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Fewer Employees + Same Work = Higher Productivity

LiamRandall writes "Time magazine has an article discussing the effects that recent layoffs in corporate America has had on remaining workers. While I'm glad that I haven't been laid off (like 1/2 my group) I'm overloaded with all of my new responsibilities. On one hand I feel very fortunate to still have a job- I feel some what guilty complaining given that the computer industry is second in layoffs. While some former coworkers of mine got the axe because upper management didn't understand what their contributions to the company were, others were dead wood anyway. The Chinese symbol for crisis is danger + opportunity; in these turbulent times do you find yourself rising to the challenge or being overloaded with responsibility? Is your to-do list growing exponentially? What new work are you faced with and how are you dealing with it?"

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  1. Three rounds of layoffs at my job... by cliffiecee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    and we're still underworked. There's only 6 of us left, and in general six people got axed during each layoff round.


    I'd love to be overworked right now, instead of posting to slashdot...


    (No offense intended)

  2. Employees vs Shareholders by clickety6 · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Seems to be a vicious circle:

    Shareholders no longer want long term growth and stability, they want profits and dividends and they want them now! When they see dips, they panic and demand action.

    Companies see only one way to make short term gains - they "sell off" their easiest asset to drop - the employees.

    Employees levae, taking knowledge, expertise and experience with them. Remaining employees have greater stresses and workloads, so productivity drops, some leave, some gets sick.

    So profits drop, shareholders demand something be done NOW and so....

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    1. Re:Employees vs Shareholders by rjstanford · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Shareholders no longer want long term growth and stability, they want profits and dividends and they want them now! When they see dips, they panic and demand action.


      Who are these mythical "shareholders" of whom you speak? In reality, they're everyone who has a 401(k) or other investments. Its funny how many of the same people (not a personal remark against the original poster, just a general one) who complain about employee treatment are the first in the crowd to complain when companies don't meet profit expectations (for whatever reason) and scream for them to do "whatever it takes" to get the numbers back.

      Just a thought...
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  3. Re:Same Chinese symbol for crisis + opportunity by Sandman1971 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't it funny how almost everything in life can somehow be related to the Simpsons?

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  4. Pros/Cons by GeckoFood · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not too long after I got into a position with an employer, part of my teammates were let go, some of them with more experience than me. The biggest problem was that the people on my specific project that were let go were more knowledgable than the rest of us.

    The effects on the rest of us were dramatic, and not all of the effects were bad. We all had to rise to the challenge and figure out what the hell we had to do to make this thing go, without the benefit of the in house expertise (BTW, we were enhancing a product we authored in house). There were many, many nights where we were here late into the night, more than once past 2:00am just to figure out what was going on.

    In the end, we pulled it off and emerged successful on the project, and we were regarded almost as heroes in house. We are regarded as can-do people that can rise to a challenge, but the cost to get there was enormous. We all were worse for the wear.

    I have seen a trend when it comes to layoffs that is echoed in the experience I had -- for some oddball reason, it seems the management likes to trim the knowledge base at the wrong points. It stands to reason that, when letting go a very knowledgeable person, someone else must be trained up to fill the shoes of that person. This, in turn costs more money. Which is better, spending the money on a more expensive employee, and make the deadlines on time, or spend about as much to miss the deadline and train up someone new?

    Yes, yes, some deadwooding goes on too, but I have seen all to often the productive ones with a higher salary cut loose solely on the basis of immediate salary concerns. I would be interested to know if others have observed the same, or if it's just been a matter of where I have been at the time...

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  5. Overloaded by JSkills · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Well let's see. I was out of work at the end of 2001. It's a great feeling when you have a wife, 2 kids, and a mortagage. Fortunately, I was able to land a job after a month and a half with a fairly large company.

    I was brought in to architect and deploy an ecommerce system. Did I have a staff? No. Could I contract out any of the development? No. It was like this - here's ONE server (running NT I might add), now go build us a system.

    So I did. I wiped the machine clean, installed Linux, installed Perl and various libraries, Open SSL, mod_perl, Apache, and then compiled Apache with mod_perl and mod_ssl. I installed MySQL. I installed Tripwire and set up various accounts for people who needed to FTP graphics onto the machine.

    Based on the user specs (not written, but vervbally communicated), I designed the entire database schema, wrote all the code for a web-based administration tool, and wrote all the code to launch the ecommerce system for external customers.

    The system has been up and running for several months and bringing in over US $20K per day.

