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Indian Government Goes For Free Software

Geekonomical writes "Economic Times has an article that says Indian Government's Department of IT is going to encourage Linux and OSS on all fronts including college education! The article has more details (eventhough it has a misleading title!) The reasoning being more of plain economics than security or other reasons."

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  1. Re:One of the interesting implications.. by BaronVonDuvet · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Originally Unix became so popular because it was provided to colleges and students.

    Programmers that had been using it at colleges were keen to use it in the workplace. I think it's likely that Linux will follow this pattern.

    The things that have kept Micro$o£t so popular are that people tend to pirate a copy and that it is installed on just about every new PC. Arguably making their software harder to copy will damage them in the long run.

  2. Re:Pack your bags, Bill! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and people all over North America using their OS and products

    So? You don't actually believe that the combined economies of two of the most populous countries on Earth is somehow smaller than that of two countries (North America is the U.S.A and Canada). Do you?

    This isn't even getting into the fact that most service industries outsource to Indian companies, nor the expected growth of the Chinese economy alone...look, the board of Microsoft should be shitting their pants right about now.

  3. Makes perfect sense by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In countries where the wages are lower, the licensing/hardware portion of the TCO will be larger. Linux runs on smaller iron, without licensing costs. It's very simple math.

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    1. Re:Makes perfect sense by sql*kitten · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In countries where the wages are lower, the licensing/hardware portion of the TCO will be larger. Linux runs on smaller iron, without licensing costs. It's very simple math.

      That's assuming that Microsoft only sell in USD and require local currencies to be converted to dollars and US prices to be paid before they'll make a sale. However, MS, like McDonalds, Sony, Pepsi and other global corporations, tailor their prices to the local markets. Products of these corporations are generally as "affordable" wherever you are.

    2. Re:Makes perfect sense by fishbowl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So how do they stop us from converting USD to the lesser currency, purchasing in a foreign market, and shipping it to the US?

      This won't work for McDonald's, because a cheeseburger is stale if you ship it (and because the shipping is higher than the difference), but why not for software or consumer electronics? I'm surprised this hasn't become the standard way to buy stuff.

      I'd like to get some of the gadgets they get in Asian markets that never make it to the West; if you could get them at bargain prices because of currency exchanges, so much the better!

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  4. Re:One of the interesting implications.. by Troed · · Score: 2, Insightful
    good coders are good coders


    You obviously know nothing about the difference between a "coder" and a "software engineer".


    Yes I'm serious - and I'm both a Mechanical Engineer and Software Engineer. The actual time "coding" is almost the smallest part of a well designed project. You need engineers to take care of the rest that if(5!=duh) doesn't really do well.

  5. Free software? by Bas_Wijnen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The reasoning being more of plain economics than security or other reasons."

    Sounds like their going for open source software, not free software. A nice coincidence is of course that they will end up with free software anyway, but "going for free software" is more what the people in Peru are trying to do IMO.

  6. Local language software by codekavi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What the government needs to make those college students do is develop applications in the local languages. Just 2% of the 1 billion in India understand English. That's only 20 million if my arithmetic is correct.

    OTOH 900 million people *worldwide* (not just in India) understand Hindi. However there are very few applications and operating systems that do support Indic scripts.
    http://rohini.ncst.ernet.in/indix/ , http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Indic-Fonts-HOWTO/ , and http://www.geocities.com/hanu_man_ji are some efforts in this direction.
    Instead of making them dream about making dough in the US, the Indian college students and programmers should be encouraged if not forced to develop tools, utilities and applications in the Indian languages. Not only will it boost the demand for PC's - many Indian homes have white goods in the range of $400 or so, but no PC's - who'll use them if you don't know English? - it will give a big boost to the quality of programming; there are many smart people in India but they are limited by a lack of knowledge of English.

