KDevelop 3.0 beta 1

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Posted by Hemos on Monday October 14, 2002 @02:23AM from the get-yer-develop-on dept.

e8johan writes "The KDevelop team has released the first beta of KDevelop 3.0 a.k.a. Gideon (download here). The GUI has been completely rewritten, support has been added for more languages, auto-completion, etc. Plus a bundle of improvements, the change overview can be found here. Judging from the screenshots ( 1, 2 and 3) it looks even more promissing than I dared to hope for!"

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Error by rickms · 2002-10-14 02:28 · Score: 5, Informative

It's ALPHA 1, not beta. Rick

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1. Re:Error by e8johan · 2002-10-14 03:25 · Score: 2
  
  I'm sorry, my fault!
  
  I hope that I haven't caused to much inconvinience. But you must admit, it does look good!
Holy crap by Apreche · 2002-10-14 03:40 · Score: 2, Interesting

I've always used KDevelop for linux C and C++ development. Looks like I'll be using it for Java soon as well. Hooray!

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Re:Gack! by PhilipChapman · 2002-10-14 04:07 · Score: 3, Informative

Thats Keramik, the new Qt Style/Window Decoration thats going to be in KDE 3.1

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Multi Language IDE by J0ey4 · 2002-10-14 04:22 · Score: 2, Interesting

Is anyone aware of how extensive their support for non-C++ projects will be. Are they going to include full debugging capabilities? Perhaps have a javadoc tab similar to the current QT documentation tab?

This is extremely exciting stuff, I am not aware of any other IDE that let you develop in multiple languages AND multiple toolkits...if they are fully supporting those other languages and toolkits like they do with C++ and QT.....wow....I'm going to be using this for everything I do from now on.....
1. Re:Multi Language IDE by uradu · 2002-10-14 05:07 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  > I am not aware of any other IDE that let you develop in multiple languages AND multiple toolkits
  
  On Linux maybe. You are aware that KDevelop is (more or less closely) tracking the Visual Studio IDE from Microsoft? It used to look A LOT like VC++, and with version 3 it's adopting the new VS.NET look and functionality, including the New Project dialog and the code expansion and collapsing features (the tree gadgets on the left of the code). Not that that's a bad thing, the VS.NET has some pretty neat features.
2. Re:Multi Language IDE by Samrobb · 2002-10-14 07:04 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  I am not aware of any other IDE that let you develop in multiple languages AND multiple toolkits
  
  How about Eclipse?
  The Java suppor is mature; the C/C++ tools are due for a release by the end of the month; and a Cobol tools project just got underway. "Unofficial" tools projects include Python, C#, AspectJ, Eiffel, Ruby, and others
  
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3. Re:Multi Language IDE by Samrobb · 2002-10-15 04:05 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  don't get me wrong, i like eclipse. I've used it periodically, but to say that it can handle multiple languages and toolkits is a bid misleading
  
  Ummm... it can handle multiple languages and toolkits. I'm using it for Java, C, and C++ development (multiple languages), and for testing cross-platform development. I've used it to compile a Linux kernel, build a couple of GNU utilities, and compile GUI apps using GTK and QT.
  
  Languages support is better in some instances than in others. C/C++ is more than usable; I haven't used any other language features, but I've seen messages from folks actively developing those features and using those languages.
  
  As for "Python, C#, Aspect, Eiffel, and Ruby are all 3rd-party add-ons and not officially supported"... Eclipse is an open source project under IBM's CPL. The only difference, AFAICT, between "supported" and "unsupported" projects is that "supported" projects have Eclipse consortium members devoting resources to them.
  
  Other than that, everyone has the same code, everyone uses the same APIs, and the Eclipse core team is just as likely to take a patch from a Python feature developer as a CDT or Cobol team developer. Eclipse is usable for developing in multiple languages and toolkits now, and that level of support and usablity is only going to increase as time goes by.
  