    Do you think the company's cutting costs? One server and one person who acts as business analyst, system architect, system adminstrator, DBA, and lead developer. Ya think?

    A more positive note: After close to a year, I've been granted additional resources (I was able to hire a junior developer) and additional servers. So maybe things are getting better???

  6. At our site ... by permaculture · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the University I work at we had a new management regime imposed on us. After some months we brought out a grievance against the worst of them, who was a horrible bully. Astonishingly, he was not sacked in disgrace. The entire systems team left one by one until there was no-one left (for an entire week, until replacements started arriving).

    Then, the network started going tits up. Things got so bad the management were relieved of their responsibilities. One of them has now left under a cloud, and the other won't last past Xmas. Some of the original systems team have returned. The network is steadily improving to pre-management change levels. We have been vindicated!

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  7. Outsourcing Blues by joel8x · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My IT department was outsourced to IBM about 6 months ago. While my direct team was not affected by layoffs, our call center and its staff were completely replaced and moved to a new location. Since then my workload has quadrupled (no exaggeration) due to their lack of proper support and knowledge, and our user base has grown significantly without adding new staff to my department (field support).

    I don't mind the extra work so much, but what really bothers me is the attitude of the customer and its affect on me. Users are pissed off that it takes more than a day for them to be seen as opposed to an hour or so, and they have a very negative attitude towards us now. This is a major problem in my eyes because I find it harder to wake up in the morning and feel motivated to work. I really dread what possible long term affects this may have if it continues like this.

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  8. I would hope it's obvious by AAAWalrus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems pretty obvious that that would be the case. Imagine 5 computer programmers, worked together through the dotcom bubble, with high-paying secured jobs. Life was good - not terribly swamped in work, maybe surfed the web a little too much on the job, but still managed to get work done. The programmers, being the introvert sort, never really speak up about how their jobs were important, that what they were doing really mattered to the company. No need to - they did their work and the company was doing well. They just assumed that other people understood that they were contributing.

    Then the bubble bursts, economy's hurting everyone, layoffs start at the big companies. Our 5 programmers aren't worried - their small company is still running strong.

    Suddenly two bad quarters in a row, sales are down, cashflow gets weak, and suddenly the company is worried about being able to write everyone's paychecks. 2 of our 5 programmers, who might have had 2 or 3 bad marks (previously thought of as "minor") on their performance reviews, get canned. Our 3 remaining programmers start thinking, "Oh crap! I could be next!" Suddenly there's a real push for productivity and visibility from our programmers. Not only were they doing %40 more work, but they now make sure everyone knows about it.

    Wouldn't you?

    Scary thing is, if a company can scare employees into working harder with laying off a few, seemingly overpaid pieces of "deadwood", it certainly make business sense.

    Hits a little too close to home for some readers out there, doesn't it?

    -AAAWalrus

  9. overhired then, focused now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    My company, like a lot of companies, actually overhired in 1999 and 2000, and we were trying to do a wide range of things to open new business. When the ax fell (about a 30% cut in headcount) I looked down the list of people leaving and I didnt have any idea what most of them even did (and I thought I knew everyone and every project).

    Now that we are a smaller company, we are more focused. There is too much work to do, but I feel that we are doing the highest priority things rather than flailing on so many projects.

  10. My Experience by Beatnick · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My company promoted some to VP status and then laid off several folks my level to compensate for their increase in pay. Our work level has tripled and our SLAs are really starting to show the strain. No one wants to bat for us when it comes to raises or discuss the killer schedules. I'm working every weekend until the end of January. My family doesn't understand but are coping. They state that I'm too valuable to lose but I cannot take much more of the load. There are some individuals here I would classify as friends but my loyalty in staying is really running thin lately. You wanted my 2 cents worth and experiences.

  11. Extra hats... by Dinosaur+Neil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was an "Automation Analyst" for a mainframe-based system a few years back, when upper management decided that they could "fix" all our IT problems by outsourcing the datacenter (our management was always 5-10 years behind on the business trend curve). When this was announced, almost a third of the datacenter staff bailed right away (the severence packages they offered were pretty insubstantial unless you were a lifer). Those that remained were interviewed by the outsourcing company and offered jobs or the option of waiting it out until the cut-off.

    My ex-boss (one of the first to bail) offered me a position at his new gig, and I negotiated what I thought was the best of both worlds; I would continue to work my old job until the cut-off, collect severance, then go and work for my ex-boss at a substantial increase in pay.

    It seemed like a good idea at the time.

