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Competiton: Mozilla's 200,000th Bug

An anonymous reader writes "MozillaZine is reporting that Mozilla's 200,000th bug will soon be reported. Not terribly exciting in itself, but they're running a competition to guess the exact date and time that the bug will be reported to Bugzilla, Mozilla's bug reporting tool. The prize is a Mozilla 1.0 CD that might actually be worth something one day. Anyone can enter, so let's see if we can have a Slashdot winner (we can all share in the glory)! To help you, they're up to 178,325 and 51 bugs have been filled today. (NOTE: Although almost 200,000 bugs have been reported, there are not - and have not been - that many bugs in Mozilla.)"

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  1. How does this compare to other apps? by Pike65 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This may be me just being hideously misinformed, but I have no idea what to expect for a project of this size? I mean it does sound like a helluva lot . . .

    Mind you, I suppose it's better they all get reported and fixed than ignored until someone independant BugTraqs your ass.

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    1. Re:How does this compare to other apps? by TheMidget · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's more than 2^16, which proves that the mozilla project's bug tracking code is able to deal with numbers that large. Unlike Micro$oft, which never have more than 65535 open bugs, because else the counter overflows...

    2. Re:How does this compare to other apps? by Brown · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's extremely difficult to compare this with any closed-source application, as a lot of these 'bugs' were in pre-1.0 versions - which never see the light of day in commercial software. Windows 2000 was however rumoured to have shipped with roughly 65000 unresolved bugs.

      - Chris

    3. Re:How does this compare to other apps? by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hmm. Mozilla is a ground-breaking project using cutting-edge technology (or it was cutting-edge when it was started). I think that there will be a lot of software engineering papers on the Mozilla processs in the future. It is a bold project, and I believe it has succeeded because of persistence and eye-ball-count rather than good planning and solid methodology.

      Then again, a lot of developers had a lot of fun and AOL Time Warner footed the bill, so who are we to complain (except that IE got a monopoly during the years of development)?

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    4. Re:How does this compare to other apps? by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 3, Funny

      <OLDJOKE>...<\OLDJOKE>

      Parse error: Expecting </OLDJOKE> but found <\OLDJOKE> instead.
      Suggested action: Upgrade to MS-XML 2.2.

  2. Moz 1.0? What about Netscape 1.0? by eMilkshake · · Score: 3, Funny
    I believe Netscape 1.0 would be worth more than Moz 1.0 -- that's what I'd rather have.

    <old timer mode>I remember Netscape .9, and wondering if it would ever reach 1.0. We'd say, what more could 1.0 do -- it's such a revolution!</otm>

    1. Re:Moz 1.0? What about Netscape 1.0? by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Funny

      What about Windows 1.01 (or here, here or here?

      Did someone ask for Netscape 0.9 beta (including a review - haha!)

      I feel bad for direct linking, but hey, Windows is only 700K and Netscape around 300K. :-)

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  3. Re:I love mozilla by psavo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    most of bugs in bugzilla aren't real 'bugs', as in code flaws, but rather wishes for enhancement / policies.

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  4. uhmmm... just wait a second... by jukal · · Score: 4, Insightful
    but they're running a competition to guess the exact date and time that the bug will be reported

    before I finish this shell script to flood the bug report database... reset rate-counter...right, the 200 000th bug will be reported in about 42 minutes and 42 seconds. I mean seriously, their intention is probably good - to get serious bug reports - but you can just assume the side effects with all the geeks involved :)

  5. Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Everybody knows that Mozilla hasn't any bu

  6. Not many bugs, eh? by Munra · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So what's all this about: Mozilla riddled with security holes.

    Even with the "bugs", I still love Mozilla, mind :)

    1. Re:Not many bugs, eh? by mccalli · · Score: 4, Informative
      The Register article refers to Mozilla 1.0 and 1.0.1, not the current versions.

      Actually, I think one bug mentioned there was supposed to apply to current versions.

      Cheers,
      Ian

    2. Re:Not many bugs, eh? by DrXym · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Who said Mozilla was perfect? The difference is you can see what bugs are open, assess their importance and see when they are fixed. If a bug bothers you that much, you can even take the patch and retroactively apply it to a branch, e.g. 1.0.x or wait for the next nightly of course. You don't have to wait months for the next 'service pack' or listen to MS or whoever when they fob you off saying an exploit is 'theoretical'.


      Of course, security issues are hidden in Bugzilla until they are made public, but that once they become public knowledge (e.g. through The Register article) they are are unlocked. The locked phase is just a period of grace to allow the problem to be worked on privately without alerting every script kiddie to its existence.

  7. Re:Bugzilla... by Sn4xx0r · · Score: 5, Informative

    At the risk of feeding:

    For crashes, Mozilla has the talkback feature. If Mozilla crashes, and it hardly ever does anymore, all you need to do is type the url you visited, and click send. That's it.

