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Pioneer DVR-A05 Review

kila_m writes " Over at DVD Writers we have the world's first review of the recently announced Pioneer DVR-A05 DVD writer. It supports 4 speed DVD-R writing, 2 speed DVD-RW, 16 speed CD-R and is able to write to CD-RW disks at 8 speed. The review is based on a pre-release unit and is fairly comprehensive. " The review itself is one level deeper.

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  1. Slot Loader? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm still waiting for Pioneer (or anyone) to make a slot-loading CD-RW / DVD-RW/+RW drive. Their slot loading DVD drives are fantastic.

    Nobody seems to make them. Does anyone know if there's a reason why?

  2. Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Does anyone know if this is an ATAPI burner? Can it be used by existing software?

  3. Looks Good by e8johan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I hope that I actually get the manual in the complete release:

    "The package contains:

    1 x Pioneer DVR-105 DVD Writer
    1 x Manual (online)
    "

    I'd have to say that it looks good, even the cons section had an awful lot of items solved by having a second read-only drive (which you usually have).

    When on the subject I'd like to discuss a reliability issue. Burned CDs, and even more CDRWs, have a tendency to break after a while (don't expect a CDRW to hold data more than 1-2 years). Judging from the added complexity I doubt that burned DVDs are better. How does a burned DVD rate as a backup media? What is the error rate compared to your average tape?

    1. Re:Looks Good by timeOday · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Burned CDs, and even more CDRWs, have a tendency to break after a while (don't expect a CDRW to hold data more than 1-2 years).
      Where did you get that? Try 200 years.

      Granted, nobody will no for sure until these things start failing. But since most of us reading this have already had CDR-drives for more than the 1-2 years you estimate, we know you're wrong.

  4. SCSI by alsta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Where's the SCSI version? Seriously, why does it seem as CD-R/DVD-R drive manufacturers are abandoning SCSI? I realise that the dude who's getting a Dell has IDE and they probably sell more of those. I also realise the people out there who don't want to spend the extra cash on SCSI have a say in this. I further realise that there will be people who will say that they've never had a problem with IDE burners and good for them. I have had nothing but trouble with them and I will never purchase another again...

    SCSI burners work better and tend to last longer, although the only metric I have are my Plextors who have lasted a few years now. This is versus HP IDE burners which have both failed.

    So... Where's the SCSI version? Last time I checked, Plextor was the last reliable SCSI CD-RW drive vendor out there. Who/what/why would you recommend today? Are there any benefits to IDE burners (technically for the IDE interface, not just because they're newer and faster) over the SCSI counterparts?

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    1. Re:SCSI by Zeio · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Plextor has a new SCSI version in the works. Unfortunately quality and efficiency is secondary to volume. I personally have a Plextor 12X SCSI, and it has never burned a coaster and this was before Just Right and Burn Proof. Jörg Schilling has a fetish for Plextor as well (he writes cdrecord).

      Real hardware zealots appreciate SCSI stuff in a machine. Steven peddles "Dell Dude's approved Hi Val Lite On Combo Re-Writer" but the reality of the situation is grim.

      My first epiphany with regards to SCSI being superior came form this "old POS" 486 server I found lying around somewhere. But it was a SCSI system. Not that I condone dumpster diving, but when these new fangled Packard Bell pieces of crap with their feeble Pentium 90 with FDIV [PENTIUM - Produces Erroneous Numbers Through Incorrect Understanding of Math] error and cheesy IDE hard disks, looking around for real alternatives isn't a bad idea.. Needless to say the SCSI 486 box lived far beyond its intended day of deprecation.

      What IDE comes down to is its Intel backed. Not that Intel is a bad thing for the industry in terms of volume, they bring cheap and fast to the masses, nor are they bad to keep things competitive. But they sell CPUs and endorse IDE/EIDE/ATA/ATAPI and USB/1/2. That means SCSI and Firewire is better.

      SCSI - first to implement SMART. This stuff has worked for me first hand. SCSI uses sector sparing which remaps defects to spare sectors, not marks them as "bad." ATAPI is a subset of the total commands available to the SCSI, and SCSI being the superset it has more commands available to it to perform various extra things. IDE drives have primitive understanding of tagged commands, if at all. If you have to write, Say, ABCD to the disk - but the placement on the physical platter was ACDB. SCSI would write them out as ACBD, to say the disk from having to do extra work. IDE class would start at A, then pass up the C locations to write the B, then rewind to the C location, then forward to the D location. Grossly inefficient. SCSI drives have superior warranties. SCSI drive vendors will advance replace hard drives, not requiring you to rip out your drive and send it off as IDE vendors do. SCSI vendors make money on SCSI drives - this is a good thing because that means they actually support he product. SCSI implementations on UNIX are clean, and most IDE "SCSI-like" devices are emulated as SCSI for a reason. If you think SCSI is a myth, try this one on. Novell 4 provided an IDE driver so that people could use IDE CD-ROM. They specifically asked that IDE drives not be used to serve Novell shares, the devices generally could not handle the extremely aggressive (and pleasantly fast and recoverable) Novell file system. Low and behold, my cheesy boss thought to put an IDE disk in there. It seized up a year later. Literally. The drive wouldn't even spin up. Luckily I noticed this condition and was able to copy the info off (we had backups but hey, up to the minute is better). After power off and power on, drive, dead. This drive was not one of those drives prone to failure, like the 75GXP or a 6GB WD. It died a horrible death due to inferior capability.

