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More Evidence of Increase in Profound Autism

I am Jack's username writes "The New York times has an article (no registration required) about an increase in profound autism in California of 273% between 1987 and 1998. Between 1999 and 2001 more than 6 500 cases were reported, similar to the number reported between 1970 to 1995. The increase cannot be accounted for by misdiagnosis, increased awareness, childhood immunizations, emigration, birth injuries, and genetics. Some autism experts think the actual cases to be dramatically more than reported in the UC study. See also previous discussions about high-function geek rich areas like silicon valley."

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  1. Evolution? by no_nicks_available · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know very little of the condition, but considering autistic people have some extraordinary abilities, is it possible this could be an evolutionary step?

    1. Re:Evolution? by ucblockhead · · Score: 5, Insightful
      No. Evolution doesn't work that way.

      The way evolution works is that there are many completely random variations and those that cause greater reproductive success are propogated.

      The only way to see an "evolutionary step" (itself a misnomer) is to see some variation that causes greatly enhanced success at breeding. Needless to say, we are not seeing that here.

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    2. Re:Evolution? by sbaker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Evolution lets you adapt to your environment. Considering
      > an autistic individual needs lots of supervision, this is
      > probably not the case.

      If you believe this is an evolutionary change (and I do not) then you'd have to conclude as follows:

      These children probably get lots of supervision - could be that's part of the environment that they are adapting to? Biology isn't picky about the distinction between a 'natural' environment and one that we've created - or about the distinction between a sustainable environment and an unsustainable one. When a large proportion of the population is severely autistic and can no longer provide that supervision for their offspring - evolution must either step in again - or if it can't react fast enough, there will be a population crash.

      If you do believe this is an evolved adaptation then you'd have to conclude that Geeks should not be marrying other Geeks.

      Personally, I'd suspect some side-effect of pollution...or a statistical error of some kind. I doubt evolution could react to a change in the environment as fast as one generation - which is as long as the geek population has surged in California.

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    3. Re:Evolution? by benwaggoner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, here's the test then. Do those with autism go on to have more children or grandchilden than average?

      If not, autism in itself is evolutionarily negative. However, it is possible that a milder expression of the same genes does have advantages, ala tech centers. Think sickle-cell anemia, where one gene gives you malaria resistantance, but two make you very sick.

      Remeber, a human is a gametes way of making more gametes. Cool abilities don't count in evolution if they don't lead to more grandchildren.

  2. Programmer ... I'm an excellent programer by Howzer · · Score: 5, Informative
    I have a feeling that the answer to this question is going to shock and dismay us all. Some individual, common, hitherto-thought-harmless pollutant? Ambient noise levels?

    Surely the way to chase this down is to get some clever cross-disciplinary folk on the case. Meanwhile, here's two links that don't require registration:

    The Independant's version of the same story.

    The BBC is bringing up the MMR "link".

    1. Re:Programmer ... I'm an excellent programer by octalgirl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have a feeling that the answer to this question is going to shock and dismay us all.

      Actually, I read an article once on how children (boys especially) of programmers and engineers tended to display autistic behaviors, often leading to a misdiagnosis of autism. I was interested because my own nephew, at over two years old, still had not spoken one word. The doctors were heading toward an autistic condition. But the article went on to explain how even though they tend to display these early symptoms that can last from birth to five years old, they are just fine, and tend to end up very smart bordering on genius level. The most common thread under these conditions was that they were children of programmers or engineers. My brother is a programmer, so I thought it was rather interesting. (and yes I do think my nephew (who is now 6) is quite a little genius. He could read some words at two but couldn't talk. A few months in speech therapy fixed that. He bypassed kids books by age four and has been reading encyclopedia style books on anything to do with fish, bugs, snakes or animals of any kind. At 6 he can tell you what an estuary is, knows everything about anything that lives in the deep sea, will gladly explain about any 'aquatic animals' found in a zoo, including their eating and 'reproductive' habits and sound out words like carnivorous'. His hero is Steve Erwin, Crocodile Hunter, of course.

