As a swede I've always been skeptical about the US citizens right to bear arms, but in one stroke it all became clear to me!
Two wrongs do make a right!
"Fantasizing about what is going in it isn't healthy or normal."
If there was no porn for me to watch, you can bet I'd still be fantasizing about women. The question of healthiness is irrelevant, these are pedophiles, obviously if we agree it is an unhealthy state of mind, them watching kiddie porn, actual or not, is hardly the cause of their condition. On the question of what is normal and not, I think I addressed it in my earlier post. Not for us to judge.
"It's certainly not out of the realm of possibilities that someone exposed to such material for a long time could be desensitized to it and want to perform it for real."
While I agree it's certainly not out of the realm of possibilities, that mere fact does not hold any weight in and of it self. It's just like you said, all about the context. I'm sure desentesizing is a factor, however I do not believe it's a given and that a sweeping judgment can be made of any group based on such speculation with any accuracy.
In my opinion these points are mute in any case, because I believe the right of others to choose freely supersedes my fear of them making the wrong one. But that's a personal opinion and ideology which I don't expect anyone else to conform to.
What I do expect is some restraint when it comes to banning *anything* from existence. Especially information and art. In this case not art in the sense of beauty but art in the sense of creation from someones imagination.
You use movies as an example. Allright. How about pictures glorifying murder? How about specific movies glorifying murder? Couldn't we ban them too? Just the ones not showing the consequences? How about anything glorifying or encouraging *anything* that's unhealthy and not normal?
Look, I'm sorry to rant on like this, I usually try to stay away from slashdot-arguments. I just don't think I know enough to keep anyone from knowing anything, not even what child abuse looks like. I don't think you know enough either.
Well, it's not about what you or I believe others get out of kiddie porn, that's the whole point.
This is about expressions of someones imagination. Let's say some pedophiles out there have an additional fetish for bathing suits. How is cartoon kiddie porn different by your standards than any other "harmless" pictures of children in bathing suits that might arouse pedophiles? In both cases no children were (presumably)harmed in the production of the image. In both cases it according to you excites pedophiles to the point where they might act on their impulses. The *only* difference is that in the first case it fits into our personal borders of "ok", and the second it doesn't.
Who's to say what we like is good and what we don't is bad? Sifting through your arguments that's the only solid one I can find. You don't like it and that makes it bad, and bad things should not exist ergo what you don't like should not exist.
I accept that things that I don't like exist as long as they don't harm me or others, as long as the things I like that others don't are allowed to exist as well.
This is basic dude, do onto others. All others.
I know better than to go troll-hunting but then again I'm not that smart.
Violent video games would by your argument "encourage behaviour that is outright wrong with material that has no valid reason to exist.". The reason for them both existing being the same: pleasure, distraction, entertainment.
Not to by any means belittle the evils of child pornography, however, murder is farther to the bad side of my scale.
So tell me all depictions of things that are wrong, or even things that encourage "wrong behaviour" should be banned so I can dismiss your opinion outright.
Since slashdot utilizes the same method of user-censorship of comments, does this mean slashdot is accusing itself of censorship by having this article on the frontpage?
It makes me kind of sad to think that there's so few people around to hug those who need it that we need an artificial replacement.
Where's the love, man?
I know it's a knee-jerk comment, and no I didn't RTFA but isn't it funny how the main function of western media is to condense everything to top-10 type lists to accommodate shrinking attention-spans?
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As a swede I've always been skeptical about the US citizens right to bear arms, but in one stroke it all became clear to me!
Two wrongs do make a right!
"Fantasizing about what is going in it isn't healthy or normal."
If there was no porn for me to watch, you can bet I'd still be fantasizing about women. The question of healthiness is irrelevant, these are pedophiles, obviously if we agree it is an unhealthy state of mind, them watching kiddie porn, actual or not, is hardly the cause of their condition. On the question of what is normal and not, I think I addressed it in my earlier post. Not for us to judge.
