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Idaho Gets Serious About Broadband
prostoalex writes "In an effort to boost the economy state of Idaho legislated tax credit for companies, who were investing in broadband Internet infrastructure. According to the latest news, the plan worked quite well, and about 150 thousand people can soon take advantage of tax-sponsored buildout. Speaking of wiring rural areas with cheap Internet access, there was an article in NY Times ($free_registration_quote), where Bill Gates admitted that in many cases building Internet in the rural area just speeded up the exodus of farmers, who were able to find a job somewhere else."
I don't see how broadband would boost the economy, except for creating (likely not too many) jobs in the broadband sector. Almost all the advantages of broadband are related to entertainment anyway... Unless you are downloading lots of videos or playing games (not stuff that helps the economy) a standard ISDN line is fine for internet access.
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"In an effort to boost the economy, the state of Idaho legislated tax credit for companies investing in broadband Internet infrastructure."
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Bill Gates Views What He's Sown in LibrariesBy TIMOTHY EGAN
OLFAX, Wash. -- Bill Gates predicted in 1995 that the Internet would help rural people stay put, in part because they would have the same advantages as city slickers in the virtual world.
He made that prophecy in "The Road Ahead," a book whose jacket showed Mr. Gates standing in the middle of an empty highway in remote eastern Washington.
But when Mr. Gates, the richest man in the world, returned recently to the land of no stoplights as part of the last phase of a five-year philanthropic effort to put computers in every poor library district in the United States, he acknowledged that the road ahead was full of blind curves.
There is scant evidence, for example, that the wiring of rural America has done anything to make Mr. Gates's prediction about population flight come true. The new computers may even be aiding the exodus from rural America, as people go online to find jobs far away.
"I thought digital technology would eventually reverse urbanization, and so far that hasn't happened," Mr. Gates said, munching on a cheeseburger and fries at the Top Notch Cafe in Colfax, population 2,880. Among the bib overall set at lunch, he was largely unrecognized.
"But people always overestimate how much will change in the next three years," Mr. Gates said, "and they underestimate how much will change over the next 10 years."
He could well apply that maxim to himself. Three years ago, when stock in Microsoft, the company Mr. Gates co-founded, hit an all-time high of $119 a share, Mr. Gates was worth nearly $75 billion in Microsoft holdings alone.
Now, he is about $40 billion lighter, on paper, but he shrugs it off. "My value is still so much higher than I ever expected it to be by a factor of about 50," Mr. Gates said. "So the fact that at one point it was say, a factor of 60, well -- that wealth is all going back to society anyway."
The charitable group that Mr. Gates started with his wife, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, is now giving away $1.2 billion a year. Mr. Gates said he was pleased that its first major philanthropic effort, the library project, had helped to narrow the digital divide. More than 95 percent of public libraries now offer free Internet access, including those here in Whitman County, which mainly serve wheat farmers and received $93,000 from the Gates Foundation.
Inside the Seattle headquarters of the foundation, a giant map shows the progress of the campaign to give computers to libraries in every state. The campaign started with the poorest regions, mainly in the South and Great Plains, though distressed urban areas are included, too. But if superimposed over a map of population decline, it would show that many of these areas are not holding onto people, no matter how wired they become.
"They come into the library, and they may use the computer to get a job and leave," said Kristie Kirkpatrick, who is in charge of a library district in Colfax.
This land of rolling wheat fields has lost 10 percent of its population in the last two years alone, Ms. Kirkpatrick said. But she said the new computers had also changed many people's lives for the better, giving them more access to medical and agricultural information.
The foundation has fared much better than Mr. Gates's personal fortune. Other philanthropies, notably those started by David and Lucile Packard and by Ted Turner, have seen their assets shrink considerably with the stock market collapse. By contrast, the Gates Foundation has grown, and now has assets of $24 billion -- far more than any single philanthropy in the country. The foundation weathered the storm, Mr. Gates said, because less than 2 percent of its money is invested in stocks, though Mr. Gates said that could rise to 25 percent over the next four years, as it pursues bargains in the market.
"They are the only major foundation that is still doing great," said Stacy Palmer, editor of the Chronicle of Philanthropy.
Mr. Gates used to think he would wait until he was in his 60's to give his money away. At 47, Mr. Gates has handed out $5.5 billion for global health issues, education and the library project, which is the first major initiative at the foundation to essentially run its course.
