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Mandrake Announces Turn-Key Clustering Distribution

joestar writes "According to their website, Mandrake and partners (Bull, INPG/INRIA...) have launched an 'easy-to-deploy easy-to-use Linux Clustering solution,' that has already been tested on a 40-node cluster. Of course, it's published under the GPL, comes with parallel applications, and is available for download as an ISO. It seems the project is financed by French government. It's great because I've always dreamed of having my own supercomputer at home."

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  1. Imagine.. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny
    a single PC running this!

    Gotcha!

  2. No SCSI by gorillasoft · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hardware restrictions

    A fast ethernet network switch

    NO SCSI drives in nodes

    A PXE bootable network card (intel / 3com)

    A 3D accelerated video card for the virtual reality 3D engine


    Seems a bit limiting - no SCSI drives?

    1. Re:No SCSI by benploni · · Score: 5, Informative

      You've obviously never built a real computational cluster. Real cluster nodes are better off not having any drives at *all*, as they are the only moving part in the mix. It boots PXE, loads a kernel, and nfs mounts root.

    2. Re:No SCSI by imann · · Score: 4, Informative

      i'm following this project, and the SCSI port is running and will be available soon :-)

    3. Re:No SCSI by SquadBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are , of course, right. But they also have a 3D card included in those specs. Seems odd to me. I'm thinking those must be the specs for the master node. (It has been a long time since I've thought about clusters not sure if that is the right term but I think you know what I mean) In any case it looks like someone is confused/wrong on this.

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    4. Re:No SCSI by bm_luethke · · Score: 3, Informative

      well then use OSCAR from here. It supports mandrake (and redhat) and scsi has the tools listed for CLIC, tested up to 128 nodes, doesn't require PXE card (though I would have to say a network switch is kinda needed for networking :) ). Has a fairly large base and good developer base.

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  3. Cluster? by sheepab · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of these things?
    OH WAIT! I CAN!

  4. Phases from the Article by screenbert · · Score: 3, Interesting


    1. This one is nromal.
    - Phase 1: Develop and release a specialized Linux distribution that contains everything needed to quickly deploy a ready-to-run cluster.

    2. I think this means ?????
    - Phase 2 (early 2003): Release of specialized administration, control and monitoring tools for the clustering solution, plus added support for Itanium 2 architecture.

    3. And finally, PROFIT!!!!!
    - Phase 3 (end of 2003): Release of specialized tools and applications for development in parallel environment, final integration and tests, release of the final stable version.

  5. Energy Usage? by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I always figured the problem with a home supercomputer would be the electric bill. Am I wrong about that?

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  6. Noo....Nooooo....... by GeckoFood · · Score: 3, Funny

    If it was financed by the French government, does this mean that Mandrake is going to become the Renault of the Linux world? Eww...

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    1. Re:Noo....Nooooo....... by hikeran · · Score: 5, Funny

      So when german hackers invade it will it surrender root access???

  7. now I can cluster all my 386/486's by itallushrt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great, now with my 15 386/486 systems sitting in the garage I can create something almost as powerful as this laptop I am currently using.

  8. Preemptive strike by GreatDave · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Good. I hope this will convince CEOs in large companies that Linux clusters and scales better than Windows (well, that's obvious) or proprietary Unices. But the penguins can't be too confident, as Sun is up to no good here, hawking distributed clustering as a brand new technology when it certainly isn't, and catering to Fortune 500s and other large companies.

    If we want to make our inroads we must do so now.

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  9. I'm building a CLIC Cluster by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I recently acquired 30 PCs in the Pentium-II range from a local community college, for free, as they were actually headed for the landfill.

    Just as a weekend project, I was going to use the Beowulf software, but this CLIC software looks quite interesting, considering it's a total package and probably comes with the ease of use of Mandrake, so I'm going to give it a try.

    All I have to do is get the PCs out of the shed, make a lot of CAT5 cables, format quite a few hd's with CLIC, and build my own Beo^H^H^HCLIC cluster out of crappy Pentium II's and do something stupid like calculate PI to a googol digits, even though my power bill will probably be insane.

    Wish me luck, I'll keep you posted!