    For other bugs: people will, and do, report them if they are really annoyed with a bug and want to see it fixed. Even if only one in a thousand take the time to file a bugreport you'd still have a pretty large number.

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  8. estimation by mirko · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to the whois database :
    Record created on 24-Jan-1998.

    So, 1747 days have gone since this creation (I assume nobody could file bugs on mozilla.org before this date).

    We now have 178,325 bugs, so the average is 102 bugs per day.

    So, the next 21,675 bugs will be files in approximately 212 days, making the 200kth bug being filed around June 5th...

    Now of course, we could assume that as Mozilla becomes stabler and stabler, the filings should now slow down logarithmically, making the filing so late that we'll have have switched to Phoenix 4.0+gno/kMutt in the meantime...

    But why expecting a CD when we have apt-get ? ;-)

    How, yes : because it would not be the 1.0 version but rather a subsequent one.

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  9. circumventing the /. effect by Masami+Eiri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    and I quote "Sorry, links to Bugzilla from Slashdot are disabled." Looks like someone has the right idea.

  10. if THAT is considered news... by Frac · · Score: 5, Funny

    Competiton: Slashdot's 10,000,000th Typo
    Posted by CmdrTaco on 08:00 AM November 5th, 2002

    from the VA's-lowered-budget-can't-afford-spellcheckers dept.
    CmdrTaco writes "Slashdot is about to see its 10,000,000th typo. Tis is the 9,999,999th one. Not terribly exciting in itself, but we're running a competition to guess the exact date and time that the slashdot hoard will notice the milestone-breaking spelling mistake. The prize is a poster-size copy of Mrs. Malda's revealing low-cut shot." The typo will show up anytime now - good lukc everyone!

    1. Re:if THAT is considered news... by sirinek · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, if you want to get technical, you did it with "hoard". Although that is a correct spelling of a word, you probably meant "horde". :)

      siri

    2. Re:if THAT is considered news... by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 4, Funny

      10,000,000th since when? Oh wait, that's gotta be since the beginning of November, right?

  11. A dumb idea by an_mo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the stupidest idea I've ever heard of. The incentive is just to encourage fake bug reporting, with costs rather than benefits, to the whole project.

    A better choice would have been to pick a random winner from valid bugs filed from today until bug 200K.

    1. Re:A dumb idea by Queuetue · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Read again - the bug submitter doesn't win. It's pool to guess when the bug will be submitted.

    2. Re:A dumb idea by Gerv · · Score: 5, Funny

      Given that we get 300+ bug reports a day, you would have to file a _lot_ of fake bug reports to influence the result. And, after about 5 fake bug reports, I would find you and LART your ass. :-)

      Gerv

  12. Re:The most annoying being... by anshil · · Score: 3, Informative

    Thats easy I guess I got the same, if you trace mozilla you will notice that it hangs at opening "/dev/dsp" which is blocked by xmms.

    You're running xmms using artsd? If not you should ;) Then don't start mozilla normally, start it with "artsdsp /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla", artsdsp will force mozilla to work with artsd, and wolla xmms and mozilla share happily the same sound device via artsd. (and mozilla does not hand anymore)

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  13. Other news... by Kj0n · · Score: 3, Funny

    A bug has been discovered in Bugzilla, which caused it to count every reported bug 5 times. This brings the total number of reported bugs in BugZilla to 83240.

  14. Bad Journalism by afra242 · · Score: 3, Funny
    (NOTE: Although almost 200,000 bugs have been reported, there are not - and have not been - that many bugs in Mozilla.)"


    Reminds me of some awful news stations around here:


    Although only 300 people died in the earthquake, it could have been worst.

  15. 200,000 reported... by Penguinoflight · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not 200,000 bugs that are bugs. There are many, many duplicate bugs even though Mozilla asks people to look over the bugs and not duplicate. Also, many of these bugs are actually to get Mozilla to render a page "Correctly" when the page is written totally wrong, I.E. not W3.org valid, like slashdot.org, only worse. My guess is that about 1/3 of the bugs are really bugs, the rest are dups, features, or just dumb stuff.

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  16. Severity by yerricde · · Score: 5, Informative

    What we need here is the bug equivalent of the Beaufort Wind Scale

    Each Bugzilla entry carries a "severity" anywhere from "enhancement" (request for additional functionality) to "trivial" (slight misalignment of text in form pushbuttons) to "minor" to "normal" to "major" to "critical" (usually a crash or data loss) to "blocker" (a build fails smoketests).

