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Sony Adds New Copyright Method to CDs in 2003

Natoi writes "Sony is leaving Mac and **nix users out in the cold with their new copyright method called Label Gate CD copyright system. You'd have to be running Windows and use a Sony developed proprietary software to listen to CD's published by Sony starting next year." This seems a little extreme to me, since sitting at the computer just to listen to music is stupid. What about car stereos and high-fidelity CD players?

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  1. Read the article before posting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    SME's new Label Gate CD consists of two kinds of music data -- one is data for audio devices to replay and the other is encoded compressed data for PCs to replay.

    If you read the article, you might see your questions answered.

    1. Re:Read the article before posting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think you really read the article. The article later details which 'audio devices' will be able to play the music ...

      "Copied music on a hard disk drive can be transferred to audio devices that comply with SME's OpenMG digital rights management (DRM) technology for a number of times set by the music company."

      So this means that only 'audio devices' that use SME's OpenMG DRM tech will be able to play the music, which was downloaded to them from a PC.

      Sounds like a PITA to me.

      I hope the technocrazed Japanese find this too much of a PITA as well and that sales of the CD like things are bad so that Sony decides not to continue using this technology.

  2. whatever. by jeffehobbs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dear Sony,

    We're just going to hack it.

    Sincerely,

    The Mac and *nix Community

    1. Re:whatever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you use a product such a vmware, it's a simple matter to start up windows in a virtual machine with a virtual sound card i.e. vsound. I've used this method in the past to rip and burn music directly from rhapsody. You don't even have to go the analog route.

    2. Re:whatever. by entrylevel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Of course the programmers developing the technology know it will be hacked. The problem is, if they tell management that building a hackproof copy protection scheme is impossible, they might not have a job. "Find someone who doesn't think it's impossible!"

      Don't you slashdotters understand yet? The music indsutry is trying to obsolete CDs as quickly as possible so that a more "protectable" format can be produced.

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    3. Re:whatever. by analog_line · · Score: 3, Insightful

      More like:

      We're just not going to buy your shit at all.

      Limiting who can use your stuff = recuding sales by definition. If they make it impossible to use it, people aren't going to buy it. Music piracy has nothing to do with it.

    4. Re:whatever. by Blkdeath · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Don't you slashdotters understand yet? The music indsutry is trying to obsolete CDs as quickly as possible so that a more "protectable" format can be produced.
      While I agree that seems to be their motivation; are they really going to be able to slip that by consumers? 8-tracks and audio casettes went out the window because they were bulky, had poor(by comparison) sound, and their playing quality diminished over time. Audio CDs, however, do not posess any of these technical flaws.

      Moreover, at this point consumers have access to so many CD players, not to mention extraordinarily large CD collections (one friend of mine has approximately 900 CDs and growing), that it would be a huge transition. If not an all-at-once thing, surely it'll take them a decade or so.

      Even if they DO create a format that, magically, won't allow itself to be digitally reproduced - what's to stop audiophiles from recording and encoding the output stream?

      This whole undertaking just sparks of an abortive effort. They attack Napster, a hundred other P2P networks spring up in its place. They create encrypted CDs that can only be played in "{company} approved" devices, and by the release date over 100k people already have the entire contents of the CD. They create DRM on their CDs, people buy a $5.00 cable from their local Radio Shack and circumvent it.

      I wonder just how long the record labels are going to survive before they figure out that they, not just their technology, are obsolete.

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    5. Re:whatever. by ignorant_newbie · · Score: 3, Funny

      for some reason, i have an image of a beige box with a 3 foot stack of cds sitting on top of it.

    6. Re:whatever. by entrylevel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This new "protectable" format already exists. It is called DVD. Sure, it isn't "unbreakable" now, nor will it ever be, but...

      How many Joe Schmo consumers do you know who have mod-chipped their set-top DVD players with DeCCS? How many people can use "backup" copies of their X-Box games without being kicked off the X-Box live service? How easy and realiable is it (even for us 1337 slashdotters) to get full-length DVD-quality video rips off P2P services? Is this worth your time?

      We are reaching the point of dimishing returns, and "they have the technology".

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    7. Re:whatever. by entrylevel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are absolutely correct, but I think you are missing the point. Copying digital content will always be (relatively) easy for the tech-savvy.