    What followed was six months of hell. Because my background included a little bit of everything, instead of just doing my job for those six months, I did my job, I helped out in operations, I helped out tech support (including network, security, and some really nasty legacy systems), and when I wasn't otherwise occupied, I worked with the outsourcers explaining where the bodies were buried. I developed insomnia, a nervous twitch and grey hair (in my 30's!) by the time I and the rest of the hold-outs were finally laid off and the outsourcing company officially took over.

    On the plus side, it was a good kick in the metaphorical seat; because of that little trauma I finally got up off my duff and finished my BS and now I'm working on my masters.

    Though I do still take a little guilty pleasure when I hear from former coworkers about the stunningly bad job the outsourcing company has been doing...

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  12. Re:High Turnover Rates in the Near Future by buzzcutbuddha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Funny, last month my company was looking like it was going to go Tits Up and I started floating my resume. Within two weeks I had my pick of four offers. What downturn? What recession?

    For example, a quick peek at the Pittsburgh Tech Council Website shows that since 11/1/2002 there have been 104 IS jobs posted that are still open.

    Geekfinder shows 744 positions open in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, 434 in Maryland, 799 in Virginia, 936 in New Jersey, and 1322 in New York. So within 4 hours of here, I have over 4300 jobs to search through. Not to mention the local listings which don't make it to Dice.com, and even openings that never make it to the papers but you find out about through friends and contacts. If you can't find a job right now, you're just not looking hard enough. Nuff said. Have a dog biscuit and quite your bitching.

  13. layoff strategies by Lxy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One thing that really bothers me is that layoffs are done by upper management. Some guy with his tie constricting him in an office miles away decides that employee A isn't "company material" and axes him. Upper manager doesn't even know who employee A is. All the people working with employee A talk about what a mistake it was to lay him off. Those who should go stay, and those who should stay go. I propose bringing layoffs down to the employee level.

    Rather than making shots in the dark, why not use a survivor-style method of getting rid of people? Why not have tribal council once a week to vote someone off? That would give a person motivation to find themselves useful, otherwise those around the person would give the axe. Justice in its finest form, sounds good to me.

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  14. It's tough, I'm glad I like my job by Anthony+Boyd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, one of my employees and /. regular, Mr. eDrugtrader, could probably comment at a developer level, and we'll see if he gets up early enough to see this post and comment. But I know that from a management perspective, while we're fairly productive with what we do, we have also had to say "no" to a massive number of projects, including projects that came from the CEO or were marked "necessary." Everyone is frustrated -- our CEO has huge plans, but he doesn't have the staff to do it. Or at least, things are getting done at a snail's pace. One of my employees has a backlog of about 2 years of projects -- great for job security, but it can be frustrating and overwhelming. Here are some bits of the fallout:

    • Because resources are scarce, people get nasty in their efforts to trump eachother. If two projects are "urgent" and only one can get done, I have to deal with people running to the CEO and complaining, and often using seniority to force the issue ("I'm a VP, so screw all the Directors asking for your time").
    • Because projects are under scrutiny, there is little tolerance for side projects. I know that one of my employees hates the project he's on, and would love to squeeze in even a few 4-hour quick-fix fun projects, but the company counts hours too tightly now. I wish I could fix this, but when you have meeting after meeting to agree on the priorities, there is a point where you make your commitments and have to do what you agreed to do.
    • While we may be productive short-term, long-term people get frustrated. They get jealous if they see another group gets our time, and they get jealous if they see one group getting to hire a new employee while everyone else cuts back. The employees get tired of having their time micromanaged. Inefficiencies in scheduling and production are highlighted.
    • Finally, although my current job hasn't gotten nasty like this (whew!), I've had experiences at other companies where the overloaded employees who miss deadlines get blamed for EVERYTHING. I've been that employee. It is NOT fun, not good, and a sure sign that it's time to leave. For instance, I can almost guarantee that the employees at Actuate Software are feeling that pressure right now -- highly competitive company, with plently of people willing to scream and blame others like mad. Which only makes a tough situation worse.
  15. Re:In related productivity reports... by matrim99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I stated: "Whips + Threat of Impending Pain = Greater Productivity."

    How in the *heck* was my comment moderated as a *troll*? Sure, it was terse and sarcastic, but my point was completely on-target.

    I will "read between the lines" of my comment for anyone who saw a pointless troll in my comment.