"It's certainly not out of the realm of possibilities that someone exposed to such material for a long time could be desensitized to it and want to perform it for real."
While I agree it's certainly not out of the realm of possibilities, that mere fact does not hold any weight in and of it self. It's just like you said, all about the context. I'm sure desentesizing is a factor, however I do not believe it's a given and that a sweeping judgment can be made of any group based on such speculation with any accuracy.
In my opinion these points are mute in any case, because I believe the right of others to choose freely supersedes my fear of them making the wrong one. But that's a personal opinion and ideology which I don't expect anyone else to conform to.
What I do expect is some restraint when it comes to banning *anything* from existence. Especially information and art. In this case not art in the sense of beauty but art in the sense of creation from someones imagination.
You use movies as an example. Allright. How about pictures glorifying murder? How about specific movies glorifying murder? Couldn't we ban them too? Just the ones not showing the consequences? How about anything glorifying or encouraging *anything* that's unhealthy and not normal?
Look, I'm sorry to rant on like this, I usually try to stay away from slashdot-arguments. I just don't think I know enough to keep anyone from knowing anything, not even what child abuse looks like. I don't think you know enough either.
Well, it's not about what you or I believe others get out of kiddie porn, that's the whole point.
This is about expressions of someones imagination. Let's say some pedophiles out there have an additional fetish for bathing suits. How is cartoon kiddie porn different by your standards than any other "harmless" pictures of children in bathing suits that might arouse pedophiles? In both cases no children were (presumably)harmed in the production of the image. In both cases it according to you excites pedophiles to the point where they might act on their impulses. The *only* difference is that in the first case it fits into our personal borders of "ok", and the second it doesn't.
Who's to say what we like is good and what we don't is bad? Sifting through your arguments that's the only solid one I can find. You don't like it and that makes it bad, and bad things should not exist ergo what you don't like should not exist.
I accept that things that I don't like exist as long as they don't harm me or others, as long as the things I like that others don't are allowed to exist as well.
This is basic dude, do onto others. All others.
I know better than to go troll-hunting but then again I'm not that smart.
Violent video games would by your argument "encourage behaviour that is outright wrong with material that has no valid reason to exist.". The reason for them both existing being the same: pleasure, distraction, entertainment. Not to by any means belittle the evils of child pornography, however, murder is farther to the bad side of my scale. So tell me all depictions of things that are wrong, or even things that encourage "wrong behaviour" should be banned so I can dismiss your opinion outright.
Looks like Stephen Colbert wasn't so far off after all!
Damn, I wish you could delete your own comments...
That should be WorldNetDaily accusing slashdot of censorship. Which isn't nearly as amusing.
Since slashdot utilizes the same method of user-censorship of comments, does this mean slashdot is accusing itself of censorship by having this article on the frontpage?
It makes me kind of sad to think that there's so few people around to hug those who need it that we need an artificial replacement.
Where's the love, man?
...she's been on One tree hill for years now.
Trying to keep my blood from spilling on the motherboard makes me feel like a man!
That's how that polarbear fits into Lost!
Say what you will about his games, but the man sure knows how to create a buzz. And just for the record, it's "Molyneux".
So where are all the hardcore adult video games?
I really like that idea, you wouldn't happen to know if there's some extention that does that exact thing would you?
I know it's a knee-jerk comment, and no I didn't RTFA but isn't it funny how the main function of western media is to condense everything to top-10 type lists to accommodate shrinking attention-spans?
Sounds like a beefed up version of Urban Dead.
The option of doing things that would get your head blown off in real life?
So THAT's why the Breen wear those suits despite their planet being temperate.
Anybody?
Aw, crap. Next time I'll pull a reference to TNG.
Didn't that game like... suck?
I'm confused... I thought your point was we couldn't?
*clears throat*
Varanassi hoo!!!
"Jack the Flipper"?
Is larger fonts the key to getting attention to another "Google killer"-story?
Don't forget Indiana Jones whip.
You're right, I guess it's wrong to call that a game-breaker, it screwed the continuity up pretty good though.