      Joe Schmo, on the other hand, will get pretty fed up with having downloaded the latest Harry Potter flick, only to discover that for the seventh time, he has downloaded an old bootleg filmed with a tripod with an audio track that sounds worse than AM radio and doesn't stay in synch with the video.

      I fail to see where I mentioned games, but you bring up another good point. With DVD/PVR becoming more commonplace (OK, PVR is a stretch), who is to stop them from automating "software updates" in the interest of "security"? Granted, this would require an internet connection, but whose to stop them from making deal with cell phone companies? Mod chip your DVD player and you void your "service contract".

      On second thought, maybe we should stop discussing this.

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    8. Re:whatever. by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 5, Funny
      I would, but anyway I'm not expending my money on a company that treats me like that. If someone would be so kind of sending me a dump of the CD to crack it I'll think about it. And only on my spare time. None of my money will go to them.

      Dear Consumer #2285203229, Your action of refusing to purchase the newest Sony produced album "Backstreet Boyz are Back Again 5" is in violation of the Consumer Copyright Abuse and Corporate Welfare Funding Law of 2015. In accordance with this law, a fine of $25.95 will automatically be deducated from your credit card if you have not purchased this CD within 7 days of the date of this letter to offset the losses of your illegal pirating of this CD. Sony takes non-compliance of purchasing music you have probably pirated very seriously and will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the Mandatory Consumer Credit Card Law of 2009 if you fail to have a credit card which can be charged the full amount. We are but a humble $95 billion media company and cannot afford to have rogue consumers such as yourself not doing your civic duty and buying our products. We hope this acts as a wake up call and remind you of your duty to purchase the upcoming "Britney Spears and N'Sync Reunion Christmas Special" CD which will be released next month. - Max Wineberger - Sony Consumer Enforcement Division

    9. Re:whatever. by BorgDrone · · Score: 4, Informative

      How many Joe Schmo consumers do you know who have mod-chipped their set-top DVD players with DeCCS?

      Not a single one, because it's not necessary.

      Most cheap DVD players sold nowadays are region free and play whatever you feed them.

    10. Re:whatever. by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Interesting
      "Even if they DO create a format that, magically, won't allow itself to be digitally reproduced - what's to stop audiophiles from recording and encoding the output stream?"

      There have been some reports of DRM speakers that decode the sound inside the speaker. But I can't find them right now.

      But seriously, I understand what you mean. No matter how hard they try, we can just put a microphone up to the speaker and record it with a slight degradadion in quality and then digitize it and it's good forever.

      "I wonder just how long the record labels are going to survive before they figure out that they, not just their technology, are obsolete."

      Ultimately, I believe that that is the real point here. They will last as long as joe consumer doesn't realise that old music distribution methods are obsolete.

    11. Re:whatever. by jez9999 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Music industry creates 'unbreakable' DRM system

      The music industry is reporting today that it has created an 'unbreakable' DRM system which should finally prevent pirates from illegally reproducing music. The system involves setting into law the requirement for everyone to wear headphones at all times which meet the new Digital Rights Management standard. These headphones will not allow users to listen to music which is unencrypted, according to major record labels. However, they do say that the headphones will allow users to hear most languages being spoken for a modest fee, as long as that language has been approved. Currently approved languages include English and Japanese, although the music industry say that more will be added soon, and that a minimal number of nations will need to change their official language to comply with the new standard.

    12. Re:whatever. by Herkum01 · · Score: 5, Funny

      When it comes to the Backstreet Boys this cartoon says it all.

  3. So what? by nutznboltz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This just means the tracks will be ripped via the headphone jack.

    1. Re:So what? by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 5, Funny



      Dont give them any ideas. Before you know it, they'll take that out too.

      Perhaps they should just cut to the chase and start making CD players without any external connectors whatsoever. No headphone jack, no speaker connectors, no nothing. I actually already have one of these -- I call it a "trashcan". It sits next to my desk... I put unplayable CDs into it all the time.

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  4. A New Sourceforge Project by Vidiot3k · · Score: 4, Funny

    LinuxGate.Sourceforge.net!

  5. Correction: by vreeker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Sony ... will add a new function to music CDs early next year "

    Uh... Shouldn't that read "Sony will be removing functions from music CDs?"

