourage the adoption of broadband," which tells me she'd vote for it. (My letter was obviously opposed.)

      I just sent an email asking the question point blank to Sen. Carnahan, and also to her Republican challeneger, Jim Talent."

      AFAIK, the only guy who has publically come out against what the RIAA is doing is Rick Boucher, a Republican from Virginia.

      Other than him I'm not aware of a SINGLE Congressman who is on our side.

      This is an issue where Democrats (who ARE the party of Hollywood), and Republicans (the party of corporations) will march in lock step.

      The only alternative is to get the Libertarians into some power. Geeks number large enough to do so. The Libertarian party is the SOLE party that stands for reducing the government to it's Constitutionally defined responsibility.

      Passing laws allowing people to invade property on a whim seems to me to be a clear violation of the Constitution. For one, there IS a right to property expressed in the Bill of Rights. Also, the power to authorize some to violate property of others is not an ENUMERATED power of the Federal Government.

      Remember, the 10th Amendment forbids the Feds from excersing ANY POWER NOT SPECIFICALLY GIVEN them by the Constitution!

      We've allowed the Demopublicans to violate this for so long, it's become taken for granted that Congress can pass any law it wants to. It can't.

      IMO, the ultimate solution that will bring balance back into our system is criminal penalties for legislators/executives who vote for, impose/enforce illegal law (laws that are Unconstitutional).

      Why shouldn't they be held personally to account for the laws they pass? After all, ignorance is not a defense for the 300 million of us who are subject to many thousands of thousands of laws that it'd be impossible to know.

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    2. Re:Speaking of elections . . . by WCMI92 · · Score: 2

      "Okay. And then try to explain it to Joe Sixpack, who (maybe)
      has a Windows 98 computer with AOL in which he send-receives
      his mail and a bunch of simple Windows games. He is a republican/democrat (he knows only that two parties because they are advertised in his TV)."

      Explain to him that when he gets digital TV, which is mandated by law and the FCC, he will be getting (possibly) better picture and sound, but will be giving up the ability to record anything to watch over.

      And that his computer may become illegal, just as analog TV is set to become useless, and that his new one will by law REFUSE to play any game he's "copied" or not bought, registered, activated (including giving away email address and other personal info to SPAM lists).

      All brought to you by the Demopublican Party.

      The only alternative is to vote for Libertarians. Libertarian=Liberty, Liberty=Freedom, get it?

      Or was that too complicated?

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  16. It all comes down to this by WCMI92 · · Score: 2

    WHAT can we do to wake up "Joe 6 Pack"?

    He's the one who is apathetic. But he has just as much to lose as we do.

    As recently demonstrated by "accident" in New York, the next generation of TV, Digital TV, which has DRM mandated into it by the FCC, itself is to be forced down everyone's throats before the end of this decade, WILL have the ability to forbid recording off TV.

    Recording shows off TV has been a right taken for granted by analog VCR owners since the early 80's. Virtually EVERYONE has recorded a show on a VCR, even if they are recording inane crap like "Bassmasters" or "Friends" instead of "Star Trek" like we geeks do ;)

    That soon will end. Given their blatantly stated attitudes, I cannot for one second believe that Hillary Rosen and Jack Valenti won't order cable companies and broadcasters to "throw the switch" shutting off virtually all recording once DTV has been forced into homes.

    Furthermore, P2P sharing is definately NOT just for geeks. Plenty of Joe and Jane Averages have been buying computers and internet JUST FOR THIS for the past 3 years. There are millions more file sharers than there are geeks.

    Filesharing is no more a crime than taping songs off the radio (likely to be impossible when radio goes digital, also something mandated by the FCC by the end of the decade). Who DIDN'T trade dubbed casettes with people back in high school?

    I did so quite alot. It never stopped me from buying albums whenever I had the money to. Just as my collection of over 10,000 MP3 song files doesn't stop me from buying albums of artits I like (such as Avril Lagigne, the "Anti-Britney" who's album is most definately worth buying). I don't download Britney. I download mostly pre-1990 stuff, a LOT of it being out of print.

    The RIAA/MPAA "Hack Act" would create mass chaos on the Internet. ANYONE can whistle, play a kazoo, hum, etc random noise into a casette recorder, make a MP3 of it and have a "copyrighted" song (and it would be at about the artistic level of Britney/BSB/NSync, et all), place it on your computer and then have cause to hack the RIAA "just to check".

    The RIAA/MPAA have no idea what they are asking for... Because for the law to be written only to apply to THEM would cause it to be tossed out as discriminatory. So it must apply to everyone who owns ANY copyright. Their technical expertise and resources are also vastly inferior to those of the geek community.

    They'd be starting a war with a nuclear power when all they are armed with is rocks and pointed sticks.

    The result would be total chaos on the net. And, you know, I'm not so sure they aren't aware of that... CBDTPA DRM computing, using MS Palladium would take control of our hardware and software from US, making it impossible (theoretically) for us to resond in kind to RIAA hack attacks.

