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Browse All You Want At Work

choka writes "I came across a new Mozilla deriative known as Ghostzilla. It has the ability to open and hide the browser within most applications with simple mouse gestures, ensuring no one will discover what por^H^H^Hsites you visit in office ;) (i.e., if your sysadmins don't check the proxy logs...)"

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  1. Great! by FortKnox · · Score: 5, Funny

    Congrats! Now Mozilla will be on that hot list of stuff not able to download and use at the office!

    GOOD THINKING!

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    1. Re:Great! by Xaoswolf · · Score: 5, Funny
      It's too late, the slashdot effect has excorcized this ghost.

      All we need now is a short woman to say, "This network is clean."

  2. Great, but by endeitzslash · · Score: 3, Funny

    where can I hide my Cheryl Tiegs poster?

    1. Re:Great, but by dousette · · Score: 5, Funny

      How about in the trunk of your Delorian so you can send it back to 1985 where it belongs? :^)

  3. Devious by trevinofunk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is one of the most devious things I've seen in a while! I love it!!. It reminds me of old shareware PC games, where you could hit the F9 key to escape to a DOS shell, so you wouln't get caught at work. Hugo's House of Horrors anyone?

    1. Re:Devious by idfrsr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      IIRC I think that chessmaster 1000 also had this feature that brought a dummy financial statement on F9

      useful to say the least. The big stuff makes good software but its the little things that make a program great.

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    2. Re:Devious by Per+Wigren · · Score: 5, Informative

      I forget the game, but I remember one where you would hit the f9 key (the docs called it the 'Boss Key') and a spreadsheet and a graph would come up on screen.

      It was the Leisure Suit Larry series. Maybe other Sierra-games also..

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    3. Re:Devious by Punk+Walrus · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Click and Clack, the old Tappit brothers who host Car Talk on NPR was one of the first truly interactive web sites out there for a PBS show. Ever since the beginning, they have had a "Boss" button to click so it would load your browser with something official and work-looking. Of course, any detailed look at these "work-looking" documents shows a bit of humor, like ratio of donuts eaten per producer per show, graphs showing increase in mailbombs sent to the office, and the precent of NPR listeners who wish they'd never heard of their show.

      I always thought Slashdot should have a boss button.

      [ Boss Button]

    4. Re:Devious by Dephex+Twin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      On my Mac I remember there were programs that would take you to a fake Excel-looking spreadsheet or to some screen of "loading data" with different progress bars and whatnot. Can't remember which games these were though.

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    5. Re:Devious by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I always wondered what would be more suspicious,
      a game like rogue, or a dos prompt?

      There was one such game that had a boss mode which looked exactly like lotus 1-2-3 r2.2

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    6. Re:Devious by Dave2+Wickham · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hehehe... I remember Space Quest III. You would press the boss key and have something like this popup:

      "So you don't want your boss to know you've been
      playing Space Quest III for X minutes?

      Tough!"

      Well, I was about 5 when I played it, so forgive me for not remembering :P.

    7. Re:Devious by Arcturax · · Score: 5, Funny

      All well and good so long as you are a beancounter. But it looks rather suspicious if you are a coder. After all no coder worth his salt could stay awake in front of a sheet of financials.

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    8. Re:Devious by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      " It reminds me of old shareware PC games, where you could hit the F9 key to escape to a DOS shell, so you wouln't get caught at work..."

      One of the Sierra games (Uhh.. I think it was Leisure Suit Larry 3, but don't quote me on that) had a boss mode that'd throw up a fake spreadsheet and pie-chart. That was cool until you tried to get out of it, only to be met with a message that says "no, you should be working now." Heh you had to quit the game and reload it.

  4. This will work great... by LordHunter317 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Until some idiot accidently embeds the wrong figure within his PowerPoint presentation.

    At the board meeting:
    "As you can see in this full-page figure..."

    "Well, something about that figure is certainly full..."

  5. Damn, I need that one. by Railroader · · Score: 5, Funny

    as I sit here at work on a Friday afternoon reading slashdot.

    1. Re:Damn, I need that one. by vsprintf · · Score: 5, Funny

      as I sit here at work on a Friday afternoon reading slashdot.

      You say that like it's a bad thing. Remember, this is "News for Nerds". You're just staying abreast of the latest technological happenings. Hmm . . . probably shouldn't use abreast in a post here . . . You're just trying get on top of things . . . oh, screw it.

