Slashdot Mirror


More Evidence of Increase in Profound Autism

I am Jack's username writes "The New York times has an article (no registration required) about an increase in profound autism in California of 273% between 1987 and 1998. Between 1999 and 2001 more than 6 500 cases were reported, similar to the number reported between 1970 to 1995. The increase cannot be accounted for by misdiagnosis, increased awareness, childhood immunizations, emigration, birth injuries, and genetics. Some autism experts think the actual cases to be dramatically more than reported in the UC study. See also previous discussions about high-function geek rich areas like silicon valley."

66 of 501 comments (clear)

  1. Evolution? by no_nicks_available · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know very little of the condition, but considering autistic people have some extraordinary abilities, is it possible this could be an evolutionary step?

    1. Re:Evolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Evolution lets you adapt to your environment. Considering an autistic individual needs lots of supervision, this is probably not the case.

    2. Re:Evolution? by ucblockhead · · Score: 5, Insightful
      No. Evolution doesn't work that way.

      The way evolution works is that there are many completely random variations and those that cause greater reproductive success are propogated.

      The only way to see an "evolutionary step" (itself a misnomer) is to see some variation that causes greatly enhanced success at breeding. Needless to say, we are not seeing that here.

      --
      The cake is a pie
    3. Re:Evolution? by YaRness · · Score: 4, Insightful

      consider it as an adaption to a society where you are taken care of and fed no matter how fit you are. sure, an autistic caveman wouldn't last a season, let alone long enough to breed. but today only the worst of birth defects prevent you from being raised and cared for all your life; an ideal environment to keep you alive until you can pass along your genetic material.

    4. Re:Evolution? by sbaker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Evolution lets you adapt to your environment. Considering
      > an autistic individual needs lots of supervision, this is
      > probably not the case.

      If you believe this is an evolutionary change (and I do not) then you'd have to conclude as follows:

      These children probably get lots of supervision - could be that's part of the environment that they are adapting to? Biology isn't picky about the distinction between a 'natural' environment and one that we've created - or about the distinction between a sustainable environment and an unsustainable one. When a large proportion of the population is severely autistic and can no longer provide that supervision for their offspring - evolution must either step in again - or if it can't react fast enough, there will be a population crash.

      If you do believe this is an evolved adaptation then you'd have to conclude that Geeks should not be marrying other Geeks.

      Personally, I'd suspect some side-effect of pollution...or a statistical error of some kind. I doubt evolution could react to a change in the environment as fast as one generation - which is as long as the geek population has surged in California.

      --
      www.sjbaker.org
    5. Re:Evolution? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "The only way to see an "evolutionary step" (itself a misnomer) is to see some variation that causes greatly enhanced success at breeding. Needless to say, we are not seeing that here."

      Makes me wish my mouse was heavier so my right arm'd really bulk up. Boy I'd get the chicks then. In the mean time, I have to rely on cute emoticons to get them to smile. :))) -- Oprah Smiley, >:B -- Bunny Smiley, :ß -- British Smiley.

    6. Re:Evolution? by benwaggoner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, here's the test then. Do those with autism go on to have more children or grandchilden than average?

      If not, autism in itself is evolutionarily negative. However, it is possible that a milder expression of the same genes does have advantages, ala tech centers. Think sickle-cell anemia, where one gene gives you malaria resistantance, but two make you very sick.

      Remeber, a human is a gametes way of making more gametes. Cool abilities don't count in evolution if they don't lead to more grandchildren.

    7. Re:Evolution? by juuri · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Now that there are theories that heat proteins (like hsp90?) can buffer "mutations" until there is a significant change in environment, punctuated evolution theories have a lot more grounding and seem to make much more sense than long term slight evolution.

      --
      --- I do not moderate.
    8. Re:Evolution? by JabberWokky · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Yeah - there are now several supporting arguments. I just liked it because it was initially proposed with no real theory as to why. It was simply a "fossil records seem to indicate this. I'm proposing it with no strong theoretical reasons as to why it is - just observations that it happens this way". Then the theories started flooding in as to why, and even the wrong ones served a good purpose by teaching us more and more about DNA and RNA when they were proved to be wrong.

      Science is great. Cooperation is great.

      --
      Evan

      --
      "$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
    9. Re:Evolution? by Jay+Carlson · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well, here's the test then. Do those with autism go on to have more children or grandchilden than average?

      That's only a good test if your focus is on individuals rather than genes. Even if you don't have offspring, you may promote the further expression of genes you inherit if you contribute to the survival or reproduction of other people with those genes.

      Consider a small, somewhat genetically-related tribe. If this tribe produces some individuals who are less fertile but increase survival for their relatives, the genes for those individuals may continue to be expressed in future generations.

      Or the geek-friendly version: even though Jim over there is a really crappy farmer, he keeps on solving hard problems about construction and weapons. Let's say he's gotten a bunch of recessives all in one place. Jim's siblings also have half-doses of some of those recessives; if he helps them do better, the recessives are more likely to propagate, even though his siblings are "normal".

    10. Re:Evolution? by naasking · · Score: 3, Informative

      As the commentary intimated, the spread of autism cannot be accounted for genetically since autistics rarely have children. (source: comprehensive Globe and Mail article on this very subject)

  2. Programmer ... I'm an excellent programer by Howzer · · Score: 5, Informative
    I have a feeling that the answer to this question is going to shock and dismay us all. Some individual, common, hitherto-thought-harmless pollutant? Ambient noise levels?

    Surely the way to chase this down is to get some clever cross-disciplinary folk on the case. Meanwhile, here's two links that don't require registration:

    The Independant's version of the same story.

    The BBC is bringing up the MMR "link".

    1. Re:Programmer ... I'm an excellent programer by octalgirl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have a feeling that the answer to this question is going to shock and dismay us all.

      Actually, I read an article once on how children (boys especially) of programmers and engineers tended to display autistic behaviors, often leading to a misdiagnosis of autism. I was interested because my own nephew, at over two years old, still had not spoken one word. The doctors were heading toward an autistic condition. But the article went on to explain how even though they tend to display these early symptoms that can last from birth to five years old, they are just fine, and tend to end up very smart bordering on genius level. The most common thread under these conditions was that they were children of programmers or engineers. My brother is a programmer, so I thought it was rather interesting. (and yes I do think my nephew (who is now 6) is quite a little genius. He could read some words at two but couldn't talk. A few months in speech therapy fixed that. He bypassed kids books by age four and has been reading encyclopedia style books on anything to do with fish, bugs, snakes or animals of any kind. At 6 he can tell you what an estuary is, knows everything about anything that lives in the deep sea, will gladly explain about any 'aquatic animals' found in a zoo, including their eating and 'reproductive' habits and sound out words like carnivorous'. His hero is Steve Erwin, Crocodile Hunter, of course.