    But, I digress... What will it take to get Joe and Jane Average to realize what is being done to THEM? Will it be the first time they can't record "Oprah"? Will it be when they discover their PC has been "accidently" erased by some amateur RIAA hacker? Will it be when they buy a new PC with Palladium and it won't play their MP3's?

    Sooner or later, I believe it will happen. There is a LOT of hostility in the general public towards corporations. For some reason, Hollywood and the Record Industry have escaped general wrath, despite the fact that what they rake in makes overpaid athletes (whom the public often bitch about) look like Wal-Mart greeters.

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    1. Re:It all comes down to this by WCMI92 · · Score: 2

      Part of the Betamax case was the ruling that taping and time shifting was legal.

      What wasn't legal was distrobution of said tapes.

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  17. Re:Get some PRIORITIES! by balloonhead · · Score: 2
    I'm fairly sure not playing video games will have little effect on these wars.

    I have a limited time on this planet, and it's the only shot I'll get. So I will spend my time as I enjoy it, trying to step on others' toes as little as possible.

    You may feel differently, but you can spend your life debating these issues if that's your bag. Just don't tell me how to go about my life - it's a shame and all, but I just don't care. Sounds harsh? Yes, it is. But I have my own priorities. If you think that me saying I don't care is evil and wrong, just what, exactly, have you done to help them? Donated food, money, time? Not watched your favourite TV show / film because it just didn't matter in comparison? I bet you didn't. Maybe a few pounds (bucks) or an old jacket to charity, except for a few noble exceptions. I bet you've eaten out at restaurants, watched TV, gone to work, spend some of your money on luxuries (I include alcohol), and mostly given as little of a damn as me, so don't evangelise, you self-righteous hypocrite.

    If on the other hand, you live on a basic diet which provides you with just enough for your metabolism, move to Rwanda and nurse the sick, and donate any remaining money to the Red Cross, then I apologise - this post is not directed at you.

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  18. Libertarians are hot! by WCMI92 · · Score: 2

    http://www.lpnc.org/events/calendar.html

    Anyone checked this out yet? An unorthodox but likely sucessful way to raise money... I've never seen Demopublicans look that good.

    And they are for freedom to boot!

    This is raising money for the NC libertarians.

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  19. Re:I don't see why not by WCMI92 · · Score: 2

    "(On a side note, I think if a performer can be paid for a recorded performance for the next 100 years that ditch-diggers should earn residual income as long as their ditch is in use. After all, they should get paid for their work.)"

    A BRILLIANT observation!

    Here's another example that applies to most of us:

    A network engineer should get paid for as long as the network he designed is in use...

    If the RIAA's model were imposed though, the employer of the network engineer would receive that royalty, as well as royalties on every job the engineer ever did, for perpetruity. If the network engineer left the company he'd not have the right to ever design another network again in exactly that way.

    Makes no sense, doesn't it? The touchstone of any fair deal is to reverse it and see if it seems just as fair. Or to apply it to another similar circumstance.

    Here is the copyright provision from the Constitution:

    "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries..." U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 8, clause 8."

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  20. Yes, this is the most important priority by argoff · · Score: 2

    The simple fact is that p2p is not just about music, but who controlls information - and what we can do with it. Like it or not, all the major conflicts in the world are about information, what people know, and what that leads people to believe, and how they react. P2P is not about music, but about controll - and if this issue can not be resolved in the USA, one of the most powerfull and free contries in the world (inspite of all its problems) then it has a snowballs chance in hell of being resolved anywhere for a long time. There are litterally trillions at stake, and billions of lives will be influenced by how this battle plays out.

    The USA is suffering a lot of pressure as it enters the information age, and has really cracked down hard in many unjust ways - you can be rest assured that this evil will be magnified 100 fold when this "title wave" hit countries that don't have a strong foundation of liberties. We owe it to these people to solve these problems now, before they really get out of hand. If we can not help ourselves as hell breaks out here, then we will certainly not be able to help them when it comes their way too.

  21. ladies of liberty by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't forget to pick up a copy of your Ladies of Liberty Calendar...

    Introducing the North Carolina Ladies of Liberty Calendar! Their turn-ons are long walks on the beach, candlelit dinners and free-market economies. Yes, the Libertarian party has some righteous BABES!

    Are all libertarians this attractive and intelligent or is there something in the water in NC?

  22. I emailed Coble months ago.. by waltc · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...politely and articulately expressing my disdain for the bill he's co-sponsoring and urging him to drop his support. Not surprisingly, I have yet to receive a reply.

    What baffles me is that nowhere in Coble's constituency is there the slightest motivation for this legislation. Therefore, whatever, Coble's motivation, it must come from outside his constituency. In a sense, this is par for the course among politicians who seek to grasp and become a part of issues they do not understand so as to bask in the limelight of national publicity.

