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Using Microwaves to Drill Through Glass

Linux_ho writes "UPI is reporting that Israeli researchers have developed a drill that can melt a small hole in glass, ceramics, or concrete with no dust or noise. Nature.com reports that it doesn't work very well with good heat conductors or materials with very high melting points, but the researchers envision a wide variety of manufacturing applications, and possibly some medical uses as well."

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  1. And spy movie uses! by ottffssent · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can it be suction-cupped onto a piece of glass to cut a perfect circle out?

  2. Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've always wanted holes in my windows.

    1. Re:Excellent by hplasm · · Score: 5, Funny

      Get Windows XP. The holes included are numerous.

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  3. So... by iomud · · Score: 5, Funny

    What kind of time are we talking about for the average hotpocket? I'm just thinking about the immediate benefits here.

  4. Not quite by jukal · · Score: 4, Insightful
    By heating a target to nearly 2,000 C, the microwaves soften it up enough for a small rod to be pushed through

    So, the article was a bit misleading as the microwaves are not enough to go through.

  5. Max Depth? by BoBaBrain · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The article mentions that it can only drill to a depth equal to a quarter of its wavelength. Why is this?

    Surely it could also drill at depths of .75, 1.25, 1.75 etc.

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    1. Re:Max Depth? by AlecC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As I read the article, below 1/4 wave, the drill bit behaved more like a hosepipe - microwave frequency oscillations in the conducting drill bit produce an intense microwave field just beyoind the point of the bit - probably using the Near Field bits of Maxwell's equations, which I never did understand. Above 1/4 wavelength, the drill bit functions as a tradition aeriel, radiating the energy sideways from the drill bit. It is not that some sort of effect doesn't exist at the end of the bit, it is that far to much energy escapes sideways to make it worthwhile.

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    2. Re:Max Depth? by Ilari · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the article: "The device is limited to a penetration depth of a quarter of the wavelength of the microwaves used -- in this case, about an inch. If the drill bit is any longer, the microwaves are no longer beamed forward but instead radiate in every direction like an antenna."

      If I understand correctly the drill works as a highly directive antenna - beaming microwaves towards the material to be melted. The drill needs to be short to achieve good directivity.

      Different frequenciens have different penetration depths - that is, how deep the electric field or radiation energy can penetrate into the material which is being "drilled". The penetration depth also depends on the conductivity of the material, so different materials can have very different penetration depths for the same frequency.

      I think the depth of "a quarter of its wavelength" is just a very approximate rule given to journalists. It is more of a comparison rule: the penetration depth is comparable to a quarter of the wavelength. (Although I'm not sure why, the penetration depth is proportional to the square root of the wavelength, if I remember correctly.)

      After they have reached the penetration depth, they need to move the antenna/drill forward. So of course they can drill deeper holes than that, but not at a time.

      What kind of an "antenna" are they using? To achieve good directivity, they would need to use "traveling wave antennas" (or whatever they are called in english), I'd imagine. Does anybody know any details of this?

    3. Re:Max Depth? by AlecC · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The antenne *is* the drill bit - and the quarter wave rule is to stop it acting as a real antenna and broadcasting microwaves all round the room. Below 1/4 wavelength, some undecribed mechanism creates intense heating just below the drill bit, which is where you want to drill. They can't move the drill forward without moving the (presumably non-conducting) chuck, or all their micropwave energy will radiate sideways, gently heating that which they do not want to heat and failing to heat that which they want to drill.

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  6. CPU key fobs by Perdo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I doubt that steel conducts the heat away too fast. I'd wager that the steel conducts the RF radiation itself. Just like this device has an antenna, steel would be an antenna too. Not exactly impedance matched, but certainly enough to prevent the steel from being heated except across the entire piece.

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  7. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Burglars and Bankrobbers Corp. raised it forcasts for the financial year 2003 after a R&D breaktrough.

  8. Not a big deal by Sinbit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was doing the same thing over 10 years ago for my Master's thesis with a pulsed CO2 laser with ~500W time averaged output. What is the advantage of using a microwave beam over a CO2 laser?

    1. Re:Not a big deal by geordieboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's probably a lot cheaper - the article says
      that this microwave device is not more expensive
      than a mechanical drill. How much does a 500W laser cost?