      Just search for autism engineer.
      Here's a clip
      A couple of years ago the UK magazine Professional Engineering published an article entitled "Is there a bit of the Rain Man in every engineer?" linking engineers with children who have autism. Autistic children don't develop normal social relationships and they tend to wander off by themselves and play with mechanical things. The article said that engineers and autistic children shared various characteristics including strong visualisation skills, strong affinity with physical objects and being "less interested in social activities and communication.

      Another
      Simon Baron-Cohen, an autism researcher at the University of Cambridge, found that there were 2 ½ times as many engineers in the family history of people with autism.

    2. Re:Programmer ... I'm an excellent programer by ImaLamer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You mention he didn't talk for a while... it is known that children that don't cry often while babies end up very smart children.

      Maybe this non-talking is a sign also?

    3. Re:Programmer ... I'm an excellent programer by fferreres · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Two things:

      1) Have you heard of something called a normal distribution? This quote has to work on averages not individual cases...

      2) He stated non-crying childs tend to be really smart. He didn't imply crying babies tend to be stupid, as you have read it.

      And if you don't agree, well, maybe you where misquoted your IQ :) (it has happened before).

      --
      unfinished: (adj.)
  3. could it be due to Air polution? by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I mean they say that a baby breaths in twice the carsinogens in thre first day of life in california than what has been deemed safe for a life time.

    what is the autism rate in other parts of the country or the world?

    --



    I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
  4. Sickle-Cell Comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Current theories suggest it's more like sickle-cell mutations. If you have 'half' of autism, you're good at living within your mind/interacting with machines and information - the classic 'geek' skills.

    However, breed the right mix together and you get the full whammy, an individual incapable of interacting with social 'reality' at all. As of yet, there's no "niche" for the poor kids (no evolutionary advantage off getting on Maury Povich), but maybe they'd be killer ML coders had we direct-brain interfaces. :}

    If this *is* a consequence of "geek inbreeding," it'd be interesting to consider the sociological factors that make it so widespread.

    Of course, I don't think they've ruled out environmental factors yet, either. Could be another thalidomide at play.

    1. Re:Sickle-Cell Comparison by Ledskof · · Score: 5, Informative

      No. There is no evidence that all cases of autism are genetic. There is evidence that at least some cases of autism are genetic.

      If you must have a link, here's an entire organization devoted to it:
      http://www.agre.org/

      --
      This is my sig. The post is over.
    2. Re:Sickle-Cell Comparison by blamanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From Autism Today:

      Since 1977, when the first autism twin study demonstrated higher concordance rates of autism among identical twins than fraternal twins, the evidence for inherited factors in autism has gained widespread recognition among researchers.

      This article does state that autism does not follow the standard patterns for dominant, recessive or X-linked disorders, however.

    3. Re:Sickle-Cell Comparison by timeOday · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But a child with two geeky parents is not just the recipient of geeky genes - s/he is also a child of two parents who are likely to find more satisfaction sitting alone at the office hacking code than at home playing patti-cake with the new arrival.

  5. kuro5hin by ucblockhead · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is also being discussed over at kuro5hin.

    --
    The cake is a pie
  6. Empowered patients... by Idarubicin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the article:

    Parents in the study were asked what might have caused their child's autism. Nearly half the parents in both groups said they did not know. A third blamed genetics; smaller numbers cited immunizations, birth injury or environmental factors.

    So, just about half of parents are intellectually honest, then. We don't know what causes autism--there is nothing approaching a consensus among researchers, and there are few well-designed studies that even suggest a possible cause. Asking parents what caused their child's autism is like asking a non-technical person why their hard drive crashed. The answer as likely as not will be "I dunno, maybe I've got a virus?" Interesting for investigating the biases of the hapless user, but not a useful diagnosis.

    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I'm just surprised that nobody in the study thought to blame living near power lines--unless that's an "environmental factor".

    Hypothesis: The incidence of autism is higher because children aren't being allowed to eat enough dirt. Exposure to more microorganisms when young strengthens the immune system. There exists a microbe (virus, perhaps) as-yet-uncharacterized that causes autism. (This happens sometimes with diseases. For example, most stomach ulcers are caused by the bacterium h. pylori and can often be cured with antibiotic therapy. This fact only came to light very recently, after decades of assuming that ulcers were essentially untreatable.) Children's weaker immune systems don't fight this pathogen as effectively as they used to, so they develop autism more frequently.

    Solution: Feed all young children dirt.

    This hypothesis actually has about as much grounding as many of the other suggested causes of autism. Based on very weak evidence, some parents have started to avoid immunizing their children, putting them at much greater risk for measles and other potentially deadly diseases. Bless the internet and its unquestioned authority on medicine.

    --
    ~Idarubicin
    1. Re:Empowered patients... by Idarubicin · · Score: 3, Informative
      You're totally wrong. While the prime cause is still not conclusively known, for the first time we are moving towards consensus that Autism is probably a by-product of neuro-toxic mercury-poisoning.

      Who are "we", and who told you that "we" are moving towards a consensus? Yes, until recently many vaccines contained traces of mercury as part of the preservative agent thimerosal.

      The Institute of Medicine (part of the National Academy of Sciences) reported in its October 2001 report Immunization Safety Review: Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines and Neurodevelopmental Disorders that there was no correlation between thimerosal exposure and autism, ADHD, speech delays, or other developmental disorders. They did recommend that thimerosal use be eliminated as part of a campaign to reduce all exposures to mercury on principle.

      UC Davis has just started (in 2001) a large-scale, controlled study to examine two thousand children. Quoting the principle investigator Isaac Pessah, "We will carry out the first comprehensive analysis anywhere of the blood levels of toxins, such as mercury, pesticides and pcbs, in children with autism, compared to children without the disorder".

      Quite frankly, if the NAS has studied the issue and concluded that mercury in vaccines is not correlated with autism, and UC Davis is willing to sink $5 million into a study to characterize the effects of a wide range of environmental contaminants on the development of autism--well, that doens't sound like a consensus to me.

      For a serious disorder like autism, it is always very appealling to be able to say, "Yes, that's the cause. I'm glad we can fix it, and punish the people who exposed our children to this debilitating syndrome." Unfortunately, the situation isn't that simple.

      If you check the web, you'll find references that cite 1) high levels of mercury in hair samples from autistic children and 2) low levels of mercury in hair samples from autistic children as "evidence" of mercury poisoning causing autism. Still other sites (particularly those that are selling chelation therapy for autism) often suggest that there isn't a good noninvasive test for mercury levels in a child, so mercury poisoning should be diagnosed by indirect tests or through consideration of symptoms (that invariably look like autism.)

