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Beware the Haunted Cordless keyboard

dr. greenthumb writes "The norwegian newspaper Aftenposten reports about an incident where a computer suddenly seemed to develop a life of its own. A game which the user could not remember using that day suddenly appeared on the screen. When he went over to shut it off the screen displayed a message asking him if he "really wanted to delete this file?" His computer was receiving keystrokes from another computer (with the same type of wireless keyboard) 150 metres away! Check out the full story and a follow-up, where experts warns against using wireless keyboards." /me plans to destroy Hemos' sanity...

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  1. see why... by intermodal · · Score: 5, Funny

    not all supposedly convenient technologies are necessarily better or more convenient. I like having a cord on my mouse and keyboard because 1) i know it's connected and 2) i know another isn't. Wireless keyboards etc. have no less a security risk involved as would a wireless network. Imagine being logged on as root and having the guy on the floor above you type in rm -rf /. while you hit the bathroom. even if your door is locked, you're still screwed.

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    1. Re:see why... by PunchMonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

      I like having a cord on my mouse and keyboard because 1) i know it's connected and 2) i know another isn't. Wireless keyboards etc. have no less a security risk...

      Don't place too much confidence in the security of your keyboard, someone might slip one of these on.

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  2. 256 channels??? by g4dget · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The attitude companies have towards security is appalling. Wireless keyboards have to use strong cryptography or credit card numbers and personal information are being broadcast across the neighborhood. 256 channels isn't going to fix it.

  3. SecurityFocus Discussed This by Xenographic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wireless keyboards have other security issues. Read up on the discussion that took place about this on SecurityFocus: http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/82/173944

  4. TV remotes do this too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have the same trouble with my tv remote. After the wife goes to bed, it turns to the TV-MA flicks on Cinemax and then clicks back to TLC or something whenever she walks in.

    1. Re:TV remotes do this too! by LupusUF · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you watch Friends, you will see the danger of this. If you wife is going to catch you jacking off...it had better be to porn...and not some shark attack show on the discovery channel.

  5. This is only the beginning by ShawnDoc · · Score: 5, Insightful
    With Bluetooth finally making an appearance, expect to see a lot more of this. Since Bluetooth devices are supposed to automatically find each other and just "work", this is only going to become more common. Imagine giving a very important PowerPoint presentation when everything goes hawire when someone giving a presentation of their own the next floor up has their Bluetooth remote starting giving signals to your computer.

    I know there are security and other settings that when properly configured will help prevent these mistakes, but just look at the number of unsecured business wireless networks out there that don't even have WEP turned on. Its going to be nasty.

  6. Not quite as fun as VNC by zulux · · Score: 5, Funny


    VNC in an office environemnt is a lot of fun with all the Windows users that never notice the little VNC server icon in the 'systray' - right next to their Gator and Bonzi Buddy icons.

    I've got the keystrokes down just right

    [Ctrl]+[Esc] -> r -> notepad -> Do you want to live, human? -> [F4]

    under a second. Leaves the poor things troubeled. Confused. Hungering for the sweet realse of alcohol or a shotgun.

    Or just move the mouse subtely when they go to click on somthing.

    Of course, don't forget to tell them that it could be Bill Gates fucking with their computer - he's mad that they diden't forward the Windows 95 Beta email. He really wanted to give them $1000 and he's pissed his knickers.

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  7. Latest hacking fad. by Defender2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's right, WarKeyboarding! Boost the signal of your keyboard, and drive around town attempting to control random computers. Not seeing a screen is kind of difficult, but that's only a minor obstacle. Also use a tuned receiver to listen to keystrokes from around town. Passwords galore!

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    1. Re:Latest hacking fad. by sheWhoWalksWithToesL · · Score: 5, Funny
      Ctrl + Alt +Del. Wait a few minutes.

      Crtl + Alt + Del. Wait a few minutes.

      Crtl + Alt + Del. Wait a few minutes.

      Laugh maniacally. Repeat.

      -SheWhoWalksWithToesLikeCobras

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    2. Re:Latest hacking fad. by isorox · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ctrl + Alt +Del. Wait a few minutes.
      Crtl + Alt + Del. Wait a few minutes.
      Crtl + Alt + Del. Wait a few minutes.


      And this differes from normal use how?