  6. Uhh... by Vaulter · · Score: 5, Funny


    But what if your hands aren't on your mouse?

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    1. Re:Uhh... by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then odds are that no hand gesture in the world is going to save your job.

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    2. Re:Uhh... by Xaoswolf · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know, it just depends on who your boss is, and whether or not he/she has any positions that needed filled...

    3. Re:Uhh... by akiy · · Score: 5, Funny
      Then odds are that no hand gesture in the world is going to save your job.

      You're obviously not a Jedi.

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    4. Re:Uhh... by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny

      I dont think even Obi' could pull off "this is not the pantsless geek you're looking for"

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    5. Re:Uhh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're obviously a virgin.

    6. Re:Uhh... by Da+Masta · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well the idea is to keep one hand on the mouse and the other on your, um, joystick.

      Of course, the problem comes when you remember to use one gesture, and forget to stop using the other one.

      To say the least, it'll be tough explaining to your boss why you're masturbating to an Excel chart. ;-)

  7. links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thats why I use links. Perfect for viewing websites that you shouldn't be, with the added bonus that if you run it remotely through an ssh connection, the sysadmins *CAN'T* look up your history in the proxie logs.

    1. Re:links by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Text-based browsing is the way to go for "clandestine" browsing sessions. Especially if your job consists of programming anyway, from a distance it all looks the same.

      Even better, if you're a web developer, just browse in source form, then nobody at all will be able to tell you're slacking off instead of working on the new internet site.

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    2. Re:links by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 5, Informative
      if you run it remotely through an ssh connection, the sysadmins *CAN'T* look up your history in the proxie logs.
      Ah, but that's where ngrep comes in! :^)
    3. Re:links by LordHunter317 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just run an SSH server on port 23 instead of port 22. That's what I do. Try the -p option.

    4. Re:links by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 5, Informative
      Wouldn't a better solution just be to log into your ADSL machine at home, and run mozilla over an X session?

      Even better, use the -D option on newer versions of OpenSSH to do dynamic port forwarding. Then point Mozilla or Netscape's SOCKS4 proxy to the port you specify. For example: ssh -D 1080 remotehost.com -l blah Then just point mozilla to a socks4 port of 1080 on localhost. Everything you browse will then be proxied over your SSH connection and appear to come from your ADSL host to remote sites. Works pretty well in my experience without the hassle and overhead of setting up a squid proxy or running a full X application on a remote host.

    5. Re:links by Publicus · · Score: 4, Funny

      A firewall that passes telnet and not ssh? That's absolutely moronic! That's like defending against an foreigh threat to the United States by stripping Americans' of all their civil liberties!

      You know, really moronic!!!

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    6. Re:links by msfodder · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well if I'm a competent sysadmin I know exactly what traffic is going where, when and how. If you attempt to use external dns I redirect it, if you attempt to connect to ssh I block it,if you hit port 80, it goes to the proxy,etc.. You have a client and I have the power. If you want to play I'll route you into a hole and wait for you to complain so I can show you the logs. If you get really stupid I'll have your job and a pat on the back. Don't fuck with sysadmins.

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    7. Re:links by Zebbers · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't fuck with sysadmins.

      We all know thats the last thing you sysadmins need to worry about....you won't be getting fucked anytime soon.

  8. Quite apropos by MrEd · · Score: 4, Funny
    Something about their web server seems pretty 'ghostly' right now.

    ..... hey, somebody had to say it...

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  9. The Difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    if your sysadmins don't check the proxy logs

    There is a distinct difference in a sysadmin who checks the log and rats you out, and a sysadmin who checks the log and gives you a few tips on a really good asian schoolgirl site. :)

    1. Re:The Difference by Cervantes · · Score: 5, Funny
      As a former and future sysadmin, I take offence at that!

      Everyone knows that good sysadmins check the proxy logs to find the really good asian schoolgirl sites!

      (along with passwords. Thanks, Microsoft Autocomplete!)

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    2. Re:The Difference by Mandi+Walls · · Score: 3, Funny
      that is so true.

      i recommend grepping for the IP of an Anime-addicted graphics artist's machine in the logs...

      cause, ah, he needs to have web access so he can get, ah, ideas...and, ah, source images! yeah! that's it!

  10. What platform? by updog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What platform does this run on... the screenshots show only Windows. Is there a Linux version? The download link doesn't allow you to specify the platform...

    1. Re:What platform? by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


      the screenshots show only Windows. Is there a Linux version?