  6. What you are seeing by lexcyber · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is the recordcompanies last breath before the whole industry dies. They are scared shitless and they dont know what they are going to do. But I dont feel hurt about it. Since record companies can continue their work. But they have to accept that the golden days are over, where they dictate the prices and have multi-thusand percent profitmargins. Record companies, its time to face the real world. With real competition etc.

    It's time to get the power of the music back to the artists and the listeners, from profitering bastards!

    Revolution!

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    1. Re:What you are seeing by Kragg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're wrong. Picture this:

      1) Sony develops copy protection that largely works (yes, yes, I know.)
      2) Sony develop hardware and software (for their other hardware)that supports it.
      3) Artists start getting less money because recording labels give them less royalties due to bad sales.
      4) ???*
      5) Profit. Massively.

      Can you guess the blank? Horizontal markets are the way to go. Microsoft supports everything off of Windows sales. Conglomo's time has come. And its name is Sony. or microsoft. or nokia. or maybe samsung at a push.

      *A Record label offers them more, because it a) sells more due to hassle factor, and b) can partially support it from hardware revenues.

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  7. Just Desserts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    You guys did it to yourselves, by downloading all those mp3s from Napster/Kazaa/Gnutella, etc., you've given Sony the impression that you only listen to music in front of your computer.

    You got what you wanted, sorry.

    1. Re:Just Desserts by bgfay · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nonsense. This isn't the end of the chain of events, more like the middle. To say that the end result of sharing/stealing music is that the users will not be able to play music on their computers is short-sighted. Of course DIGITAL music will be played on DIGITAL computers. Bits are bits even if they are encrypted, masked, or otherwise blocked by some system. Every encryption system is, to put it in overly simplified terms, a puzzle to be solved. There are those among us who love good puzzles and some of theose same folks like to listen to music while they solve those problems. the system will be broken. Music will continue to be sold for profit and shared/stolen for some time. I can't imagine just yet how the whole thing will end, but I know that it will not end with music being banned from computers. That doesn't fit with my idea of how the world works.

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  8. Another Excuse by ELCarlsson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can see it now. And then when the sales of Sony's CD's starts to drop off more they'll use it as another excuse to go after P2P and file sharing. It's beginning to seem like a lose/lose situation with these people.

  9. high-fidelity CD players by ihowson · · Score: 5, Funny
    What about car stereos and high-fidelity CD players?

    What about low fidelity CD players? And all of those middle-range ones? Cheapskates have a right to music, too!

    (I'm being an idiot, please move along)

    1. Re:high-fidelity CD players by mindstrm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Heh.... actually
      The CD format was developed as a medium-fidelity format... cheap, easy to mass produce, and good enough quality for the home user.

      Only in later years after mass market acceptance did they start calling it "high fidelity"

  10. Hi Fi Players are not affected by this by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 5, Informative

    SME's new Label Gate CD consists of two kinds of music data -- one is data for audio devices to replay and the other is encoded compressed data for PCs to replay.
    Of course, since some car CD players work on the same principle as PC CD players, they would be unusable.
    I normally play my CDs in the car. I have more or less stopped buying CDs altogether. Go Figure.

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  11. Campaign for Digital Rights by warmcat · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://ukcdr.org/

    This is an active campaign to try to stop this kind of evil action by corporations who insist they are the injured party when charging ripoff pricing for their goods and using graft to stop anything at all ever falling out of copyright and into the public domain where all works finally belong.

    Take a look at their site at least, consider joining the mailing list.

  12. urgh! by RestiffBard · · Score: 5, Funny

    screw this.

    bring back the 8-track.

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  13. decss part two? by IshanCaspian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can't believe they would be this clueless...don't they realize that if Linux could play DVD's there wouldn't be as much of an argument (or need) for decss? If they just took our fair use rights into account (play it under linux, play it on the computer, on my mp3 player, on my car stereo and so on) nobody would ever need to break their damn encryption.

