ECCp-109 Solved

Daerk writes "ECCp-109 has been solved. A week ago. Now wonder my stats haven't updated. Now what am I going to do till climateprediction.net goes live..."

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What will you do?

[Charlton Heston]

Folding!

Re:What will you do?

[circletimessquare]

or, make math history (and possibly win a couple of grand)

find the 40th Mersenne Prime

Re:What will you do?

[Omnifarious]

I dropped SETI and started doing Folding because I think it will be more directly relevant sooner. It'd be neat to find signals from another civilization, but I'm more interested in learning the details of how the fanstically intricate machine that is a human being works so we can do a better job of fixing it.

This is Dilution of Distributed Compute Power!

[TechyImmigrant]

The number of simultaneous distributed attempts against hard compute problems should be limited to 1.

Having all these different crypto challenges, protien folding challenges, SETI searches etc, just dilutes the pool of available computers for each task.

Counter thread

[Anonymous Coward]

Counter said 237,655 at 12:43 eastern time.
Post your value and we'll measure the slashdot effect.

next?

[Anonymous Coward]

How about the DPAD/muon project?

http://www.stephenbrooks.org/muon1

Re:Cancer?

[Spoing]

Cancer is one of the medical institutions major source of income, if it were cured, what would we do with all the stupid research centers? Many people think that cancer can be cured by using good food, lots of greens, no meat, etc. But really nobody considers this because it doesn't make money.

Another datapoint. I used to date an Otolaryngologist (ears, nose, and throat) who worked at NIH (a (the?) main US national medical center).

In normal conversation, she would talk about the large number of cancer patients she had and how hard it was for them to stop smoking or drinking alcohol even after they were diagnosed.

One day, curious, I asked how many cancer patients she had over the years that didn't smoke, drink, or both. 30 seconds went by. A frown developed on her face. "I think, maybe, two over the past 10 years. One I know was the wife of a smoker." She went on to explain that most were both alcoholics and 1+ pack a day smokers, though nearly all the rest were either heavy smokers or drinkers.

While cancer treatment and diagnosis wasn't her primary responsibility, it was a large part of the practice's business and (when money was available) research. Other problems they encountered were related to smoking -- especially cronic childhood ear/throat infections where one or both of the parents were heavy smokers.

Take it for what it's worth. Me, I love going out with friends for a good beer or two (quality over quantity) and snacks. Her observations keep me out of the smokey bar area, though.

Let's try this instead

[laigle]

So now we know distributed efforts can solve great big math problems. Don't get me wrong, that's good to know and all, but.. aren't there any math problems that would be of more use than giving people with 210 IQs something else to bicker over during Star Trek conventions? Really, I'm an engineer, and sometimes I actually have to use math to do things like MAKE A FRIGGIN CAR OR SOMETHING.

There are plenty of nontrivial engineering problems out there, especially when you take a trip into thermodynamics and fluid flow. Let's solve those. Or sequence the human genome to grow an extra arm or something. Or better yet, let's put the computing power of mankind to work to randomly generate a script for Episode 3 that won't make us want to beat Lucas senseless with our plastic lightsabers. Why can people scrape together all these prizes for pointless pseudo-intellectual drivel but nobody can get some money behind something worthwhile, or at least interesting?

Here's an idea: Instead of using distributed computing for all this junk science, let's start a central distributed network. This network would have a basic interface element for all the major OS configurations, and would be able to update from the web with whatever mathematic formula and trial space it was supposed to run at a given time. Everyone everywhere could download the client, and set it up to run with whatever processor load they wanted, update on a schedule, maybe vary processor load on a schedule so it works extra hard when you're not using the system. Not much of an interface really. Then some organization, say the NSF or better yet an international science conglomerate, could alot portions of the system load to projects they deemed worthy, depending on complexity and value. The cost is basically nothing, in fact since you could get somebody on the planet to write the code for free one weekend, and the bandwidth would likely be rather low, you would most likely not be talking about the cost of funding a minor research project. Users could still run other distributed clients if they wanted, and the system would be completely voluntary. But it would attract a lot of attention and users, do some good for mankind, and direct our computing power in positive directions.

