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Windows 2000 Runs On Xbox Under Linux

Posted by Hemos on from the oh-the-irony-of-life dept.

MBCook writes "Everybody's favorite Xbox hackers have got Linux running for roughly six weeks, and now it runs well enough to announce that Windows has been run inside Linux with common PC virtualization software. They even have a little video of it playing a MPEG 4 of The Matrix fullscreen!"

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  1. oh the irony by cyborch · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...of taking an MS product and hacking at it 'till it runs linux, just to emulate another MS product.

    1. Re:oh the irony by bokketies · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wonder if there's an X-box emulator available for Windows 2000. Now that would kick ass!

    2. Re:oh the irony by Vader82 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What would be really slick is to get VMware (I assume thats what they are using to run win2k) to boot the Xbox OS. If you had that capability, you could boot into linux and do work, then when you wanted to play a game you launch the Xbox OS and pop the game in. When you're done, go back to working by shutting down VMware. While this seems pointless (and perhaps it is) the nice thing about it is that you don't have to always be rebooting the machine. You probably get other cool features too. I don't have an xbox so I can't tell you, but I'm sure it would open up new opportunities to do more cool stuff just because you can.

    3. Re:oh the irony by tdelaney · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's called "proving that it works". If it can run Win2K from Linux on the hardware:

      1. It tells them that their port is sufficiently complete to do so;

      2. The hardware is capable of it, and so is capable of pretty much anything a normal PC can do.

      I would consider this a very valuable thing to do. Not to mention that it's a real kick in the nuts for MS :)

    4. Re:oh the irony by ClosedSource · · Score: 2

      "Not to mention that it's a real kick in the nuts for MS :)"

      Sounds like a larger market for MS. If people want to pay to run Windows 2000 on Linux, why should MS mind? You'd think Linux advocates would be taking the position that running Windows under Linux is unnecessary, rather than bragging that it can be done.

    5. Re:oh the irony by ClosedSource · · Score: 2

      Oops. I missed the XBOX part. Go ahead and slam me. I'm going back to work now.

  2. Win 2k by rastachops · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What about running Windows 2000 on the XBox? Has it been done? Can it be done?

    1. Re:Win 2k by psavo · · Score: 2

      What about running Windows 2000 on the XBox? Has it been done? Can it be done?

      Nope. Unless you're working for MS, or love digging x86 assembly.

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    2. Re:Win 2k by koh · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a stripped-down version that runs at ring 0 (in short, a small kernel-space "bundled" win2k).

      Maybe it can understand CreateWindowEx(), but it sure won't understand half the routines needed to run PC Windows apps.

      Maybe with a custom library CD...

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    3. Re:Win 2k by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 2

      Simple. Port Wine to Windows.

      Problem solved.

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  3. But... by DarkHelmet · · Score: 5, Funny

    The obvious question is if they can get an Windows XBox Emulator working within Windows2000 on the Xbox.

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    1. Re:But... by falser · · Score: 3, Funny

      Better yet, could they:

      Play an XBox game...
      in an XBox emulator...
      running in Win2000...
      running within Linux.

    2. Re:But... by jkramar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or, to complete the cycle, can they run Linux under an XBox emulator under Windows under Linux under an XBox emulator under Windows under Linux under an XBox emulator under Windows under Linux under an XBox emulator under Windows under Linux under an XBox emulator under Windows under Linux under an XBox emulator under Windows under Linux on an XBox?

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    3. Re:But... by bwt · · Score: 2

      Nobody is allowed to post any more about emulators running emulators until they can provide a rigorous upper bound on the maximum depth of the emulator within an emulator recursion, as a function of system resources.

  4. Re:video issue by perlyking · · Score: 2

    I dont, the video is fine for me, it shows an old monitor showing the matrix playing back, they then swivel the monitor and pointedly trace the scart cable to the XBOX (you can guess why!).

    I was hoping to see a vmware session of win2k, though perhaps it doesnt work and they are using BOCHS (because its open source...) which wouldnt make for a very dynamic video! :-)

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  5. Re:video issue by perlyking · · Score: 2

    duh I missed the link:

    http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/screenshots.ph p

    Theres more screenshots and another video on that page, still doesnt show win2k in action though as far as I can see.

