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Slashback: BitKeeper, Maine, Novell

Slashback is back, with a largish handful of updates and new information about previously run stories. Topics this go-round include Xbox sales in Australia, the Novell / MySQL connection, Adam Smith (no, not that Adam Smith)'s bizarre anti-GPL statement mentioned yesterday, and more. Read on for the details.

I thought Adam Smith was in favor of free markets and the exchange of ideas. mrjive writes "The plot thickens. In response to yesterday's story, it turns out that the attack on the free software movement was attached to the end of the letter in question by Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wash, who happens to have Microsoft as his biggest beneficiary. The original authors of the letter have sent an angry response for essentially twisting its original purpose. Read the full scoop here."

For the even-fuller scoop, see Roblimo's article on NewsForge.

Not bottling it up inside of himself. An anonymous reader writes "Richard M. Stallman has responded to comments made a week ago in response to his own Linux kernel mailing list post about the BitKeeper controversy. 'A technical issue or project sometimes raises ethical issues,' Stallman began. He did not stop there. More on the (newly cached and therefore a little bit Slashdot-immune) Linux and Main . Be gentle."

Free knowledge for sale for free, etc. OverCode@work writes "The complete LaTeX source to Loki Software's game programming book, Programming Linux Games, is now available on the author's site. This book was reviewed here a while back. Mad props to the publisher for letting this happen."

Everybody'sSQL haggar writes "MySQL (commercial license) will be shipped as standard with NetWare according to this announcement. I consider it a follow-up to the Slashdot story about the PostgreSQL port for NetWare. Apparently, the options for NetWare users are widening, thanks to open-source products!"

An iBook in every (lobster)pot! Call Me Black Cloud writes "Some time ago Maine awarded a contract to Apple for laptops for school kids. MacCentral has an interview with Maine governor Angus King where he discusses the success of the program. Despite the Maine state legislature's attempts to kill the program, it continues on. Why? Well, a $1M grant from the Gates Foundation certainly helped. Over the summer Apple delivered 18,000 iBooks and installed 239 wireless networks in 239 schools."

So long as they're not mandatory. Polo writes "I noticed that the Garmin Rino 110 and 120 are shipping. If you don't remember, these are FRS/GMRS Radios with integrated GPS. You can transmit your position to other units so they can hear you and see where you are. Pretty cool. This is a follow-up to an older story"

What the market will bear. His Nastiness writes "Just a follow-up that I ran across that indicates that Steve Ballmer may have just been blowing hot air on not selling the XBox in Austrailia anymore. See the previous thread here."

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  1. Huh? by joyoflinux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is the Gates Foundation sponsoring a campaign to buy Apple laptops? Not a troll, just wondering.

    1. Re:Huh? by chimpo13 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The article says that the Gates Foundation kicked in a million dollar grant, and that the state of Maine thought, rightfully so, that Apple was a better product.

      A quote, "The bids were roughly similar in price, but the iBook had a greater value than the other laptops".

      I'm sure Gates will be a bit more careful in the future and add stuff like "Here's a million dollars worth of M$ stuff".

  2. Both parties are controlled by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... itturns out that the attack on the free software movement was attached to the end of the letter in question by Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wash, who happens to have Microsoft as his biggest beneficiary.

    No surprise -- Microsoft is a huge contributor to both parties, including the Democrats -- whom some believe are supposed to be our saviors from the "evil, corporate Republicans." They're not -- they're on the inside what Republicans are on the outside.

    If you really want a change, don't vote for either party -- vote Libertarian if you're on the right, Green Party if you're on the left, and independant otherwise. Both parties are in the pockets of big business, and that's bad both for those who advocate freedom from the government as well as those who despise deregulation.

    The more we have third party, the closer we get to fairer, European-style representation.

    1. Re:Both parties are controlled by GoatPigSheep · · Score: 5, Insightful

      so you think there is something wrong with bill gates' personal foundation (which has nothing to do with microsoft) donating money to desperately underfunded schools? I don't. I hope those kids put those laptops to good use.

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    2. Re:Both parties are controlled by Fiveeight · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's really not that much better here in the UK. We have three main parties (actually more like 2.5, but I'll get to that.)

      The Labour party are currently in power, they're easily the most professional politicians (read that as you will), and they're going to be in power forever, because the opposition is so hopeless. They're also big fans of big business, "streamlining" the justice system and good suits. They're also hopelessly corrupt in a million small, depressing ways that make you wonder how they maintain any self-respect. But hey, they "care", so it's alright.

