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Apple Details CSS Bugs in Internet Explorer for Mac

Posted by pudge on from the we-prefer-to-call-them-misfeatures-thank-you-very-much dept.

Isbiten writes "An article at Apple Developer Connection discusses all the CSS bugs in Microsoft Internet Explorer, and compares IE to other browsers, including Mozilla." Wow, they sure do.

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  1. yay codebitch... by netsrek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Glad to see they got some of their data from CodeBitch's Mac Bug List.

    Her column is bloody excellent for browser discussion. Always informative and well researched.

    I could be wrong, but none of those bugs seemed to address the major problem I have with IE on Mac (apart from it being dog slow...), that weird bug where it doesn't render large slabs of a page at all unless you click on it or resize the window...
    unless that's a result of the overflowing/clipping bug...

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  2. Re:Use Chimera by netsrek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've actually found Mozilla to work on more sites than Chimera does at the moment...

    I like the look and idea of Chimera, but I read the Sydney Morning Herald online a fair bit, and it regularly crashes if you go to an article and then go back to the main page. Something to do with their annoying flash ads..

    plus I get to use the GoogleBar....

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  3. Interface differences more important by anarkhos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wish Apple would concentrate on critizing the browsers for having horrible interfaces. I can only tolerate Explorer, mainly due to it being the ONLY Mac OS X browser to properly support drag+drop. Amazing given it hasn't been updated since version 5 was first released YONKS ago.

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  4. if apple feels so strongly about it... by eht · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if apple feels so strongly about it they should stop installing it by deault in osx

    1. Re:if apple feels so strongly about it... by hondo77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's called "constructive criticism". No need to take such a "love it or leave it" attitude. You can like something and still find fault with it.

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    2. Re:if apple feels so strongly about it... by SlamMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whare are people going to realize that companies aren't always one homogenus entity. Because a couple of Apple's developers posted a comprehensive breakdown of different browsers, doesn't mean Apple is going to ditch IE.

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  5. Are these the worst CSS bugs? by yeti+(dn) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If so, then the Mac version of MSIE must have much better CSS support than MSIE on Windows.

    On Windows MSIE nothing works. Want to use visibillity: collapse? You get crap. Want to collapse borders? No way. Want to use someelement > * all-childs-of-someelement selection? MSIE doesn't bother to understand. Want to use [attiribue=...]? Oh Lord! What's this? And on top of that specifying font-family: sans-serif makes the silly thing to render empty squares in place of Unicode characters (though Unicode Arial is installed)

    My pages look exactly as specified in Gecko, fine in Konqueror, acceptably in Opera, ... but MSIE (on Win) renders only crap.

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  6. The Backslash Hack is horrible advice by Slur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple's article demonstrates a "hack" that allows you to target Mac versus Explorer browsers by escaping the asterisk in a closing comment tag. On Windows this causes the browser to "miss" the closing tag and process the css that follows. Needless to say this is a very bad piece of advice on every level. Do not use the so-called "backslash hack." Either Microsoft will fix this Explorer bug and break your code, or they'll *never* fix it because it's too widely depended-upon (like the Windows Registry, for example). Either way this article's author should know better.

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  7. Re:Hmmm..... by hexgrid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now, correct me if I am wrong, cause, hey, I probably am, but does this not seem like just one more subtle insult from Apple to Microsoft? Well-deserved, I might add, but why all these recent jabs?

    I don't think the point of this article is to be critical of Microsoft or of IE5.

    Web developers need to know the limitations of browsers they're coding for, that's all.

  8. Others missed main point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the main point of the article has more to do with Apple trying to convince MS to update the Explorer browser than anything else. As noted at the end of the article:

    "The best way to avoid [the CSS bugs] is to test all sites in Explorer 5. Even then, though, strange and inexplicable things will happen. Let's hope for the speedy release of Explorer 6."

    Translation:
    Jab for bugs. Please fix by updating your software.

    Too bad for Apple that MS has won the browser war--MS no longer needs Apple--not even an itsy bitsy bit.

  9. No by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think so. As you point out, Apple has no incentive to dis IE, which Jaguar installs as the default browser. Not only that, it is very difficult to use another browser as the default without completely erasing IE from your disk. For some reason, if IE is present at all, Jaguar wants to keep it as the default, even if you have explicitly chosen another browser as the default in the System preferences. I have been having a hell of a difficult time to get Jaguar to recognize Mozilla as my default browser, even when it's the only browser on the system. Am I the only one with this problem, or should we (ahem) actually consider IE part of the OS? (yikes!) Anyway I don't think Apple wants to put down IE just to compete with MS.