Slashdot Mirror


Mitch Kapor's Outlook-Killer

Kent Brewster writes "In the San Jose Mercury this morning: 'For more than a year, [Mitch] Kapor and his small team have been working on what they're calling an open-source "Interpersonal Information Manager." The software is being designed to securely handle personal e-mail, calendars, contacts and other such data in new ways, and to make it simple to collaborate and share information with others without having to run powerful, expensive server computers.'" Kapor explains his intent in his own words.

22 of 323 comments (clear)

  1. Was it just me.. by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or did anyone else read the headline and think there was yet another outlook vulnerability?

    --
    Pain lasts, kid. Its how you know you're alive. Sometimes I think this growing up thing is just pain management-TheMaxx
  2. Evolution.... by colin_n · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why not build on the success of evolution?

    --

    --------- I have no signature
    1. Re:Evolution.... by colin_n · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why is that considered funny? I wasnt trying to be funny. Was it funny to people?

      --

      --------- I have no signature
    2. Re:Evolution.... by Sivar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Build on the success of Evolution.

      Think about it. ;-)

      --
      Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. --E. W. Dijkstra
    3. Re:Evolution.... by Tokerat · · Score: 3, Funny

      Build on the success of Evolution.
      Does that meean this software will come into common use and become the de-facto standard everywhere except America's Bible-belt?

      --
      CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
    4. Re:Evolution.... by kubrick · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but the great advantage of the 'Creation' program is that it will only take six days to write! On the seventh day the author will rest.

      Evolution, on the other hand, is taking aeons :).

      --
      deus does not exist but if he does
  3. I send you these files to ask you advice by schlach · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kinda disappointed... For a second there, I thought it was another email worm that uninstalled Outlook on its way out...

    =)

  4. Chandler by T-Kir · · Score: 4, Funny

    Code-named ``Chandler''

    At least it wasn't named after the same character from 'Friends'...

    People might have worried that the software would take after the character... get a bit bloated and be a bit sarcastic. :)

    --
    Are you local? There's nothing for you here!
  5. Re:sorry by Psiren · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps this is a bit exaggerated but I've simply experienced too many disappointments with software which does not exist yet.

    Yeah, I've always had problems trying to get non-existant software to compile. Even when I do it never seems to run.

  6. Nah, the *real* Outlook-Killer by schlach · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... is Exchange =)

  7. Excuse me? by CoolVibe · · Score: 1, Funny
    You are:
    • posting to the wrong forum
    • preaching to the wrong choir
    • hopelessly offtopic

    Unless divine intervention has to do something with killing that eeevil outlook of course

  8. Re:sorry by Entropy_ah · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, I've always had problems trying to get non-existant software to compile. Even when I do it never seems to run.

    you should probably upgrade to gcc3.2

    --
    my other penis is a vagina
  9. Re:sorry by sydb · · Score: 3, Funny
    kermit:~# cc /dev/null
    /dev/null: file not recognized: File truncated
    collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
    kermit:~#
    Yeah, you're right. Vapourware.
    --
    Yours Sincerely, Michael.
  10. Re:sorry by JabberWokky · · Score: 5, Funny
    Compiling /dev/random will work, it just takes lots of tries. (And you'd probably want to make sure that ^D forces the end of file rather than trying for the end of that stream).

    --
    Evan

    --
    "$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
  11. Re:sorry by thefogger · · Score: 3, Funny

    You know, if you compile the output of a million /dev/random's with a million compilers for an unlimited amount of time, you'll eventually end up with a working linux kernel ...:-)

    --


    Um... I didn't do it!
  12. Re:sorry by evilad · · Score: 3, Funny

    But you wouldn't have to groff nearly that many of them to get a complete set of man pages for the unix command set.

  13. They need a copy editor to edit their copy by steveha · · Score: 5, Funny

    now overwhelmingly dominated by Microsoft's inelegant but overwhelmingly dominant Outlook

    This surprisingly clumsy phrase was clumsy but surprising to me.

    steveha

    --
    lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely
  14. Re:sorry by maw · · Score: 5, Funny
    it is just vaporware for me

    Hmm, I think you mean Kaporware.