      The reason the Labour party is going to be in power forever is, the Conservative party. They got beaten (demolished) in 1997, and they seem to have become less credible with every passing year. The reason that they got trashed in '97 was their corruption (real honest-to-god cash for favours stuff), unbearable arrogance and sheer incompetance. Since then, they've had two near-identical leaders who've spent most of their time playing right-wing catchup with the government and missing opportunities to /actually oppose/ things. They have at least finally managed to ditch all the old ex-ministers they had, which considering they were some of the most hated men in the country, was probably a sensible move.

      And the .5 party, the Liberal Democrats. Don't have that many suppporters, too close to the government on a lot of things, no doubt all funded by arms companies and crooked businessmen. Unlikely to win a general election. Still, some of their stuff appeals to naive knee-jerk liberals like me, and I have a Liberal Democrat MP because of that. They were also honest at least once when they pointed out that better services require more money, as opposed to mythical "efficiency savings" made by selling public utilities to large companies for fire sale prices and then paying whatever they ask for to keep them running.

  3. Vote Grammar Nazi! by yerricde · · Score: 5, Funny

    vote Libertarian if you're on the right, Green Party if you're on the left

    What are you supposed to vote in the middle? Libertarian National Socialist Green Party?

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  4. Maine is Smart by tekunokurato · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've lived in Maine for about six years now, even though I'm in Mass for college at present. Education was one of the major draws when my parents moved there, and it will continue to be one of the major draws for other families, especially with this program in place.

    I was back to visit for the Pop!Tech conference this past weekend; at Governor King's suggestion (he spoke briefly), I took a look at the Camden middle school, and it was incredible. The students were thoroughly engaged, and the teacher had the liberty to roam the isles and show them how to do things on their individual computers.

    Yeah, I wish the program had used a linux distro, but anything is better than nothing. It's a really special thing.

  5. Oh no...... by nullset · · Score: 5, Funny

    *looks at the overcode.net server, sitting next to him*

    *grabs a fire extinguisher*

    at least John warned me that the box was gonna be slashdotted......

    (if you don't believe me, look up my IP address and then overcode.net's IP address, or email me nullset onthesite overcode.net)

    --buddy

  6. Bitkeeper license breaks separation of jobs by yerricde · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only one being impaired of happiness. or suffering is Richard Stallman.

    Or anybody who wants to work on both the Linux kernel and revision control software. Even if working on Linux and working on Subversion are separate jobs, the restrictions of the Bitkeeper license apply to the person and thus cross from one job to the other, as I mentioned in my other comment.

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  7. Comments not related to Xbox??? wtf??! by Ted_Green · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Either the press need to learn to actualy quote people acurate, or Microsoft needs to stop talking out of both ends (probably both.)

    A Microsoft spokeswoman said that Ballmer's remarks were not specifically related to the Xbox, and that the company was committed to selling the console in Australia. http://www.gamemarketwatch.com/news/item.asp?nid=2 582

    versus


    Microsoft would be forced to reconsider selling the Xbox video game system in Australia, or seek changes to the law, following the acquittal in July of a Sydney man alleged to have sold chips that modify a Sony PlayStation 2 to play imported games, Microsoft chief executive Steve Ballmer said yesterday.
    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/10/18/10345613 04223.html

  8. Re:European-style representation by shadowj · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't buy your story. Here's the flip side: quite often, a two-party system reaches equilibrium, giving you two parties that are as different as Mastercard and Visa. There's really not a lot of distance between the Republicans and the Democrats.

    Canada has managed quite well with a multi-party system; sure, they get some single-issue parties (like the Bloc Quebecois), and yes, they make trouble, but they also get stable, mostly competent majority governments most of the time.

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    --Larry

    Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence

  9. RMS is trolling! by FurryFeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whichever way you cut it. Activism doesn't belong in a technical list, even if he says that it's an ethical discusion. In Slashdot, he would be already at (-1, Offtopic). (Well, he wouldn't, but he should).

  10. Info on the Gates Foundation by Chromonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    First read about them here: Gates Foundation

    Here's a few highlights of the year ending 12/31/2001

    Financial Position highlights
    Amounts are in thousands of dollars.
    Net assets: $32,751,466
    (note: That's BILLIONS)

    Grants Paid

    Global Healthcare: $855,567

    Education: $177,944

    They are the largest private contributor fighting global health issues (and it is believed to be the largest driving force behind malaria eradication in the world)

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    1. Re: Info on the Gates Foundation by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny

      Global Health $855,567
      Education $177,944
      Libraries $43,176
      Pacific Northwest and Other $36,868
      Special Projects $33,403
      Spotting them buying iMacs: Priceless
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      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  11. More on the Gates Foundation by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 5, Informative

    Their website has a lot of information on what it's done, and I must say, the foundation rocks. Click on the "Grants" link for a graph of grants given. $5.5B. That's a lot of mo... In 2001 (from the annual report), "...we gave over $1 billion in grants in support of more than 2,050 grantees." You may hate the company, but that monopoly is doing some good somewhere!

