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UK ISPs Refuse to Monitor Users

An anonymous reader writes "The internet industry has refused to sign up to plans to give law enforcement and intelligence agencies access to the records of British web and email users, throwing David Blunkett's post-September 11 data surveillance regime into fresh disarray. In the latest of a long line of setbacks for the home secretary's data retention campaign, the Guardian has learned that internet service providers have told the Home Office that they will not voluntarily stockpile the personal records of their customers for long periods so that they can be accessed by police or intelligence officers."

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  1. umm by Pros_n_Cons · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is it just me or is the UK now the free nation America use to be. now they are the home of the free and land of.. well 1 out of 2 ain't bad.

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  2. Re:Question... by StefMeister · · Score: 2, Funny

    The question is, WHY did they refuse?

    Maybe they were afraid people wouldn't surf for porn anymore if they could be seen by the government and thus traffic would reduce with 60% :)

    Stef
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  3. In a related story... by CySurflex · · Score: 5, Funny

    US ISP's, in an attempt to match the actions of their UK counterparts, have anounced that they will only retain users records for 50 years insead of 100 and will ship their router logs only once a week to the NSA, instead of nightly.

  4. nice typing by pavera · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think they should hire a better typist over there at the Guardian, I've never seen so many typos in one article in my life, to show just a few:
    The investigations citedrefer
    have been struggling to agree terms
    No vember
    to force internet prov-iders

    I mean really! get a spell checker! And a grammar one too!

    1. Re:nice typing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      for those unaware the Guardian has a long and famous history of typos. It is affectionately referred to as 'The Grauniad' by many readers...

  5. My ISP is Not The Law by Inda · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is no chance of my ISP every doing this in the UK. They can't arrange for the cable box to be fixed. They can't get my bill right after 12 months of me telling them that I do in fact pay by direct debit and they shouldn't be charging me a levy. They can't even pick the phone up after 10^6 rings...

    What chance do they have of recording all my web page visits and emails?

    http://www.nthellworld.com/

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  6. Re:Unfortunately ... by plumby · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does Osama bin Laden even have an email address? He did have a mobile phone, and they did track him on this for a bit, but then (if I remember correctly) they announced this to the media so he switched it off.

  7. Re:Unfortunately ... by gowen · · Score: 4, Funny
    Does Osama bin Laden even have an email address
    Yes. You can even read his letters in the technology pages of newspapers complaining about how hard it is to get broadband connectivity in his cave.
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  8. Re:Unfortunately ... by Alranor · · Score: 3, Funny

    I dunno, he might just have a REALLY good throwing arm ???

    On second thoughts, you're probably right.

  9. The easy vote by oliverthered · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the 1st Jan there will be a number of changes in the servers 'an ISP' is providing.
    We will be increasing you subscription charge by 25%,
    Your bandwidth will be limited to 26kbits.
    We will be capping you email to 20mb a month and browsing to 2000 pages.

    All this has been necessary to comply with recent government regulation introduced by David Blunket.

    If you have any problems, you know how to vote next time around.

    Have a nice day.

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    1. Re:The easy vote by Sobrique · · Score: 2, Funny

      Lib Dem's policy of 'if we get in, we legalise cannabis' is inspired. Just think of how much of the voters who usually wouldn't bother, will because of that one policy. Course, that's assuming they're not too stoned.

  10. Re:Unfortunately ... by shibbie · · Score: 2, Funny

    We've found him! The only place were broadband is difficult to acquire is the UK!

  11. Re:NOT SO WOW by saintm · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think you will find that it is TV *and* booze thank you very much.

    Oh, best go.. got the bare minimum to do before the boss appears.