Re:Let's try this instead

[redbaron7]

Yes, it is called "Grid Computing". A number of software magazines and journals have featured articles on it in recent months. I think even Scientific American had an article on it 6 months or so ago.

The scheduling/etc problems for a Grid are pretty big, so the first Grids will have nodes based in academia and each node will be pretty powerful (eg. a small cluster).

If such a scheme works and as the technology matures, maybe we'll see Grid nodes on home computers.

RB

Re:when I was little

[eXtro]

Cryptographic cracking has a point though, we rely on cryptography for personal security. We need to be able to establish guidelines for what may be considered secure enough for a given application. In order for this to happen these algorithms have to be tested. Cryptographers do the bulk of the real work by analyzing the underlying algorithms and publishing new, faster faster methods to brute force these algorithms. We do our part by applying these algorithms and proving that a given algorithm is in fact weak for a given purpose.

This is necessary, the government would otherwise do a real world repeat of the apocryphal Bill Gates statement "640K ought to be good enough for anyone" and restrict the upper limits of cryptography that may be used. This is fine until the wrong people take advantage of this and sieze information damaging to us.

Whether there's more point to cancer research is a personal consideration. Insisting that spending time on seti v.s. cracking cryptography v.s. curing cancer is like complaining that somebody went into computer science rather than bio-medical where they could have cured cancer rather than started the next dot-com.

Re:when I was little

[Waffle Iron]

Well, does this cryptography cracking have a point? We know that the algorithm will be cracked when the right key is hit.

I think that the point is that a lot of PHBs and policymakers won't believe that a given encryption technology will ever be crackable until they see that it actually has been cracked. There are a lot of people in this world who refuse to believe that anything that is still "theoretical" is either possible or important.

Re:Cancer?

[Penguinoflight]

That's just the thing though, I know of many people who have been cured by eating their vegetables, and they didn't die. Doctors may tell people to eat right, but often they don't themselves. In fact, the average lifetime for a doctor is 58, almost 20 years lower than the average person. Not only are they the most informed about healthcare, but doctors don't usually have the problem of not being able to pay for perscription drugs, like other seniors.

Re:What are you going to do? Beat cancer!

[Patersmith]

Who owns the results of UD projects, though? I'm not donating processor cycles so that some multinational can patent the cure for cancer.

Re:What are you going to do? Beat cancer!

[FreeUser]

Here [ud.com] you can donate your CPU cycles to help discover a cure for cancer. If that's not a noble cause, no telling what is.

Fine. I'll consider it, so long as any research benefitting from my donation signs a legally binding agreement not to patent the resulting cure (if any), or any other useful knowledged gleaned from our 'donations.'

What, you say no way? Then this isn't a charity, it is just another profiteering company looking for a free handout, and playing people's heartstrings to get it.

Most of the patented pharmaceuticals have significant contributions of public funds (taxes) as well as private donations (charities), which they then patent and sell back to the very people who helped underwrite their research at often unaffordable monopoly prices. AIDS is the perfect example of this, where treatments developed in no small part from publicly provided funds are patented and cost upwards of $20,000 year for each patient in the United States, while Brazil, which has chosen to ignore these very same patents, can offer the same treatment to AIDS patients down there for $200 / year (the government often picking up that tab and providing the medicine at no cost to the patient).

Until the researchers involved stop patenting and locking down the knowledge they are gaining in no small part from our donations and our tax dollars, I'll keep my money, and my CPU cycles, thank you very much.

DC Project I would like to see...

[Midwedge]

Instead of an infinite number of monkeys at typewriters, have a DC project randomly generate text, and see how long it takes to write Shakespeare..... Pointless ... Yes But why not?

can i have your cycles

[paradesign]

ive had this same rendering going for like 15hrs now and its only half done on my P4 1.4 box. just a few of your cycles would really help.

but seriously, what if Pixar did a distributed thing to get its movies rendered faster, wveryone gets like a fraction of a few frames at a time, which are then rendered and sent back to be composited to form an image? id be down.