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Universal Music Hit with Anti-Piracy Suit
prostoalex writes "Remember Bon Jovi trying to fight piracy with individual PIN numbers that legitimate buyers could get off the CD? DownloadCard, who claims to have invented the technology, filed a lawsuit against Universal Music Group saying the music execs stole the technology and trade secrets from the company. Yahoo! Launch headline suggests that Bon Jovi album might be delayed because of the lawsuit."
That's the best news I've heard all day...
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Patents suck Patents suck Patents suck... er... hello what's this?
Yahoo! Launch headline suggests that Bon Jovi album might be delayed because of the lawsuit."
Yay for patents! Yay for patents! Yay for patents!
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More IP BS, this time entirely between those that abuse such laws regularly.
Money gets shifted around, and we, the consumers, get screwed like usual. The *only* outcome I see from this involves the album coming out late, and the lawsuit justifying yet more "cost-added" excuses on the part of the recording industry.
I'll care more when 72 minutes of pure audio doesn't cost 50% more than 2 hours of high quality movie footage with soundtracks in three language plus bonus material, AND I can legally (and easily) store what I buy on my file server. Until then, the MPAA and RIAA can collectively "bite me".
Somebody go get a bunch of patents on anti-piracy googaws and then claim prior-art on all the companies attempting to put stuff like this in place. When it ends up costing them more money in legal fees than they would allegedly recoop from the stop of piracy, they'll just give up. Hopefully.
Yes, I know it's a pipe dream. So what.
Big companies and greedy SOBs trying to be big have wanted this patent nonsense; maybe they will regret getting what they asked for. Maybe, just maybe, when enough of these ridiculous patent fights take up so much of their time and resources, really innovative people will be able to get on with their lives, and common sense will be restored. Maybe. Someday.
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This is what we have to do. Beat them at their own game which is very hard because they have the money to play how they want. they only thing we have is numbers and the ability to vote. Lets use em people. Quit being apathetic and write a letter and get out and VOTE, EVERY TIME you get the chance.
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Why is this a novel technology? Sure, it's never been done by the music industry, but the commercial software folks have been providing "registration keys" for decades now.
This just doesn't strike me as something that should be patentable. Of course, that seldom impedes the patent process.
Bon Jovi rocks! Peace, out.
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Now lets see how long it takes Hillary Rosen to go after Universal for piracy...now holding breathe.. ah turning blue..
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So, suddenly IP is a real thing and patent suits are great?
/. crowd get's a bit narrow sighted.
/.ers (or just a few) listens to BonJovi (I don't) which automatically means that he's a crappy, bad sounding, commercial doll, which again means that everything he (or those who really control him) does is bad.
/.y principal suit.
/.ers) would like.
/. is not the center of the world. Even though we dislike something/someone doesn't mean that others have to dislike it/them too.
It seems to me that somethimes the
Here are the facts:
1. No
2. Universal can be regarded as big and bad.
3. DownloadCard is David fighting Goliat for the money. It's not a
4. Universal is making an honest attempt to fight piracy without crippeling user rights. They are trying to make the CDs you purchase more like DVDs, with extra stuff BonJovi fans (not
Belive it or not,
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The Constitution does NOT grant rights to the people. The government has no power (authority) to grant rights! The powers of government are explicitly stated in Article I Section 8 of the Constitution and expanded on by a few of the Amendments.
The people inherently have rights, and the Constitution establishes that the people grant the government certain powers, but that those powers are limited and the government is not permitted to take away the rights of the people. Certain of those rights are enumerated in the Bill of Rights. However, carefully read the Ninth Amendment:
Thus the fact that a right to privacy is not specifically enumerated in the Constitution or Bill of Rights does NOT mean that the people don't have that right, or that the government has the power to take away that right from the people.The Supreme Court has repeatedly found that the people do have a right to privacy.
However, as with all rights, there are some limitations. It is not possible to grant an absolute right without simultaneously taking away another right. For instance, you have the right to swing your fist, but that right ends where my nose begins.
Back to your posting:
Actually, the Fourth Amendment doesn't say anything about a crime in progress. It says: Note that this doesn't even say that the police can conduct a search without a warrant if they have probable cause. It says that if they have probably cause, and give an Oath or affirmation, a warrant shall issue. This is possibly the most-trampled of the enumerated rights.Umm it's a PIN for crying out loud. Banks have been using this same system for ages, not to mention about a billion other business. I mean really whats the diff between this technology wise than with a CD key for winxp?