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  6. Virtual, eh? by ciryon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Uhm, did I miss something? Which virtualization software? VMWare? Wine?

    Ciryon

    1. Re:Virtual, eh? by psavo · · Score: 4, Informative

      WINE is not a virtualization software. VMware is. WINE is a mere wrapper.

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  7. win2k games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    i am curious, i know that xbox runs a stripped down win2k kernel, but is it possible to run win2k with full kernel (maybe even without hardware mods) and run window games? i mean, its the same hardware, and except for the video card driver, which might even be supplied by nvidias unified drivers :P, i think that it would be pretty cool to be able to play all my pc games on an xbox... thnx for any input..

  8. for Pete's Sake! by Naikrovek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Someone PLEASE get these people a decent TV, man! and a better camera! ;)

    Those photos would have a lot more impact on me if i could see them better. hehe these guys are doing great things but someone please donate a TV or bigger monitor or whatever they're using.

    1. Re:for Pete's Sake! by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thats a commodore 1084 - as I recall its a split video, composite, and rgb monitor with a .45 dot pitch - not bad for the day. I think its made by phillips.

      As far as a TV set goes you'll not find much better for the size. Later versions had stereo sound built in, Commodore's 1942, 1950, 1962 etc were better dot pitch wise and could do ntsc through vga (.28), but they didn't have the composite inputs.

  9. Just came across this page by perlyking · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.openoffice.org/screenshots/index.html
    screenshots of open office on XBOX.

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  10. This could be the future by Ed+Avis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If virtualization software becomes cheap and effective, perhaps PC clones five years from now will always boot into Linux or another protected-mode OS and then start Windows on the virtual hardware. It would be a nice way to add more power to BIOS setup screens or to allow installing multiple OSes with no hassle. Perhaps also to let Windows 1984 run even on hardware that hasn't been certified as 'trusted'.

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  11. wow.. running for 6 weeks! by hugesmile · · Score: 5, Funny
    Six weeks without crashing! That might be a new record!


    I remember when NT first came out, and Microsoft was pushing it as an Enterprise Server. One of their top engineers was involved in the press announcement, and made the comment with pride that some of the systems in the lab have been running for six weeks without crashing.


    The analysts and large customers ROASTED him: "We've had AS400's and HP 3000's and 9000's and Dec Vax's that haven't crashed EVER for YEARS."


    Somehow, Gates wiggled his way into the data center. Those Vax's and 3000's are probably still running without crashing, ten years later, if they're still there....

    ...And Microsoft learned to never reward a top engineer by letting him speak at a press announcement.

    1. Re:wow.. running for 6 weeks! by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      No those vax's and as/400's have been replaced with solaris boxen. :-)

      However most non mission critical servers do use NT or w2k. IT seems Microsoft ate up the low end server market yet can't reach beyond that. One of the fallacies about the marketshare is that it takes lots of w2k boxen to do the work of one solaris or as/400 box. Not to mention you need clustering due to instability. With these things added up your looking at 4 w2k boxen that 1 solaris box could do. To someone looking at marketshare, it would seem Microsoft would be winning based on the amount of sales. Like it or not w2k marketshare is growing at a fast pace and I think its now %50 of the market! But like I said it takes several w2k boxes to do the work of one big sun server.

      Ignore all the data. Infact alot of bussiness like motorolla and Texas Intrustments actually switched back to unix from NT. Stability and scalability were not as high as expected.

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    2. Re:wow.. running for 6 weeks! by zeno_2 · · Score: 2
      IIRC, and I don't have any links handy, it was something like 49 days and it's not that it would reboot.

      I think you might be talking about this:

      Q216641

  12. Why is it so fascinating? by mocm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anytime someone gets another program running under
    xbox linux you get a new article on /..
    What is so surprising? Once you got the kernel with drivers for framebuffer, sound and usb running you could run almost any program that runs under ix86 linux.
    The next big news would be that 3d acceleration is running, so that you can run all those 3d games with reasonable speed.
    Anybody try the Xbox as a UT server yet? NWN server anyone?
    Ok, it's not easy to get Win2000 running with just 64MB.