    Productivity can very easily be increased by applying a threat of negative consequences for lack of productivity increases. "Work harder or I kill you" will usually acheive a productivity increase. Productivity gains by negative consequence threats are hardly news, yet the story linked above makes this sound like it *is* news.

    I have survived many layoff cycles, and have had the work of up to 5 "former" employees delegated to me. Did I do all of their work? Yup. At the cost of me working frantic 16 hour days for months on end, under the fear that if I didn't complete their work, I would be the next to be laid off. To report that my productivity increased while at the same time neglecting to list the true costs of my productivity increase (my personal life suffered so much that I quit, leaving all of my work to be done by several undertrained co-workers who soon quit after I did) is to tell only 1/2 the story, and makes a net loss situation sound like a net gain in terms of productivity.

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  16. Which one of my todo lists? by jalagl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, I have become very poli-functional in the last couple of years. In the company I used to work at, until about 6 months ago, I was a project manager, but also assumed the role of router/firewall admin, Solaris/Linux admin, programmer, some sort of IT helpdesk, etc. I usually worked way more that 8 hours a day with all those responsabilities.

    However, I didn't complain (well, probably a couple of times...). I really loved what I did, and loved the feeling of being highly productive and helpful.

    I do have a better paying job right now, and, even though I'm supposed to be more focused with a single responsability as project leader, I am already doing other things - do tests to evaluate potential employees, support sales, coordinate the internal soccer championship and weekend trips with the rest of the staff ("integration activities"), work on an internal magazine, etc.

    I just love the feeling of knowing I did a great job during the day and helped a lot of people. Also you become essential, so you feel you'll always have a job during these difficult times.

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  17. Re:Not here.. by fishbowl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Go look at how much post-doctorate researchers make, and you tell me how a $70K salary is justified."

    Um, I'm looking forward to the grad school existence. There's much more to it than salary. For one thing, the typical $30,000/year you'd be giving the university, is waived. For another thing, when you need the time to do academic work, take courses, field research, etc., there won't be a pinhead boss who fails to understand the importance of you doing all that "school stuff".

    All in all, it's not so bad making $40k as a postdoc, if you pick up all the perks. Especially in a recession, where you would not have a job anyway!

    There seems to be a widespread notion that school is some necessary evil, a stepping stone to something else. Rarely does anyone reflect to me the understanding that education is not something that one can ever "be done with."

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  18. Re:well.... by Stubby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm an onsite State contractor, and I've seen many of the same things.

    Except for the rule about there having to be a government employee on site for contractors to stay. If that were the case, this office would be open 4 days a week. Almost every state employee takes friday's off. Many do this to save on expenses or run a side business. This makes friday's a good time for me to get work done, without a lot of hassle. Almost like working on saturday, without the overtime.

    We've seen some crazy rules regarding travel and training also. We are a satilete office, and our main office is in another county. The rule orginally said no out of county travel without District Director approval. The State employee's couldn't even go to HR without approval then. Sometimes they just send us contractors to represent them at meetings in other districts because it is so difficult for them to get approval.

    It is getting lean on projects though. You want to do a minor server upgrade, but can't afford it without neglecting all reduancy. We will be paying for the lean times for many years, as workstations age, and upgrades become become more difficult. Even if the budget does increase, we will have to hire a lot more people just to make all the updates that should have come 1 or 2 at a time.

  19. From the Man Keeping You Down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Over here on the hardware side of things its a royal pain and then some. Shareholders want profits. CEO institues hiring freeze. Thats cool--at least no one is getting the axe.

    Except Problem 1) New Wafer plant is opening to produce all those shiny new Pentium 4s. Problem 2) They fellas over at AMD are puttin the heat on you and you company wants "increase market segment share" so they ask your division to hit overdrive in producing new processors and megahertz.

    So we are increasing workload and performance and have also have no people to put in our shiny new Fab. To say we are understaffed at the moment is an understatement. and the current staff is nearing burnout. Then the stock options become worthless and your incentive for busting ye olde hiney is gone. Its a vicous cycle of more work, less people. Then some people burnout and there is even more work and even less people. The same people who covered 1 plant must now staff 2 factories. Add in the switch to 300 mm wafers and our energy is sapped. Something is going to give sooner or later. Look for it sooner (and employers, do us a favor--hire an Intel process engineer and release us from bondage!).......

    I don't think this is a unique situation--lets be honest-chip sales is where Intel makes its money and we support the rest of the goons around here. One would think we could get an exemption to the hiring freeze, but nooooooo. Aparently that half billion dollars per week we bring in isn't enough (7 billion per quarter or 13 weeks)--
    CEOs always fund there little pet projects by squeezing the profitable divisions.