      Just search for autism engineer.
      Here's a clip
      A couple of years ago the UK magazine Professional Engineering published an article entitled "Is there a bit of the Rain Man in every engineer?" linking engineers with children who have autism. Autistic children don't develop normal social relationships and they tend to wander off by themselves and play with mechanical things. The article said that engineers and autistic children shared various characteristics including strong visualisation skills, strong affinity with physical objects and being "less interested in social activities and communication.

      Another
      Simon Baron-Cohen, an autism researcher at the University of Cambridge, found that there were 2 ½ times as many engineers in the family history of people with autism.

  3. Sickle-Cell Comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Current theories suggest it's more like sickle-cell mutations. If you have 'half' of autism, you're good at living within your mind/interacting with machines and information - the classic 'geek' skills.

    However, breed the right mix together and you get the full whammy, an individual incapable of interacting with social 'reality' at all. As of yet, there's no "niche" for the poor kids (no evolutionary advantage off getting on Maury Povich), but maybe they'd be killer ML coders had we direct-brain interfaces. :}

    If this *is* a consequence of "geek inbreeding," it'd be interesting to consider the sociological factors that make it so widespread.

    Of course, I don't think they've ruled out environmental factors yet, either. Could be another thalidomide at play.

    1. Re:Sickle-Cell Comparison by Ledskof · · Score: 5, Informative

      No. There is no evidence that all cases of autism are genetic. There is evidence that at least some cases of autism are genetic.

      If you must have a link, here's an entire organization devoted to it:
      http://www.agre.org/

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    2. Re:Sickle-Cell Comparison by blamanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From Autism Today:

      Since 1977, when the first autism twin study demonstrated higher concordance rates of autism among identical twins than fraternal twins, the evidence for inherited factors in autism has gained widespread recognition among researchers.

      This article does state that autism does not follow the standard patterns for dominant, recessive or X-linked disorders, however.

  4. kuro5hin by ucblockhead · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is also being discussed over at kuro5hin.

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  5. Empowered patients... by Idarubicin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the article:

    Parents in the study were asked what might have caused their child's autism. Nearly half the parents in both groups said they did not know. A third blamed genetics; smaller numbers cited immunizations, birth injury or environmental factors.

    So, just about half of parents are intellectually honest, then. We don't know what causes autism--there is nothing approaching a consensus among researchers, and there are few well-designed studies that even suggest a possible cause. Asking parents what caused their child's autism is like asking a non-technical person why their hard drive crashed. The answer as likely as not will be "I dunno, maybe I've got a virus?" Interesting for investigating the biases of the hapless user, but not a useful diagnosis.

    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I'm just surprised that nobody in the study thought to blame living near power lines--unless that's an "environmental factor".

    Hypothesis: The incidence of autism is higher because children aren't being allowed to eat enough dirt. Exposure to more microorganisms when young strengthens the immune system. There exists a microbe (virus, perhaps) as-yet-uncharacterized that causes autism. (This happens sometimes with diseases. For example, most stomach ulcers are caused by the bacterium h. pylori and can often be cured with antibiotic therapy. This fact only came to light very recently, after decades of assuming that ulcers were essentially untreatable.) Children's weaker immune systems don't fight this pathogen as effectively as they used to, so they develop autism more frequently.

    Solution: Feed all young children dirt.

    This hypothesis actually has about as much grounding as many of the other suggested causes of autism. Based on very weak evidence, some parents have started to avoid immunizing their children, putting them at much greater risk for measles and other potentially deadly diseases. Bless the internet and its unquestioned authority on medicine.

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  6. Must be /.'s fault by Arcturax · · Score: 5, Funny

    So this is what happens when all those parents spend too much time reading /. and sucking up monitor radiation!