    Here's more about the grant to Maine.

  12. Re:European-style representation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    'Bicameral' means 'two chamber' and refers to a two-house legislature, the House and the Senate in the case of the United States Congress. It has nothing to do with the political parties involved.

    While I agree that the bicameral (two-house) system is quite efficient and is a good legislative solution, please remember that the Constitution has absolutely nothing to say about political parties.

  13. how to debate Richard Stallman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. claim he said things which he didn't
    2. describe your feelings about his definition of "freedom"
    3. claim that the GPL "forces" you to do things
    4. be sure to never address the issue he raises
    5. ???
    6. profit!

    how easy!

    1. Re:how to debate Richard Stallman by wfrp01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you really believed in freedom then the GPL would just be the same as the public domain. That's freedom. The BSD license is far closer to a truly free license, the GPL isn't even remotely close to a free license.

      Or so says Larry McVoy.

      The freedom to take someone else's freedom away does not equate to "more freedom". When one individual gains a priviledge, while many others lose priviledges, the world is not "more free".

      Poor Larry's plaintiff wail in defense of true freedom rings hollow the minute you realize the only freedoms he really cares about are his own.

      Yes, Larry, in defense of freedom, the GPL places restrictions on what you can do with code. That's the way it works. The GPL restricts you from taking away other people's freedoms.

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      --Lawrence Lessig for Congress!
  14. The Gates Foundation in South America by herko_cl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a close friend who works for a medical research institution here in Chile. They research contraceptives and provide free reproductive health care for extremely poor people. They are supported, to a large extent, by grants from the Gates Foundation. Think what you may about Microsoft, I think Mr. Gates has done some really good things through the Foundation.

    AFAIK, the Gates Foundation is also responsible for vaccines for millions of African kids, in places where the government can't or won't do it.

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  15. Bitkeeper License by rossz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems the major problem open source developers are having with the BitKeeper license is that it places a certain requirement on them, just like the GPL. The GPL community response to criticism has always been, "don't use GPL code if you don't like the license." Seems perfectly reasonable. If you don't like the BitKeeper license, then don't use BitKeeper. When you get down to the basics, it's the same damn issue.

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  16. Re:European-style representation by Analysis+Paralysis · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This does not speak well of your knowledge of history. When the American War of Independence finished in 1783, Europe was a collection of monarchies with only some starting to devolve power to "elected" assemblies. The French Revolution of 1789 replaced their monarchy with a dictatorship with democracies only slowly evolving thereafter.

    As for the current state of affairs in Europe, parties are either given seats in direct relation to their voter numbers (proportional representation - used in most European democracies) or using the winner-takes-all system (single-member district plurality system, used in the US and Britain).

    Both have downsides, neither is ideal. However having just two major parties does lead to a convergence of policies as both try to appeal to a broad "centre ground" spectrum of voters - as seen in both the US (where both candidates were accused of being in the pockets of business/media corporations) and the UK (the current Labour government being seen as following many of the previous Conservative policies). This results in a denial of choice to the voter, with low turnouts being a typical sympton. Another possibility is that of extremists gaining votes simply by virtue of being of only ones to offer something new.

    As for dullards, the US has had an undistinguished record recently with Clinton being the only one who seemed to know what he was talking about policy-wise (as long as he kept his trouser zipper shut). Bush Snr and Reagan had their policies pretty much set by unelected advisors, and as for Bush Jnr...well saying he seems an improvement over Dan Quayle is the only compliment I can pay him. Europe's problem has been more with corruption rather than talent(German ex-Chancellor Kohl, French President Chirac and Italian President Berlusconi being examples).

  17. Re:European-style representation by irix · · Score: 5, Informative
    they also get stable, mostly competent majority governments most of the time

    No, we get stuck with a middle-of-the-road Liberal party in power becuase the other interests in the country can't get their act together and get them out. And thanks to the lack of term limits and anything resembling the power of the US house/senate, we get essentially a dictatorship that has been in power so long that they are corrupt.

    At least you have change in government every now and again, and some way to oppose a decision taken by the president.

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    Do you even know anything about perl? -- AC Replying to Tom Christiansen post.
  18. Re:Gates Foundation != Microsoft by n-baxley · · Score: 5, Informative

    GF might have simply chosen what computer would benefit students the most.

    Not to stomp on the Gate's foundaton, but they didn't choose this technology. They dontated money for educational computers and Maine decided to go with Apple.

  19. WELCOME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Welcome to the Software Police State. You will be given public housing. However, we are a police state with Three (count em, three!) dictators. You can CHOOSE which dictator you wish to be ruled by. WHICH WILL YOU CHOOSE??