    And since I'm posting about work--views do nessecarily reflect those of the Intel corporate yes-men.

  20. Re:Same Chinese symbol for crisis + opportunity by JabberWokky · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Yes. I agree that it exists - the question is as to if it is a historically intenational combination, or rather a serendipious juxtoposition. A la "assume" = "ass + u + me", or the fact that kludge means roughly the same thing as kluge, even though the have different origins. Found the Straight Dope.

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  21. Re:Same Chinese symbol for crisis + opportunity by Santos+L.+Halper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I speak Japanese, which derives it's written language from Chinese. While I was living in Japan, I heard a motivational speaker tell us (in Japanese) about how there is opportunity in crisis. It seems to be a pretty common phrase over there. The exact phrase he used was "Kiki wa kikai desu." kiki=danger, kikai=opportunity, the first "ki" in each word is the character for danger.

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  22. Same work + fewer people = less work gets done. by Nonesuch · · Score: 2, Interesting
    In my office (Corporate IT for a fortune 500), our staff is down 33% across the board, but if anything, there is more work to be done, but not enough people left to do it.

    If anything, the remaining staff is less productive than before downsizing -- we have the same list of projects and tasks, but now half of the stuff on the list just doesn't get done at all.

    It's not like the company planned to cut staff by a third -- but after the official layoffs and salary freeze, the best and brightest employees took off for greener pastures, leaving the lazy and the lifers. The only remainining IT folk either lack the skills or initiative to go find a better job elsewhere, or are just hanging around waiting to 'vest' their 401k.

    Combine that with a hiring freeze, and when the really good employees quit (or the really really bad employees are fired), it takes an act of god to hire a replacement.

    IT's better than unemployment, barely...

  23. Re:well.. by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Interesting
    > Sadly a lot of poeople deserve to be laid off, all they do is dick off 90% of the day. Sure i dick off 90% of the day but my job is tech support and to baby sit the few servers we have, some days i'm very overwhelmed others i spend on slashdot.

    And management has to realize that sometimes (and very often with sysadminning), the guy spending 90% of his day dicking around is the most productive guy they have!

    A "lazy" sysadmin who spends 90% of his day with his feet up on the desk while alternating between Bugtraq, Slashdot, and a certain USENET newsgroup for monks, is probably doing a vastly better job than a "busy" one who's running around the office with six pagers all beeping at once.

  24. Re:Same Chinese symbol for crisis + opportunity by JabberWokky · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Yeah - that's the thing - the connection is empahsized only in modern literature, often by motivational speakers. Thus the pet peeve by the professor of Chinese literature (who, incidently, was Chinese himself). I'm not saying that it doesn't exist - just that I've seen many places that assert it is a modern jutiposition of a phrase that only had a literal meaning until recently, when the "poetic" meaning was picked up by motivational speakers.

    The word "therapist" means someone who goes into your mind, and is made up of the two words "the rapist", but that doesn't have a bearing on the classical meaning of the word, even though anti-psycologist speakers will hammer that breakdown in their writings and speaches. It even has a very poetic feel to it - a therapist goes into very personal aspects of your life if you want them to or not. They are the rapist of your mind.

    That doesn't mean that's where the word came from or even that it was a common observation about the word until modern times.

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  25. The future? by Badgerman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll be first to admit I'm sure the downsizing did trim deadwood. In fact, having been in IT some seven years, I can definitely say I've worked with a few too many people who shouldn't be in the profession. A third of my job has been cleaning up after them.

    However, I don't think the trimming went too well. I lost my job, became a contractor, and then did two contracts where extremely expereinced developers were needed. The companies in question didn't have people to fill these positions - so they spent more on me (on one contract the company probably paid 250% to 225% of what it'd have cost to have me as a regular employee).

    Yet I've run into complete incompetents with stable jobs. Some of them the very people whose bad code and designs I had to fix.

    The downsizings weren't that rational, from what I've seen. I dearly wish more of the deadwood had been cut, but I keep running into it.

    IT seems to have a pretty high turnover rate - and I'd hate to think how recent grads are doing. When the economy improves, when companies add to their IT staff, what will they be left with?

    My guess? A mix of the high-powered people who managed to survive the downturn, the lucky, and the improperly retained incompetents. The glow will be off of IT, so I don't expect people to rush back.

    Then what will hiring be like?