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    1. Re:Why is it so fascinating? by mav[LAG] · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anytime someone gets another program running under
      xbox linux you get a new article on /..
      What is so surprising?

      Probably because it's one of the fundamental drivers of OSS development - the "hey wouldn't it be cool if..." attitude. Linus originally thought it would be cool to have a Unix like OS on 386s. Scratching an itch may have its limitations when it comes to things that OSS is bad at - like user-friendliness - but it's still the driving force behind this kind of porting effort.

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  13. Loss leader... uhm, allgone. by jonadab · · Score: 2

    For those who have been saying that the xbox-linux project is
    bad for MS because it costs them the loss leader, err, I think
    running W2K on it covers that loss leader fairly effectively.
    Not that it isn't intersting and all, but the price of W2K will
    chew up your savings pretty fast. At this point one of those
    Microtel PCs (without W2K) might actually be cheaper.

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  14. Okay.. so how many... by netsharc · · Score: 5, Funny
    counts of violation of the DMCA is that?
    • One for cracking the Xbox.
    • Two for pirating Windows.
    • Three for having a bootleg copy of the Matrix.
    I guess if you wanna piss 'em off, better do it all at once. :) Anybody have an MP3 of N-"Stupid f'ing-Capitalist-no-space-trip-for-you!"-Sync for them to play?
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    1. Re:Okay.. so how many... by _ganja_ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe there are no counts of the DMCA being breached here?

      Xbox is reversed engineered for operability; running GNU/Linux which the DMCA allows.

      You assume their copy of Win2k is a pirate version.

      How do you know this is a bootleg of the Matrix? They could very well own the original disk / this could well be the trailer.

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    2. Re:Okay.. so how many... by bwt · · Score: 2

      You left out #4: posting the video of it all for the whole world to see. :-]

      There was a recent case in Australia that REJECTED a similar claim by Sony under their DMCA equivalent (which is very equivalent).

      The court ruled that mod chips do not circuvent anything that controls a right of the copyright holder. If this ruling stands (Sony is appealing), it marks the first limiting decision anywhere on what is sure to be an ongoing battle: the dividing line between access control and use control.

    3. Re:Okay.. so how many... by dytin · · Score: 2

      Nothing's wrong with him.

      Capitalism just doesn't apply to certain markets where there is no scarcity. When it's force fitted people cry fowl

      There is always scarcity. Yes, music can be copied infinitely for cheap, but where do you think it came form in the first place? It came from a scarce resource. (Don't misinterperet this to me liking N'Sync, I don't like their music, but I also don't see a problem with them making money because other people like it). Do you honestly think that capitalism has been force fitted into the market? Granted, the DMCA etc. are force, but the DMCA is not capitalism. Capitalism is the only natural market, any other market is just a bastardization. Any other market requires that force be used to maintain the equilibrium, and the threat of force will always eventually fail if given enough time.

    4. Re:Okay.. so how many... by netsharc · · Score: 2

      Probably jealousy, that a 22 year old like him makes more money than I a 21 year old like I am, although he (so I'd like to believe) has no talents at all.

      But you really should have read the moron Hollywood Producer's comment about the Russian official that's been causing this "difficulty". He whines about the fact how he already had a TV program deal to will follow Bass during his space training (titled "When Morons Go To Space Camp"?) and how they're going to do a big concert when he returns, and that the Russian official was rude and had a big mouth.

      Anyway, read the article yourself. Sure I'm taking the Russians side, but if they were characters in a film in which they're stranded in, say, a space station, I bet that Hollywoodian would be the first to be out of the airlock.

      OT: I followed the link to your site. Nice Porsche, you make me jealous. :)

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  15. Slashdot needs another topic category by irishkev · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN"

    1. Re:Slashdot needs another topic category by swillden · · Score: 2

      That would be redundant. I mean, it already says "SNews for Nerds." on the top of every page.

