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First Emergency Use of Whole-Aircraft Parachute

Ahotasu writes "Over at SpaceFlightNow, there is a short NASA news release discussing the development of and first emergency use of a production parachute system for a general aviation aircraft. Whole-ultralight parachute systems have been available and used for some time, but this is apparently the first use in a "certified general-aviation aircraft". From the article: "In October 2002, a pilot released his single engine aircraft's parachute and landed safely in a Texas mesquite- tree grove. The pilot was uninjured, and there was minimal damage to the plane. The safe landing made aviation history, as it was the first emergency application of an airframe parachute on a certified aircraft." Here's the company's website. Looks like right now, they only have models for a select few gen. aviation aircraft, probably the most popular models."

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  1. Wonder if... by boaworm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...they can make this work in bigger aeroplanes as well. Put a para on a 747 and i'll be really impressed, and perhaps even a bit more confident i will reach the ground safe :-)

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    1. Re:Wonder if... by insanecarbonbasedlif · · Score: 4, Insightful

      .they can make this work in bigger aeroplanes as well. Put a para on a 747 and i'll be really impressed, and perhaps even a bit more confident i will reach the ground safe :-)

      Realistically, one would assume that they would put a large number of parachutes on a larger plane. The article talks about a small single engine plane, but you wouldn't want to try and hold a 747 up by one attachment point even if you had a big enough prarchute.

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    2. Re:Wonder if... by ari_j · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, a 747 is basically held up at just a few relatively small points. There is an incredible amount of torque at the points where the wing structure meets the fuselage and also where the empennage is attached. If these joints are strong enough to cause an upward acceleration against gravity, then certainly they are strong enough to effect a zero or very small acceleration with gravity.

      Now, a parachute and cords strong enough to support a 747 - that is another story entirely.

    3. Re:Wonder if... by MattRog · · Score: 5, Informative

      747-400ER's max take-off weight is 910,000lb (412,775kg).

      A Cessna 150's max take-off weight is 1600lb. So, you'd need 569 such-sized parachutes to hold a fully-laden 747. Who knows if they can be made that large, or strong. Plus the Cessna goes far slower than the 747's .855 mach. Certainly you would not want to deploy them at cruise speed but they would have to deploy at some airspeed which is just enough to keep a big bird like that aloft which is probably many times faster than the Cessna's max speed!

      In short, it might be easier and more feasible to give parachutes to all the passangers!

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    4. Re:Wonder if... by PD · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hell yea. I'd rather die in my sleep like the pilot.

    5. Re:Wonder if... by EatHam · · Score: 4, Funny

      Am I the only one that read this post and wondered about the airspeed of a fully-laden African Swallow?

    6. Re:Wonder if... by CvD · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah... but would you want to try and exit a plane travelling at .855 mach? 120 knots is bad enough (been there, done that)... .855 mach being 551 knots... that's gonna smack you hard!

      Plus all the liabilities from people killing themselves under the parachutes afters steering them into trees and powerlines. :-(

      I say a malfunction on a plane that big which could only be saved by a huge parachute is not destined to make it through... in other words, you're fucked. :-)

      Cheers,

      CvD.

    7. Re:Wonder if... by ryochiji · · Score: 5, Insightful
      >Now, a parachute and cords strong enough to support a 747 - that is another story entirely.

      It's not just the dead weight too. Since a large commercial jet, even a dying one, would be flying at hundreds of miles per hour, deploying a chute in mid-air will essentially bring it to a halt (in terms of forward velocity). Not only will that exert a huge force on the chute, but it'll also practically be like a crash for those inside.

      A cessna, on the other hand, can stay aloft at 45mph...

  2. Old News by scruggs_style · · Score: 4, Informative

    I heard this guy interviewd on NPR on the way to work about a month ago...
    Here's the link: NPR Story It's a real audio file.

  3. This is one small step for aviation... by Prince_Ali · · Score: 5, Funny

    and one giant leap for airplane drag racing.