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  7. Re:More on autism (my experiences) by Flat5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you think autism is "an enhanced perception of life," you are terribly misinformed.

    Please, go spend some time with autistic children. Between your comments, those about "California hypochondriacs", and about evolution(!?), I am surprised at the level of ignorance about this disease. It is a profound illness, not just lonely smart kids. Not even close.

    Flat5

  8. There are possible explanations by jquiroga · · Score: 5, Informative
    As published, it seems there is no explanation.

    However, there is no shortage of theories to explain the surge in autism. There are two of them that seem to deserve some research:
    The FDA already discourages eating some types of fish during pregnancy (they even publish mercury levels in seafood).
  9. Re:More on autism (my experiences) by spoonist · · Score: 5, Informative

    I suggest you increase your "experiences" a bit more and read up on autism here.

    Or check this out. It's a list of symptoms from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (commonly referred to as "The DSM IV").

    Sure, a lot of us geeks fit the criteria, but one must be very careful to not confuse introversion with autism. :-)

  10. Stupidity warning by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 5, Informative

    This gluten story is typical of bullshitotherapists. What happens is that *some* people have an intolerance to gluten (I think it's called coelial disease), and their body reacts badly to it, with very different symptoms from person to person.

    It happens that, among those few people who have this disorder, the symptoms can look like ADHD or Autism. But those persons do not have ADHD or Autism, they really have gluten intolerance! The problem is that, IIRC, this disorder is pretty difficult to diagnose, and since it's quite rare, and as a result of the confusing symptoms, most of the victims are not properly treated.

    Now here comes the bullshitotherapist stupidity: blame ADHD and Autism on gluten. Et voila!

    But yeah, if you suffer from this gluten problem, and you stop eating gluten altogether, the symptoms will usually go away; now the difference is that psychostimulants won't do a thing to those people: they will still have the ADHD-like symptoms. Conversely, people with real ADHD won't get any benefit from removing gluten from their diet, they'll just waste a lot of their time.

  11. Re:California isn't alone... by blamanj · · Score: 5, Informative

    The evidence is becoming very persuasive that immunizations do bear a large portion of the blame.

    Wrong. The Wakefield study that was the first to suggest a link has come under serious methodological criticism.

    The most recent study (Taylor, 1999) showed the following:

    1. The authors showed that the number of ASD cases has been increasing since 1979, with no jump after the introduction of the MMR vaccine in 1988.
    2. The authors found that children who were vaccinated before 18 months of age were diagnosed with autism at ages similar to children who were vaccinated after 18 months of age, indicating that the vaccination did not result in earlier expression of ASD characteristics.
    3. The authors discovered that at age two, the MMR vaccination coverage among ASD cases was nearly identical to vaccination coverage of children in the same birth cohorts in the whole region, providing evidence of a lack of overall association between the ASD and the vaccination.
    4. Taylor and colleagues established that the first diagnosis of autism or initial signs of behavioral regression were not more likely to occur within time periods following MMR vaccination than during other time periods. However, parental concern clustered at six months post-vaccination.
    5. The results of the study were similar when cases of classical autism were analyzed separately.

    See the National Vaccine Information Center [909shot.com] for some good articles on links to this and other complications.

    Also note the paranoid quotes of the founder:

    ". . . If the State can tag, track down and force citizens against their will
    to be injected with biologicals of unknown toxicity today,
    there will be no limit on what individual freedoms the State can take away
    in the name of the greater good tomorrow."

    - Barbara Loe Fisher, Co-Founder NVIC

  12. MMR "Link" by Meridun · · Score: 5, Informative
    Ok, this is just one of those stupid theories that won't die because it's gotten too much discussion. I am happy that you seem to indicate the dubious nature of it, but people need to start looking in other places.


    The following data is lifted directly from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and can be found at http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/autism/aut ism-mmr.htm.

