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Supercomputer To Use Optical Router

Izmunuti writes "From a NYTimes article: 'Highlighting a radical departure in the design of the fastest computers, the California Institute for Telecommunications and Information Technology plans to announce on Monday that it will use an optical router designed by a Texas company as the heart of a campus-wide supercomputer that will be woven together with optical fibers.'"

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  1. Shocking. by Forge · · Score: 4, Informative

    Someone figured out that you can pack more bandwidth and less latency into fiberoptics than copper?

    More importantly they are actualy using an optical router to prevent what has become a botleneck in resent years. I.e. Data comming off a fiber pipe is converted to electrical signals before being routed to it's next destination where it's converted back to little bity laser beams.

    This should be faster than your typical loadsharing super computer (SETI@home) but slower than the miranet using hardcore. With enogh nodes however there is no telling howfast this baby can get.

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  2. sorry, but the computers do the work by g4dget · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "We're moving to an optical-centric world in which the computers are the slow things and you reluctantly add them in," Dr. Smarr said.

    When it comes down to it, the computers do the work. You can do useful supercomputing with almost no networking, you can't do useful supercomputing with blindingly fast networks and no computers.

    (Somehow, the quote reminds me of people who think that managers and lawyers are the important part of a company, and engineers and customer service are a nuisance to be minimized.)

    1. Re:sorry, but the computers do the work by twoslice · · Score: 5, Insightful

      (Somehow, the quote reminds me of people who think that managers and lawyers are the important part of a company, and engineers and customer service are a nuisance to be minimized.)

      No, Actually that is Dilbert...

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  3. Way of the future by andyring · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Well, we all saw this coming, if you really think about it. I recall hearing talk of a pure optical network switch a couple years ago, that functioned as a switch without needing to convert fiber back to copper. I think HP made it, I could be wrong.

    Anyway, we're about pushing the limits of copper, with 1000bT, and I'd imagine network speeds will only continue to climb with increased use of fiber. I can see, in 5 to 10 years, optical switches becoming more common in office environments as file sizes and network speeds continue increasing.

    1. Re:Way of the future by Izmunuti · · Score: 4, Informative

      "...optical switches is that the switching time is on the order of tens of *milliseconds*..."

      Apparently, this company's optical switch doesn't take tens of milliseconds. They claim it can switch in tens of nanoseconds. They call it an "optical phased array" -- no moving parts. They talk about it a bit on their web site.

  4. Now we just need.. by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 4, Funny

    A pure optical router using analog signals which are passed through a crystal and output at certain locations based purely on their wavelength(wich coresponds to the exact binary data of the full packet) and the path which the light beam is forced to take! HA! Ha HA! MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
    >:D

    What? It could happen...

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  5. Re:How times change... by Soko · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think perhaps you're a bit confused, my friend. It _is_ digital in that it's sending information as numbers, it's just carrying those numbers on an analogue signal.

    The medium isn't important in digital, it's the message. Whether I send you a sequence of 20,000,000 numbers via carrier pidgeon or blue/green modulated laser light isn't important (other than latency) - it's the fact that those 20,000,000 numbers got from A to B via some means other than picking them up and carrying them.

    So, we are all digital now, and have no need to go back.

    Soko

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  6. Not to be confused with... by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 5, Informative
    CL-ITIT is not related to the California Institue of Technology - or at least not directly. Per their vision statement, they were created in 2000 at UC San Diego and UC Irvine to "help ensure that California maintain(s) its leadership in the rapidly changing telecommunications and information technology marketplace."

    Also, their statement on the Chiaro Networks "OptIPuter" is here. Caltech is an entirely different animal.

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  7. Got all excited over nothing by Servo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just as the article started to pique my interests, it was over. That sucks!

    Yet another technology article written without any real information. I realize in writing you are supposed to write to the common reader, but sometimes it seems like they would be better off not writing about it at all if they didn't intend on clueing us in on any of the facts.

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  8. Hooray by Adam9 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yay for free subscriptions.. here are some other sources for similar reportings that don't require evil subscriptions.

  9. Not a supercomputer by Boone^ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This would be a network of computers, not a supercomputer. The definition is becoming more lenient, so in a few years everyone on the internet will be a node in the world's largest (and only) supercomputer, and 80% of them will be redundantly running through Windows DLLs. Yay.

  10. Optical routing by ctar · · Score: 5, Informative

    The idea of optical routing is that, even in typical gigabit or any optical based networking media, the bottleneck is the processors in the routers. This is because the light must be converted to electrical signals, and then routing decisions and switching are done on the processor of the router. After being processed, the signals are converted back to optical to be sent out the appropriate port.

    Optical switching means that the light coming in on fiber from different devices is never converted to electrical to be routed. The actual light signals are switched from port to port. This was originally planned to be done with very small mirrors! (no joke!) which would aim incoming light to the corresponding outgoing port.

    According to the whitepaper on Chiaro's website, they have found a way to avoid the mirrors (which have an obvious bottleneck themselves, as well as potential mechanical failure) and they are able to multiplex or switch the light based on applying an electrical field to some of the optical components which them changes the angle and therefore the destination of the light.