      Of course not, only Windows-lamers look at pr0n. Open source granola crunchers can get laid for real. :)

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    2. Re:What platform? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      (Score:-1, You Wish)

  11. I dunno... by Hayzeus · · Score: 5, Informative
    If they're serious, they're going to be checking logs. If they're REALLY serious, they'll check your machine periodically for unapproved software.

    I've worked plenty of places where IS and IS only were allowed to install ANY software. Even though most of us were developers with years of experience, unauthorized installation of anything was potentially grounds for termination.

    1. Re:I dunno... by truesaer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've worked plenty of places where IS and IS only were allowed to install ANY software. Even though most of us were developers with years of experience, unauthorized installation of anything was potentially grounds for termination.

      I hate that crap. My last job was like that, and productivity was very poor. You have to move fast, and delaying for a week to get IS to approve and install some kind of utility or program you need is rediculous. Those companies deserve what they get, which is probably bankruptcy.

    2. Re:I dunno... by elvum · · Score: 3, Interesting

      http://www.javassh.org may be of interest them (assuming you can persuade an IS representative to install the J2SE 1.4 RTE with Java WebStart...)

  12. Expand this concept. by cybermace5 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Include a custom peripheral, like Steel Battalion does.

    This peripheral would convert any office chair into an ejection seat, for those times when you absolutely positively cannot get out of admitting you were surfing the web, instead of working.

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  13. porn does it again.... by nebenfun · · Score: 5, Funny

    yet more proof that porn drives innovation....

    what is the saying? "necessity is the mother of invention"
    it should read
    "horniness is the mother of all invention"

    *crosses fingers* porn industry don't let me down...
    daddy wants a holodeck
    nbfn

    1. Re:porn does it again.... by Tadghe · · Score: 3, Funny


      > "horniness is the mother of all invention"

      Um close but I think it might be closer to ...
      "Horniness is the mother of all"

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  14. Slashdotted...Download size 9.27 MB by jukal · · Score: 5, Informative
    As the site is already suffering, the download size is over 9 MB and there is not much other information on the site than this...

    Ghostzilla is a browser for surfing the Web when you don't want anyone to physically see what you are doing. It renders Web pages to look indistinguishable from your work screen. You make it disappear instantly with one move of your hand and bring it back with another. Ghostzilla can show Web pages discreetly within literally any application you work with.

    and the screen shots.... I'd believe everyone would be better of if you waited atleast some 30 minutes before hitting that download button. Why?

    ** Here is an analysis of the Slashdot Effect.

  15. Oh baby. . . by polyphemus-blinder · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow, this is great! That's because the office is, of course, the best place in the world to oggle porn. Yeah.

    So now instead of seeing the embarrassing sites you're visiting, your boss will only notice more frequent hand...er...mouse gestures.

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  16. Then again... by dze · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If you somehow get *caught* using this, you're gonna be in huge trouble cause it's obvious that you've gone to some length to conceal your activity. I'd think that looks worse than being "caught" visiting cnn or slashdot every so often.

    And at my work, like most other workplaces no doubt, they check the proxy logs anyways, so it wouldn't be much of a gain. It would be very easy to write a little script to go through and identify the "top" web surfers and to see who's surfing sites with pr0n-related terms, or anonymizing sites.

    <hypocrite>Anyway, you should do your web surfing from home!</hypocrite>

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  17. Normal Mozilla works too.... by reaper20 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since most of these work spyware programs search for IE specific history, you're still pretty "safe" using normal Mozilla.

    Even the humans do this, seems to me like most of the tech support guys searching for 'inappropriate' material are looking in the IE history anyways.

  18. Off topic but I don't care by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why is slashdotting a site so hilarious to you fools? Every time a story is posted there are a dozen idiots that get modded up to +5 funny just saying "oh gee, look, their site's down"

    1) There's nothing fun about being the admin of that box
    2) The fact that all these sheep are blindly clicking on the link is sad and pathetic
    3) It's just not humorous.

    1. Re:Off topic but I don't care by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Baaaahhh, Baahhhh, *ClickClickClick* Baaahhh, Baahhhhhhh, *Click*ClickClickClick*ClickClick*

    2. Re:Off topic but I don't care by vsprintf · · Score: 5, Funny

      2) The fact that all these sheep are blindly clicking on the link is sad and pathetic

      Finally! An advocate for the slashdot ethic: Do not read the linked articles, especially if you intend to post a comment. It might change your assumptions or something. :)

    3. Re:Off topic but I don't care by liquidsin · · Score: 3, Funny

      4) ???
      5) Profit!