      The "authorities" that assert that mercury is the cause of autism unfortunately often fall into two categories. The first group consists of doctors that believe in chelation therapy (there are no large-scale controlled studies to support this conclusion) and the second group contains lawyers who have launched large class-action suits against vaccine manufacturers.

      I don't mean to imply that there are no legitimate physicians and scientists who consider mercury to be the cause of autism--I myself would not be surprised if there was some environmental cause to explain the increasing incidence. But the intellectually honest among us have to admit that there is by no means a consensus--or even a strong indication--that mercury is the major cause of the disorder.

      --
      ~Idarubicin
  7. links to geekdom? by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny


    Some forms of autism make one not like to be around people. I wonder if I have some of that. People who talk too much about non-geek things drive me crackers. Some people just cannot shuddup. My mom, for example, can stretch a 2-minute story into a 20-minute one by providing details that are useless to the story, but I cannot tell her off because she is my mom. She is the reader's digest in reverse.

    Mild autism may be what makes a lot of geeks geeks. You never know.

    1. Re:links to geekdom? by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 3

      Some forms of autism make one not like to be around people. I wonder if I have some of that.

      No. You don't. Talk to an autistic kid for a few minutes, and your wondering will be over. What you are describing is the way all people behave. I'm not quite sure why you think it's at all uncommon.

      --

      There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
  8. Must be /.'s fault by Arcturax · · Score: 5, Funny

    So this is what happens when all those parents spend too much time reading /. and sucking up monitor radiation!

    --

    --Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. - Dr. Walter Gibbs
  9. California air pollution by ucblockhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    California is no where near as polluted as it used to be. There are many other areas of the US which are substantially worse (Houstan, Atlanta). In addition, if it were an issue of pollution, you'd see substantial differences in Southern California, where smog hangs over the city, and the San Francisco Bay Area, where the prevailing winds blow most of the smog eastward.

    --
    The cake is a pie
  10. Re:More on autism (my experiences) by nackrm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...will have to suffer their entire lives as unattractive and anti-social."

    Austism has no connection with how you look. In some cases there may be other complications from the autistic person, such as downs, but that's a whole differnt disorder.

    "It's nothing more than just an enhanced perception of life"

    I can't really blame you for thinking of Rainman or other similar cases when thinking of autism, but to think that the average person is made better by this disorder is kind of ignorant. In most cases, it's not only a person's social development that is slowed/stopped/messed up. In fact, their cognative levels are supressed throughout their life.

    --

    Be a man! View at -1
    acm.cs.uwec.edu
  11. Gluten by pete-classic · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is some pretty compelling evidence that gluten, a grain protein, triggers autism. Many parents of formerly autistic (!) children swear that a gluten-free diet "cured" their child's autism.

    For some unknown reason the medical/scientific community has been very resistant to studying this phenomenon.

    -Peter

  12. California isn't alone... by Crocuta · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Telegraph had an article back in February of last year (no longer available) that set the rate of autism in the UK at 1 in 175 children, or 58 out of every 10,000 (compared to the 10 in 10,000 rate reported in California.)

    The evidence is becoming very persuasive that immunizations do bear a large portion of the blame. See the National Vaccine Information Center for some good articles on links to this and other complications.

    For our part, after reading dozens of books and talking to as many people, we made the decision not to vaccinate our now six year old. (Commence the flamebait about how we're playing with fire, yadda yadda yadda...)

    Dr. Mercola, a naturopathic doctor out of Chicago, also has many good articles about the possible causes of austism. WARNING: /.'ers may find Mercola's website hard to stomach, since he's going to tell you to exercise and to stop eating McD's fries and twinkies. ;-)

    Crocuta

    1. Re:California isn't alone... by blamanj · · Score: 5, Informative

      The evidence is becoming very persuasive that immunizations do bear a large portion of the blame.

      Wrong. The Wakefield study that was the first to suggest a link has come under serious methodological criticism.

      The most recent study (Taylor, 1999) showed the following:

      1. The authors showed that the number of ASD cases has been increasing since 1979, with no jump after the introduction of the MMR vaccine in 1988.
      2. The authors found that children who were vaccinated before 18 months of age were diagnosed with autism at ages similar to children who were vaccinated after 18 months of age, indicating that the vaccination did not result in earlier expression of ASD characteristics.
      3. The authors discovered that at age two, the MMR vaccination coverage among ASD cases was nearly identical to vaccination coverage of children in the same birth cohorts in the whole region, providing evidence of a lack of overall association between the ASD and the vaccination.
      4. Taylor and colleagues established that the first diagnosis of autism or initial signs of behavioral regression were not more likely to occur within time periods following MMR vaccination than during other time periods. However, parental concern clustered at six months post-vaccination.
      5. The results of the study were similar when cases of classical autism were analyzed separately.

      See the National Vaccine Information Center [909shot.com] for some good articles on links to this and other complications.

      Also note the paranoid quotes of the founder:

      ". . . If the State can tag, track down and force citizens against their will
      to be injected with biologicals of unknown toxicity today,
      there will be no limit on what individual freedoms the State can take away
      in the name of the greater good tomorrow."

      - Barbara Loe Fisher, Co-Founder NVIC

  13. Re:More on autism (my experiences) by Flat5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you think autism is "an enhanced perception of life," you are terribly misinformed.

    Please, go spend some time with autistic children. Between your comments, those about "California hypochondriacs", and about evolution(!?), I am surprised at the level of ignorance about this disease. It is a profound illness, not just lonely smart kids. Not even close.

    Flat5

  14. Taking the (flame)bait by Yosemite+Sue · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll bite ...

    What economic motives are there for vaccine makers to produce a product that could cause autism?

    Just FYI, most of the employees at the vaccine company I am familiar with insist on their families being inoculated with the vaccine produced by that company. They are aware of the stringent testing, QA/QC and improvements in the products made by the company. Of course, all vaccine manufacturers have to meet an extremely high standard of quality now, but it shows you the loyalty and security that these employees feel about their employer's products.

    As for searching the newsgroups, I have to just laugh. What an unbiased and peer-reviewed source! (Admittedly, not all scientific publications can be regarded as unbiased ... but they are certainly peer-reviewed, and not completely anecdotal!)

    With the recent upsurge of panicked parents refusing to let their children be vaccinated, I'm (pessimistically) awaiting the return of the scourges that our grandparents used to fear ...

    YS

    --
    "Arrr! The laws of science be a harsh mistress." -- Bender
  15. Reading materials by Yosemite+Sue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could I suggest that people who are really interested about vaccines consult references on both sides of the story? Or even read something based on facts, on scientific methods, peer-reviewed (scientific publications in refereed journals)?

    Oh, wait, this is /.! Never mind. ;-)

    YS

    --
    "Arrr! The laws of science be a harsh mistress." -- Bender
  16. There are possible explanations by jquiroga · · Score: 5, Informative
    As published, it seems there is no explanation.