    However, it is also dangerous when politicians allow their personal ambitions to cloud and color their political agendas. Coble has his Democratic counterparts, to be sure (an old and genteel southern Democrat from South Carolina whose name I cannot quite recall at the moment, who clearly does not distinguish between a ram chip and a disk drive, is also using anti-computer, anti-geek sentiment to propel himself into the national limelight. Ok, now I remember. His name is Hollings.)

    Anyway, assuming that these people are merely using these issues as political footballs for their own personal gain is the lighter side of the assumption. We're indeed in trouble if there's more to it than that.

    As to the Grubb-Coble faceoff, the issue here is really over the Coble legislation. Should Coble quietly withdraw his support, I fear poor Ms. Grubb would soon go unappreciated.

  23. Re:You know, you'd think with all the bitching we by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 3, Informative

    These people are trying to set one up. They're affiliated with the American Open Technology Consortium. If I understand the relationships, it's sort of like the Sierra Club's political wing as opposed to their lobbying/educational wing.

    Unfortunately they don't seem to have their act together yet. For instance, I sent the AOTC some seed money about three months ago and the check hasn't been cashed yet. Their manifesto shows them only having received three pledges, which I think means it hasn't been updated in several months. GeekPAC is still working on authority to operate as a political action committee (there's a lot of legal mumbo-jumbo involved), but is taking donations on the assumption that approval will be granted.

    And, my final gripe is, the name GeekPAC has to go. It's fine as a nickname among geeks, but outside the community the name "geek" carries some prett negative connotations. Might as well call it "WeirdoPAC" or "GoonPAC" or something.

    Don't get me wrong, I hope these are just growing pains on the way to an organization that can play with the big boys and occasionally win.

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  24. Tara and I, and my campaign by firewort · · Score: 3, Informative
    I'm running for the NC State House as the Libertarian candidate.

    I've been a /.er for a few years and decided it was time to get involved as opposed to only replying on /. -

    See my site at http://victormarks.org - unfortunately you won't see my stance on IP issues/copyright law on that page, simply because as a state representative, it's a non-issue- those laws are made in US congress, not the state legislature.

    Instead, state legislatures get to deal with laws concering EULAs, ( http://www.cptech.org/ecom/ucita/ ), laws concerning model health acts , ( http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id2454/pg1/ ) and other threats to our rights to live our lives without intrusion.

    Tara really latched onto Coble's prominent "I've-been-bought" issue, and has done well with it- however, the Coble bill isn't going to go anywhere- even Republican candidates I know are writing Coble telling him to put it to rest.

    Vote Libertarian! http://victormarks.org

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    1. Re:Tara and I, and my campaign by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      Mod up. I will donate some money for you. I encourage those reading this to mod him up so he can win.

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  25. Dontbuycds.org endorses Tara Sue Grubb by uncoveror · · Score: 2

    Dontbuycds.org endorses Tara Sue Grubb. If North Carolina's 6th district Slashdotters will get out and tell all their neighbors why they are voting for Tara, she has a chance. All it really takes is name recognition. Don't tell the old timers she not a dem or repub. Just tell them her name, and that we need people who understnd technology in congress, not just white haired old men with VCRs flashing 12:00

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  26. $500 - I just joined by Naikrovek · · Score: 2

    I highly recommend it. They should have a "wow, thanks!" page with membership numbers though, after your card is charged, instead of just a reciept & a sitemap link.

    But anyway, I feel better, and I know that will be the most effective $500 I've ever spent.

  27. taxpayer subsidies by rossjudson · · Score: 2

    The intended purpose of copyright law was to provide stimulation to authors to create new works. There is a simple trade at the heart of this proposition -- society offers to enforce copyright, for a limited time, at its expense. In exchange for that free protection, the author will cede the work into the public domain.

    Somehow the idea that the author and publisher of a work is entitled to free protection of that work has taken hold. Current copyright law has eliminated the ceding of works into the public domain. Society is now in the position of providing unlimited protection, at unlimited cost, for works in perpetuity, without receiving any returned benefit. This is a ridiculous situation.

    If the record companies and movie companies think that their works are going to be stolen if the public communications mechanisms are used (internet and so forth), then they should not release those works in digital form. The media companies want the taxpayer to secure and entrench their business model for them, paying through the nose for it, and sacrificing a whole series of privacies and capabilities on the way.

    The thing is, what the media companies want is to reduce the capability of our devices. General purpose computation is their enemy -- they don't want devices that can be programmed and altered to be available to the consumer. It's the only way that their precious content can be fully controlled. And it won't stop with simple digital rights management -- the next step will be to impose monitoring. I find that unacceptable.

    Imagine a world where CB radios have special circuits in them that, every time you push the "talk" button, check to see if the contents of your transmission match against known music. If your transmission matches, it prevents your broadcast and reports you to the authorities. It sounds silly, but this is exactly what the media companies want for your computer, and for you.

    We have to preserve the purity of our communications channels. If the media companies think the digital world is too dangerous and unpredictable for them, they shouldn't play. And they shouldn't be permitted to destroy or belittle the internet because it makes their profiteering more complicated.