"The more I learned, the more I realized there is no time," he said in a recent speech to the United Nations.
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Critics say Mr. Gates has raised his philanthropic profile at the same time his company has been battling court rulings that found Microsoft to be a monopoly that violated the law in trying to dominate the personal computer market. Even giving 40,000 computers to libraries is seen by some as simply an effort to create a bigger customer base for Microsoft products.
Patty Stonesifer, the president of the foundation, who started at Microsoft more than 15 years ago, says Mr. Gates was committed to putting computers in every library well before he was labeled a monopolist, and would be committed to it long afterward.
"He said, `History will get this right,' " Ms. Stonesifer recalled, referring to Mr. Gates's belief that the Internet can have a democratizing effect.
But whether history will show that bringing the digital world to places like Parrotsville, Tenn. (population, 127) or villages in the heart of American Indian Country had the effect that Mr. Gates intended is an open question.
Miriam Tarlton, 77, lives alone in a cabin 14 miles from the nearest town in the mountains of northwest Montana. She discovered the Internet at her library in the town of Eureka not long ago, after the Gates Foundation donated a computer and software.
"Oh, my gosh, it was like going on a ship to Mars," said Ms. Tarlton, who now uses the Web to find recipes, garden information, quilt sites and to keep up an e-mail correspondence with family members.
Andrew C. Gordon, hired by the foundation to evaluate the library project, labeled it a "a success, but not an unqualified one." In his surveys of libraries where the computers were installed, Mr. Gordon found that library use went up and usually not at the expense of books. He also found that most people who used the donated computers were poor, in the income bracket where the digital divide has been greatest.
But the No. 1 thing that people used the computers for was to keep in touch with family and friends through e-mail, Mr. Gordon said. He also found that 22 percent of new computer users in the libraries said they helped them find jobs; whether those jobs were in a different location was never tracked.
Staff members of the foundation answer questions and provide support to librarians, but that will be phased out in the next two years. The biggest question about the project is whether it will sustain itself once the Gates people walk away, after spending about $250 million on the project.
Mr. Gates seems ready to check the library project off his to-do list. His model was Andrew Carnegie, who left hundreds of sturdy libraries standing in small towns as part of his philanthropic legacy.
"You know, Carnegie was a pretty hard-core guy," he said, leaving Main Street here, where the biggest digital sign displays the price for wheat: $4.80 a bushel. "I'd be happy if I could think that the role of the library was sustained and even enhanced in the age of the computer."
Bill Gates Views What He's Sown in Libraries
By TIMOTHY EGAN
OLFAX, Wash. -- Bill Gates predicted in 1995 that the Internet would help rural people stay put, in part because they would have the same advantages as city slickers in the virtual world.
He made that prophecy in "The Road Ahead," a book whose jacket showed Mr. Gates standing in the middle of an empty highway in remote eastern Washington.
But when Mr. Gates, the richest man in the world, returned recently to the land of no stoplights as part of the last phase of a five-year philanthropic effort to put computers in every poor library district in the United States, he acknowledged that the road ahead was full of blind curves.
There is scant evidence, for example, that the wiring of rural America has done anything to make Mr. Gates's prediction about population flight come true. The new computers may even be aiding the exodus from rural America, as people go online to find jobs far away.
"I thought digital technology would eventually reverse urbanization, and so far that hasn't happened," Mr. Gates said, munching on a cheeseburger and fries at the Top Notch Cafe in Colfax, population 2,880. Among the bib overall set at lunch, he was largely unrecognized.
"But people always overestimate how much will change in the next three years," Mr. Gates said, "and they underestimate how much will change over the next 10 years."
He could well apply that maxim to himself. Three years ago, when stock in Microsoft, the company Mr. Gates co-founded, hit an all-time high of $119 a share, Mr. Gates was worth nearly $75 billion in Microsoft holdings alone.
Now, he is about $40 billion lighter, on paper, but he shrugs it off. "My value is still so much higher than I ever expected it to be by a factor of about 50," Mr. Gates said. "So the fact that at one point it was say, a factor of 60, well -- that wealth is all going back to society anyway."
The charitable group that Mr. Gates started with his wife, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, is now giving away $1.2 billion a year. Mr. Gates said he was pleased that its first major philanthropic effort, the library project, had helped to narrow the digital divide. More than 95 percent of public libraries now offer free Internet access, including those here in Whitman County, which mainly serve wheat farmers and received $93,000 from the Gates Foundation.