    However, there is no shortage of theories to explain the surge in autism. There are two of them that seem to deserve some research:
    The FDA already discourages eating some types of fish during pregnancy (they even publish mercury levels in seafood).
  17. Re:More on autism (my experiences) by spoonist · · Score: 5, Informative

    I suggest you increase your "experiences" a bit more and read up on autism here.

    Or check this out. It's a list of symptoms from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (commonly referred to as "The DSM IV").

    Sure, a lot of us geeks fit the criteria, but one must be very careful to not confuse introversion with autism. :-)

  18. Re:all sorts of theories by s.fontinalis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I have to admit, it's alot of shots these days, and there's clear economic motives for the makers."

    Never mind the horrors of death by Polio(you think an autistic childs a problem - try a full body polio cripple), or Tuberculosis, or Measles - the list of truly horrible diseases that killed MILLIONS and were all but eradicated by public vaccination goes on, as do the children saved with vaccinations.

  19. Re:More on autism (my experiences) by scoove · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This new epidemic in California is probably just a bunch of really smart people having children together.

    Have they attempted to corrolate it at all with both parents starting families later in life?

    Most of my friends (the very beginning of gen-x, born in the late 60s) started their families late. Even though we were 25 when we had our son (and I thought that was late... couple of years out of college), many just got started a year or so ago.

    There's a good amount of data on chromosonal damage beginning in the thirties, including a real decline in late 30s. Add that to everyone using fertility drugs (hint: you're starting too late) and people having second and third kids in their 40s, and you've got to have more problems.

    I'd expect this trend to be even stronger on the west coast where being a DINK is a class statement (and often necessary requirement to get that BMW 5 series, 5,000+ sq. foot house, clothes, etc).

    *scoove*

  20. Re:Old news. 2 nerds = autist child by Usquebaugh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What about other areas with a high density of intelligent people? OR what does Silicon Valley have that no other area does?

    I have no idea what causes the problem but neither does anyone else.

  21. Stupidity warning by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 5, Informative

    This gluten story is typical of bullshitotherapists. What happens is that *some* people have an intolerance to gluten (I think it's called coelial disease), and their body reacts badly to it, with very different symptoms from person to person.

    It happens that, among those few people who have this disorder, the symptoms can look like ADHD or Autism. But those persons do not have ADHD or Autism, they really have gluten intolerance! The problem is that, IIRC, this disorder is pretty difficult to diagnose, and since it's quite rare, and as a result of the confusing symptoms, most of the victims are not properly treated.

    Now here comes the bullshitotherapist stupidity: blame ADHD and Autism on gluten. Et voila!

    But yeah, if you suffer from this gluten problem, and you stop eating gluten altogether, the symptoms will usually go away; now the difference is that psychostimulants won't do a thing to those people: they will still have the ADHD-like symptoms. Conversely, people with real ADHD won't get any benefit from removing gluten from their diet, they'll just waste a lot of their time.

  22. MMR "Link" by Meridun · · Score: 5, Informative
    Ok, this is just one of those stupid theories that won't die because it's gotten too much discussion. I am happy that you seem to indicate the dubious nature of it, but people need to start looking in other places.


    The following data is lifted directly from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and can be found at http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/autism/aut ism-mmr.htm.

    Epidemiologic studies have shown no relationship between MMR vaccination in children and development of autism:

    * In 1997, the National Childhood Encephalopathy Study (NCES) was examined to see if there was any link between measles vaccine and neurological events. The researchers found no indication that measles vaccine contributes to the development of long-term neurological damage, including educational and behavioral deficits (Miller et al., 1997).
    * A study by Gillberg and Heijbel (1998) examined the prevalence of autism in children born in Sweden from 1975-1984. There was no difference in the prevalence of autism among children born before the introduction of the MMR vaccine in Sweden and those born after the vaccine was introduced.
    * In 1999, the British Committee on Safety of Medicines convened a "Working Party on MMR Vaccine" to conduct a systematic review of reports of autism, gastrointestinal disease, and similar disorders after receipt of MMR or measles/rubella vaccine. It was concluded that the available information did not support the posited associations between MMR and autism and other disorders.
    * Taylor and colleagues (1999) studied 498 children with autism in the UK and found the age at which they were diagnosed was the same regardless of whether they received the MMR vaccine before or after 18 months of age or whether they were never vaccinated. Importantly, the first signs or diagnoses of autism were not more likely to occur within time periods following MMR vaccination than during other time periods. Also, there was no sudden increase in cases of autism after the introduction of MMR vaccine in the UK. Such a jump would have been expected if MMR vaccine was causing a substantial increase in autism.
    * Kaye and colleagues (2001) assessed the relationship between the risk of autism among children in the UK and MMR vaccine. Among a subgroup of boys aged 2-5 years, the risk of autism increased almost 4 fold from 1988 to 1993, while MMR vaccination coverage remained constant at approximately 95% over these same years.
    * Researchers in the U.S. found that among children born between 1980 and 1994 and enrolled in California kindergartens, there was a 373% relative increase in autism cases, though the relative increase in MMR vaccine coverage by the age of 24 months was only 14% (Dales et al., 2001). For more on this study, see California Data on Theory of Autism and MMR Immunization.
    * Researchers in the UK (Frombonne & Chakrabarti, 2001) conducted a study to test the idea that a new form, or "new variant," of Inflammatory Bowel Disease (IBD) exists. This new variant IBD has been described as a combination of developmental regression and gastrointestinal symptoms occurring shortly after MMR immunization. Information on 96 children (95 immunized with MMR) who were born between 1992 and 1995 and were diagnosed with pervasive developmental disorder were compared with data from 2 groups of autistic patients (one group of 98 born before MMR was ever used and one group of 68 who were likely to have received MMR vaccine). No evidence was found to support a new syndrome of MMR-induced IBD/autism. For instance, the researchers found that there were no differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated groups with regard to when their parents first became concerned about their child's development. Similarly, the rate of developmental regression reported in the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups was not different; therefore, there was no suggestion that developmental regression had increased in frequency since MMR was introduced. Of the 96 children in the first group, no inflammatory bowel disorder was reported. Furthermore, there was no association found between developmental regression and gastrointestinal symptoms.
    * Another group of researchers in the UK (Taylor et al., 2002) also examined whether MMR vaccination is associated with bowel problems and developmental regression in children with autism, looking for evidence of a "new variant" form of IBD/autism. The study included 278 cases of children with autism and 195 with atypical autism (cases with many of the features of childhood autism but not quite meeting the required criteria for that diagnosis, or with atypical features such as onset of symptoms after the age of 3 years). The cases included in this study were born between 1979 and 1998. The proportion of children with developmental regression or bowel symptoms did not change significantly from 1979 to 1988, a period which included the introduction of MMR vaccination in the UK in 1988. No significant difference was found in rates of bowel problems or regression in children who received the MMR vaccine before their parents became concerned about their development, compared with those who received it only after such concern and those who had not received the MMR vaccine. The findings provide no support for an MMR associated "new variant" form of autism and further evidence against involvement of MMR vaccine in autism.

