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Apple Details CSS Bugs in Internet Explorer for Mac
Isbiten writes "An article at Apple Developer Connection discusses all the CSS bugs in Microsoft Internet Explorer, and compares IE to other browsers, including Mozilla." Wow, they sure do.
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of course that link should be this one for GoogleBar....
i don't read slashdot anymore.
I tried the link you supplied using Chimera, and it worked without crashing at all. I have been using Chimera since version 0.3, and I find it generally much better than Internet Explorer, in general. Standards compliance is excellent. The Java support in Chimera still needs work, though.
Try using the nightly builds. I've found that they usually fix more bugs than they introduce.
For some standards-compliant demos that work in Mozilla/Chimera but not in IE, go to http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.0/demos.html
[Written using Chimera 10/26/02 nightly build]
They don't have to bundle Explorer anymore, the five-year agreement with MS is over. But Chimera is still in beta, OmniWeb is not finished, Mozilla is a bloated suite, Opera is not ready for prime time...
i think turning off anti aliasing fixed this for me
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MSIE 5.x for Mac OS (classic and OS X) is well known for being the first browser with good CSS support. Mozilla is quite good now too (better in some ways) but has its own set of CSS bugs. I expect that Mozilla will have its CSS bugs fied before IE's CSS bugs are fixed...
one of the most annoying things about IE5.x on Mac OS is that it doesn't provide any method of choosing a stylesheet. (Mozilla has a very handy View->Use Style menu for choosing which stylesheet to use when a page has multiple stylesheets.) There's a useful little javascript which you can put in your bookmarks toolbar to get around this, but it's annoying that there's no built-in GUI for it. (When testing changes to my CSS style sheets, I like to have the page link to both the old and new versions so I can swap back and forth.)
-- Tim Buchheim
I click twice on that white button in the top right of the window (whatever it is). This is in Aqua, BTW.
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I hate to bring bad news, but it might be your system. I am using Chimera 0.5 and I went to the Sydney Morning Herald to see what would happen. I went to ten different stories, I even changed sections and went through the business and national sections and it never crashed when I used the back button to return to the main page. I had a similiar problem to yours with Chimera a while ago but I have since formated and freshly installed 10.2 and I have no problems now. I think the issue came from either TinkerTool or Dave.
no, that doesn't allow you to do what I want. That allows you to turn stylesheets on and off, and it allows you to set the user stylesheet.
If a page provides multiple stylesheets (for example, wired.com's new design has different stylesheets which specify different font sizes) IE will use the default stylesheet and not give you any method of choosing another one.
Mozilla, on the other hand, will list each of the stylesheets in the View->Use Style menu. (try it right now.. go to Wired.com in Mozilla and look at the View->Use Style menu. You can choose between four different stylesheets for that page.)
To do the same thing in IE, you need to go to favelets.com and grab the "choose stylesheet" javascript.
Another cool site which shows off the ability to have multiple stylesheets on the page is this page .. it's much more interesting than Wired's font size changes. :)
-- Tim Buchheim
You're all very kind, but I can confirm that I (CodeBitch) didn't write the article at Apple's site; Peter-Paul Koch did. I did compile the Bug Guide he refers to, and update it whenever a new CSS bug comes to light that can be narrowed down enough to diagnose. All contributions to these resources, suggestions and so forth are always gratefully received.
Cracking the whip on your naughty HTML since 2000
OmniWeb properly supports drag and drop. I look forward to OmniWeb 5.
mbbac
Explorer supports all the correct metadata when dragging, for example an image link with an alt= will have the three appropriate data elements: a url clipping, a plaintext clipping, and a picture clipping.
Also dragging lins or text to the address bar will replace the current address.
Chimera/Mozilla also embeds weird data which isn't standard, like moz-something (mozu mozl? I can't recall). I have no idea what's up with that.
Anyway I can't even get rid of the toolbar in Chimera and keep the address bar. It has the same lame Mozilla interface. What's up with that?
>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>life
OmniWeb is the WORST at drag+drop!
Ever try to drag an image? Instead of dragging a picture clipping it drags a link to some file on the filesystem!
>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>life
The official name is a "toolbar widget", as it is used to hide/reveal toolbars. You can also get the same effect by hitting Cmd-B twice (which does the same thing), but it's very annoying...
Nae bother
I love OmniWeb and it is my primary browser. But this is something I hope they fix in the next version.
Taken from the DOJ 's conclusions of law of the Microsoft anti-trust case:
"Apple increased its distribution and promotion of Internet Explorer not because of a conviction that the quality of Microsoft's product was superior to Navigator's, or that consumer demand for it was greater, but rather because of the in terrorem effect of the prospect of the loss of Mac Office. To be blunt, Microsoft threatened to refuse to sell a profitable product to Apple, a product in whose development Microsoft had invested substantial resources, and which was virtually ready for shipment. Not only would this ploy have wasted sunk costs and sacrificed substantial profit, it also would have damaged Microsoft's goodwill among Apple's customers, whom Microsoft had led to expect a new version of Mac Office. The predominant reason Microsoft was prepared to make this sacrifice, and the sole reason that it required Apple to make Internet Explorer its default browser and restricted Apple's freedom to feature and promote non-Microsoft browsing software, was to protect the applications barrier to entry. More specifically, the requirements and restrictions relating to browsing software were intended to raise Internet Explorer's usage share, to lower Navigator's share, and more broadly to demonstrate to important observers (including consumer, developers, industry participants, and investors) that Navigator's success had crested. Had Microsoft's only interest in developing the Mac OS version of Internet Explorer been to enable organizational customers using multiple PC operating-system products to standardize on one user interface for Web browsing, Microsoft would not have extracted from Apple the commitment to make Internet Explorer the default browser or imposed restrictions on its use and promotion of Navigator."
Microsoft threatened to hold back development of software for the Mac platform. Apple wasn't in a position to refuse the money.
As far as I can tell this is fixed in Omniweb 4.1.1b1 under Jaguar (the ability to drag complete files into the Finder was not part of cocoa until Jaguar; IE is a carbon app).
I think the problem is that when you update the non-ie browser, the system loses track of it, and resets the default to ie. This happens to me everytime i update omniweb, and yes it is very annoying
Time for some tasty Shiner Bock!