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    4. Re:Off topic but I don't care by nutbar · · Score: 4, Funny

      I take extreme offense at that, I am a New Zealander and my girlfriend does not slashdot sites.

  19. Re:Simple mouse Gesture by krog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Speaking further of mouse gestures, moving your pointer all the way left, then all the way right, then all the way left again is a poor choice of gesture. It takes way too long to be useful, esp. if you're using a trackpad. Perhaps a R-L-R-L mouse button combination, or even just a keystroke would be a better choice.

  20. Hrmmm... by Violet+Null · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've had this for awhile. I call it "Alt-Tab"

  21. Mac users have it easy by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Informative
    In OS X you can hit CMD(Apple) H, which 'hides' most apps. Have a doc open in the back and you're all good. For added 'security', have another browser (IE) in the dock for when the boss wants you to look something up, or show you something.

    Now I can read /. all damn day! NOOO000ooooo....

    1. Re:Mac users have it easy by RaboKrabekian · · Score: 5, Informative

      In windows you can just hit the windows key-D and all of your applications will be minimized. There are actually a lof functions that you can peform with the windows key - it's not just to bring up the start menu.

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  22. Re:Hmm... by cornice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did you read anything from the site? It does a little more than add mouse gestures. It puts a black and white web browser window on top of any application (framed in current application) without any borders, buttons, etc. It's certainly not invisible but someone could easily walk by your desk and think you're not browsing the web. All the mouse gesture does is eliminate the browser portion of the screen allowing the original app to shine through. Since human vision is so tuned toward movement this method of hiding draws far less attention than your plain old mouse gesture.

  23. I think I'm safe at work... by unicorn · · Score: 4, Funny

    One of the VP's here complains about getting too much porn spam at his work address. Not because he's opposed necessarily, just because it's all straight, and he's definitely NOT. I browsed his bookmarks accidentally when I was messing with Outlook for him. He's got quite the collection of favorites.

    And apparently at the company staff only Xmas party a year before I started, he was tanked enough to scream "holy shit, she's got tits" about one of the interns that had only been around a few months.

    I love my job. However, I think our HR manager hates hers.

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  24. Any resolution??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Screen resolution in the pictures here is 800x600, but Ghostzilla works with literally any resolution and any size and position of any application window."

    C'mon, they can't be serious! A program that runs in any resolution? That would totally rock. ;)

  25. Re:Simple mouse Gesture by mhesseltine · · Score: 5, Funny

    How about up-down-up-down-left-right-left-right-B-A?

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  26. Linux efficiency by TheFlu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I run WindowMaker on Linux and I hot-key the switch workspace command to ALT-1 (next workspace) and ALT-2 (previous workspace). It's extremely efficient to simply leave terminal windows and applications maximized in their own workspace and just hop between the screens when you need to switch to a different app. It's like tabbed browsing, once you get used to it, it's hard to go back to the old way.

  27. More porn-related addons for Mozilla by jesser · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pornzilla Modifications - stealth profiles, image zoom, view (but don't download) all linked images, go to next/previous thumbnail gallery or image.

    Leech - download all links from a page that have an extension in your list of extensions to download. The author didn't figure out how to send referrers with the requests, which is annoying because many porn sites require a correct referrer header, but there are several workarounds included with Leech.

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  28. Re:encrypted proxy by fawadhalim · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sure. Set up squid on your home box, and do

    ssh -L 3128:localhost:3128

    set localhost:3128 as your proxy address.

  29. encrypting images by u19925 · · Score: 3, Funny

    yeah, and i have a even more smarter browser. it encrypts all displayed images, so no one knows that the image on the screen is p0xxxrn.

  30. Re:Source? by flippet · · Score: 3, Informative
    The licence page says the source is available at http://www.ghostzilla.com/source/. At the moment I'll have to take their word for it, it's thinkin'...

    Phil, just me

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  31. Re:Source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can someone take a look at what's inside that .EXE for me?

    Sure, man!

    Hmm ... let's see ... It starts with alot of binary numbers, anyway.
    Ok ... more binary numbers here. Binary, binary, binary ... Ooops! The file ended there!

    Yeah, binary all the way.

  32. So the mouse gesture just hides the browser window by Chef_TM · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... instead of closing it? That aint that useful u know. I can envision many situations when it could make things much worse.