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4. Re:Multi Language IDE by ChrisWong · 2002-10-18 02:33 · Score: 2
  
  Eclipse easily eats up 100MB of RAM on my machine. Most Java-capable IDEs need lots of memory, unfortunately. It would be nice to have an IDE with a little less footprint, which is why kdevelop looks so promising.
Re:Gack! by Seli · 2002-10-14 04:36 · Score: 2, Insightful

Is it really that difficult to select a different widgets style if you don't one?
How about some more bug fixes? by uradu · 2002-10-14 04:57 · Score: 4, Insightful

Before adding tons of new features? I like KDevelop and use it a lot, but it's got plenty of glitches, such as buggy syntax highlighting settings and a broken help viewer (BACK button doesn't work amongst other things). How about some simple but nice additions like Go To Declaration, jump between declaration and definition, etc? Plus, it would be great to have some sort of macro capabilities inside the IDE, on a per-project basis.
1. Re:How about some more bug fixes? by sultanoslack · 2002-10-14 08:41 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  How about you do some bug fixes, or how exactly was it that you planned for these fixes to happen?
  Really, I'm not trying to flame, but this is Open Source, and I will repeat the thing that has been said several times: We do this in our spare time. Please don't complain about what we do in our spare time.
  This isn't to say that you can't get the bug fixed.
  Report it!: (Too many people don't realize that reporting bugs is important and valued!)
  Fix it yourself: Hey, that's what this is all about! This is the developers section, and a thread about a development tool. You've got the source, go for it!
  Pay someone to fix it: Seriously. Everyone thinks this a catch all, but many of the KDE developers, myself included would be willing to fix bugs for a modest price. Put EUR/$ 50 behind your request, and it's likely to happen! Hell, send a 6 pack of beer and you're likely to have a new friend.
  I'm just trying to put this in perspective. The KDE devopers specifically, and most OSS developers in general do this for fun in their spare time. And here's another little secret: there aren't many of us. I would guess that 90% of the Open Source software that currently being worked on is developed by less than 500 people (That's just developers; there are a lot of wonderful translators and documentors out there too.).
  We really try to produce great software, and in fact I think we succeed, but if you care about the stuff, please, help out! Donate something: time, money, hardware, whatever. It will be infinitely more appreciated and fruitful than complaining on Slashdot.
2. Re:How about some more bug fixes? by uradu · 2002-10-14 09:02 · Score: 2
  
  > How about you do some bug fixes
  
  Well, it comes down to inertia. The thought of pouring over endless lines of someone else's code to understand its design and find the bug(s) would usually put me off doing what you suggest, but I might just do it anyway if I download Gideon and see that my pet bugs are still there. Even though that would mean interrupting a project to fix a tool, but what the heck.
Re:Gack! by fault0 · 2002-10-14 05:16 · Score: 5, Informative

> doesn't change looks completely every 4-12 months.

The last time KDE had a new default style was KDE 2.0. It came out in October 23, 2000.

Anyways, keramik is not exactly the default style. It's just one of the options that comes upon running kpersonalizer, which is run automatically when the user runs KDE for the first time.

Your math isn't exactly adding up.

> I have to agree with bubbles, looks good on OS X , but leave it there.

I don't like keramik either, but I support giving the user the right to chose whatever they want. Besides, keramik reminds me more of Mozilla's old modern theme than Aqua, anyways.
Re:Gack! by Pengo · 2002-10-14 06:09 · Score: 2

> Your math isn't exactly adding up.

It wasn't supposed to, I was being extremely sarcastic. (it's monday for christ sake).

> I don't like keramik either, but I support giving the user the right to chose whatever they want. Besides, keramik reminds me more of Mozilla's old modern theme than Aqua, anyways.

I like choice, as much as anyone. But, I must admit.. I do believe that there is a point where less is more.

This isn't meant to spawn a flame thread, but your response was interesting and I would be interested to know what you think about the moving philosophy of simplifying gnome , in a less-is-more fashion. Redhat has definately done that with redhat 8.0, and I must say (after using it for 3-4 days) I -REALLY- like it.

I wish KDE would take that initive as well, though again I like what Redhat has done to 'cripple' KDE as well. (though, I find myself using gnome now exclusively).

Cheers
What Irony by dbretton · 2002-10-18 02:39 · Score: 2

As I read the posts on ./ regarding KDevelop, what appears on the page? Well, a big ol' fat ad for Microsoft Visual Studio for .NET.

lol
Hmm Python support in the crystal ball? by nurb432 · 2002-10-25 09:24 · Score: 2

With java support coming, is this likely too?

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