    1. Re:Optical routing by irish_spic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree with what you are saying, but what you describe is an optical switch not an optical router.
      (a switch switches circuits or light channels in this case and a router routes packets).

      I read trough their website (www.chiaro.com) but wasn't clear on how they can identify the destination addresses of the packets (essential for routing) without some sort of photonic-electrical conversion. Then it won't be an all optical router, would it? ;-)

      cheers,
      Frank

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  11. Chiaro is no stranger to super-computing by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most of the key people at Chiaro are people who jumped ship from Convex Computer after they were acquired by Hewlett-Packard back in the mid-90s. Convex's claim to fame was to have invented and productized the first mini-supercomputer hitting the sweet-spot between the biggest vax and the smallest cray and they were very successful for about a decade.

    Larry Smarr, of UIUC's supercomputing center (aka the place where Mosaic was developed) has always been a big fan of the Convex crowd.

    Another bit of trivia - Jeff Christenson, of PERL fame is a convex alum as well as Dave Taylor of Id Software fame and a whole host of other key people now scattered about the world.

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  12. Speaking of Supercomputers, IBM is building HAL by toupsie · · Score: 4, Funny
    Forbes is reporting: ASCI Purple will run at 100 teraflops, or 100 trillion calculations per second, 8 times faster than its current supercomputer ASCI White and at a speed equivalent to the human brain, IBM said.

    HAL will be born a few years late...

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    1. Re:Speaking of Supercomputers, IBM is building HAL by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Insightful
      speed equivalent to the human brain

      I don't know how he calculates that. Maybe that matches the raw number of logic operations of a human brain, but a digital computer has a completely different organization, so it's like comparing apples and elephants.

      The brain's advantage comes through the fact that the "logic" is embedded within and mixed up with an incredibly powerful fully associative storage system. The keys and values aren't little byte strings or numbers like digital computers use, but instead they are high-level concepts and experiences. We don't even know how to begin designing a direct emulation of this kind of hardware.

      OTOH, it might take someone 10 minutes to manually do a long division problem that the computer can solve in under 1 nanosecond. However, even with all of the awesome math throughput provided by supercomputers that consume tens of kilowatts of power, nobody's come up with a system that has the real-world common sense and precise realtime control capablities of a 1 milliwatt cockroach brain. (Did you know that they can fly? I discovered that one day by spraying one on the ceiling. Scared the living shit out of me.)

      Obviously, making speed comparisons between brains and digital computers is utterly meaningless when the fundamental operations they perform are so completely different.

  13. Re:*Yawn* by Alien+Being · · Score: 5, Informative

    The innovation has nothing to do with the external connections.

    The interesting thing about this switch is that, internally, it routes photons instead of electrons.

    Once it sets up a connection, e.g. port-5 to port 17, the photons can "just go". In other words, there are no capacitors(wires) and gates(transistors) to slow things down.

  14. There is now by coryboehne · · Score: 4, Informative

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  15. yikes... by ryochiji · · Score: 4, Funny
    From the NYT article:
    >"the communications lines will be the fastest part of the computer and the processors will become slower "peripherals."

    Just imagine....

    Us:Back in my days, the processor used to be called the central processing unit, and everything else was a peripheral!
    Kids:Sheesh dad, you're old! Everyone knows that the processor's the slowest part.
  16. Optical Router, Supercomputers... by HappyCycling · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...And it still gets Slashdotted...

  17. Forced to go optical by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because the previous attempt to implement a campus wide supercomputer using an RFC 1149 based network caused the pigeons to burst into flames.

  18. has to be said.... by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Funny

    i am the cl-itit commander. no one rules the cl-itit like me. not this little fucker, not any of you little fuckers...

  19. Re:Faster than light is possible, still experiment by mindstrm · · Score: 4, Informative

    The experiment you reference does NOT show information travelling faster than light.. as is explained in the article.

    The waveform appears to exit the apparatus before it enters, but this is not so under scrutiny... as the article says, the beginning of the wave enters the glass (long before the peak) and there is enough information there to re-create the original wave.

    There are several phenomenon that appear at first to be superluminal, but they do not violate relativity, and are not actually moving anything faster than light, nor are they transmitting information.

  20. Steve Wallach by bstadil · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Don't forget Steve Wallach he was one of the protagonists in Tracy Kidder's Pulitzer winning book The Soul of a new Machine about the 32bit Data General next generation machine Nova that was going to leapfrog Digital's Vax. An excellent read by the way.

    He still drives a Porche with Convex as number plate.

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  21. Not quite an optical router by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative
    This is an optical switch fabric, but it's still a few steps short of a router. Something else has to make the routing decisions and set the switches. It does the same job as the MEMS-type optical switch fabrics (the moving-mirror patchboards), but will switch in nanoseconds.

    The pure optical IP or ATM router is still years away. Optical computing isn't up to optical packet decode and route lookup. Optical buffering isn't ready, either, although you could potentially store packets temporarily in a fibre delay line.