    Epidemiologic studies have shown no relationship between MMR vaccination in children and development of autism:

    * In 1997, the National Childhood Encephalopathy Study (NCES) was examined to see if there was any link between measles vaccine and neurological events. The researchers found no indication that measles vaccine contributes to the development of long-term neurological damage, including educational and behavioral deficits (Miller et al., 1997).
    * A study by Gillberg and Heijbel (1998) examined the prevalence of autism in children born in Sweden from 1975-1984. There was no difference in the prevalence of autism among children born before the introduction of the MMR vaccine in Sweden and those born after the vaccine was introduced.
    * In 1999, the British Committee on Safety of Medicines convened a "Working Party on MMR Vaccine" to conduct a systematic review of reports of autism, gastrointestinal disease, and similar disorders after receipt of MMR or measles/rubella vaccine. It was concluded that the available information did not support the posited associations between MMR and autism and other disorders.
    * Taylor and colleagues (1999) studied 498 children with autism in the UK and found the age at which they were diagnosed was the same regardless of whether they received the MMR vaccine before or after 18 months of age or whether they were never vaccinated. Importantly, the first signs or diagnoses of autism were not more likely to occur within time periods following MMR vaccination than during other time periods. Also, there was no sudden increase in cases of autism after the introduction of MMR vaccine in the UK. Such a jump would have been expected if MMR vaccine was causing a substantial increase in autism.
    * Kaye and colleagues (2001) assessed the relationship between the risk of autism among children in the UK and MMR vaccine. Among a subgroup of boys aged 2-5 years, the risk of autism increased almost 4 fold from 1988 to 1993, while MMR vaccination coverage remained constant at approximately 95% over these same years.
    * Researchers in the U.S. found that among children born between 1980 and 1994 and enrolled in California kindergartens, there was a 373% relative increase in autism cases, though the relative increase in MMR vaccine coverage by the age of 24 months was only 14% (Dales et al., 2001). For more on this study, see California Data on Theory of Autism and MMR Immunization.
    * Researchers in the UK (Frombonne & Chakrabarti, 2001) conducted a study to test the idea that a new form, or "new variant," of Inflammatory Bowel Disease (IBD) exists. This new variant IBD has been described as a combination of developmental regression and gastrointestinal symptoms occurring shortly after MMR immunization. Information on 96 children (95 immunized with MMR) who were born between 1992 and 1995 and were diagnosed with pervasive developmental disorder were compared with data from 2 groups of autistic patients (one group of 98 born before MMR was ever used and one group of 68 who were likely to have received MMR vaccine). No evidence was found to support a new syndrome of MMR-induced IBD/autism. For instance, the researchers found that there were no differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated groups with regard to when their parents first became concerned about their child's development. Similarly, the rate of developmental regression reported in the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups was not different; therefore, there was no suggestion that developmental regression had increased in frequency since MMR was introduced. Of the 96 children in the first group, no inflammatory bowel disorder was reported. Furthermore, there was no association found between developmental regression and gastrointestinal symptoms.
    * Another group of researchers in the UK (Taylor et al., 2002) also examined whether MMR vaccination is associated with bowel problems and developmental regression in children with autism, looking for evidence of a "new variant" form of IBD/autism. The study included 278 cases of children with autism and 195 with atypical autism (cases with many of the features of childhood autism but not quite meeting the required criteria for that diagnosis, or with atypical features such as onset of symptoms after the age of 3 years). The cases included in this study were born between 1979 and 1998. The proportion of children with developmental regression or bowel symptoms did not change significantly from 1979 to 1988, a period which included the introduction of MMR vaccination in the UK in 1988. No significant difference was found in rates of bowel problems or regression in children who received the MMR vaccine before their parents became concerned about their development, compared with those who received it only after such concern and those who had not received the MMR vaccine. The findings provide no support for an MMR associated "new variant" form of autism and further evidence against involvement of MMR vaccine in autism.

