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New Anti-Circumvention Rulemaking Coming Soon

zurab writes "According to CNet, copyright regulators are considering a rare public comment (pdf) process on the controversial DMCA law. The article states they are mostly looking for what kind of exceptions they should make to the law." If you recall, the Librarian of Congress is required by law to conduct a review process every three years to see if there are any specific types of works which should be exempted from part of the DMCA. You can see loc.gov for some information about the current and previous rulemaking procedures, and this piece I wrote after the last rulemaking was finished, examining what did and didn't work to convince the bureaucrats.

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  1. Fritz' hit list by giminy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Removing regulation for the types of thing listed on Fritz' hit list would be a start. How to word that, though? "Devices for personal playback of digitally encoded data and/or video" might be a good phrase :). I don't expect them to be so liberal, though.

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    1. Re:Fritz' hit list by Kissing+Crimson · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That gave me an interesting idea. Eventually these laws (ala the Corps making them get written) are going to end up cancelling each other out.

      To summarize:
      The DMCA says you cannot build a 'device' that can circumvent(blah blah) a copy or access control system. To use this to their advantage, Sony decides to build a new DVD player and markets matching DVDs that are only authorized to be played on those systems.

      Ding! Instant monopoly position. But I digress...

      Anyway, Time Warner and Disney also get the bright idea to do something like this at the same time (maybe because of reading some slightly anarchistic postings on a popular online message board?)

      At this point you are not allowed to play a Sony DVD on a Time Warner DVD player, or vice versa.

      This gets ugly for both the Corps and the consumers.

      Sound like fantasy? So would have the DMCA ten years ago.

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  2. Dont exampt anything! by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Interesting
    If we want the supreme court to rule the dmca unconstitutional then we definetly want all the bad parts intact. For example, if we take off the clauses that deal with free speech and hyperlinking, then the dmca will remain fully constitutional and will remain intact for all eternity. Linux will die off thanks to palidium which ms will use the dmca to make sure only windows will run on it.

    And no, code has not been ruled as free speech according to the courts. Linux will not qualify as speech and will be unprotected by the us constitution. The judge presiding over the case of the MPAA vs Jon Johnshon ruled that code was a series of "actions" rather then "expressions" and will remain how courts look at code untill another judge questions this.

    If the dmca is ever overturned then we can port linux to pallidium and the xbox without a mod chip and ms wont be able to do shit.

    Please common on about the unconsitutionalality of the law but do not write comments about specific bad sections which may help the EFF in court.

    1. Re:Dont exampt anything! by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Informative
      "I don't think that this will entirely be legal"



      Why not? Don't be brainwashed into this thinking by the big media companies. It is only illegal under the dmca to reverse engineer something. Ms does not own your motherboard or xbox after you purchase it. You do.

      Could you clone it? No, that would be fraud and the hardware may be copyrighted.

      But you can do whatever it is you want this it.

      Copyright laws today give patent like powers to copyright holders which is wrong. I think its bs that a company can claim to own someting you bought. The dmca gives them these powers. It gives them a limited set of rules that a consumer can't do.

      Also if it were actually illegal to reverse engineer hardware, then all computers except IBM's would be illegal.

      After all compaq must of broken the law by writing their own bios and creating the first pc clone. Right?

    2. Re:Dont exampt anything! by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually PC clones are illegal under the DMCA, thats the point I run into the ground on every single mailing to my congress critters

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  3. Discussion of security vulnerabilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Free speech involving security vulnerabilities.

    It makes little sense to be allowed to post a patch containing C code to fix a security vulnerability to a public mailing list, and yet not be able to post English text that contains the same information.

    I don't particularly care about not being able to "make mp3z from my cdz", but I don't want my webservers rooted just because somebody wasn't allowed to post a patch.

    If somebody doesn't patch their server, they are being irresponsible, not the person who posts details of the vulnerability.

    At the end of the day, if your server is vulnerable, disconnect it from the network. If you don't like the idea of download, use software that doesn't have a terrible track record of security flaws.

  4. What's broke? by octalgirl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hmmm - where to begin? How about if it's as easy as breaking by swiping a black magic marker around the edge then it can't count. How about proof that this law has actually put $$$ into the hands of the artists. Ensuring that papers and discussions, especially related to news and education, absolutely cannot result in an arrest as what happened to Dimtry or that professor who was threatened. (After all, Dimtry has PhD in cryptography - if he's not allowed to talk, who is?).