  23. Re:Fat parents? by xA40D · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's changed in a big way in the last twenty years? Fast food. Tolerance for fat people.

    On study I heard about suggested that the modern "fear of fat" - the fear of actually eating fat, not of being fat - was actually harming the development of children. Lack of fatty-acids imparing the development of brain tissue or something.

    --
    Do you mind, your karma has just run over my dogma.
  24. This is orthogonal, not off-topic! by rot26 · · Score: 5, Funny

    There was this kid who, as he got older, never spoke. His parents took him to doctors, specialists, psychiatrists, all to no avail. In ever other way, he seemed normal. This continued until his 10th birthday, when one night at dinner, he said "These beans are cold".

    His overjoyed parents asked "if you can talk, why haven't you said anything before?"

    He replied "Up to now, everything's been ok".

    --



    To ensure perfect aim, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target
  25. Would the parents age cause autism? by t0qer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My grandparents had their kids at 16, my parents had me around 20-22, my wife and I are 29-27 respectively. We haven't had children yet because we want to wait for things to become financially stable (we want our kids to have a good home)

    Out of all the factors in the article, it didn't seem to touch too much on the age factor. I read somewhere once that older parents can lead to all sorts of abnormalities with pregnancy. Could it be age is playing a role here?

    There are a lot of similiar couples/singles my wife and I know, they're slowly approaching 30's, no children yet. Compared with our parents who all had thier kids in their 20's we're a bit behind :)

    It seems that the older we have children, the more that can go wrong. Silicon valley is a tough place to live (financially) and the burden of buying a house here and paying the bills has made alot of my friend put off having children till their 30's. It's an enviromentally prompted response to make sure we give our successive generation a strong foothold in life.

    I think the answer is as simple as, people in silicon valley have children at an older age, therefore more autistic children are born as a result.

  26. Unlikely by shadowj · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The reference is to an article that speculates about a possible cause for autism, and speculates more vaguely about a hypothetical metabolite of gluten that's linked to that mechanism. As far as I can tell, the author presents no compelling evidence for his theory about autism's cause, and even less evidence for a link between this mechanism and gluten.

    I consider gluten an unlikely culprit. It's hardly a new item in the environment... it's present in huge quantities in almost every wheat-based product, most notably bread, and always has been. You can't account for an upswing in autism by blaming gluten; we've been swimming in the stuff for centuries, and I doubt that California has suddenly experienced a massive increase in bread consumption.

    I'll take these stories more seriously when I see convincing, controlled, peer-reviewed studies that show that they're for real.

    --

    --Larry

    Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence

  27. Evolution redefined? by cryofan2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Autism genes that enhance programming abilities may lead to less children for the autistic programmer (AP), but if the AP is programming in the area of, say, development of life-extending technology (e.g., beating old age, cancer etc.) then the AP genes may lead to greater disperal of human genes later down the road.

    1. Re:Evolution redefined? by mmol_6453 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I feel free to take offense to your statement. I have Aspergers.

      It makes it difficult for me to pay attention to uninteresting things, it made me less likely likely to have friends, it's given me some OCS-related characteristics, it made it virtually impossible to empathize with people, it's put me in situations which made me suicidal on several occasions.

      And it's definately given me an excellent perspective on life, aside from the suicide. I know how the outcast feels. I've learned to recognize body language in people who go to efforts not to have any.
      It's also had a hand in giving me an IQ of 134.

      I've been through hell, and I've survived. I may be on Risperdal and Wellbutrin, but I wouldn't trade my needs for a normal life. Not ever.

      --
      What's this Submit thingy do?
  28. Autism Quotient test (AQ) by zhiwenchong · · Score: 5, Informative
    Where are you on the autism spectrum? Cambridge psychologist Simon Baron-Cohen and others designed a test, published in the Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, 2001. The Globe and Mail version of the article includes it. (scroll to the bottom)

    Interestingly, the test result interpretation key says: Scores over 32 are generally taken to indicate Asperger's Syndrome or high-functioning autism, with more than 34 an "extreme" score. A "normal" score, based on control groups, is about 16 (or 15 for women and between 17 and 18 for men). A group of mathematics-contest winners scored an average of 24.5. A group of scientists scored an average of 18.5 (19 for men, 17 for women), with computer scientists at about 21, physicists at 19 and those in biology or medicine at about 15.

    1. Re:Autism Quotient test (AQ) by Fweeky · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The first thing I thought when I saw that was "There's no way I'm doing that manually".

      So, er, I didn't ;)

      That's based on the same code I used for the Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale, btw.

  29. Where we looking? by RandomHavoc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I agree with most of the original post.

    Most of the theories [guesses] seem to focus on genetics or environmental factors.

    I don't think it's genetics. People haven't changed that much in general and there isn't a "California" gene pool to point to--new people are moving to California and having children all the time. (I was born and raised in California and I'm still live there [here] so I'm seeing this firsthand.) And I don't think that there are enough "geeks" to account for that big of a shift even in Silicon Valley--It still takes a small army of burger flippers, gas station attendants, janitors, car washers, etc. to support a high-performance "geek."

    Under environmental factors there seem to be two areas being looked at: stuff happening or being done to children such as vaccinations, and general lifestyle such as poor diet.

    I think that it is environmental and probably something unnatural. My guess is some government mandated program such MTBE in the gasoline.

    --

    --
    But then again I thought VCR+ was a stupid idea and would die a quick death--so what do I know?
  30. Is there a 'geek' syndrome? by c13v3rm0nk3y · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Globe and Mail (Saturday October 19, 2002) has a related article (with the title given in the subject line) in print and online.

    They even have an "AQ" test to see where you are on the "autism spectrum".

    I'm not sure I share the enthusiasm some of the quoted experts have for the idea that a number of talented people are having children with "good genes", which is causing this recent increase in autistic behaviour. Even assuming that exteme talent implies retarded social skills, I find it hard to believe that the basic talent it takes to write code, train users and invent documentation is extreme enough to warrant this kind of musing.

    Add to that the skepticism I have for anything as complex as social interaction and family having a measurable genetic quality...

    Good read nonetheless.

    --
    -- clvrmnky
  31. Autism is not alone. by sam_handelman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, what might cause Asthma (Which may be leveling off as we speak), childhood Diabetes, increased incidence of autoimmune disorders and cancer, and increased incidence of autism?

    It isn't vaccines! The science doesn't stand up. If you think it's vaccines, we'll agree to disagree, okay?

    I blame the chlorinated carbon molecule.