  13. This is orthogonal, not off-topic! by rot26 · · Score: 5, Funny

    There was this kid who, as he got older, never spoke. His parents took him to doctors, specialists, psychiatrists, all to no avail. In ever other way, he seemed normal. This continued until his 10th birthday, when one night at dinner, he said "These beans are cold".

    His overjoyed parents asked "if you can talk, why haven't you said anything before?"

    He replied "Up to now, everything's been ok".

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  14. Would the parents age cause autism? by t0qer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My grandparents had their kids at 16, my parents had me around 20-22, my wife and I are 29-27 respectively. We haven't had children yet because we want to wait for things to become financially stable (we want our kids to have a good home)

    Out of all the factors in the article, it didn't seem to touch too much on the age factor. I read somewhere once that older parents can lead to all sorts of abnormalities with pregnancy. Could it be age is playing a role here?

    There are a lot of similiar couples/singles my wife and I know, they're slowly approaching 30's, no children yet. Compared with our parents who all had thier kids in their 20's we're a bit behind :)

    It seems that the older we have children, the more that can go wrong. Silicon valley is a tough place to live (financially) and the burden of buying a house here and paying the bills has made alot of my friend put off having children till their 30's. It's an enviromentally prompted response to make sure we give our successive generation a strong foothold in life.

    I think the answer is as simple as, people in silicon valley have children at an older age, therefore more autistic children are born as a result.

  15. Autism Quotient test (AQ) by zhiwenchong · · Score: 5, Informative
    Where are you on the autism spectrum? Cambridge psychologist Simon Baron-Cohen and others designed a test, published in the Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, 2001. The Globe and Mail version of the article includes it. (scroll to the bottom)

    Interestingly, the test result interpretation key says: Scores over 32 are generally taken to indicate Asperger's Syndrome or high-functioning autism, with more than 34 an "extreme" score. A "normal" score, based on control groups, is about 16 (or 15 for women and between 17 and 18 for men). A group of mathematics-contest winners scored an average of 24.5. A group of scientists scored an average of 18.5 (19 for men, 17 for women), with computer scientists at about 21, physicists at 19 and those in biology or medicine at about 15.

  16. Autism is not alone. by sam_handelman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, what might cause Asthma (Which may be leveling off as we speak), childhood Diabetes, increased incidence of autoimmune disorders and cancer, and increased incidence of autism?

    It isn't vaccines! The science doesn't stand up. If you think it's vaccines, we'll agree to disagree, okay?

    I blame the chlorinated carbon molecule.

    Organochlorines have been absent from the earth, in any appreciable amounts, since before the appearance of multicelled life. They are immensely stable, but nothing natural creates them - for energetic reasons, they are purely synthetic. They have unique (powerful, TOXIC) chemistry that we can "exploit but never control", in the words of Pandora's Poison author Shalini Ramanathan. This is an excellent book if you're interested in which feature of our 20th century lifestyle is raising disease incidences.

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  17. A solution for slowing the spread of Autism... by kyletinsley · · Score: 5, Funny

    However, it is possible that a milder expression of the same genes does have advantages, ala tech centers. Think sickle-cell anemia, where one gene gives you malaria resistantance, but two make you very sick.

    So clearly, the answer to stopping the spread of this Autism is to mandate that every geek coder in Silicon Valley must mate with a supermodel who has no math or technical skills whatsoever. They must not mate with other geeks, but only with those who get paid to wear their underwear on stage. This is absolutely necessary for the survival of intelligence and technology in our country! So please models, take one for the team!

  18. Re:Most geeks including myself are midly autistic by spectecjr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Scientology 101:

    For the geeks reading this:

    1.) Do you find certain social situations difficult or awkward?

    2.) Do you feel out of place sometimes?

    3.) Do you have bizarre certain interests that no on cares about? *computers cough cough

    4.) Do you feel smart in certain area's but lack knowledge sometimes of other different area's?