    --
    You're a suburbanite.
  15. Re:Python by The+Pim · · Score: 5, Funny
    The project is going to be written mostly in Python....

    I've been meaning to swap some books in Safari and check out the Learning Python... I guess I finally have some reason....

    but why is there no code available?

    When you learn Python, you'll find that it's high-level, dynamic nature allow you to accomplish a great deal in only a few lines of code. So no code in Python probably contains more functionality than no code in C.

    You'll also find that whitespace is an important part of Python syntax. So look closer--that "no code" could contain a lot of significant whitespace.

    --

    The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
  16. Re:Frontpage news by plasm4 · · Score: 1, Funny

    too bad I already patented it since I was planning on doing it the day after tomorrow

  17. excess verbiage error by MegaFur · · Score: 4, Funny

    Note to reader: this is not a flame! I'm just joking around. It's funny, laugh.

    From the article:

    A couple of months ago, it became clear that we could not do all of the above while at the same time fully realizing all of the new ideas we've developed about helping people manage information better. This gave rise to an important idea, which is that we see this project as needing to go through multiple major releases to grow up and become fully realized. We felt it was important to start with something which could over time gain wide adoption, because then there would be a larger potential base of interest for future developments. All of which is to say we're going to wind up deferring working on certain cool features in order to get an initial product out the door.

    At this point, a small team has spent the better part of a year thinking through the problem space and developing the fundamental of our approach and has just begun writing the production code. We've made a number of fundamental decisions about the architecture and have arrived at a preliminary set of features. Andy Hertzfeld has built a terrific prototype which enabled us to explore lots of new ideas.

    A couple of paragraphs ago, it became clear that I could not take all of Mitch Kapor's claims seriously while at the same time fully realizing my internal goals of being honest to myself and others. This gave rise to an important idea, which is that (maybe) Mitch has been in marketing far too long. I felt it was important to continue reading so that I could be fully informed. All of which is to say that I have to keep reading while Mitch drones on and on about "product" and "deferring work" and more "product".

    At this point, a small team has spent the better part of a year thinking through the problem space and developing a theory to explain wtf Mitch's problem is. (Their answer? Five tons of flax! (see ddate(1) or your peneal gland for more info)) I've made a number of fundamental decisions about the quality of the weblog I've just read and have arrived at a (not preliminary) set of conclusions:

    1. Mitch Kapor has been fatally infected by market droids and suits.
    2. I have too much time on my hands.
    3. You have too much time on your hands. (You (might have) read the article, then you read the blockquote of my post (so you read (part of) the article again), then you read all the way down to here.)
    4. I use too many parentheticals. (But it's so much fun, dangit!)

    The part that really got me was the first line of the second quoted paragraph. Yes, I understand what he means by "thinking through the problem space", but I can't ignore that he actually phrased it that way. Guys, the only time a programmer should talk of "problem space" is when she or he is writing code that handles one. E.g. an expert system that has to search its database to find the "best" answer to the user's querry or a (chess-like) games program that has to search the tree of valid moves to find a good one or a root finding program that has to search in the x-y plane (or the x-y-z space or n-dimensional space) for the set of points where f(x[1],x[2],...,x[n])=0.

    Now go talk amongst yourselves while I "think through the problem space" of how to quit being a slashdot bum and go get a job. :-P (I know, I know. The answer is obvious...)

    --
    Furry cows moo and decompress.
  18. Read slashdot from the groupware client!!!! by Nicolay77 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "having every feature a user wants"

    That of course means that /. will have their comments in an email format.

    Imagine the anxiety just waiting for that pop-up window saying: "Your message has been replied" or "You've been moderated insighful".

    And believe that some of us are /. addicts... just wait to see this stuff working !!!

    --
    We are Turing O-Machines. The Oracle is out there.