    Organochlorines have been absent from the earth, in any appreciable amounts, since before the appearance of multicelled life. They are immensely stable, but nothing natural creates them - for energetic reasons, they are purely synthetic. They have unique (powerful, TOXIC) chemistry that we can "exploit but never control", in the words of Pandora's Poison author Shalini Ramanathan. This is an excellent book if you're interested in which feature of our 20th century lifestyle is raising disease incidences.

    --
    The good and new comes from no quarter where it is looked for, and is always something different from what is expected.
  32. Most geeks including myself are midly autistic by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember a very old 2-3 year slashdot news article mentioning this. It is no longer online. Basically a women did a study with nerdy and brilliant computer geniuses and mathematicians to find out if they are autistic to a mild degree. Turns out she discovered a separate syndrome which is in the mild autism category.

    For the geeks reading this:

    1.) Do you find certain social situations difficult or awkward?

    2.) Do you feel out of place sometimes?

    3.) Do you have bizarre certain interests that no on cares about? *computers cough cough

    4.) Do you feel smart in certain area's but lack knowledge sometimes of other different area's?

    5.) Do you find expressing emotions difficult even though you have them?

    6.) Do you feel yourself to be somewhat clumsy ?

    7.) As a kid did you feel more interested in complex things like science or weather rather then playing GI joe ?

    8.) Do you find yourself to be somewhat compulsive?

    Chances are you may be mildly autistic

    Autism and its related aspergers syndrome is very complex. Its different then mental retardation and is hard to describe. I know because I have aspergers which is a mild variant of autism and have an IQ of 122.

    I have both conditions that match autism and aspergers so I am unique. For example I can easily handle most social situations but I am clumsy and have poor eye and hand coordination. To this day I can not play a piano with two hands. The mechanism in the brain that divides the signals to my hands does not work properly. My left hand will play the rhythm of my right and my right would play the rhythms of my left. In complex situations like in relationships, I can notice my difficulties. I do not do well when women are not real direct about how they feel. Why do women do this?

    As a kid I fell into the autism category but as I grew up I become less and less autistic. I use to daydream at school and go into my own world whenever the teacher wasn't looking. I no longer do this. I can do things today that I could not do a decade ago. Its weird and I can not explain it but I guess maybe my brain is re-wiring itself. I have brilliant in some area's but falter in others. Especially anything doing with 3d-space or mathematics. However I am great with logic and programming which uses the same area's of the brain.

    1. Re:Most geeks including myself are midly autistic by spectecjr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Scientology 101:

      For the geeks reading this:

      1.) Do you find certain social situations difficult or awkward?

      2.) Do you feel out of place sometimes?

      3.) Do you have bizarre certain interests that no on cares about? *computers cough cough

      4.) Do you feel smart in certain area's but lack knowledge sometimes of other different area's?

      5.) Do you find expressing emotions difficult even though you have them?

      6.) Do you feel yourself to be somewhat clumsy ?

      7.) As a kid did you feel more interested in complex things like science or weather rather then playing GI joe ?

      8.) Do you find yourself to be somewhat compulsive?

      Chances are you may be mildly autistic


      Scientologists use this mechanism;
      They ask you to fill in a questionnaire with questions like "do you read the dictionary for pleasure?" or "do you feel sad and cry during movies?".

      Questions which 99% of people will answer YES to.

      They then put you in a white room with a guy in a labcoat who marks your paper for you... then comes in and puts his hand on yours, and says "But it's ok... we can help you"

      But let's analyze this:

      Question 1:
      Do you find certain social situations difficult or awkward?
      ... because you had the shit beaten out of you by certain classmates with an IQ less than 50 because you were different?

      Question 2:
      Do you feel out of place sometimes?
      ... like when you go somewhere you've never been before? Or when you go somewhere on your own, without anyone you know? Or just because you've been beaten up because you were different and learned not to socialize because it was dangerous?

      Question 3:
      Do you have bizarre certain interests that no on cares about?
      ... like weird esoteric scientific subjects which no-one else understands and therefore don't care about? Did you retreat into books at an early age because others would beat you up and tease you?

      Question 4:
      Do you feel smart in certain area's but lack knowledge sometimes of other different area's?


      This one's just classic. Let's see your options:
      A. Answer No: This means you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING. Or think you do. Which makes you a conceited idiot.
      B. Answer Yes: This means that you know enough to know that you DON'T know everything. Which if anything makes you honest about where you are in the scheme of things. How many electrical engineers do you know who can tell you the best way to make duck breast in duck confit?

      Question 5:
      Do you find expressing emotions difficult even though you have them?
      ... if so, Scientology can help!

      Sorry... lost the plot there. Do people have trouble expressing emotions? Sure - all the time. That's because they're emotions. Feelings cannot be easily expressed because they just *are* - they have no meaning other than how they feel. There is no referent. You're somewhere between not at all and extremely on the sad/happy/angry/jealous/upset/whatever axes. These things lend to poetry more than anything else -- which is why people have difficulty expressing them; after all, not many people can write poetry.

      Question 6:
      Do you feel yourself to be somewhat clumsy ?


      Clumsiness is for the most part a learned skill. It's spatial awareness, observation, remembering your body's space and limits, and body-eye coordination.

      Question 7:
      As a kid did you feel more interested in complex things like science or weather rather then playing GI joe?


      Where you a conscientious objector in the back-yard wars?

      Did your playmates call you a commie?

      Did they lock you up and stick a white feather in your hair?

      Some people don't like playing with dolls. Sorry. And some people have an interest in complex things *and* play games. Like pretending you have super powers. Or building traps in the back yard and having your very own Indiana Jones style base called Trapmania.

      Question 8:
      Do you find yourself to be somewhat compulsive?


      I'm a smoker. Yes.
      I go on shopping sprees when the discounts are on at Macy's. Yes.
      I just can't be seen dead outside the house without putting on my makeup and toenail polish. Yes.
      I watch Survivor every week. Yes.

      I have both conditions that match autism and aspergers so I am unique. For example I can easily handle most social situations but I am clumsy and have poor eye and hand coordination. To this day I can not play a piano with two hands. The mechanism in the brain that divides the signals to my hands does not work properly. My left hand will play the rhythm of my right and my right would play the rhythms of my left.

      Congratulations. That also happens to the rest of the population the older they are when they try to learn the piano. It also applies to juggling -- there is a hump you have to get over, after which it becomes easy. But getting over that hump is the hard part.

      In complex situations like in relationships, I can notice my difficulties. I do not do well when women are not real direct about how they feel. Why do women do this?

      To confuse men. Try listening to a men-orientated talk radio show some time. You'll see that you are not alone.

      --
      Coming soon - pyrogyra
    2. Re:Most geeks including myself are midly autistic by Eivind · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Do you find certain social situations difficult or awkward?