    5.) Do you find expressing emotions difficult even though you have them?

    6.) Do you feel yourself to be somewhat clumsy ?

    7.) As a kid did you feel more interested in complex things like science or weather rather then playing GI joe ?

    8.) Do you find yourself to be somewhat compulsive?

    Chances are you may be mildly autistic


    Scientologists use this mechanism;
    They ask you to fill in a questionnaire with questions like "do you read the dictionary for pleasure?" or "do you feel sad and cry during movies?".

    Questions which 99% of people will answer YES to.

    They then put you in a white room with a guy in a labcoat who marks your paper for you... then comes in and puts his hand on yours, and says "But it's ok... we can help you"

    But let's analyze this:

    Question 1:
    Do you find certain social situations difficult or awkward?
    ... because you had the shit beaten out of you by certain classmates with an IQ less than 50 because you were different?

    Question 2:
    Do you feel out of place sometimes?
    ... like when you go somewhere you've never been before? Or when you go somewhere on your own, without anyone you know? Or just because you've been beaten up because you were different and learned not to socialize because it was dangerous?

    Question 3:
    Do you have bizarre certain interests that no on cares about?
    ... like weird esoteric scientific subjects which no-one else understands and therefore don't care about? Did you retreat into books at an early age because others would beat you up and tease you?

    Question 4:
    Do you feel smart in certain area's but lack knowledge sometimes of other different area's?


    This one's just classic. Let's see your options:
    A. Answer No: This means you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING. Or think you do. Which makes you a conceited idiot.
    B. Answer Yes: This means that you know enough to know that you DON'T know everything. Which if anything makes you honest about where you are in the scheme of things. How many electrical engineers do you know who can tell you the best way to make duck breast in duck confit?

    Question 5:
    Do you find expressing emotions difficult even though you have them?
    ... if so, Scientology can help!

    Sorry... lost the plot there. Do people have trouble expressing emotions? Sure - all the time. That's because they're emotions. Feelings cannot be easily expressed because they just *are* - they have no meaning other than how they feel. There is no referent. You're somewhere between not at all and extremely on the sad/happy/angry/jealous/upset/whatever axes. These things lend to poetry more than anything else -- which is why people have difficulty expressing them; after all, not many people can write poetry.

    Question 6:
    Do you feel yourself to be somewhat clumsy ?


    Clumsiness is for the most part a learned skill. It's spatial awareness, observation, remembering your body's space and limits, and body-eye coordination.

    Question 7:
    As a kid did you feel more interested in complex things like science or weather rather then playing GI joe?


    Where you a conscientious objector in the back-yard wars?

    Did your playmates call you a commie?

    Did they lock you up and stick a white feather in your hair?

    Some people don't like playing with dolls. Sorry. And some people have an interest in complex things *and* play games. Like pretending you have super powers. Or building traps in the back yard and having your very own Indiana Jones style base called Trapmania.

    Question 8:
    Do you find yourself to be somewhat compulsive?


    I'm a smoker. Yes.
    I go on shopping sprees when the discounts are on at Macy's. Yes.
    I just can't be seen dead outside the house without putting on my makeup and toenail polish. Yes.
    I watch Survivor every week. Yes.

    I have both conditions that match autism and aspergers so I am unique. For example I can easily handle most social situations but I am clumsy and have poor eye and hand coordination. To this day I can not play a piano with two hands. The mechanism in the brain that divides the signals to my hands does not work properly. My left hand will play the rhythm of my right and my right would play the rhythms of my left.

    Congratulations. That also happens to the rest of the population the older they are when they try to learn the piano. It also applies to juggling -- there is a hump you have to get over, after which it becomes easy. But getting over that hump is the hard part.

    In complex situations like in relationships, I can notice my difficulties. I do not do well when women are not real direct about how they feel. Why do women do this?

    To confuse men. Try listening to a men-orientated talk radio show some time. You'll see that you are not alone.

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