    1. Re:Local language software by codekavi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most Indians who visit London may know English; That doesn't mean that the Indians who don't visit London are illiterate. Nor does it mean that a person not knowing English should be considered to be illiterate. The PC in my home can just not be used by my grandparents because they don't know English. And my grandfather completed college at the age of 17, started teaching in the same college next year. He didn't learn or teach English - he taught Sanskrit.

      Concluding that 98% of Indians are illiterate, is a little off the mark.

      When software can be developed for use in Icelandic, Korean, Greek - all these languages have less sepeakers than most Indian languages, why not in Indian languages? Multiplicity of languages is not the issue, you develop the content or software in the language you use.

      You go English because the tools are already there, not because you're scared of alienating the other languages.

    2. Re:Local language software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "So, the English speakers not only get the ticket without having to stand in line, they also get an (unfair) advantage because they know English, they're more likely to get the ticket, or will have a earlier position in the waiting list."

      More significant than the language, would be having the method of payment! Those who use the conventional method of standing on queue, pay with cash. Those who use the internet, pay with credit cards I suppose. This is a more significant factor in the "digital divide" than the language barrier, or even, having internet access.

      I think you are underestimating people's ability to understand timetables and the names of their origin and destination cities, and you're forgetting the real reasons why they can't use the online booking system.

    3. Re:Local language software by pinka · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This does not happen in a vacuum. Needs a market. Arguably the market was slowly developing before the burst bubble stopped it. One possible way this market can develop is by getting the millions of mom and pop stores to start using computers/software for mundane stuff like inventory tracking etc. The problem, of course, is that even in the regional languages the literacy rates are low, between 50 and 60 percent, I would guess; though, that too is steadily increasing.

  7. Re:One of the interesting implications.. by OmniVector · · Score: 3, Insightful

    i'm a cs major, and good programmers are good designers. software engineering is more of the corporate world's attempt to produce more software in less time with fewer bugs that cram more features in. it doesn't focus on the structure of alogirthms, the effiency needed to produce realtime and embeded systems like computer science might emphasise more.

    I'm not trying to troll, i'm just saying that most my CS friends are in it for the fun, the knowledge, and getting computers to crunch bits. where most my software engineering friends are microsoft praisers who think that c# is the greatest invention since the stone age since it has delegates and get/set{} operators now (to make their design better?).

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  8. Re:One of the interesting implications.. by Ravenn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Arguably making their software harder to copy will damage them in the long run.

    Which is why M$ cd's are able to be copied, even when the game industry has proven that copying can be made so much harder. Sure, all games can (and will) be cracked. But it is so much easier to just copy the windoze *cough* OS *cough* because they want people to be using it. They make the money not from the average user, but from businesses, governments and universities that use hundreds or thousands at a time.

    Having Joe Average use it at home means that he is less likely to want to change the work policy. Have it installed at work, and it's too much hassle for him to change his home system.

    Fortunately, this can work both ways now.

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  9. Re:One of the interesting implications.. by nkv · · Score: 2, Insightful
    where most my software engineering friends are microsoft praisers who think that c# is the greatest invention since the stone age

    I couldn't agree more. I'd distinguish between the "software engineers" and the "CS folks" by saying that the former are soulless code grinders who slave away and fuel the "software industry" which is not too hot in itself (as Jamie Zawinski rightly pointed out, "whole sick, navel-gazing mess we called the software industry"). The latter people on the other hand are the people that keep the earth spinning. Whether their percentage is dwindling or growing is anyone's guess.

    It's a mistake IMO to think that "standard software engineering practices" are some kind of panacea that can correct bad coders and produce good code.

  10. Re:One of the interesting implications.. by smithwis · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You obviously know nothing about the difference between a "coder" and a "software engineer". Yes I'm serious - and I'm both a Mechanical Engineer and Software Engineer. The actual time "coding" is almost the smallest part of a well designed project. You need engineers to take care of the rest that if(5!=duh) doesn't really do well.
    Arguably, a majority of the time is spent in debugging and support. Both of these are helped a great bit by the quality of the code in the first place.