All it is, is a number that allows you to access a service or feature. I could do this with pen and paper if I wanted too.
Maybe i'm not understanding their "technology", so feel free to correct me.
You can't ignore other people's intellectual property, damnit. Only pirates would do that kind of stuff.
True, but you can redefine how much of their intellectual property they own.
Seems strange? Well, copyrights have been extended a couple of times (mostly at the whim of large content providers) in legislation. Otherwise, all of Elvis's work would be in the public domain by now, for example. Just like nobody owns Beethoven's or Mozart's work.
The truth is, its not as if intellectual property is a black and white issue.
Michael
There is no cryptographic solution to the problem where the intended receiver and the attacker are the same entity.
And by the same token, one should not withhold support from the US Government's prosecution of Microsoft just because one likes Microsoft.
Now that we have that minor little point sewen up... mind if we remain focused on the topic at hand?
Did I miss something? I thought the Bon Jovi thing was just like printing a unique serial on the booklet or a piece of paper that comes with the thing, or something.
How the hell is that technology, or more to the point, patentable?
I think it's because companies finally ran out of existing ideas that they could patent by tacking on "with a computer". The next round of bad patents will take obvious ideas and tack on "by an 80's hair band".
For instance, DownloadCard has the rights to "a means of using and distributing unique serial identifiers to provide redeemable incentives to discourage the online theft of intellectual property where said intellectual property is audio or video media content by an 80's hair band". The Dave Matthews Band and the Crystal Method were able to get around this patent by not being an 80's hair band, but Universal finally got busted for trying it with Bon Jovi.
In related news, Jeff Bezos has just invented and patented a one-click combination CD player power-on/play button to allow quick and efficient listening of any of his favorite music by an 80's hair band.
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Suprisingly, you were modded down as a troll! Apparently Bon Jovi has mod points....
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
They should be giving out the PIN numbers to pay to have it turned off, not on. I think they'll make a lot more money that way.
Put all the legal teams in a cage and give them knifes. The legal team still standing at the end gets $1 million, and their client wins. (Appeals could be handled by pistols at 20 paces).
The outcome would stand about the same as the current way our courts work, just faster and far more entertaining.
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Police officers don't have the authority to issue warrants. This is a function of the courts. The Fourth Amendment requires that judges not issue warrants if there is not an oath or affirmation of probable cause.
Presumably the way the system has gotten perverted into the state it's in is that people have said "well, getting a warrant is too much trouble, and if we have probable cause, we'll get one anyhow, so we'll just skip that step or do it later, since that is easier and faster." But the fact that it is easier and faster doesn't make it legitimate.
A policeman's job is only easy in a police state. -- Orson Welles
What are you saying ? People are going to arrive in tall ships with cannons blazing and swing over with swords in their teeth to kill us? Stop all this daft clap trap. Kids copying music has been going on for decades. Most reasonable people will tape a TV programme that is on while they are out. I am sure you would. That *IS* the same thing. Big business has brought in the term "pirate" to make it sound a lot worse than it really is and the term is completely innapropriate. These kids do *NOT* steal anything. Stealing, by legal definition, involves an intention to permanently deprive the owner of the object. These kids have no such intent. It is all claptrap to make something out of nothing in an effort to make more money out of the public. If it were a geuine intent to stop copying they would target the commercial operations, which so far have been generally left alone. If they did that I would support them wholeheartedly but while they try to make out I am a criminal because I want a copy of something for the car that I have bought for my home, I support the bad guys.
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An AC wrote:
.Net, Office XP, and Windows Media Player infringe on its patents.
> You can't ignore other people's intellectual
> property, damnit. Only pirates would do that kind
> of stuff.
Three incidents show the tip of an iceberg:
1) Eisner, Disney's president, showed a pirated Sony movie at a Senate hearing on Hollings' bill.
2) CNN showed a pirated tape of a bin Laden interview after the Afghan TV station that did the interview refused to give the rights to show the interview to CNN.
3) InterTrust is suing Microsoft because DRM in Windows XP,
Face it, the very people who want to treat customers like criminals and take away our rights are the biggest pirates of all!
Actually, "Mosura no Uta" (Mothra's Song) has a better term for people like these, the words it applied to Nelson and his goons: "tong yu" or "barrel of sharks". Me, I just call 'em "media sharks".
Bells are ringing: Mothra, Mothra! Every heart is calling: Mothra, Mothra!
Come on, Tok Wira, these sharks have gotta pay! New Kirk calling Mothra, we need you today!