    Make a change? Then ensure that no matter what, peoples right to fair use and free speech cannot be infringed by this law.

  5. What they should except from the DMCA by porkface · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Everything starting with the title.

    But seriously, you can't pick apart this law, because its only teeth are the same words that prevent perfectly legitimate products and acts? The whole thing must go. Congress might come up with a laundry list of devices that are legitimate (Dreamcast serial cable) vs. devices that are often illegitimate (Xbox mod chip - hold the flames), but such a list would be instantly outdated. And then there's the problem of multiple classifications when people want to run Linux on their Xboxes and make all kinds of wonderfull new toys and usefull setups out of them. That is not copyright infringement, and yet it's prevented by a law that purports to be all about copyrights.

    The DMCA should be taken off the books and the problem should be reapproached with new cooperation between enforcement and lawmakers, as well as a renewed ownous on industry to create solutions. Big media has ignored companies offering (more) secure solutions for years and let many of those companies dry up. It could have been a significant boon to the economy had the uber-rich media giants invested in these solutions rather than on lawyers and lobyists. Too often I heard them saying that Bertlesman / Napster was a test case and that its failure was their reason for reluctance. But what they failed to see was that Napster didn't have the desire to change their ways, let alone the experience and skill to come up with a valid solution. If these giant record labels and movie studios don't grow some balls and try some solutions...invest in some budding technologies, they deserve to fail.

    I'm not an expert, but it appears to me that the DMCA doesn't protect copyrights that weren't already protected under existing laws.

    Perhaps the legislative efforts should be focused on giving enforcement more ways to go after blatantly illegal networks and their users. Less public sharing channels could be gone after much the same way law enforcement goes after the mob. They don't outlaw baseball bats and guns, they catch someone in the act go up the tree from there by getting information and following known mobsters until they trip up.

  6. This is all wrong! by SuperCal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The article states they are mostly looking for what kind of exceptions they should make to the law." Um... May I suggest instead, we pressure legislators not to make a blanket law and then pock holes in it. If that is their approach they will undoubtedly leave perfectly acceptable actions illegal. It is my belief that the lawmakers should always error on the side of freedom and smaller government. List which situations to which the law applies, and not a list of when the law it doesn't apply.
    Just so you know I wrote this three times. I was so angered the first time that the draft made no since and the second time I wrote too emotionally. This time I wrote it too fast, but now I'm tired of writing it.

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    1. Re:This is all wrong! by SEWilco · · Score: 5, Funny
      Actually, this entire issue is illegal.

      1. Discussing what is wrong with the DMCA could cause the DMCA to be revoked.
      2. Revoking the DMCA would remove its protection of protection systems.
      3. The DMCA is a protection system of protection systems.
      4. The DMCA makes breaking protection systems illegal.
      5. Attempting to break the DMCA violates the DMCA.
      6. Attempting to have anyone alter this law is a violation of this law.

      Therefore I have nothing but good things to say about the DMCA: It has many wonderfully organized words, the authors are very intelligent, and the Federal Register is a well-organized piece of literature.

  7. Ban regional coding. by stuartkahler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Regional coding (mostly in DVDs) should be banned. Most DVDs released in other countries never come out here, and I shouldn't have to buy a second DVD player set to the another region to watch DVDs from overseas. If a movie doesn't get released in the theaters of a country overseas until AFTER the DVD release here in the US, the producing company doesn't deserve the financial help of any law to make up for their slow release schedule.

    Regional coding is the kind of thing that I would expect from China, not the USA.

  8. Limiting the Reach by RebelTycoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about having this law only apply to individuals who violate the law in the United States.

    How about in general the U.S. limit their laws to people who live in the States.

  9. Code is speech by Gerry+Gleason · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Clearly, the court got this wrong, and it is important to get this ruling changed (I know, could be very hard). I think the most persuasive argument is/will be that there is no place where you can draw the line between talking about code, and actual code. As 'instruction' rather than 'actions', code is clearly speech. It only becomes actions when compiled or interpreted and run on actual hardware. The lawyers fighting on the side of goodness here need to be able to deflect this kind of stupidity immediately and in context so bad ruling don't have the power of precident.