  4. Rocket! by fritz_269 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Propelled by a solid-fuel rocket motor, the parachute is released from a special opening on top of the fuselage.

    Cool!!! A rocket-propelled parachute!

    Now it just needs a nuclear-powered life raft for the 'water landings'.

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    1. Re:Rocket! by pongo000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Rockets are a lot more common in aviation than you might first think. The Swearingen/Fairchild Metro III, a 20-passenger twin-prop plane popular for short-haul flights, actually has a solid-fuel rocket in the tail cone. That's because, when fully-loaded, the Metro would, under some conditions, be unable to climb on takeoff if there was an engine failure. Comforting thought.

      When I was an air traffic controller, we referred to them as "aluminum lawn darts," for obvious reasons.

    2. Re:Rocket! by ScuzzMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's because, when fully-loaded, the Metro would, under some conditions, be unable to climb on takeoff if there was an engine failure.

      Er... I would think that would be a pretty common problem among planes, fully-loaded or not...

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    3. Re:Rocket! by dougmc · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Again, I'm thinking single-engine planes might not be a real comfortable place to be in that situation either....
      Correct, but actually the odds of it (loss of an engine) turning into a fatal accident are higher for a twin-engine plane than for a single-engine plane. Here's a reference for you.

      In a single engine plane, you're landing, one way or another, and if you're smart, you just land straight ahead, trees or not. That rarely kills you, but it does mess up the plane. (Turning around is often fatal unless you have a lot of speed or altitude.)

      In a twin-engine plane, you apply full power to the other engine (during takeoff, it may already be at full power.) This creates a large yaw force that tends to cause the plane to roll, sometimes so much that it can't maintain altitude and it becomes a lawn dart. It can all happen very quickly, and you're probably not very high up, so you don't have much time to correct for it.

    4. Re:Rocket! by JimPooley · · Score: 3, Funny

      actually the odds of it (loss of an engine) turning into a fatal accident are higher for a twin-engine plane than for a single-engine plane.

      True. The saying goes that in a twin engined plane, if one of the engines fail, the other engine will take you to the scene of the crash.

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  5. Hopefully drive down costs. . . by WatertonMan · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This will hopefully drive down the costs associated with small aviation. Over the past decade or so a lot of manufactures have left that market - often because of liability. If, when there is an "accident" the plane could land safely with little damage to even the plane itself that would mean fewer insurance payouts. With fewer insurance payouts I'd suspect that the industry might become much more economical.

    If this works as well as I've heard, look for it to eventually become mandatory on small planes.

    1. Re:Hopefully drive down costs. . . by ari_j · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except for those cases in which the parachute fails, in which case the parachute manufacturer is going to have a whole hell of a lot of lawsuit to deal with.

    2. Re:Hopefully drive down costs. . . by ptomblin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, I think it will drive up the costs of aviation. The way the chute is anchored, it has to pull out stuff from the fuselage to deploy, and then the fuselage itself is designed to absorb some of the impact. According to people I've talked to, basically every time you pull the handle, the insurance company buys you a new plane. That's not going to be cheap.

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    3. Re:Hopefully drive down costs. . . by Zathrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As opposed to the alternate situation, where everytime it would need to be deployed the insurance company has to cough up payment to everyone who was affected by the "uncontrolled flight into terrain"? If you happen to survive then they're buying you a new plane too...

      This is presuming that the parachute is only deployed in extreme situations where gliding or a glide landing was no longer viable of course.

    4. Re:Hopefully drive down costs. . . by pgpckt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      According to people I've talked to, basically every time you pull the handle, the insurance company buys you a new plane.

      Um, if you need to pull the handle, it strongly suggests that not pulling the handle would have also destroyed the plane.

      With handle=probably will save your life, might save the plane.

      Without handle= Both are doomed.

      Am I missing something?

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  6. What kind of pilot can't dead stick? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've seen these used on ultralights - when the aircraft is being used for aerobatics that stress it far beyond design tolerances. I guess the product is a good idea for pilots who push the limits.