      I like my Adaptec and LSI/Symbios high end SCSI cards. I like low CPU usage. I like a proactive approach to error detection and correction - sector sparing and SMART. I like calling and getting support.

      Notable - the price for 80 pin SCA equipment is in expensive. If you need cheap SCSI disks this is the way to go, there seems to be overstock of said drives and places like Hypermicro will give you a converter from 80 to 68 pin (LVD safe) for free with 80 pin purchase.

      Also, just recently, be cognizant of the fact that FireWire creamed USB 2.0 despite the higher bandwidth maximums. Intel sell CPUs. Eating more and more CPU power created a need for bigger better faster more.

      Now a drawback with SCSI is the idiotic cabling, high cost. The answer to idiotic cabling was SCA a SAF-TE enclosure. Hot swappable and all. Clearly with SCSI-over-IP coming, and 10GE with SCSI-over-IP being a planned alternative to FC, there is something alluring about SCSI to keep it going on in the 10 GE era.

      I would like to see a firewire-like connector adaptation of SCSI at some point. I like SCSI. The driver support is universal for AIC78xx and NCR/Symbios/LSI 53C8xx/53C7xx. The performance is superior and handles very busy multi user stuff far more gracefully. Better warranties. Better data reliability. Interestingly cheap backchannel for 80 pin SCA.

      For DVD-ROMS, I would like to see SCSI and firewire come out first, the crud adaptations to USB and ATAPI come out later.

      I am repulsed by ATAPI add in cards, btw. I don't like Promise too much, I don't like HPT at all. I think 3Ware is a nice idea but it's a hack and it makes not sense to do anything but mirror an IDE to me.

      Do I have a 120 MB 8MB buffer hard drive? Yes. Do I wish it was a SCSI yes. Would I buy another CDR burner when I have a Plextor SCSI 12X? No, not until another SCSI one comes out. I already have the SCSI subsystem in place so the incremental cost in getting a SCSI drive is worth it.

      So in summation, I am supporting "alsta's argument and desire for SCSI versions of hardware. I also makes it easy to stuff new things into SCSI only platforms like some Sun Ultra workstations. And interestingly enough, lots of former Mac zealots and I agree, Apple jumped the shark hard when they bailed on SCSI. For anti SCSI zealots I will condone only Firewire. And then maybe USB for junk like keyboards and mice. I wish that machines were all build with the SCA or FC backplane that the Sun workstations get. Its elegant, reliable, easy to service, hot swappable and guess what, if you care about what's on your hard drive no price seems to high to guarantee better data availability.

      High-Quality! Inexpensive! Superior-Performance! - pick any two.

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  5. Reasonable CDR speed. by mikedaisey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm just thrilled that it writes CDRs at 16x...I'm using an 8x notebook burner now, so I was resolved not to take a hit in speed when I get an external DVD writer. At 16x I think a lot of people can finally get one drive for all their burning needs, rather than a seperate CDRW and DVD-R.

    There will be exceptions, if you need (or think you need) superfast burning. but this is welcome news.

  6. Other uses for 19.2megabits per second by HBPiper · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Putting this together with last weeks "Philip's SFFO 3cm 4Gig Optical Discs" story and now you have a choice of watching 5 2 hour movies or streaming 1080i HDTV over your cell phone. Who's going to have time to make phone calls?

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  7. Re:Multistandard? by cwj123 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That drives actually already in stock at the Circuit City. For what it's worth. The model number is Sony DRU500A and it retail for $349

  8. How about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The accounts I've heard from the elders about Betamax are something I don't want to have to experience first hand. This drive appears to solve the problem by reading most of the formats, and writing most of them too. I desperately need a new CD-ROM, and would like a way of recording as well, but my trepidation at being locked into early technology is large.

    This article mentioned that even some versions of the PS2 had differences. I despise this sort of thing. I have a feeling that with the right sort of hardware, most of these problems could be fixed in firmware. Some company needs to put out a drive that has the hardware to do everything, release the specs, and watch as the firmware to read/write all standards roll in.

    As an aside, how and CD-R[W] and DVD[+/-]R[W/AM/OM] accomplished in Linux? Would it be by creating a file of the proper size, hooking a loopback device up to it, and treating it as the proper file system, then writing that to the disk? What if I don't have a partition on my disk big enough to handle the temp file?

  9. Re:Not interested by Rader · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not true. Your examples don't represent the rest of the world. There are people with larger mp3 collections, larger movie collections. Larger fill-in-the-blank.

    DVD being only 7X more capacity of CDR is a disappointment. Add to the fact that the drives are only barely in the affordable range, AND that we don't have a single standard.

    If we were talking blue disc right now,(38X more capacity of CDR) that would be something different!

    There are articles available that show that the DVD recording technology has been purposely delayed to milk out the last $$$$ out of the CDR market.

  10. I'VE GOT A PRICE... Sorta by mesach · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I work for Pioneer, and when I saw this I was like, WE DONT EVEN HAVE IT!? HOW DID THEY REVIEW IT!

    But I Found out that its due in here next week, I guess we (Japan Corp) sent it out to some manufacturers first, and they somehow got ahold of one.

    As far as pricing goes, I have been told that dealer pricing is supposed to be the same as the A04, so whether or not the dealers will mark it up more or not is up to them, take it as you will. Im gonna get mine next week.

    BTW 4x Burning Doesnt even matter when you don't have 4x media,

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