      Yes. Because "certain" social situations are difficult and awkward. To everyone.

      Do you feel out of place sometimes?

      Yes. Because sometimes I am out of place. Like that time I accidentally entered the wrong toilet in the fancy restaurant...

      Do you have bizarre certain interests that no on cares about? *computers cough cough

      Yes. I admit freely to not liking Britney-Spears and soccer. This indicates independent choise, and not disease.

      Do you feel smart in certain area's but lack knowledge sometimes of other different area's?

      Certainly ! Nobody but a complete idiot would think he knew everything, and nobody but a person with severe self-image problems would think he knows nothing. In other words, every healthy person will answer "yes" to this question.

      Do you find expressing emotions difficult even though you have them?

      No more difficult than the average person, that is to say, sometimes very difficult indeed.

      Do you feel yourself to be somewhat clumsy ?

      Not really. Motorical skills are mostly about training though, maybe if I didn't like surfing and rock-climbing I'd be less coordinated. I fail to see what that's got to do with anything though.

      As a kid did you feel more interested in complex things like science or weather rather then playing GI joe ?

      Sure. You mean a young boy who finds the apollo-missions more interesting than killing must be mentally sick in some way ?

      Chances are you may be mildly autistic

      And chanses are that with your "test" 90% of the population are autistic.

  33. Hmm...maybe not. by ColGraff · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First of all, note that I am not saying you don't have Asperger's. But it doesn't neccessarily follow from the definition you provided that Asperger's is even the most common cause for the behaviors described. For example, I was a bright little kid. I picked up reading early, enjoyed it greatly, and so of course I was made fun of often in elementary school. This, for a long time, made me reluctant to interact with other people or try to make friends - I thought they'd just make fun of me. (Sound familiar, slashdotters?) I got over it eventually, but for a lot of my early childhood, I missed out on a lot of the normal socialization process.

    As a result, I'm a bit socially inept. A lot of social interactions other people take for granted - especially interacting with groups of people - I picked up later. But this isn't because of some sort of neurological problem - I just didn't have a normal social life, because the other kids made it hard to have one.

    Likewise, I have above-average verbal skills (don't judge by this post, please), a strong interest in politics and history, and I'm a bit self-centered in my conversation. But this can all be easily enough explained as the product of social isolation and an affinity for the written word, not Asperger's. If you like to read, history (and politics, which is really just a subset of the same) is something you're going to have an easy time learning. And as for being a bit self-centered - again, that could be the result of social isolation. Or, I could just be an asshole, that's certainly a possibility. :-)

    In the interests of intellectual honesty though, I feel the need to mention some things that I can't explain away with social/psychological factors. Asperger's suffers, if I read the definition write, tend to have mild speech problems - I had to visit a speech therapist for a while when I was seven. And my handwriting has always been very, very bad. And, as my friends and family can attest, I do seem to lack common sense. :-)

    My point, however, is it makes no sense for the tends of thousands of fine people on /. to assume they have Asperger's - it's an easy explanation for nerdiness, but it needn't always (or even often) be the correct one.

    --
    I'm the stranger...posting to /.
  34. Re:Autoimmunity by Thagg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We think that this could have something to do with our five-year-old with autism, but it's hard to know. Our son was diagnosed with kidney reflux as a fetus using ultrasound, and at six months he was prescribed a low dose of amoxicillin to be taken every day to prevent bladder infections, which could back up into the kidneys a destroy them. We did this until he was about 22 months old or so.

    While this is the kind of rediculous anecdote that shouldn't be given too much credence, it amazed me to find another patient of the same kidney specialist in our autism support group; with the same antibiotic program. Probably just a coincidence, but maybe not. Both syndromes are quite rare (although autism apparently becoming less so), and to find both in two kids is pretty darn unlikely, but of course possible.

    thad

    --
    I love Mondays. On a Monday, anything is possible.
  35. A solution for slowing the spread of Autism... by kyletinsley · · Score: 5, Funny

    However, it is possible that a milder expression of the same genes does have advantages, ala tech centers. Think sickle-cell anemia, where one gene gives you malaria resistantance, but two make you very sick.

    So clearly, the answer to stopping the spread of this Autism is to mandate that every geek coder in Silicon Valley must mate with a supermodel who has no math or technical skills whatsoever. They must not mate with other geeks, but only with those who get paid to wear their underwear on stage. This is absolutely necessary for the survival of intelligence and technology in our country! So please models, take one for the team!

  36. Take the AQ(Autism Quotient) test! by naasking · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm totally serious. There's a brief test at the end of this Globe and Mail article on the autism explosion and the apparent geek link.

    Interestingly enough, I received an AQ of 12 (below the average of 18), meaning I'm more well-adjusted than "normal" people. Rather amusing I thought. :-)

  37. Possible cause by PhotoGuy · · Score: 4, Informative
    There have been some evidence that gluten inteolerance (i.e. wheat allergy) can be related to autism.

    Some people have found gluten-free diets successful in helping autistic children.

    The whole gluten-intolerance area is *way* behind other areas of research; hopefully someday there will be more discoveries that can help both conditions (especially autism).

    Rather than slashdotting a specific site, I'll just mention that a google search for "gluten intolerance" and autism has a lot of related sites and articles.

    --
    Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
  38. The study is CRAP! by John+Whorfin · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm sorry, but how can any Autism study say there's a 273% increase in Autsim and not take into account that the DIAGNOSTIC RULES CHANGED IN 1994?

    The DSM-IV came out in 1994 and significantly broadened the diagnostic criteria for Autism. In my not so humble opinion, this has to have contributed directly to the 273% number the UCD study spouts.

    My 3-year-old son was diagnosed with Autism last year. There are a huge number of "autistic traits" scattered through out my family. I have no doubt that if born today, I would have been diagnosed on the "autism spectrum", my father certainly would have been, as well as two of my nephews and quite likely my sister.

    As it is, we were simply called "different" or "challenging" or "problematic". "Autism" was reserved for the likes of "Rainman".

    The study (at least as it's being reported) is invalid. There has not been a 273% increase in Autism, there has been a 273% percent increase in the Autism cases being diagnosed.

  39. Socialization, "intelligence", and alienation by electroniceric · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Kudos to the editors for posting this piece - it's an interesting forum in which to discuss this issue. Numerous people have posted personal experience with proper or improper diagnosis of Asperger's or autism.

    One of the implicit themes I see here that has not gotten much open discussion is that of being smarter than other people, both as a kid and afterwards. This notion seems very deeply embedded in geek culture, and is tightly bound up the sense of alienation that seems so prevalent here. For some reason, being "smarter" than other kids seems to set one in the direction of alienting narcissism.