Inside the Seattle headquarters of the foundation, a giant map shows the progress of the campaign to give computers to libraries in every state. The campaign started with the poorest regions, mainly in the South and Great Plains, though distressed urban areas are included, too. But if superimposed over a map of population decline, it would show that many of these areas are not holding onto people, no matter how wired they become.
"They come into the library, and they may use the computer to get a job and leave," said Kristie Kirkpatrick, who is in charge of a library district in Colfax.
This land of rolling wheat fields has lost 10 percent of its population in the last two years alone, Ms. Kirkpatrick said. But she said the new computers had also changed many people's lives for the better, giving them more access to medical and agricultural information.
The foundation has fared much better than Mr. Gates's personal fortune. Other philanthropies, notably those started by David and Lucile Packard and by Ted Turner, have seen their assets shrink considerably with the stock market collapse. By contrast, the Gates Foundation has grown, and now has assets of $24 billion -- far more than any single philanthropy in the country. The foundation weathered the storm, Mr. Gates said, because less than 2 percent of its money is invested in stocks, though Mr. Gates said that could rise to 25 percent over the next four years, as it pursues bargains in the market.
"They are the only major foundation that is still doing great," said Stacy Palmer, editor of the Chronicle of Philanthropy.
Mr. Gates used to think he would wait until he was in his 60's to give his money away. At 47, Mr. Gates has handed out $5.5 billion for global health issues, education and the library project, which is the first major initiative at the foundation to essentially run its course.
"The more I learned, the more I realized there is no time," he said in a recent speech to the United Nations.
Bill Gates Views What He's Sown in Libraries
See we arent just redneck potato farmers anymore, we are edjumakated and inforamated redneck potatoe farmers who fix dells ( We have the national dell call center ).
-Brandon Jank
Resident of the great state of Idaho
Long live the potato!
( We make the best memory too )
PRINT "Signature line broken."
GOTO 1
Sounds like Korea, a bit
Not quite as nice. Many Koreans can get internet connections nearing or exceeding 100Mbit (!!!) for $15-$25/mo equivalent. The country has forum websites that are perfectly happy lettign you post multi-megabyte pictures because their gigabit and ten-gigabit (!!!) connections can hack it, and are dirt cheap.
Of course, when you consider the average pay of Korean citizens this suddenly doesn't seem quite so like an internet Mecca, but still...
Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. --E. W. Dijkstra
In an effort to create jobs and properity, the state of Idaho will reduce the tax burden of companies that buy routers and lay fiber in the process of connecting to the internet.
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"Eighty percent of the population in southern Idaho will have Internet broadband connectivity by year's end,"
SOUTHERN IDAHO!! This is typical of the State Legislature. We had a chance to do away with this last Tuesday, but noooo, Idaho has to vote 80% Republican every friggin year!!.
"150,000 people will benefit from this" Ya, that's about the population of the state capital, Boise. Don't let this fool you. This does nothing (it sounds like) for the towns of Moscow or Coeur d'Alene, a college town and suburb of Spokane, WA respectively, where we could definetly use tax benefits to corps up here. Spokane has about the poorest per capita in the country, but there is SOMEWHAT of a tech sector up here.
I've been here in Boise for about five years, and its not as rural state as some would belive. He have here as headquaters Micron Technologies, SCP Global, and a major division of HP. Besides that, plenty of jobs with call centers (Direct TV, Sears, MCI to name a few.) Get further away from the city, then broadband becomes a problem.
About anyone with Cableone can now have a cable modem (which I've waited four years for.) The major problem is with Quest. It has tken them forever to roll out broadband, and you could be in one house and have it, but the next door one can't.
The major point of the article was 80% in southern Idaho will have broadband. Southern Idaho is where the major highway connecting our major cities and down to Salt Lake City. It will be a Big Thing(TM) when I can get broadband in a cabin up in Crouch, ID.
Not everyone can get even dial-up. My grandparents live in the northwoods of wisconsin, near rhinelander, and were thinking of getting a computer for e-mail. They looked around and there aren't any ISPs up there. Any internet connection they made would have to be a long distance fone call, which would get very expensive, very quickly. Especially if my grandpa found out he could check weather updates every five minutes.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Should be, to distinguish between internets that do not connect to "the" Internet. But then again, a few years ago a lot of people for whom this distinction proved too subtle invented the equivalent term "intranet".