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  16. Re:I'm disappointed... by richie2000 · · Score: 2
    No, VMWare under Win2k and then they can run Linux in a window in Win2k in Wine on Linux on a crippled Win2k kernel on an X-Box on a stick!

    Ohh, I'm getting dizzy...

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  17. The story so far... by xxSOUL_EATERxx · · Score: 5, Funny

    So now I can download and watch a video... of an MPEG... being played on an OS... which is being EMULATED under another OS.... which is being run on hardware designed for an entirely different OS.

    It is fitting that the video in question is from The Matrix. I just want to know what combination of blue and red pills to you take understand the whole setup.

    1. Re:The story so far... by tweakt · · Score: 2
      So now I can download and watch a video... of an MPEG... being played on an OS... which is being EMULATED under another OS.... which is being run on hardware designed for an entirely different OS.

      Um, actually no. The XBOX normally runs the Windows 2000 kernel.

    2. Re:The story so far... by magic · · Score: 2
      It's even better than that. The entire setup you're watching in the video is a really complicated way of playing a movie on a television, which presumably we could do without the Xbox in the first place.


      -m

    3. Re:The story so far... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Silly Soul_Eater, those pills are *purple* !! :)

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  18. A cheap Win2k box? by Chris+Canfield · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Great, now you can take a 200 dollar, 800 MHZ machine with a 10 GB Hard Drive, a DVD drive, and no floppy, and (after spending days configuring and futzing) get it to run the same software as a 200 dollar, 800 mhz machine with a 10 GB Hard Drive, a CD drive, and no floppy from wallmart.com.

    I'm sorry, I don't mean to be down on the project. But having the nasty green box as a cheap computer just isn't as compelling a reason as it used to be, and Microsoft is getting closer and closer to making a profit off of each one sold. Now, if we could find some way to run unsigned games on the raw system, thus creating a tremendous distribution platform, that would be compelling. If we could find some easy way to translate computer games, that would be compelling. If we could DDoS microsoft.com...

    I love the sense of irony these system hackers have and can't wait for the next exciting episode. But somehow anything that might make a Microsoft product more popular in a non-entrenched market just doesn't sit right with me.

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    1. Re:A cheap Win2k box? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not for practical use. The point is that the thing can run Linux pretty solidly -- enough to pull something like this off.

      Plus, it's a "technically cool" project, not one intended to replace your desktop machine.

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    2. Re:A cheap Win2k box? by damiam · · Score: 2

      Keep in mind that the xbox has a GeForce4, and the Walmart machine has some kind of minor integrated graphics chip with 8mb of shared memory.

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    3. Re:A cheap Win2k box? by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 2

      Or put VmWare directly into the kernel. Run your windows desktop and Xwindows desktop together. Flip desktops with a keypress! Run software for anything!

      Brain Overloaded: Core dump

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    4. Re:A cheap Win2k box? by zulux · · Score: 2

      I'm with you 100%

      Even if someone can get MAME running on a Xbox without a mod-chip, I still won't buy one at retail. That retail sale would give Microsoft more clout with game developers but letting them pimp out even more Xbox "consumers."

      And besides the Xbox is UGLY. People might mistake one of the hidious controllers for a sex toy and give me a funny look.

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  19. Why is Tux crying??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    In this screenshot:

    Tux crying

    is it because he is sitting on top of a Microsoft product???

    He looks fine in this picture.

  20. Now you've done it... by Scratch-O-Matic · · Score: 2

    Slashdotted Gildot.

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  21. "common PC virtualization software"? by PhotoGuy · · Score: 2
    What virtualization software is that? The only stuff I'm aware of that could run something like Win2K, is VMWare. Is it VMWare? If so, why don't they say VMWare?

    Just curious.

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  22. Re:cool but... by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 2, Informative

    What part of "MPEG 4" don't you understand? Yes, it has a DVD player, but DVD is "MPEG 2". They played a DivX, so yes, it is actually interesting.

  23. Re:Presumably they chose Windows 2000 over Windows by slide-rule · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think a phone call into product activation would've been a hoot.