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    1. Re:The future? by Badgerman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have to agree. I've already seen this happen. One of the Incompetents followed the boss he kissed up to to another job. Everything fell apart, the entire team was dismissed. Everyone associated with the boss and the Incompetent lost their job. THIS was before the IT crunch to boot, back when people were talking about giving me 5-25K more a year to leave my job.

      Hiring policies (and firing policies) really don't seem to be rational. There's not a sense of vision - there's a mix of get-what-you-can and short-term expectations.

      I do admit I'm sort of enjoying the car wreck. In my area people are catching on to the need for talent (in fact the interview that landed me my current contract was conducted by two people with technical skills). I hope this spreads nationwide.

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    2. Re:The future? by spanky555 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The downside to what'd I call a train wreck is that I now have to compete with the incompetents who were rightly cut from other jobs...and that's harder than it sounds. Some of these jagoffs may interview well if they get a "soft"* interview, while I might not do so great on those. Better than most, but still...

      The bummer is that the dot-bomb didn't work out quite the way I thought it might - I thought the poseurs would be sought out quickly and canned, or the poseurs would get the message if they did get canned, and LEAVE and go back to whatever basketweaving background they had. But no, those folks aren't getting the message, and I have to compete with them just to get my resume even looked over at this point.

      I just hope people start conducting better interviews. I did recently talk to a recruiter that's happy that other "car-dealer" type recruiters are getting run out of the industry, and the ones that actually know what the industry consists of (people like himself, he was good, and had many years of experience to boot) were the ones left standing. So maybe it is finally happening. I can only hope so. I have built my career on trying to do the right thing and to build a solid foundation, and to work side-by-side with incompetent jackasses or not working at all, while I personally know of a handful of people who are, but shouldn't be, is excruciatingly painful.

      * By "soft", I mean those stupid interviews where they only ask number of years with a certain skilll, what kind of fish would you be, and other dumb questions, rather than putting you in front of someone you'd be working with or for, directly, and getting to the meat of things. Number of years of experience, with, say, EJB or some other tiny slice of this field doesn't tell anyone very much...someone may have been lucky enough or kissed enough ass to fall into doing, say, EJB, really early and has just done it (badly) ever since. Telling someone what kind of fish you'd be makes for great psych major fodder, but it's not very useful in the hard sciences, people. Some of these interviewers and recruiters and HR folks REALLY need a copy of Peopleware.

  26. workload by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If your workload has increased, but your pay remains the same, isn't that the same thing as a demotion?

    As the only IT staff at my location, I am leaned on heavily. Anything that has electrons in it must be my problem. When a beancounting manager sees IT overhead on his monthly budget, he no doubt sits around dreaming up more things to make me do. This seems to be a common problem with IT staff. Is it not true that (especially in this engineering firm) computers should serve to make a technical field more productive? How is it that we have come to be seen as a liability?

    -Necessarily Evil

  27. Re:High Turnover Rates in the Near Future by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The number of offers you get depends on a lot of things: what your experience is, what your skills are, where you live. A noob is less likely to find a job than a 10-year veteran, a Ruby hacker is in less demand than an Oracle Certified DBA, and your job opportunities are much better if you're willing to move anywhere than if you want to maintain a support network.

    My employer may have to lay off a lot of employees in the next few months. Personally, if I get laid off again, I'm acting on the assumption that programming work (in the Portland area) will be VERY hard for me to find. I'm teaching myself Visual Basic and C#, getting certifications (some people actually look for them .. I can't afford to get overlooked by these people), and looking for opportunities to work menial type jobs so I can get insurance until the "real job" comes along. Or until I start my own business. Or until I win the lottery.

  28. Illusionary Gains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    OK, this schema is about as credible as the dot-com productivity theories.

    What's the difference between automating a factory and forcing the workforce to work twice as on pain of being fired?

    The first strategy is sustainable and leads to real progress. The second just drains energy till people finally fall appart. What's the next "productivity tool"? Fire half *the remaining* and the really get "productivity".

    Oh, if they add enough of this kind of "innovation" we'll be right back at 1900. A lot of people can sense this.

    Investment in education, infrastructure and basic science has had long-term payoffs in total social productivity. BS like this has merely drained existing social productivity.

    http://www.webcom.com/maxang

  29. No Dignity + Any Future Turnaround = .... by spanky555 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Companies chipping away at any sense of dignity in this field right now + any future turnaround = massive quitting in the future. Job jumping, etc. will be even more than it was in the late 90's.