I'm an apostate midwesterner myself, and I'm always amazed at how ignorant the coasts seem to be about what life is like there. I've run into more bass ackwards rusty-monster-truck-with-ten-foot-high-flag driving dirtballs in self-proclaimed sophisticated New England than in all my years in the midwest. When I moved to Boston, I couldn't even get cable TV! Life in the fast lane means three hour a day commutes so you can live someplace affordable where your family won't get mugged. If you're lucky, you might even find a house that has grass and trees!
Cities suck.
I was amused to read Bill Gate's comments on computers and internet access halting the rural exodus by 1995. Having been born and raised on a large successful farm, I can tell you that yes, technology and computers are essential tools (even our tractors have computers in them that monitor and control every aspect of the engine and transmission, etc). But that's all they are. The tools need to be wielded better by farmers through education and better management.
There are several problems with farming in America that no broadband or computer is going to fix. (And thus the exodus will continue)
1. Farming is too innefficient. The days of small family farms under 640 acres are gone. You just can't do it any more. Sorry.
2. Farmers don't know how to manage their farms like a business. Even a family farm is a business.
3. Government subsidies eliminate incentives to improve these things and compete with the rest of the world. (Although Europe is the worst offender for subsidies.) Let's get rid of them.
4. Farmers are not diversivied enough. Thus my farm has gone from traditional wheat and grains to canola, peas, alfalfa, and flax. Also we use modern no-till techniques for increasing yeild without having to work the land. (stirring the soil can be counter-productive.)
My father has pioneered the use of computers in Agriculture as planning and managing tools (like a normal business, fancy that) since the IBM PC in 1981. The internet doesn't yet play a significant role in marketing, however, but it is a good tool for managing the books (online banking), researching and sharing ideas for innovation and so forth.
So things like rural broadband are nice, but if you don't fix the underlying problem, you'll soon have no rural population left and everybody will then wonder where their food is.
Michael
Background: I live in a high-tech world where a large portion of my career has been involved with technology, its advances and uses. I also live over 30 miles from the nearest city, my next door neighbor is a mile away (yes, I know my neighbors) and have to travel dirt roads for 20 minutes before I can find pavement.
I get dialup at 21kbps. On occasion, I get phone calls requesting me to come down and make some fix or change. I inform them that it will be a minimum of an hour for me to get there and the changes suddenly dont seem so urgent. With broadband, I could make those changes from home.
In the early part of the 20th century, it was realized that in order for the US to become the economic power that it is today it was necessary to bring the entire country along for the ride. Part of this was the Rural Electrification Project (mentioned in a few posts above). Pretty much, it ensured that electricity was available to all homes in the US. As we enter the first years of the 21st century, the same vision is true for data and the internet. We need a Rural Network Project.
One blaringly obvious example is the incredible number of CDs I have that include documentation, but only as a clickable link to the internet. Take a second and think about that. All this information available ONLY online. And with the tendency of everyone to move to brighter, shinier documents, increased bandwidth is required.
Or maybe we should consider it the other way. All computers used for web development and testing should have port 80 throttled to 48kbps maximum speed. Maybe then we wouldnt see all the Flash only sites. Oh, and while we're at it, all IT computers should probably be throttled to 48k also, just to help prove that code doesnt need to be bloated.
Just some rambling.
Kevin
It's even more important to have broadband in rural areas if any internet access at all is important. The reason is that phone lines generally suck once you get out of major population centers. No 56k connections out here -- 28k or 19.2k is more like it. And with the way web sites are built these days, that's totally unacceptable, as the web is almost useless at that speed. Plus, dialup POPs tend to be woefully inadequate and horribly overloaded, so you get kicked off all the time. It's like 1994 all over again. The scary thing is that much of the US is still like this.
> Add to that the fact that these places do NOT have a largely Mormon population.
Versus the population of Northern Idaho, which is filled with white supremisists and Mike Furman types. Moscow is probably the best town up there because it's a college town, and parts of Coeur d' Alene are ok. Anything north of that in Idaho (or south of Lewiston), are off-limits, unless 1). you're a Mormon in South Idaho, or you're a white supremisist in Northern Idaho.
FYI, I lived in Boise for one year, in Moscow for one year, and in Spokane for four years. I now live in San Francisco, and except for things being expensive, it's 100% better.