    Product Activation: "Hello, Product Activation center. What can I do to help you today?"
    Crafty Hacker: "Uh, yeah. I need to re-activate my XP installation. I changed a couple things and it apparently tripped something."
    PA: "Okay, sure. First, what's the CD Key on your XP installation disk?"
    CH: "Err, its [rattles off numbers/letters]."
    PA: "Right. Okay. What type of system do you have it running on now,then? I need your make/model, processor speed, [etc.]"
    CH: "Well, I guess the system is a Microsoft XBOX. [starts ratting off rest of system specs] --"
    PA: "A What? It doesn't run on that. Are you sure you don't mean--"
    CH: "No, really... the verification hash of the system is [rattles off numbers/letters]"
    PA: "That seems like a valid hash, but..." (Increasingly nervous product activation employee has a panic attack as a manager tries to make sense of the ensuing chaos.)

  24. VMWare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    What do you think you mean with "VMware, I doubt works without the proper architecture behind it." What do you think an XBox is? Do you understand what an Operating System is, and how device drivers work? Once they had Linux and XFree86 running, they can run any x86 Linux software they like. Including VMWare.

    1. Re:VMWare by psavo · · Score: 2

      I sure hope they can pull the same trick when Apple makes switch to x86 based boxen. At that time (03Q4-04Q3) any x86-proc will emulate hardware faster than it runs live on G4.

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    2. Re:VMWare by mindstrm · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I do understand how they work.

      I suppose I assumed the XBOX had more different hardware in it than it really does.

  25. Using virtualization to secure your data... by weave · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Damn, your post reminded me of another use, securing YOUR Windows YOUR way. I saw it demoed at H2K2 last july. I just can't remember the website addy. It boots debian, then runs vmware automatically and prompts for a secure password. It then loads Windows using a virtual drive. The drive is encrpyted. A USB dongle is also required. Remove the usb dongle, the puppy shuts down automatically. Debian runs without swap to hopefully eliminate any chance of the vmware session being swapped to unencrypted disk.

    The guy demoing it is mainly meant to protect laptop data from common thieves, is targeted towards road warriors, and is not meant to keep the government out because if they arrest you and the laptop, they can coerce you into giving them access.

    Ah yes, google rules. Here's a link to a story about it. Company name is NAH6.

    1. Re:Using virtualization to secure your data... by mindstrm · · Score: 2

      That's cool.

      I was thinking to myself a while back that it would be nice to see VMWare as an OS... and that the closest thing to that would be a linux kernel engineered to work tightly with vmware.

      It would be nice to see vmware with proper vesa 2.0 support, along with accelerated video and more hardware support.

      If I could run it on my laptop the way things are described, and only take a small speed hit, I would do it. it's the functionality hit that I don't want to take.

  26. What's next? by Betelgeuse · · Score: 2

    Now they just need to get CygWin running under Windows. THEN, they could run an Xbox emulator. . .

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  27. Re: I am wondering why! by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 2

    They are protecting their investment. Microsoft loses on the sale of an Xbox (if you listen to industry practices) and make their money up on the games. Now imagine if the hardware can be hacked in such a way that you can bypass the security measures on it, and run whatever you want, including copied versions of their games. Big money losses!
    Now imagine that this is going on right now... Oh wait, it is.

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  28. Re:Why Restrict the X-Box by Salsaman · · Score: 2
    Because they lose money on the hardware and then make it up on the games. They have to sell something like 5 or 6 games per console to break even.

    Some people have also suggested that Xbox is a test run for Palladium on the PC.

  29. Or Plex86 by yerricde · · Score: 3, Informative

    but many forgot to talk about bochs: a free [freespeech] PC emulator.

    Bochs emulates a PC, including the CPU. Thus, things become slow, and you may not have enough power to view an MPEG movie, but you can run x86 apps on other CPU architectures. In addition, bochs is slow enough that it runs old DOS games at the "right" speed.

    Plex86, on the other hand, runs on x86 processors and "virtualizes" the environment. It emulates only the motherboard, a couple common adapter cards, and some aspects of the inner-ring modes of the CPU. It runs x86 user code natively on the processor, preserving most of the speed.