  12. Re:Unfortunately ... by thelexx · · Score: 3, Funny

    NEW POLL SHOWS CORRELATION IS CAUSATION

    WASHINGTON (AP) The results of a new survey conducted by pollsters
    suggest that, contrary to common scientific wisdom, correlation does in
    fact imply causation. The highly reputable source, Gallup Polls, Inc.,
    surveyed 1009 Americans during the month of October and asked them, "Do
    you believe correlation implies causation?" An overwhelming 64% of
    American's answered "YES", while only 38% replied "NO". Another 8% were
    undecided. This result threatens to shake the foundations of both the
    scientific and mainstream community.

    "It is really a mandate from the people." commented one pundit who wished
    to remain anonymous. "It says that The American People are sick and tired
    of the scientific mumbo-jumbo that they keep trying to shove down our
    throats, and want some clear rules about what to believe. Now that
    correlation implies causation, not only is everything easier to
    understand, it also shows that even Science must answer to the will of
    John and Jane Q. Public."

    Others are excited because this new, important result actually gives
    insight into why the result occurred in the first place. "If you look at
    the numbers over the past two decades, you can see that Americans have
    been placing less and less faith in the old maxim 'Correlation is not
    Causation' as time progresses." explained pollster and pop media icon
    Sarah Purcell. "Now, with the results of the latest poll, we are able to
    determine that people's lack of belief in correlation not being causal has
    caused correlation to now become causal. It is a real advance in the
    field of meta-epistemology."

    This major philosophical advance is, surprisingly, looked on with
    skepticism amongst the theological community. Rabbi Marvin Pachino feels
    that the new finding will not affect the plight of theists around the
    world. "You see, those who hold a deep religious belief have a thing
    called faith, and with faith all things are possible. We still fervently
    believe, albeit contrary to strong evidence, that correlation does not
    imply causation. Our steadfast and determined faith has guided us through
    thousands of years of trials and tribulations, and so we will weather this
    storm and survive, as we have survived before."

    Joining the theologists in their skepticism are the philosophers. "It's
    really the chicken and the egg problem. Back when we had to worry about
    causation, we could debate which came first. Now that correlation IS
    causation, I'm pretty much out of work." philosopher-king Jesse "The Mind"
    Ventura told reporters. "I've spent the last fifteen years in a heated
    philosophical debate about epistemics, and then all of the sudden Gallup
    comes along and says, "Average household consumption of peanut butter is
    up, people prefer red to blue, and...by the way, CORRELATION IS CAUSATION.
    Do you know what this means? This means that good looks actually make you
    smarter! This means that Katie Couric makes the sun come up in the
    morning! This means that Bill Gates was right and the Y2K bug is
    Gregory's fault." Ventura was referring to Pope Gregory XIII, the 16th
    century pontiff who introduced the "Gregorian Calendar" we use today, and
    who we now know is to blame for the year 2000.

    The scientific community is deeply divided on this matter. "It sure makes
    my job a lot easier." confided neuroscientist Thad Polk. "Those who
    criticize my work always point out that, although highly correlated,
    cerebral blood flow is not 'thought'. Now that we know correlation IS
    causal, I can solve that pesky mind-body problem and conclude that
    thinking is merely the dynamic movement of blood within cerebral tissue.
    This is going to make getting tenure a piece of cake!"

    Anti-correlationist Travis Seymour is more cynical. "What about all the
    previous correlational results? Do they get grandfathered in? Like, the
    old stock market/hemline Pearson's rho is about 0.85. Does this mean
    dress lengths actually dictated the stock market, even though they did it
    at a time when correlation did not imply causation? And what about
    negative and marginally significant correlations? These questions must be
    answered before the scientific community will accept the results of the
    poll wholeheartedly. More research is definitely needed."

    Whether one welcomes the news or sheds a tear at the loss of the ages-old
    maxim that hoped to eternally separate the highly correlated from the
    causal, one must admit that the new logic is here and it's here to stay.
    Here to stay, of course, until next October, when Gallup, Inc. plans on
    administering the poll again. But chances are, once Americans begin
    seeing the entrepeneurial and market opportunities associated with this
    major philosophical advance, there will be no returning to the darker age
    when causal relationships were much more difficult to detect.

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