    But any pilot has to demonstrate the basics of unpowered flight to get their license. The engine dies - so what! Just look for a place to land.

    1. Re:What kind of pilot can't dead stick? by Phoenix · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ah, but what if the problem is with the control surfaces of the craft itself. It's damn hard to 'dead stick' a plane to a safe landing when you have an aeleron stuck in the down position.

      Or there are the many times I've seen small craft crashes where the control surface fell off the plane.

      Or (as we have seen with alarming frequency here in NJ) mid-air collisions. How do you dead stick a plane that has it's wing sheared off by some moron who isn't paying to the traffic while he's showboating?

      And there's problems even if you have only a dead engine. in the case of a dead engine over water perhaps. Ditching in the drink was and is the fear of every neval pilot since there is no garantee that the water will not swell at the last moment and slap you hard.

      It's an added safty feature that gives the pilot more chances to have a good landing...one that they can walk away from.

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    2. Re:What kind of pilot can't dead stick? by LinuxScribe · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm a private pilot, and you're right--we're all taught to land a plane without an engine. But landing a plane like that depends on rather ideal conditions: VFR, fairly high off the ground so you have time to glide, and relatively flat terrain.

      I could list several instances where this device would be very useful.

      • Engine failure just after takeoff (this device is supposed to work with only 300 feet of altitude)
      • Loss of spatial orientation due to sudden entry into instrument meteorological conditions by a non-instrument rated pilot
      • Loss of spatial orientation due to sudden entry into severe weather by any pilot
      • Damage of flight control surfaces due to collision or mechanical failure.

      These are not fail-safe devices, from what I have read. You will likely total the plane upon landing, even with one of these thing deployed. But any landing you can walk away from is a good one...

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    3. Re:What kind of pilot can't dead stick? by delcielo · · Score: 4, Informative

      I agree. I'm a CFI (Certificated Flight Instructor) and we do indeed train for engine failures. The problem is that training is no guarantee of anything. Terrain, weather, obstacles, these things are not controlled by the pilot.

      One of the hard facts of life that we have to teach students is that they may not find a good field when the engine quits. They may just have to find the field that sucks the least. Even more aggravating, the perfect field may lie only 100 yards beyond a point you can reach safely; but you must choose the field you can reach, then do your best to ensure survivability.

      It is by no means a cut and dried procedure, or a sure thing. The idiot who simply spouted out "What kind of pilot can't dead stick?" obviously has no idea how complex the task can be.

      As for the chutes, the design in the Cirrus is good. It destroys the airframe upon deployment. This will (hopefully) prevent people from just pulling the handle as soon as something makes them nervous.

      The pilot in this case should be applauded. He didn't just pop the chute when the problem occurred (and it was a MAJOR problem). He used his own skills to fly the airplane to a less populated area. He demonstrated a great deal of composure and guts; but I doubt he could have dead sticked the airplane in its condition. Does that somehow make him a bad pilot?

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  7. Re:Oh please! by Arcturax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The space shuttle's parachute is to slow the craft down, NOT to let it drift slowly to Earth in case they lose control!

    This parachute system for planes is meant to bring the plane down to the ground slowly, not to simply act as an aide to braking.

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  8. Many tough engineering issues had to be dealt with by ekrout · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... before these things were working 99+% of the time during real failures.

    I read that it was difficult to get the parachute to open quickly with minimal altitude loss if deployed at low airspeeds, while at the same time limiting the inflation loads to a tolerable level if deployed at high airspeeds.

    "The concept is comparable to automotive safety systems, which utilize energy absorbing structures, airbags, inertial restraint systems, padded interiors, and occupant protection cages working in unison to promote a very controlled and survivable crash condition." - http://www.aviation-engines.co.za/brs.htm

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  9. Re:Yes! by Arcturax · · Score: 3, Informative

    For the most part flying is VERY safe. Not the most comfortible way to travel unless you are in First Class or Buisiness Class.