    Back in the day when I blindly opened executable file attachments without thinking, (Hey I was a kid, I didn't know about viruses and network security. I thought MS-DOS was an original, fully functioning operating system!!) I used to get lots of those comical programs designed to embarass you while at your desk. You know, the ones that opened up a porn pic of a man playing with himself, that u just couldn't close. Well one such time I received the goatse.cx picture via this method. I went to kill the process. It died. Phew, lucky escape. Little did I realise, that it had spawned a child process. Suddenly I had loads of little windows with scaled down goatse.cx pictures. So I turned off the screen. To my (and the rest of the JAM PACKED computer lab's) horror, a mans voice singing. "GIMME SOME ANAL LOVING" blared over the speakers....

    So basically no amount of hand waving will save your job, if your boss looks at a computer screen full of windows containing work relevant source code, while he hears the moans of a hentai anime school girl being pleasured by a giant robot.

    Not that I have ever.. er.... seen such... errrr... material like that errr... ever. No really. I haven't.

    I hate this forum. It makes me sig as a dog

  33. ssh by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, ssh with the right switch can be a SOCKS proxy all by itself; no squid required.

    'Course my /. threshold is high. Maybe someone already pointed that out.

  34. Re:Hmm... by Flakeloaf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did you read anything from the site?

    Hell no! If I had actually READ the article, there's no way I could've gotten that smartass comment in in time.

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  35. Re:Simple mouse Gesture by glenstar · · Score: 4, Funny

    It is certainly a good thing that they used mouse gestures instead of an emacs interface: C-x C-g C-t C-c ....

  36. Thanks Slashdot by CanadaDave · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Great, now thanks to Slashdot every boss knows of Ghostzilla's existence. Although what boss would have the nerve to suspect an employee of using Ghostzilla, and ask him or her to press CTRL-ALT-DEL in Windows to prove it. Is there also a "KILL" mouse gesture? I mean a way to kill Ghostzilla from memory so that there is no evidence? Thanks.

  37. True Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Years ago, I was running a firewall for my company(this was back when firewalls were "BRAND NEW" and "MYSTERIOUS".

    Anyway, at the same time, my wife was working for a company for a real asshole boss.

    Keep reading, this gets better.

    Anyway, she ended up quitting a long-time job because she couldn't stand her asshole boss.

    Well, after she left, that company pretty much went down the toilet and he was looking for a job. It turned out he got a job with my company.

    I think you can see where this is going.

    We only kept aggregate logs; the security guy and I had the unwritten rule on porn...once or twice was an accident, more than that was surfing for porn.

    Well, one day, we noticed a lot of hits to some site that sounded "porn-ish" if you know what I mean.

    I checked the site, and sure enough it was porn. Not only that, but it was men on boy gay sex. Hoo-boy.

    We checked back on the IP address...you guessed it, her old boss was surfing gay kiddie porn at work.

    Got his sorry ass fired within 8 hours. My wife to this day will forgive me almost anything when she remembers getting her old asshole boss fired for gay kiddie porn.

    Seriously, this only happens in sitcoms, but this time it happened in real life.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

  38. Re: Slashdot at work by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hey, I'm totally with you -- but not everyone works for an "enlightened" boss (or bosses above your direct boss!). At my last job, I read Slashdot daily. (On slower days, at least once a morning and again in the afternoon.) I really considered it relevant and work-related too. I mean, sure, I skipped anything that was just a movie review or talk of a new arcade game....

    But I was always the first to have knowledge of new updates and fixes for new security risks, as well as good suggestions for the occasional software for a special niche need.

    Unfortunately, I also took a lot of flack from the "higher-ups" for my appearance of "doing nothing constructive" when people from other departments walked by and saw me "web surfing". I had to justify my usage time and time again, and it seemed like each time only quieted them down for a few weeks at the most.

    Eventually, I ended up losing that job. Can't really say it was over reading Slashdot, but I have the sneaky suspicion it didn't help matters any. Given a similar situation at a new job, would I do it all over again though? Yeah, absolutely. The net's biggest problem is a lack of quality sites that cull through the really interesting and relevant news, and put it in one place. Sure, you can go read ZD stuff and get the "party line" opinions on everything - but beyond that, there's Ars Technica, Slashdot, and a handful of respectable sites for hardware benchmarks and reviews. Other than that, though, what do you have? Would a company think it's a better use of time and money to buy those multi-hundred dollar a year "Dr. Dobbs Journal" subscriptions and have you read those??