    BTW, you come off as really condescending, you might want to work on that;-)

    Steve
  11. Re:Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Right, 'cuz everyone in both India and China owns a computer, and are switching to linux along with their governments. Idiot.

  12. How to up your karma Re:Text of the article by NTDaley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For every story post a comment with the full text of the linked articles.

    Apparently this qualifies as informative!

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  13. Re:One of the interesting implications.. by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One potential future has the rest of the world going to open source products and ditching proprietary code.
    The good news about this, one would think, is that countries are less likely to screw around with compatibility in the name of market share.
    The bad news is that the US love affair with Redmond starts to look like a highly protectionist trade policy. OOPs.

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  14. Re:One of the interesting implications.. by AvitarX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because joe user feels so safe activating their software that they obtained illegaly?

    I somehow think that the windows piracy thing is going to slow down from the fact that faking activation is similar to cracking a game.

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  15. If the World Wants to Free Itself ... by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have been following closely the adoptation of open source within European Union lately. It seems they are working, studying and experimenting this in many fronts.

    This is indeed good news.

    The fact of the matter is that if the world wants to free itself from the American hegemony and economic dominance in the 21st century, one of the critical things it must do is free itself from dependence on American Proprietary software, particularly operating systems, with all of their NSA backdoors, NSA-inspired weak cryptography, deliberate incompatabilities, moving development targets, subscription pricing, and so on. Probably the smartest and best approach is to leverage software freedom by using Free Software and developing home-grown talent and expertise in customizing it for local or regional use. Not only does that allow a solid audit of existing code (and help insure against malicious code a la Microsoft's NSA_KEY), but it creates a breeding ground for local expertise and a local software industry.

    Of course, Europe is already on par with the United States in this area despite our home-grown software monopoly, but for the developing world this is a tremendous boon, and it is exciting to see countries like China and India embrace software freedom.

    China: ~1 Billion
    India: ~1 Billion

    That is already about a third of humanity. Add to that Germany, Brazil, Colombia, etc. and you have a ground swell that must boggle Bill Gate's mind. Even if Palladium and DRM were to do their worst, effectively banning Free Software in the United States, it would only be the United States that suffers ... the bulk of the rest of the world seems to already have made their choice for freedom, and are poised to sprint right past us into the information age if we are foolish enough to cripple ourselves in the way Microsoft and Hollywood are lobbying Washington to do.

    Next time we feel depressed, or run down, in hearing the latest bad news from Washington we can take heart that, at worst, it is only the United States emasculating its own information industry, not humanity as a whole. I, for one (despite being an American who will undoubtably suffer both economically and intellectually if the battles against Palladium and DRM are lost), take heart in that.

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  16. Re:One of the interesting implications.. by ma_sivakumar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    True. Exposure is the key. I am not a programmer, but having exposed to open source through slashdot for a year or so, when I set up my business recently decided to use Linux etc.

    All the companies I talked for assistance in development work only with Microsoft solutions and were not willing to consider my project. Finally I decided to hire two fresh graduates, they are bright guys fresh out of college (no prior Linux exposure) with a little Unix usage.

    They saw my system, there were immediately hooked and installed Linux in their home computers also to play around. Initially they could not write html by hand. After a couple of days they were comfortable

    The government promoting open source will have broader implications, since the middle class in India puts a great faith in everything Government. If the government says it will be good. When a boy/girl wants to do a course on Linux, the parents will be more willing to spare the cash, if there is a government label on it.

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  17. Re:please mod down racist humour by The+Original+Yama · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I found it funny, and I'm Hindu. I don't think it was intended to offend (and if it was, I have more important things to worry about than this). I think it's just silly childish humour (kinda like my sig.).

    Don't have a cow, man.

  18. Re:so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "I thought US was a free nation."

    Doesn't mean it is a *smart* nation.