    As for small planes, those are also very safe IF you have a competent pilot behind the yoke. Percentage wise, you have far fewer plane crashes than car crashes, for ALL types of planes.

    As for the big airlines, most of the guys flying these things are ex military jocks who have thousands of hours of jet time and can and many can put a fighter plane onto the pitching deck of an aircraft carrier on the ocean. At the very least they have flown many types of jets large and small and they know what they are doing. 99.9% of all Airline captians and crew are very professional. The horror stories you hear or experience are the rare events which the media always blow out of proportion.

    So don't be afraid to fly. The worst I fear when flying is dry skin and nasal passages (due to low humidity on board) and leg cramps from sitting in one place too long.

    My biggest worry is that I won't get the window seat.

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  10. I fail to see how this will work by RomikQ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    for any sort of aircraft actually used in passenger airlines - I mean, it may be able to have enough lift to carry a small Cesna (or whatever's on the picture), but not even the smallest jet...

    It'll have just as much effect as giving Red Bull to all passengers, i.e. none

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  11. This is an aircraft manufacturer.... by skogs · · Score: 5, Informative

    This aircraft was produced in my hometown. It is made by Cirrus Designs Corporation. They just started delivering their planes a couple years ago. Their aircraft are called the SR20 and SR22. These aircraft are designed and built in Duluth, Minnesota. Their test pilot, who was a jet fighter pilot in the Air National Guard(I knew him) actually died during a test flight about 4 years ago...the parachute had not been installed on the test platform. Very sad to see a test pilot killed in an aircraft that is designed to have the parachute for exactly that purpose. The next week our fighter wing flew the 'missing man formation'. I shed a tear. On the positive side, this system will probably help save numerous other lives in the future. I highly recommend this company's aircraft to any pilot...

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    1. Re:This is an aircraft manufacturer.... by mooneyguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I highly recommend this company's aircraft to any pilot...

      Well there is reason to be wary of these planes, and that reason has something to do with the parachute. Every other manufactured small plane has had to undergo a spin recovery demonstration. That is, the manufacturer has had to demonstrate in a flight test that the plane can be recovered from a spin. Not so the SR20 and SR22. Cirrus did not have to demonstrate spin recovery because their official spin recovery method is to deploy the parachute. Because they haven't had to demonstrate spin recovery, we don't really know how these planes behave in a spin. There have been a few accidents in the Cirrus that may be attributed to an unrecoverable spin condition. It's possible that by the time the pilot realized his situation he couldn't deploy the parachute.

      Deploying the chute is a final act. Once you do that you have put your fate in the hands of the winds and chance. That's not something that pilots are comfortable doing -- we never want to give up flying the plane in any situation. So a pilot would want to be absolutely sure that there was no other reasonable course of action before pulling that handle. Because that will be his last act as pilot in command for that flight!

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    2. Re:This is an aircraft manufacturer.... by delcielo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Something not being mentioned so far is that there was an unsuccessfull deployment of the chute on an SR-22 earlier in the year. It resulted in an A.D. (Airworthiness Directive - read mandatory maintenance).

      Also this year, there was an A.D. related to the trim system on the airplane that required removal of the left aileron. The pilot of the October flight was returning home after having the mechanics perform the A.D. maintenance on his plane. They had apparently not tightened/safety-wired the attachments for the left aileron, resulting in separation after departure.

      Fortunately, the other A.D. seemed to do the trick.

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    3. Re:This is an aircraft manufacturer.... by evil_mojo_jojo · · Score: 3, Informative
      Here are the facts:

      • The plane went through intensive spin testing during certification.
      • The plane has modern anti-spin enhancements that conventional aircraft don't have (wing cuff, wing tips). It is damn near impossible to unintentionally spin this plane. For example, you can use the alierons to actually recover a dropped wing (something that would cause you to have a really bad day in a Mooney).
      • Thise anti-spin enhancements do make spin recovery more difficult should you actually manage to jump off the cliff and enter a full spin despite the safety rails provided by the wing. That is why the chute is the officially sanctioned recovery for the craft.
      • The FAA inspectors actually requested that Cirrus be certified as spin resistant, rather than do spin testing because they felt it was more important to promote spin resistance than spin recovery in this, and all future certifications.
      • Sometimes I think Cirrus regrets this decision because they have taken a lot of crap from the marketing departments of historic airplanes.