    But if they can build a $200 Lindows PC, why not make a $200 "additional PC" PCI card? It would let Anonymous Coward actually build a Beowulf cluster in his PC's case.

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    1. Re:Or Plex86 by zulux · · Score: 2

      But if they can build a $200 Lindows PC, why not make a $200 "additional PC" PCI card?

      Sun makes one. It's $200 with $299 added for evem more Sun Large Profit(tm). More info

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    2. Re:Or Plex86 by iankerickson · · Score: 2

      Sun sells one. I think the name is "Sun PCi". It's a PC on a PCI card. $500 last time I checked, and no open drivers (Solaris on SPARC only), but that could change. Orange Micro used to sell PCs on PCI cards for Macs.

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  30. Crashes to crashes, DOS to DOS by Reziac · · Score: 2

    Or like a multiboot setup I once did (for reasons that escape even myself): boot to DRDOS, use its boot manager to select Win2K, use its boot manager to select Win95, which in turn was set up to start in plain M$DOS. Talk about the long way around! :)

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  31. Media Player only plays the visualization/audio by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

    How do I get the video?

    Is there better software for windows that can play AVIs?

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  32. How does the performance compare to a PC? by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

    So if you line the Xbox up against an equivalent PC, which one is faster running programs?

    If the Xbox is quicker, is it due to it's memory architechture? (sp?)

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  33. Why Linux at All? by Suppafly · · Score: 2

    Why have linux in the process at all? If you can win2k on top of linux on the xbox hardware using some sort of VMWare like product, why not just get win2k to work on the xbox itself? Most of the hardware is stardard pc stuff anyway with the exception of video.

    1. Re:Why Linux at All? by Zapdos · · Score: 2

      I guess that win2k on the Xbox isnt a project goal for the The Xbox Linux Project. The Xbox Linux Project aims to provide a version of GNU/Linux for the Xbox, so that it can be used as an ordinary computer. Linux should make use of all Xbox hardware and allow to install and run software from standard i386 Linux distributions.

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  34. Next step by Banjonardo · · Score: 2
    Now, of course, they need to install winlinux and run it from windows, which is running from linux, which is running from an xbox.

    Rinse and repeat!

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    1. Re:Next step by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2

      I should have winlinux running on Windows 2000 running on linux running from my X-box emulator I installed on WINE on top of Linux on my Mac... just as soon as I get Mac0S off the machine.

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  35. You Pay for Windows????? Noob! by HamNRye · · Score: 2

    I can't believe that you are actually talking about paying for windows.... Steal it. Gates and Ballmer *want* you to steal it. Porn looks better on a pirated OS. Learn all about FTP...

    Hammy

  36. There shorts by randomErr · · Score: 2

    Linux guys are creaming their shorts, MS guys are crappin' in their.

    'had to be said.

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  37. I do have it. by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

    I'll go try again, but I'm sure I've got the right codec.

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  38. Re: I am wondering why! by cscx · · Score: 2

    One might think that, but that stopped being true a while ago.

  39. Yawn. by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 2

    Wake me when you don't need a hardware mod to install linux, and you can still play games afterwards.

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  40. I'm talking apples vs apples though. by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

    What about compared to a PC with 64mb of ram?

    I'm just curious if the memory interface is better than what's currently on PCs.

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  41. Ahhh!! You're right. by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

    I just grabbed the latest divx. (I was one version old.) Problem solved.

    Thanks for pointing out the obvious!

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  42. Nope by Bastian · · Score: 2

    Because Wine is a wrapper - it doesn't implement the various GUI calls on Windows, it simply translates them to equivalent calls (or strings of calls) for X. If the XBox doesn't have these calls at all, you'd have to reimplement them from the ground up. The knowledge the Wine project has on the Windows API would be useful for this, but the Wine code most likely wouldn't.

  43. To find out ? by Quazion · · Score: 2

    It runs even faster and better with less memory usage!

  44. But it's not... by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

    One of the big reasons the Xbox can't load windows is because the memory architecture is a lot different from what I understand.

    So I'd like to see how Xbox memory arch compares to PC memory arch.

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