    1. Re:I'm building a CLIC Cluster by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "...and build my own Beo^H^H^HCLIC cluster out of crappy Pentium II's and do something stupid like calculate PI to a googol digits, even though my power bill will probably be insane."

      Heh. If anybody calls you a dork, it's cos you earned it!

      :)

  10. French Govt Eh? by evildan21 · · Score: 3, Funny

    So I guess when you do something wrong it will tell you things like: "I fart in your general direction..." and most importantly "go away or I will taunt you a second time".

  11. Alright! by papasui · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can put those 8 486's to work and roughly have the power of a P2-300mhz and lower my heating bill all at once!

  12. whoa! the speed the power!! by nocomment · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Imagine a beowolf cluster of these!!! ;-)

    Seriously though. How cool is Mandrake? First to LSB, full GPL'd version of cd avail for download (damn you SuSE!!), lots of freebies, like the Single network firewall and the old Corporate server(i loved this back in the day), their prosuite stomps any other distro (and for $135 without doc's!), oh and mandrake runs on XBox!! :-)
    Now a cluster??

    My only complaint is they are an RPM-based distro and I like apt-get. Something like the freebsd ports collection would be nice too though, but i just hate those rpm's.

    Just so you don't think I'm a linux leech I have bought 3 version of linux inlcuding mandrakes prosuite, i can't donate code but i can donate ca$h.

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  13. Re:Nope. by Usquebaugh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mandrake? Surely you're confusing Mandrake with the US DOJ?

  14. Who will really use it? by tellezj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One could argue that those businesses that really need a cluster will likely buy one preconfigured. Those that do the preconfiguration probably have an established technique (distro, tools, etc.) and won't likely go for something from Mandrake. The hobbiest who builds one to learn about clusters more than likely wants to do everything himself (like start with a strip down install of slackware and build it up from there). That really only leaves the hobbiest that wants to do parallel programming but doesn't want to build the cluster. Not a very large segment.

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  15. Re:What about Rocks by ShavenGoat · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I run Rocks at the University of Nevada, Reno on 3 of my 4 clusters, and I must say it is better than what CLIC seems to advertise. With ROCKS, you get:
    • SCSI Support
    • Easily reinstalled nodes
    • Pre-installed queue software
    • brain dead admin tools
    • No French Government

    Check it out: Rocksclusters

  16. MPI/LAM by Wolfier · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does MPI/LAM run on it?

  17. Urpmi parallel by imann · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm on the mailing list of this project and there was a parallel feature for urpmi that really rox !

    This tool allow people to deploy RPMS to a group of linux hosts using an intelligent parallel copy.

    How does it works:
    You create a group of hosts so the server can ask the nodes (using urpmi) to prepare for an update/install of packages.
    Each computer tell the server the packages it needs then the server copy in parallel (using ka-tools) the rpms on the nodes (that's very fast even for a hudge number of nodes).After that, nodes update their system using local rpms !
    This feature seems to be designed for clusters but should be used by admins !

    Another point of comparaison between urpmi & apt-get

  18. Open Source And Government Contributions by jukal · · Score: 5, Interesting
    a project publicly funded by the French Agency for New Technologies (RNTL).

    I have lately started being more and more convinced that one of the key issues to success of open source - in a business sense, will be the fact that it is much easier for government organizations and other similar-type organizations to fund them without being guestioned and having put their moral in doubt. Why? Every single time that Microsoft, Adobe or some other closed source company is looking for government money, the politicians are facing a rather guestion: "In what light will this put us?"

    Now, it would be interesting to see some years further and see how this all changes. I am convinced that there will much more public discussion on the subject whether this is discrimative against the non-open source companies. In my opinion it basicly is not, because being open source, it benefits everyone and not just a single company - but still, there's still someone who benefits most.

  19. Re:What kind of cluster? by Havokmon · · Score: 5, Informative
    When I think of clusters, I think of the active-passive Win2K database server we have at our co-location facility. It requires special cluster-aware hardware (e.g. the disk array) and cluster aware software (e.g. Win2K AS, SQL Server). I get the impression from people's comments that this is a different type of cluster. Rather than being about high availability, it is about massive parallel computing. Is this a correct assessment?