      Disclosure: I own one.

  12. What kind of person thinks only engines fail? by TamMan2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I fly gliders, no engine to fail there, but people still crash and die...

    Controls can stick, birds can impact the plane in flight. The list goes on, and on...

    This is useful for those situations

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  13. If we start putting these things on planes... by Xaoswolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    How will we get rid of unwanted politicians and pop stars???

  14. Re:It is this sort of thing by Arcturax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The chute on a small plane like a Cessna172 is already pretty big. Most planes these are fitted on are likely less than 8,000 lbs or so.

    Airliners full of people and baggage and fuel are incredibly heavy and you would need multiple chutes of massive size.

    To get an idea of how massive these things are, when I took a trip to Australia back in September, on the way there the captain announced that we were going to "burn 130 tons of kerosene on the way there". That is 130 *tons* of jet fuel for, in this case a 15 hour flight. Even a domestic flight of just a couple hours is going to have a lot of weight just in fuel. Add on the plane itself, passengers and crew and baggage and you start to see the problem.

    So I don't see this working even on a small commuter jet such as the Embraer or the MD-88.

    Now NASA does use parachutes to recover spent boosters from Shuttle launches and they are fairly heavy, but they are also different shaped and maybe its easier to slow them down than a large jet.

    So it could be possible, but only time and research will tell.

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  15. The real trick by raygundan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    will be to make a parachute big enough to slow the descent of a plane that large that won't tear the wings off when it opens at cruising speed. A big enough chute (assuming they can find cables) will exert an unbelieveable amount of pressure on the anchor points. Far more than the forces needed to keep the plane aloft.

    I vaguely remember a Discovery-type special on this years ago, where they were trying for chutes that would only open partway (using some sort of ring) until it slowed the plane enough to survive full opening, but I've forgotten the details.

    1. Re:The real trick by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 4, Funny

      If the wings are removed, it will be easier

      Finally we can install the feature that every trainee pilot has always dreaded- the legendary "Wings Fall Off" switch!

  16. I'm not weird, am I? by zztzed · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anyone else get the mental image of a 747 sticking out of the ground with a giant parachute draped over it when they read the headline?

  17. Great in combination with rotary wing craft by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The rotary wing aircraft talked about a few days ago here could use one of these - one of the major drawbacks was that it couldn't glide in the event of an engine failure, but if it can just deploy a chute...

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  18. One pilot's view: This is not a panacea! by phliar · · Score: 5, Insightful
    First thing to remember is: this thing is heavy. The old joke goes: how do you know if something is too heavy for aviation use? Hold it out at arm's length and let go. If it falls, it's too heavy. If I remember correctly the BRS parachute for a 4-seat airplane is about 100lb. That's about 16 gallons of fuel -- about 1.5 hours of flying, or about 200 miles of range. (Or 100 lbs. of baggage.)

    Also, the airplane has to be designed for it, and the chute is custom designed for the airplane. Just like any system on an airplane, pilots have to be trained in its use, and they need to maintain that knowledge; and the chute itself needs to be maintained. The whole thing is covered by much FAA paperwork, and anyone who's a pilot knows how expensive that is. There are a couple of airplanes that BRS has an "STC" (Supplemental Type Certificate, i.e. FAA permission to install) for the chute, but they are smaller training aircraft like the Cessna 152 and 172.)

    The number of people that can afford a new Lancair is small. Pilots like me will continue to fly older and cheaper airplanes, and if there's an emergency, we will just land the airplane. Structural failures are rare, and there is not much country where a forced landing will result in injuries to occupants. Prudent pilots won't fly at night over hostile terrain. (In an emergency, I don't give a shit about saving the airplane; at that point it belongs to the insurance company, and I'd rather save life than their money.)