    Dictator #1: GENERAL BSD ...

    General BSD is a benevolent dictator, despite his devlish appearance. Here are his rules for living in the BSD Housing Project:

    INSIDE THE HOUSE: You can do whatever you like.

    OUTSIDE THE HOUSE: You can do whatever you like.

    Note: Someone might move into your house when you're gone, move all the furniture around, and change the locks. They will replace your favorite beer with wine coolers (yuck).

    Dictator #2: GENERAL STALLMAN ...

    Stallman is a loud and obnoxious dictator. If you live in a Stallman House, you must follow these rules:

    INSIDE THE HOUSE: You can do whatever you like.

    OUTSIDE THE HOUSE: If you ever leave the house, you will be escorted by a Stallmanist agent, who will whine to you about freedom, and also how to pronounce certain words.

    Note: People may enter the house while you're gone, but they're not allowed to touch anything. And they won't be allowed to drink any of your beer (yay). Did I mention the whining?

    Dictator #3: GENERAL MCVOY ...

    General McVoy is a bit of an asshole himself. He whines all the time about how he needs to pay his army, and how nice it is of him to let you live in HIS house temporarily, and when are you going to get a job so you can pay for the house.

    INSIDE THE HOUSE: You are monitored 24 hours a day. Remember, it's McVoy's house, you freeloader! And you better drink McVoy's favorite beer or he'll take your house away!!

    OUTSIDE THE HOUSE: You are not allowed to leave the house. Sorry.

  20. The Melinda Gates Foundation by stox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It should really be named the Melinda Gates Foundation. She must be quite a woman. Until Bill made the best decision in his career, his charitable contributions from 1976 to 1997 amounted to be a big fat ZERO!!! It does appear the Melinda has had an enormous influence. In the past few years, the Gates Foundation has grown to one of the largest charitable contributors in the world when measured by dollars, but still is one of the smaller ones when you look at the percentage of the endowment they donate to charities. John D. Rockefeller gave 10% of his income every year to charity, beacause he realized that he built his fortune through the society and he owed that society a substantial debt. Maybe, someday, Bll Gates will come to the same conclusion.

    Until then, I wil stand by my conclusion that Bill Gates has been a tightwad, of previously un-imaginable proportion.

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    "To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
  21. Republicans and Democrats by Mad+Marlin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Who the fuck modded this up.

    The moderators.

    You have a two party system because it's modeled on Westminster.

    We do not have a two party system, it is just that currently (and usually) only two of the parties are able to garner enough votes to even be considered.

    The current system has virtually no input from the population and is becoming more and more like the royal courts of Europe used to be. A quick example is the number of career politicans and the number of Father/Son teams. Republican = Democrat there is so little difference as to be insulting.

    The system has virtually no input because virtually nobody votes. It is rare to even get a 20% turnout. There are major differences between the parties, it is just that they are rarely talked about on political TV ads. Instead, the ads state:

    • Our candidate supports education.
    • Our candidate supports police.
    • Our candidate supports the military.
    • Our candidate will bring jobs to the area.
    • The only time the other candidate won't be raising your taxes is when he is too busy kicking old women and little children.

    You can stick your head in the sand and trot out the party line about democracy, freedom, liberty etc but please do not try and use examples to back you up that you obiuosly have not researched.

    As an example of such un-researched examples:

    Research how closely related by blood American politicans are to European. Then go on to research where your current politicans were educated? Then see if you can guess why the population of America has virtually no say in their goverment or laws?

    How many people reading this are American citizens of age 18 or over who are not voting? I think that I can guess why they have virtually no say in their government and its laws.

    The two part system gives the illusion of a democracy when in reality all we do is change dictators.

    The are four main political views in America today. They are Libertarianism, Conservativism, Liberalism, and Socialism. The Libertarians and Conservatives have generally resided in the Republican party, although some conservatives are in the Democratic Party. Liberals and Socialists (the mainstream ones at least) are generally Democrats. The Libertarians and the Socialists have recently been splitting off as there own parties, the Libertarian and the Green parties. Neither of them will ever amount to much on any presidental election (lets hope) since they are to exteme for most people, and too extreme for comprimise.

    The problem with the Libertarians is that they fail to realise that we actually do need a government, even a federal government, and we always will. They mainly only side with Conservatives because they aren't Democrats, who generally think that the solution to anything is a large government program.

    The problem with the Greens/Socialists is that they want to replace the system of primarily corporate development and activity, which, while it has problem, actually works, with a system that has been demonstrated to not work on several occasions, all for the benefit of spotted tree frogs and the like. They will never get anywhere, because the American public likes their SUV's, McDonald's, non-fair-trade coffee, and cheap sweatshop clothing, and don't want to be told to change, and definitely not that they are evil.