  8. Don't Wxorry about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My Log?tec keyboard hask been working for the law#tst two years witout any hi19tch.

  9. It wasn't me... by DrFatal · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally I'll have a decent excuse why that webpage full of naked women was on the screen when my girlfriend walks into the computer room. "I swear honey, it wasn't me.."

  10. Happens toH EmeY all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I uLse a LogUitecZh wirEelRess and mYouse. It's beOen happUening Rso muKch laEteYly, I'vSe gotAten uRsed to iEt. ThoRse meddUlinLg kiEds! GooDd thiDng they cOan't tRype as fKast at me.

  11. Not as bad as the haunted mouse... by telstar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Today's mice are well known to spiral the cursor in a circular motion around your screen at a high rate of speed, clicking the screen randomly when their internal circuitry begins to fry.

    I've witnessed it twice ... once at a colleague's desk, and another time during an application demo.
    It's great fun to explain that the problem is the mouse and not your app to a room full of speculative non-technical people.

  12. Re:This is just funny... by aridhol · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In theory, yes. How many combinations of frequency and code are there? My uncle used to work in a Ford factory, and every car that rolled off the assembly line together used the same key. It's possible that they keyboards have a similar problem.

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  13. 150 meters? no problem. by updog · · Score: 5, Funny

    150 meters? that's cool... since i use inches and feet, i'm not affected.

  14. Re:FCC wont let me be by lostchicken · · Score: 5, Informative

    To be more complete, a Part 15 device is a secondary (or tertiary, if there is already a secondary) user of the entire radio frequency spectrum. That means that they can use the RF spectrum, as long as they don't cause harmful interference to a user with higher priority.

    That means that if your device is hurting my ham radio operations on 146.880 MHz, then I sic the FCC on you, but if I interfere with you, I have primary user rights, so you're outta luck.

    The primary, secondary, etc. system is just a pecking order for RF users. You can interfere with those with higer priority all you want, but Part 15 is always at the bottom.

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    -twb
  15. Well... by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Funny

    How are things at NASA these days?

  16. securing wireless technologies... by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 5, Funny

    If only we could secure wireless technologies. Maybe we could have the signals travel in a secure method - maybe down some sort of tube. maybe the tube would have to have some sort of "antennae" - maybe it should be of some conductive material - like copper.

    We should also make sure that these "tubes" are shielded in some way - with maybe a suple rubber coating.

    Then the wireless signals could travel through this "tube" from the keyboard to the computer - thus rendering them safe from nasty hackers that may be listening.

  17. These things _have_ encryption by geddes · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I just picked up a Logitech Cordless Access Keyboard a week ago, and I am incredibly happy with it. The convenience of being able to sit in my bad and control divx movies in mplayer is great :-)

    I live in a dorm situation, so it is very possible kids who are nearbye will interfere/send keystrokes/recieve keystrokes from my computer. However, Logitech promises Cordless freedom through multi-channel digital radio technology with secure encryption.

    Loitech assures us that the kind of stuff mentioned in the article cannot happen:

    To avoid the chance of interference between cordless products, every Logitech cordless product integrates a 12-bit security ID, which allows the receiver to uniquely identify the emitter (i.e., the cordless device, itself) that it is listening to. The 12-bit ID provides 4096 unique combinations of digits, lowering the risk of interference to less than 0.25%. Additionally, in some Logitech cordless keyboards and mice, multi-channel RF technology allows the channel to be changed in the event of a conflict.

    To further minimize the impact of the already uncommon conflict or interference, some Logitech cordless keyboards now include secure encryption that protects the security of the data being typed on and transmitted by the keyboard.
    But I can't find any more details about this technology. So some logitech keyboard have encryption, some don't. I wonder how easy it is to add encryption to these thigns without latency. I don't want to press "a" and wait 2 seconds while the signal decrpyts for the a to appear on my screen. I wonder how simple or complex the encryption is on my cordless access keyboard. Is it a simple XOR like the AIM passwords or is it real encryption? I don't know. But frankly, I am not worried.

    Bottom Line: zero encryption with 12-but ID codes is good enough for me. If someone really wanted to get at my credit card numbers, they would probobly come into my unlocked room and find my wallet with my credit card in it instead of building a device to pick up the radio signals from my keyboard. Logitech claims a .25% chance of interference, and as long as my keyboard work, that is also good enough for me.