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    1. Re:One pilot's view: This is not a panacea! by rossjudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      phliar's point is important -- most accidents happen because of fuel exhuaustion. aircraft gross weight occupied by a parachute instead of fuel isn't good.

      I'll tell you what'll save lives, better than a parachute. Get some of friggin' paperwork and ridiculously expensive testing out of the hair of aircraft electronics manufacturers, and give them a measure of defense against lawsuits...that'll give more and more planes a sophisticated gps/terrain system, like the big boys fly, and it'll save lives.

      If you want to see something really cool, check out Blue Mountain Avionics. I don't know if Greg Richter reads SlashDot, but companies like his should have the government beating down his door to help him test, for free his avionics suite. It's cheap, awesome, and could save a lot of lives.

  19. Note about parachute use by irregular_hero · · Score: 3, Interesting

    An interesting note about this type of aircraft parachute: most of the ones that are deployed on GA aircraft are ballistic-assisted parachutes. Once triggered, the parachute is fully extended from a compacted state inside a tube by a small rocket. The chute itself reaches full extension in a little over 1 second. That short deployment time makes the chute more useful in the lower altitudes that a small aircraft would frequent.

    Then there's the matter of "spillover" -- the state that a parachute will quickly find itself in if deployed behind a fast-moving heavy ballast. If this happens, the chute will collapse and begin to work a little more line a streamer than a parachute -- it won't inflate after the air gets forced out of it. To combat this, a "speed ring" -- essentially a small baffled airfoil attached to the chute harness -- blocks the air entering the chute from the bottom. As forward momentum decreases, gravity causes the ring to slowly fall downward, allowing the chute to slowly and safely inflate.

    A really fascinating thing about the BRS type parachutes: Once they deploy the aircraft is totalled. It can never fly again. First, a deployment typically stresses an airframe in two ways that it usually never is stressed -- the wing spars are pulled backwards while in flight, and the vertical impact of the ground with the aircraft at a relatively high speed. The FAA will never allow the aircraft to be flown again.

    The second reason: the parachute tethers are typically stowed under the skin of most aircraft, and in deployment can actually rip through the skin. Damage of this type is very difficult to repair, so the pilot that chooses to use the BRS system _knows_ that he will lose the plane permanently.

    That usually keeps pilots looking for that tempting field or road if they have an in-flight emergency.

  20. Re:Yes! by dandelion_wine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Erm. I used to think so, too. Then I spent a stint as an air traffic controller. I hate to take away from your reassurance, but there's a lot more planes up there than there used to be, and the majority of pilots still don't seem to be able to respond correctly to things like low level wind shear (which happens very infrequently, thankfully). Paradoxically, improvements in technology have led to some new problems. For example, I'm sending a plane from Pearson to Gattwick and you're sending one back. I put one at a wrong-way altitude for turbulence and uh-oh, we've got a conflict. Used to be, there's so much sky up there, they're going to be miles apart even on a direct course. But now, with GPS, guess what? They're going to be damn close.

    The good news is that an awful lot of crappy, outdated and falling apart nav and atc equipment was replaced courtesy of the Y2K scare. No more radar screens blanking out and frantically changing consoles. Well, not nearly as often, anyway. :)

    But seriously, you are quite correct. Flying is still much safer than most other forms of transport. People just have a hard time understanding probabilities (hence the success of lotteries). It's the same with Indian trains. One might think they crash all the time, but the staggering number of trains they run daily means that in relative terms, it's very unlikely to be involved in a crash even if you ride them daily your whole life.

    The important thing to remember is that safety improvements almost always highlight dangers. Often in the past that dissuaded companies from making those improvements. We cannot afford to take that attitude.