    And you HR/recruiters trying to get "revenge" on developers....shame on you. You'll pay for this in the future, so I wouldn't be so petty right now.

  30. Comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I've worked with several companies, most of them small. One required everyone to work from 8am to 5pm, half hour lunch and to clock in and out. The boss would fire people on a regular basis to try and keep costs down. Needless to say, most of the people there didn't do a very good job for long. It's hard to do a good job when your boss has no concept about management.

    I've also worked with another company, the hours were 9:30 - 4:30, 1 hour lunch. (Mon - Fri) The boss was a manager for over 10 years, and understood how to manage the employees. Guess what? Productivity went thru the roof! People wanted to get their projects done. They stayed for unpaid overtime when necessary. People came in early to discuss projects, etc... It was a great place to work.

    Both companies are out of business. The first one because over 85% of the staff walked out one afternoon after the owner announced he was going to move the office to another state to save money. (He died about a year later, stroke, high blood pressure, who would have thought?)
    The other company was a victim of some bad financial calls, most of their customers going bankrupt, and being located in downtown Manhattan on Sept 11th.

    Go figure.

  31. Re:High Turnover Rates in the Near Future by susano_otter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My company, meanwhile, has repeatedly shown that when you make your employees your top priority, your customers and your shareholders end up being extremely happy too.

    It's not that the cycle is vicious, it's that most executives apparently combine the rapacity of a shark with the intellect of a teletubby.

    Mmm... sharkotubby... :9

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  32. Simple explanation by MindTree · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about, everyone stated working becuase they didn't want to get the axe. Most peoples credit card bills, car payments, morgages, rent, hbo subscriptions, etc are enough incentive to make them work harder so they don't loose their job. Unlike a failing marrage, you can't get more money becuase you "were use to a higher quality of life". I'll do just about anything I'm asked with a minimum amount of fuss these days. Infact I'll do stuff I wouldn't have even considered taking on before, and I'll do it with a smile, just to keep the checks rollin in. Especially after you've watched friends and coworkers brave the current job pool. Talk about motivation. There you have it. Simply put, we have the same (maybe a bit more) work to do, but everyone's afraid NOT to do it. Almost as much as they are afraid to miss a ship date. I predict burnout will be a lot more frequent, and turnover may start to go up. Or maybe it'll just be career change.

  33. Voodoo Economics by 3ryon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fewer Employees + Same Work = Higher Productivity
    Fewer Employees + Same Work = Lower Morale
    Lower Morale = Lower Productivity
    Lower Morale + More Employees = Same Productiviy

    Wash, rinse, repeat.

  34. Re:High Turnover Rates in the Near Future by rossifer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A deliberate decision to create a culture where people are valued can be made at the top (CEO, board, etc.).

    Companies that show loyalty as part of a culture of giving a rat's ass about each other tend to get fanatical loyalty in return. Especially in this day and age when so many employers don't meet people's need to have a place where they know they're respected and can feel a bit safer than an unlit alley at 2:00am.

    Plenty of management won't see it because they're deeply cynical and project that cynicism onto others, plenty of employees won't see it because they simply have no idea what loyalty means. But that's why culture fit is fully as important as skills on the "interview goals" list (for both employee and employer).

    Regards,
    Ross

  35. Re:Low Pay = Depressed Labor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    And yet, one day when you all present a greivance letter (signed by EVERYONE) and perhaps follow up on taht bad flu day when EVERYONE calls in sick, you might wake up the management

    They have two choices, fire everyone
    Perhaps listen and realize that their job is to be the lubricant between the people who do the work and the customers.

    The management strength is that you are all too cowardly to take a stand and maybe risk losing your job.

    So people will work 12-16 hour days.
    Yeah, sometimes this has to happen - deadlines, and the crunch, but when it's regular, you are doing more than one job and are getting underpaid for it. You can say no. After 8-10 hours, get up and leave. Your relationship to them is that you give them time, they give you money.
    More, by you working longer hours, you are rewarding management for short sighted decisions, for laying off your coworkers, for suckering you into sacrificing your life for free.

    There's a line between a slacker and someone going off and having their life. MGMT will mistake that line sometimes.
    But, as Dear Abby might offer, while they have the whip, you are the one standing still for it.

    The only true "revenge" you might have is when the economy turns a little and their talent bails. I enjoyed seeing a company I worked at "outsource" a lot of the network management stuff, the outsourcers took on all the (now ex-) employees, and cut their pay by 1/3rd.
    2 months later, the top 60% of the talent was gone leaving a bunch of guys who didn't know how to plan, didn't know what technologies were on the rise, they mostly knew how to follow implementation instructions.