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    2. Re:Not a big deal by crywolf · · Score: 4, Informative

      If I'm understanding correctly, the microwave beam has a very limited range. This would make it much harder to accidentally hurt someone with it. You can hurt someone on the other side of a large room, or possibly in the next room over, with an industrial laser.

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    3. Re:Not a big deal by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 4, Funny
      How much does a 500W laser cost?

      I have no idea:

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    4. Re:Not a big deal by Idarubicin · · Score: 5, Interesting
      What is the advantage of using a microwave beam over a CO2 laser?

      There are a number of advantages. First is price--you can use off-the-shelf microwave oven pieces for most of a microwave drill. Granted, carbon dioxide cutting lasers are also available essentially off the shelf from a limited number of suppliers, but they tend to run in the tens of thousands of dollars.

      Durability. Laser tubes don't tend to be happy about being moved about a lot. They contain optics that are very sensitive to misalignment.

      Size. Microwave sources for this application would be quite a bit smaller than a carbon dioxide laser, especially when you add in all the ancillary equipment in my next point. In addition, combining size and durability makes a much more portable tool.

      Limited complexity. No delicate optics. No vacuum system. No water cooling system. No mixed lasing gas to deal with.

      Safety. Lasers can remain well collimated for significant distances--you can make holes in your coworkers from across the room if you're not careful. A microwave drill as described isn't acutely dangerous beyond an inch or two from the end of the drill bit. (There might be heating effects beyond that distance, but reflex action--Ow! It's hot! I'm moving my hand now!--would likely be sufficient to protect you. You need the same level of common sense that it takes to operate a band saw--don't put your fingers near the business end!)

      So, that's why microwaves would be advantageous. That said, CO2 lasers can perform extremely well, as long as you don't have to move them to the field. Manufacturers already exist for the lasers, and it's a proven technology.

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  9. Re:Military applications by sirius_bbr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I suppose it also melts through bunkers and armoured vehicles?

    I agree on the concrete bunkers, but I don't think it would work on armoured vehicles (assuming the armor is some sort of metal), since the article states it only works on non-conductive materials.

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  10. Build your own by dubstop · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you want to know how to build something similar yourself, Kent Fukuzura has some easy to follow instructions.

  11. Jewlery stores by hatchet · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess jewlery stores will now use transparent aluminium instead.

  12. Re:Military applications by AlecC · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except that the leatest, greatest armour is ceramic, not steel. But, according to the article, it limited to the 1/4 wave of the microwaves - an inch or so. And it only makes tiny holes. Somehow I doubt that making pinholes in the armour of a tank is going to slow it down much.

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  13. IP Violation! by Da+Fokka · · Score: 3, Funny

    That device is very similar to my 'Death Ray TM'

  14. Apple's Cube by terraformer · · Score: 3, Funny

    This probably would have solved the cracking problem in Apples now defunct cube...

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  15. Re:Microwave and Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Common mis-understanding about microwaves. Cooking "from the inside out" is misleading. They only penetrate 3-4 cms (Might want to check exact). This is why cooking large items in a microwave is problematic.

    You risk burning the outside of the food while the inside is still under cooked. For things like roasts, etc it is still better to use the slow and steady approach as the temperature has more of a chance to distribute evenly throughout the food, ensuring an even consistency. But I digress.

  16. Re:Microwave and Me by GigsVT · · Score: 5, Informative

    Your warning is a good one, but generally you do feel "warm" if you step in front of an active feed horn, before any damage is done.

    You are very correct about the blindness though, looking directly into a hot horn can blind you before you knew what happened. Your eyes resonate right around the microwave range and absorbe them readily.

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  17. See what happens deep inside Israeli underground.. by gorehog · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...top secret weapons labratories?

    Physicist #1: Oh man, this Dr. Brown's Cel-Ray bottle would make a killer bong!

    Physicist #2: Ah, they shatter on the drill press, I tried it last week.

    Physicist #3: (eyes red and bleary)Hey, what's wrong with the microwave? I wanna make this popcorn.

    Physicist #1 & #2 (in harmony):Microwave?

  18. Medical uses? Bah! by Vortran · · Score: 4, Funny

    Think "Return of the Pink Panther in the 21st Century..."

    What else is a silent, dustless, precision glass cutter good for?