  21. Old News by rossjudson · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is real old news to aviation types. Cirrus has been producing these things for a couple of years now. A few points:

    1. The Cirrus safety record is pretty poor compared to other plane types. There have been at least six fatal crashes in Cirrus planes already, which is unusually high, statistically. There have been a number of theories advanced as to why this is -- mostly it seems that there are pilots who buy one thinking it's a "lexus in the sky" and who get themselves into conditions they can't handle.
    2. This was a good scenario for deployment. Stuck aileron means the plane is gonna be almost impossible to land.
    3. You might have a parachute out there but you're dropping at 2600 fpm in an SR-22. I would not want to hit the ground going that fast. If you still have control authority I'd be going in for an emergency landing unless the terrain below prohibited it, or it was night.
    4. This guy landed in some trees which may have helped out with the 2600 fpm factor noted above.

    Light general aviation aircraft don't suffer very many airframe problems -- they're pretty damn strong. You can get yourself into trouble if you exceed Vne which is how most airframe breakups happen. And that usually happens because of sensory confusion during flight into weather the pilot can't handle (clouds).

    Ultralights are where the BRS parachute system has saved at least a hundred people's lives. Who the hell would ride in one of those things anyway? Crazy fools.

    All you slashdot types should start flying planes. I did. It's the best way I know to burn money.

  22. Landed safely in a Texas mesquite-tree grove... by MrIcee · · Score: 3, Funny
    "In October 2002, a pilot released his single engine aircraft's parachute and landed safely in a Texas mesquite- tree grove"

    While I don't doubt the validity of the article, comments like this make me wonder.

    We have Mesquite trees here in Hawaii (we call 'em Keawe). The trees support 2 to 3 inch thorns and drop branches like there's no tomorrow. I've been lost in a Keawe forest and let me tell you , by the time I made it out I was slashed dotted.

    A friend of mine once pulled his car under a Keawe tree and popped two tires.

    While I don't doubt that he landed safely thanks to the parachute... I DO doubt that he got out of the grove safely :))

    Of course, maybe he just hunkered down... lit a few branches and grilled a delicious dinner and waited for helecopters to drop him a ladder.

    Aloha

  23. Re:What's next? by Alranor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Indeed.

    But if the worst happens and it does sink, then there's a chance that someone might one day make a really really terrible film about it.

  24. Nuclear Weapons by Detritus · · Score: 3, Informative

    The U.S. Air Force developed special parachutes for nuclear weapons that allowed a high-speed aircraft to drop a parachute-retarded bomb on a target. These parachutes can be deployed at high-speed without self-destructing or putting unacceptable loads on the nuclear weapon.

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    Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
  25. What About the DEAD pilots?? by xheotris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More important than this first (non-test) use of the BRS system, what about the months-old crash where the pilot did NOT deploy the BRS after losing control of the acft? THAT seems like a more newsworthy item... a system working as it's designed to shouldn't be news. This smells like a PR effort, or the excrement of a marketing department.

    The glaring drawback to the BRS system is that, once deployed, the acft is almost gauranteed to be damaged in the crash-landing, so pilots are reluctant to give up control.. it goes against the lessons pounded into them by (competent) instructors. The BRS system is a waste of money and weight if pilots aren't trained to utilize it properly.

  26. Mostly Worthless by pigeon768 · · Score: 3, Informative
    This is not designed for use on airliners.

    The people who made the thing know it, and aren't trying to install any on airliners. It's used mainly in ultralights, where catastrophic structural failures (ie, a wing (or two) falls off) are common enough for a system like this to be useful, and are light enough that a parachute the size of a few large city blocks wouldn't be required. The exceptionally low speed of ultralights is also very very helpful.

    The only reason this case is special is that it's the first time it's been used successfully in anything other than an ultralight in a real emergency.

    So yes, a system like this won't be used in airliners anytime in the near future. They probably won't even be used in the majority of civilian single engine airplanes. But they will be used in some, and will probably be present in a lot of ultralights.

    Also, this system isn't intended to be used when an engine fails. (well, it would be useful if an engine failed immediately after takeoff- keep in mind it can be used effectively in as little as 300 feet of altitude) It's main intent is for when the plane is incapable of landing safely. In this case, it was because an aileron was stuck.