    Right. Netware 6 has kick-ass "clustering" that allows a Server to go down, and a 2nd server to beome your file server. You can stream a video (from FILE), down a server, and after a second, your stream will continue - from the 2nd server.

    Most of us call that failover, but Microsoft and Novell are calling it clustering.

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  20. Mandrake club Cluster benifits... by BroadbandBradley · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now they need to let Mandrake Club members pool their resources to create an internet wide cluster for all Mandrake users. Join the club, get to play on the club cluster.

    I don't know what the hell I would use it for / get out of it, but it would be a nice way to support your favorite distro by donating unused cpu time to MCC (Mandrake Club Cluster)

  21. Re:if one more person... by glwtta · · Score: 3, Funny
    Why are you so upset about BEOWULF CLUSTERS? Have you had some bad experience with BEOWULF CLUSTERS or do you not like BEOWULF CLUSTERS for some other reason? I personally have no problem with BEOWULF CLUSTERS, a lot of people here even like BEOWULF CLUSTERS. BEOWULF CLUSTERS have been known to be useful even.

    I conclusion, do you really think a good way to have BEOWULF CLUSTERS mentioned less frequently is to talk about BEOWULF CLUSTERS? I doubt it.

    Cheers,
    BEOWULF CLUSTERS

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  22. XBOX Version by artoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can see it now. Microsoft continues to loose money due to the fact people are buying up XBoxes and modding them to run this.

    Bill: What's going on here. Sales of the XBox have risen 500%, but I'm making no money because no one's buying software!!

    MS Lackey: It's the French, sir.

    Bill: What?! How so?

    MS Lackey: Those Mandrake linux people released an ISO image of linux for the XBox, sir, and then they released clustering software. XBox supercomputing clusters are now springing up all over the place.

    Bill: Quickly, we must couteract this. Launch a shared source initiative, and I want the records showing everyone who has puchased an XBOX without buying any games for it!

    MS Lackey: Right away, sir.

    Bill: Oh, and while you're at it, buy France, jail the government, and burn down the Mandrake offices. That'll teach them.

  23. NOPE! by bhsx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mandrake is compiled for i586, so you're gonna have to at least drop a pentium in to those old mobos...

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  24. They were commissioned by bhsx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is a freebie from the French governement really. They hired MandrakeSoft to create it for them, and MandrakeSoft turned around and said something along the lines of "You realize we're going to give this to everyone to play with and use don't you?" To which the French government replied "I don't care, I'm not gonna sell the thing, I just need it for virtual weapons testing, did i say weapons testing, I meant happy camps."

    So Mandrake didn't really do this to make more money off it, they're already getting paid for it, we just get a nice new toy to play with.

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  25. urpmi is your friend by InodoroPereyra · · Score: 3, Informative
    My only complaint is they are an RPM-based distro and I like apt-get.

    From the command line, urpmi will give you similar functionality (mainly deal with the dependencies for you). And even nicer, the GUI for Software Management in MandrakeControlCenter is just beautifull. Really painless software management, as long as you install software from the installation CDs or urpmi-aware repositories. Security updates are just a few clicks away and you get to see the advisories and decide what you want to install and what you don't. When installing from CD's you are prompted to insert the CD's in the order they are needed. You can search for packages (in names, files and descriptions). I NEVER had any problems, never had to manually solve dependencies (with ML 9.0). It works like a charm ...

  26. RedHat + OpenMosix rpms... by teaserX · · Score: 3, Informative
    This seems pretty easy to me. Add the follwing to your RedHat distro, a little scripting, a little autorun info and you got it (for your hardware at least).
    You will need:
    Then:
    1. Install RedHat
    2. Install openMosix rpms
    3. Install kernel source to /usr/src/linux and patch with openMosix-2.4.18-4.gz
    4. Compile and install openMosixUserland-0.2.4
    5. Configure /etc/openmosix.map
    6. Reboot new openMosix kernel
    7. setpe -W -f /etc/openmosix.map
      on each node
    8. ...and you're clusterin'
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