    It's been 5 years, and the network doesn't work; the outsourcing contract is over and the company, once a leader is trying to fend off takover attempts and has lost lots of their customers.

  36. It's the wonders of capitalism. by my_second_fish · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The bottom line is the bottom line.

    A stratification class I am in, demonstrated some rather alarming figures regarding the corporate elite, as compared to the corporate prole. In 2001, Lawrence Ellison made $706 million dollars for the year. Thats almost $2 million a -day-, 160 times that of the highest paid CEO in 1950 (Charles Wilson of General Motors). "The average CEO of a major corporation made $11 million in 2001, including salary, bonus and other compensation such as exercised stock options"

    If workers pay increased with inflation, and productivity gains, average hourly earnings would be $21.71, not $14.33 that they are today. In fact, workers make on average, 9% -less- than they did in 1973, if you adjust for inflation. Minimum wage earners, earn 38% less than 1968 workers. "It takes more than 3 jobs at the minimum wage of $5.15 an hour -- $10,712 a year -- to support a family." Since the last minimum wage increase, Congress has raised their salaries by more than $16,400, and have another $5000 raise pending.

    But I got off topic. The GATT, NAFTA, IMF and the World Bank are all attempts to allow the shipping of jobs to other, cheaper countries. It makes business sense to move that factory in El Paso, across the river to Juarez, and go from paying $8/hr, to $8/day for employees. Throw in corrupt officials, less stringent environmental controls, the dropping of benefits and retirement, and you have a vastly cheaper production cost.

    Furthermore, if executives can shuffle more workload onto a smaller workforce, in an economy that has a large available workforce (too many of you damn CS ppl out there :), those who want to protest, can be replaced. So people bear the brunt, because they know they will be replaced. But People have no collective long-term memory. They remember when their skills were in demand, and they could set the bars that they wanted. Desks made from legos, workstations that pivot slightly over the course of the day, nerf guns strapped to their chairs, Aqua Joe in the water cooler.. People also got lazy. They knew that if they slacked off, the job'd still be there, because they were indispensible. Unfortunately, things changed.. and it seems that nobody remembers the 1980s. When there was struggle for the good paying jobs, and good paying jobs meant you worked your ass off.

    Hell, computer professionals now get to realize the crush teachers have always felt. More and more work, without any added compensation.

    Quotes are from a commentary by Holly Sklar, co-author of Raise The Floor: Wages and Policies That Work for All Of Us and can be reached via email: hsklarATaolDOTcom (she had it at the end of the commentary, so i figured i'd share)

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  37. Better opportunities going than staying! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    A bit off-topic, but in my case, being laid off was certainly a much better opportunity than if I had stayed...
    I got a nice redundancy packet, letting me enjoy a year or so without having to work, giving me plenty of time to work on launching my company, and probably soon selling my services to my old company at four times the salary rate, because nobody else knows how to do this job!
    I pity those who have to stay and endure the stress of work overload and job uncertainty.

  38. Economics by br00tus · · Score: 2, Interesting
    If you're a believer in the idea that workers do better in good economies, this contrasts with that. Higher productivity means more money is being made per hour by the company - which means workers would be making more per hour, right? Except real wages are not increasing - most places have a wage freeze as well as a hiring freeze and government data reflects this.

    In the article, this process is called a speed-up by the AFL-CIO, because it is more physically grueling for blue collar workers. For white collar workers, it is more mentally straining, as the people from this article say.

    As the article said, for the companies things are good right now and getting better. But basically they are shafting workers who if things were in equilibrium would have those people back doing the workloads they had to pickup, or would be getting paid more. Neither is happening.

    A lot of the posts here show a lot of economic ignorance. This works against all IT workers. IT wages dropped for the first time in a decade a few months ago, yet many people talk about how they're happy this is happening. This would only make sense if they're not doing IT but are an owner, or perhaps in upper management.

    Microsoft, Intel, IBM, and so forth give millions a year to the ITAA to spin IT economic news in their manner as well as lobbying Congress. In terms of associations for IT people who figure out what's in our interest, most of the organizations are nascent - the Programmers Guild, CESO, Washtech etc. (not IEEE-USA which is a disaster). Our wages are being hurt due to not enough people discussing how financial matters affect our profession with each other, and so forth. This can be done in the aforementioned organizations, on mailing lists and on usenet. I have a web site that discusses some of this.