    As Jay Matthews, a very well-spoken education columnist for the Washington Post puts it in a piece on college interviews:


    Here is Hernandez's assessment of Ivy League admissions officers: "They may consist of graduate students, former teachers, spouses of professors and college staff; and career administrators. The majority of this group did not graduate from any highly selective college, let alone an Ivy League one. . . . [Many] are not expert readers . . . and most of them are not scholars or intellectuals. . . . What I am trying to say without shocking too much is that the very best of applicants will often be brighter than many of those who will be evaluating them."

    Oh my. I can only imagine, with horror, what might happen if an applicant accepted this analysis as a guide for proper interview behavior. It is not a good idea to think you are smarter than other people, particularly those from whom you need a favorable report. Say, for example, a young applicant in the middle of an interview mentions his term paper on progressive education and, trying to be helpful, says, "Maybe you haven't heard of John Dewey, he helped launched that movement." Or what will an alumni interviewer think when he asks an applicant about her science fair entry and hears these words: "Well, this gets very complicated, but I will try to summarize it for you."


    This is some of this wisest advice I can imagine giving a teenager. First of all the notion of being "smarter" than other people is suspect - you have to define smart in a very narrow way to believe that. Or put another way, there sure are a lot of "dumb jerks" out there who seem to be able to accomplish many of their life goals. Are they "smart"? Who cares, they're getting what they're after.

    None of this is to contest the more knowledgeable points of view on autism or Asperger's, but simply to point out that there's a pretty strong link between alienation and one-dimensional estimations of intelligence (see the work of Howard Gardner on multiple intelligences, and to encourage everyone in this very intellectual crowd, particularly those raising children (saw a couple disturbing posts of 40+ somethings who really think they're smarter than most others) to look hard at what it means to be smart, and at the consequences of teaching a child to be a particular kind of smart.
  40. Thimerosal in Vaccines by Guppy · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Autism is caused by mercury (thimerosal) in vaccines [mercola.com]."

    If this were true, in the future we should see a sharp drop in Autism cases, in children born right around now. The FDA passed down an instruction to reduce the use of thimerosal a while ago, and most manufacturers have either reformulated, or are in the process of reformulating to use other preservatives (a few never used thimerosal to begin with).

  41. Its Genetic by thogard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Many forms of Autism are related to the link between both sides of the brain. People with less connections (or less effective connections -- which is a different problem) tend to be geeks. The other end of the spectrum seems are the socialites. Thouse with low levels of cross conects tend to be able to focus on a problem on one side of the brain but are hopeless for problems that require both. Men typicaly have fewer cross connects than women. A high level of cross connects are very importaint for verbal communication of ideas (and they play a part in strange moodyness as well).

    If your mother's father was an Engineer, your very likly to be a geek if your male. When you throw this into a social context, you will find that most of the women who like hanging around with geeks, have a geeky father or or gradfather. This means they have the gene for this and have become conditioned to the "different" level of communication. If a geek breeds with a woman who has the gene, a geeky child is very likly. Its standard genetics and it explains why the best geeks of all time had a very short line of decendants.

  42. Personal Experiences by aebrain · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm sure there'll be a lot of comments about this one. I'd even be willing to bet that most /.ers have more symptoms of Aspergers than not.

    Getting down to cases: I can only theorise based on my own internal experiences. So, here goes some facts and opinions, without attempt at analysis:

    1. Until age 8, I had no understanding of the conspiracy called "common sense". I was constantly being told to use it, but there seemed to be no pattern to the illogical sets of behaviour it indicated. It was only when I saw the utility of playing the social game that I made a studied campaign to emulate something I couldn't process natively.
    2. I look for sequences of words whose meanings do not correspond to the logical meaning of the individual components. If someone says "It's awful weather" then do not reply "It does not inspire Awe in me.", the symbol-set is a code for "Communication Request.". It should be ACK'd by a code such as "Yes, isn't it - but the rain will be good for the farmers." (thereby indicating willingness to continue meaningless social interaction - which can be useful, even if a waste of time), ACK'd by "Hmm, yes." indicating acknowledgement but no desire to continue this time (leaving open the possibility of communication should such be useful), or NAC'd by a grunt or just silence. This will be treated as a permanent stop on communication, so is to be used only after due consideration.
    3. When living in a society which is illogical, and rubbing mud on one's belly and two feathers behind the right ear is compulsory, do so. Do not try to understand it, just review the consequences of not conforming. If it is important ethically not to conform (e.g. not joining in a lynch mob) then do so, but only after planning how to escape negative consequences.
    4. Your wetware is running on actual hardware, subject to illness, hormones, and other non-logical interference. Take this into account as much as you can - and if you're young, do a lot of listening. Time spent in reconnaissance is seldom wasted. There is a pattern there, just not an easy one to recognise, and it's both complex and dynamic. But regardless of whether you can understand human society, it is possible to fake it enough to be useful. Take comfort in the fact that evolution has pre-disposed your brain to do it, even if there's no logic to it.
    5. Do not attempt to understand logically human-human interaction: your brain is wired not just for algorithmetic processing, but is a neural-net. You can think without consciousness. A good exercise is to consider such actions as walking - try to do it by thinking about it, and you will be less efficient than letting the programmable firmware handle it. You can do the same for decyphering some non-verbal communications from others. (I'm still not very good at this.)
    6. One effective strategy when playing Primate Games of Dominance, Office Politics etc - certainly enough to survive, which is all that we're interested in - is to be completely truthful, honest and open. Those whose brains are wired for deceit will not be able to find your hidden agenda, since you don't have one. This will cause confusion to them, they will think you're a better player than they are, so will leave you alone.

    When I was about 6, I had a General Anaesthetic. It took me over 10 hours to come out of it. For much of that period I was dimly aware of external stimuli, they just weren't important. Eventually I managed to decode the face-slaps and sounds as attempts to wake me up, and thought it useful to do so. I guess (and I do mean guess) that a lot of autistic children just haven't seen a good reason to interact socially or with anything else in the Universe. Even a fingerprint can be endlessly fascinating, so why bother with the sounds that the universe (the bits that are other people) makes? They are just a distraction. You can make them go away by screaming, so why remember words? As for my own son - who's now 16 months old - I'm playing games with him with lots of mechanical toys (lots of fun to be had with swinging doors ), but also playing social-interaction games such as "pass the juice bottle" where we share a cup of juice, taking turns. And a lot of exaggerated facial grimaces for smiles, frowns and other non-verbal communications. I want to show him that things outside himself are interesting too. Because to lose speech and get too fascinated by internals is debilitating and very very not-useful, fun though it might be. You will get frustrated, and not know how to alter your environment to make it better. You will also upset people around you who care about you.

    --
    Zoe Brain - Rocket Scientist
  43. About farking time by alexburke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The New York times has an article (no registration required)

    About farking time. Taco, perhaps you might want to add code to Googleize NYT links in stories?