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    1. Re:Severity by DeadSea · · Score: 5, Informative
      • 26.3% (52,618) of the 200,000 have been marked as duplicates of other bugs.
      • 11.6% (23,370) of the 200,000 have been marked as not reproducable (not a bug, it works for me)
      • 2.6% (5267) of the 200,000 have not yet been confirmed (likely to be dups on not reproducable
      • Only 65159 unique, verifiable bugs have been reported against the browser (as opposed to bugzilla, mail/news, and other components that bugzilla tracks).
        • 2.8% (1851) of those 65159 bugs are/were blockers
        • 8.4% (5528) of those 65159 bugs are/were critical
        • 10.2% (6711) of those 65159 bugs are/were major
        • 64.1% (41803) of those 65159 bugs are/were normal
        • 4.9% (3256) of those 65159 bugs are/were minor
        • 2.2% (1401) of those 65159 bugs are/were trivial
        • 7.1% (4609) of those 65159 bugs are/were enhancment
    2. Re:Severity by DeadSea · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually another 10,224 of those 65,159 were marked as INVALID which I believe is another way of saying "not a bug". So take those stats down a bit more.

  17. Re:Only 200,000? by DrXym · · Score: 5, Informative
    Erm, it doesn't have 200,000 bugs right now, that is for its entire lifetime, for the last 3 years. If you want to see how many there are now, open http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/reports.cgi (not via Slashdot) and find out. I will save you the trouble and tell you there are 28992 open bugs. Compare that the IE / Windows figures - oops you can't because they are hidden. Who knows what bugs are in your operating system?


    That figure represents all feature work, enhancements, dupes, metabugs, Chimera, CCK. Mozilla.org, Bugzilla (bugs about Bugzilla), internationalization, platform specific, mail/news, browser, embedding, chrome, documentation and actual bugs in existence. The number of genuine bugs of any importance in the browser is likely to be a small fraction of the total.

  18. Feature Requests are counted by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Amongst these 200000 bugs are feature requests, duplicates, bugs that aren't really bugs and platform specific issues. What percentage this is of the whole I am not sure, but it would certainly go to reducing the total number.

    What would be of interest is how this tallies to any other product where the general public could submit straight to the bug database, rather than going through front-line, second-line and then third-line support.

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  19. I'm running this competition... by Gerv · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...and at about 12.30pm GMT, my inbox was suddenly deluged with entries. Even without looking, I knew why that would be... :-)

    Gerv

  20. Please don't spam the database by Gerv · · Score: 5, Informative

    Given some of the above comments, this needs saying. This is a fun contest, and the prize is small. Anyone who tries to spam the database in any way will only mean that we can't have this fun any more. So please don't. And it won't work anyway, because we'll notice and stop you.

    If you have an automatic bug creation script, please point it at Landfill, the Bugzilla test installation, which needs all the test bugs it can get :-)

    Gerv

  21. Re:The most annoying being... by cjpez · · Score: 3, Informative
    Someone else in this thread recommended using arts. Ugh, don't . . . An AC suggested upgrading to the 6.0beta version of Flash; that'll fix the problem right up for you. In case you hadn't heard, the problem was entirely within the Flash plugin. The method they were using to open /dev/dsp forced it to block until it got exclusive access to your soundcard, which means that you'd have to actually STOP xmms or whatever was using your soundcard. It's a really, really, really simple fix, and the code for it was even posted in the Bugzilla bug (search around for it) and sent in to Macromedia, but obviously nobody at Macromedia got around to fixing the thing. Let's hear it for closed-source applications!

    It was a really simple fix, too. All you had to do was add a flag to the open() commmand. Macromedia wasn't exactly ignoring the product, either. Since the bug was reported to them (with solution, remember), they've had two or three minor releases of that line of Flash plugin, and nobody there bothered to fix that one line of code. Highly frustrating. One of the more recent posts on the Bugzilla bug was from someone at Macromedia, though, apologizing for how long it's taken, and the 6.0beta does fix the problem.

    Anyway, that's more than you probably ever wanted to know about the thing. The only way Mozilla itself could have fixed this was to make all plugins threaded, so if the thread hangs nobody cares, but that's a lot of work that nobody felt like doing. Oh, and people were originally thinking they could just do a binary-patch to the flash plugin, but evidentally the extra flag to open() increases the bytecount of the command by one, which makes doing so rather impossible . . .

  22. Re:Brilliant pre-emptive strike, guys! by ceejayoz · · Score: 3, Funny

    Considering that Mozilla 1.1 is out and Mozilla 1.2 beta is out, you might as well complain about bugs in IE 1.0 while you're at it.

  23. Re:Speaking of bugs... by Tet · · Score: 3, Informative
    Chimera 0.6 (released yesterday), a stable Cocoa-based Mac OS X browser also based on Gecko rendering

    I'm still stunned that someone was brainless enough to name this Chimera. Surely even the most basic of Google checks would have found that there's already another web browser called Chimera. I used to use it many years ago on machines for which Netscape was too bloated.

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  24. aol v. mozilla cds. by MadLibs · · Score: 3, Funny
    The prize is a Mozilla 1.0 CD that might actually be worth something one day

    greeeeeeaaaat. so that one cd can hang around with my 200,000 AOL cds i have floating around.....