    Vortran out

    P.S. - This is a joke. Please do not feel compelled to point out that the thing probably fills up a whole lab and has all the portability of a pile of bricks.

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  19. Totally impractical... by NewbieV · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...until you can mount one of these on a shark's head... that would be frickin' cool!

    And then you could sell it here...

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  20. Re:Military applications by WowTIP · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sir? Could you please stop your tank a moment? We need to cut a BIG HOLE in it. Hello? Hello?

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  21. umm.... by Borealis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I could be wrong here, but wouldn't an ultraviolet laser be far more effective? Glass is not transparent to the UV spectrum so shouldn't it be able to "drill" right through it?

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  22. make the glass windows conductive by DrSkwid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    a conducting film or fine wire mesh in the wires should sort it

    plus you are goign to probably need a big battery to get through my double glazing

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    1. Re:make the glass windows conductive by |<amikaze · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So, would windows that already have the metal grid inside be resistant to this?

  23. Re:Medical uses? Bah! by sharkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    What else is a silent, dustless, precision glass cutter good for?

    An easily escaped, slow-starting, elaborate death-machine for the next Bond film?

    "Vell, vell, Meester Bont! Vonce dis meecrovawe emitter has reached your krotch, it vill begin to heatink it unt den ve vill be pushink a rod into it. Dis process vill be takink about tventy minutes to begin. Ve vill be leavink you to your fate now."

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  24. Re:Microwave and Me by GigsVT · · Score: 4, Informative

    I thought microwave ovens and the like work because the microwaves are the same frequency range as the rotational bands in water

    Well, sorta, but there is nothing magical about 2.4Ghz. It's not the "frequency that water resonates at", as I've even seen printed in semi-credible places.

    google cache of message

    This message on the wireless list sums it up pretty well, although it doesn't exist anymore, google cache has it.

    The bottom line is that lower frequencies penetrate better in general, 2.4Ghz is just a pretty good compromise between penetration and reflection/absorbtion.

    Of course things are different when you aren't inside a metal box like a microwave oven. In the oven, all reflected energy is going to eventually absorb into the object in the oven, or reflect back into the magnetotron. In free space, reflected waves are just going to fly off into space.

    In free space, objects that are about the right size to resonate at a frequency don't reflect much of the energy, they absorb most of the energy, but most of it stays near the surface, this is called the skin effect. High voltages are induced on the surface of the object that is resonating, causing resistive heating. This skin effect is also what is responsible for sparks when you have small metal objects in the microwave. Larger objects like spoons and forks are actually less likely to arc than things like metal twist-ties, the twist-ties are closer to resonant, and also have tiny ends which concentrate the voltage. (blunt objects are less likely to arc, arcing happens when the volts/surface area reach a critical value)

    The FCC has done lots of research on exposure to EM fields, and has come up with SAR (specific absorption rate) in humans, for many frequencies. It mostly boils down to this, your entire body most readily absorbs VHF energy around 400 Mhz, your head gets it worst around 900Mhz, and your eyes absorb the most in the microwave ranges. This is compounded by the fact that your corneas don't have much way to dissipate heat, and are pretty sensitive organs.

    Anyway, the original poster is right, don't play around with this stuff unless you understand it. Although, more likely to kill you taking a microwave oven apart is the 1000 volts at several amps that the power supply puts out. Nasty stuff. Much more dangerous than taking apart something like a monitor.

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  25. Security issues by macdaddy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This makes me wonder about security issues. Imagine if something powerful enough to direct these microwaves at glass from a distance. Lets also say the glass is bullet proof glass. Could that shatter the glass? Perhaps it doesn't destroy the glass but compromises its integrity to the point where teflon-coated bullets can penetrate it. Interesting....

  26. Re:Military applications by Mr.Sharpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well I think for anti-tank use, i don't think it would have to make a very big hole, or even a hole at all. All it needs to do is make a small hole of irregular shape, or even just weaken the armour in the impact location. If the armour loses its integrity in one spot, the area around that spot will fail if it is struck.

    If this device could be made small/cheap enough, think of this in the end of a missle or bomb, softening it's target as it approaches. Or more reusable, this along side the targeting laser for laser guided bombs.

  27. water cooled heatsink applications by t0qer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think this would rock for building a CPU heat exchanger. With hundreds of small tiny water filled holes it would wisk the heat away nicely.