    Think of a favorite analogy of algorithms as 'recipes'. They can't ban "The Anarchists Cookbook", just stop you from actually cooking something up and using it. Any judge should be able to understand it this way.

  10. Real exemption for scientific research by Xcott+Craver · · Score: 5, Informative

    It annoys me greatly when someone tells me the DMCA contains an exemption for scientists. This supposed exemption is an extremely thin, virtually nonexistent concession to the scientific community.

    Aside from being limited to "encryption research" (only one component of security research, which did not cover the SDMI researchers,) the exemption contains a ridiculous requirement that scientists first ask permission from companies before collecting data or performing experiments---data which, coincidentally, might embarrass those companies. Is there any good reason why third parties should have themselves written into the scientific method?

    Another major problem with the exemption: it only permits one step in the scientific process, the actual collection of data, the act of circumventing a DRM system. The next step, publishing or sharing that data with the scientific community, doesn't seem to be exempted, and has been the target of legal disputes in the past.

    What I'd like to see: an exemption for the entire scientific method, which doesn't require the scientific community to be restructured or centralized or authorized by an entertainment industry or any other arbitrary group who can write laws.

  11. Phew! by Ligur · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought it said "New Anti-Circumcision Rulemaking"!

    I guress that's what happens when you read slashdot before you've had your first cup o coffe in the morning.

    Note to self: Keep coffe machine by the bed.

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  12. There are many non-criminal circumvention purposes by rollingcalf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Playing a DVD on a Linux PC is not a criminal act. Creating your own personal "various artists" CD out of a dozen albums which you have paid for is not a crime. Moving music you have paid for from a CD to a portable MP3 player is not a crime.

    Unfortunately, the copy-protection mechanisms often force people to use circumvention techniques to perform the above legal activities. There are many legally justified reasons for using circumvention techniques, but the entertainment industry wants to make circumvention itself illegal even though it often is not used as "an action for preparing for a crime".

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  13. Misguided by underwhelm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Please read the PDF the LOC has provided. They state clearly their mandate from congress and what arguments might sway them.

    The LOC doesn't give two rats whiskers about the constitutionality of the law. Do not write to them about the constitutionality of the law. They have one mandate, and that is to examine if there are "classes of works" for which enforcement of the DMCA would "substantially harm" legitimate, non-infringing use of those classes of works.

    The legal battles to have the law overturned as unconstitutional are a logically seperate issue from what the LOC rules. If the LOC exempts certain classes of works (as it has already two), then either the law will be declared unconstitutional for another reason or enough works will be exempted (due to legitimate argumentation from interested/harmed parties) that the DMCA will be unenforceable by its own mandate.

    The best solution would be to argue to the LOC according to its terms, conceding its strict mandate and forming coherent reasons that everything worthwhile should be exempt (one class at a time, like the PDF requests), and fight the battle of unconstitutionality in the courts. Any spurious assertions or argumentation will be posted on the LOC's webpage, but nobody will read past the first paragraph.

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  14. Woah there, tiger! by underwhelm · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I encourage everyone to read the PDF linked in the submission.

    The LOC has a narrow mandate and they lay out very clearly what they will listen to and what they will not.

    If you hope to submit a comment, or have any effect on the DMCA as a member of the general public, short of getting elected to congress or becoming a defendant, for god's sake read the PDF and construct a coherent argument according to their guidelines.

    Last time around, these guidelines were not available as the LOC had a short time to prepare and didn't really know what they were looking for. This time the rules of the game are more clear. I think this provides circumvention advocates with a clearer path to a beneficial rulemaking.

    Examples of things they don't want to hear about:
    • Constitutionality
    • Extrajurisdictional enforcement
    • Hypotheticals, unless they are going to come to pass in the next three years

    What they do want to hear about:
    • Classes of works (along traditional categories of authorship like musical works, literature, databases
    • and how enforcement of the DMCA in the substantially hampers non-infringing use


    • This isn't exhaustive. Read the PDF. Thanks.
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  15. My less glib response by underwhelm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would be like asking a janitor in the Supreme Court building to declare the DMCA unconstitutional. You could do it, and he could do it, but it would have no effect because he has no mandate or authority.

    You'd be wasting everyone's time.

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