    If you argue that it makes it too easy to copy their work, well, then what they have is an unworkable business model. It's like sheet music. For the really big orchestras who are playing the works of composers who are under copyright protection, they have to buy expensive scores. High-visibility = doing it the right way. This would be equivalent to using music in movies and games and such. On the other hand, if you're going for private lessons, and you need a copy of the blue bells of scotland, the prices of the real thing are going to be cheap enough to make it not worth the trouble of copying it from someone else. This is equivalent to consumers and cd's.

    Believe me, I'm all for protection of intellectual property. However, when protection just isn't possible without harassing researchers, threatening consumers, and forcing us to get our songs in a crippled format, it's time for our government to say: "Good luck with that whole music industry thing, you're on your own."

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  14. "Free world" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    SME plans to charge about A5200 (US$1.64) per song for the second time onwards ... so in other words, they are charging for you to be able to store your song on your computer. You have to pay $20 per CD. Nobody is going to use this service, I hope they realize. With that effort, they might as well just take a CD player and put it next to their computer. Voila, free music!

    Oh, and this will be hacked within a week of its' release. The data can probably be intercepted somewhere in the soundcard on the way to the speaker...

  15. I Give Up by aiabx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't remember whose CD's are playable on my equipment and which manufacturers use which copy protection, so I'm not going to buy anything. It just isn't worth the trouble.
    -aiabx

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  16. Sony and trademarks/branding by psyconaut · · Score: 5, Funny

    MemoryGate...
    MagicGate...
    LabelGate...

    If they start doing per-use billing, will they have a brand "BillGate" and will those "BillGates" then cause a huge lawsuit to be launched by our favourite WA resident? ;-)

    -psy

    1. Re:Sony and trademarks/branding by InfoVore · · Score: 4, Informative
      If they start doing per-use billing...

      Started? That's the heart of the plan:

      The first download of the electronic key that goes with a CD is free. SME plans to charge about A5200 (US$1.64) per song for the second time onwards, Ide said. Users cannot opt to just decode one song from a CD, but have to purchase the key for the entire CD, he said.

      Copy protection on CDs isn't about stopping file sharing, its about creating new per-play revenue streams WHILE ALSO preserving obscenely high hard-media profits.

      I.V.

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  17. This sure makes me want to be a Sony consumer by bgfay · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wow, I sure do want to buy some Sony discs now.

    I can't wait for the music industry to implode. An abusive power (whether in goverment (old school) or coporate (new school)) must be subverted. Funny thing. I just went to the library yesterday from which I had ordered eight discs I've been wanting. Spent an hour or so last night ripping copies of them to give to myself as a holiday present.

    Am I stealing? Yes, yes I am.
    Do I feel badly about it? No, no I don't.
    How come? Because the media companies have so far overstepped the boundaries of decency, that I have lost the ability to feel their pain.

    Isn't there one executive at one of these companies who has the slightest idea or vision of how this is going to work out?

    Finally, I agree with the poster who said simply that this will be hacked. It will indeed be hacked and it's likely that it will be hacked before the discs are widely available. Then the music will be on p2p and the system will continue to dissolve and fade away.

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    1. Re:This sure makes me want to be a Sony consumer by sean23007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, it will be hacked, but the system will not dissolve and fade away. It will continue to get worse and worse and more draconian until the CD as we know it is replaced by something that simply cannot be read by a CD-ROM drive, and cannot be opened in a computer. Then, we would not be able to hack it, and we would all have to purchase new stereos. It would work, because people have been raised to believe that they have to buy new things. As a whole, we are a very small percentage of the market, and they simply do not care about us. Which, of course, makes it interesting that they are spending so much money trying to thwart us, when so many of us wouldn't spend our money on them anyway. Maybe they just need to up their expenses on something they know they won't make money on so they can "prove" to Congress that we the geeks are costing them billions.

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    2. Re:This sure makes me want to be a Sony consumer by Gumshoe · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Am I stealing? Yes, yes I am


      No, no you're not. However, you areviolating copyright law. Big, big difference.
  18. Outrageous by Nexum · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If we had not become so used to being walked all over little by little by the record companies, this would be strongly and outrageously objected to by the affected communities. Imagine if we had not been introduced to the so far lame and piecemeal anti-copying/playing tech that exists at the moment, and Sony comes up with an announcement like this - there would be wide real-world public outrage!

    To ostracise computing communities in this way is nothing short of disgusting - and it should be corporate responsibility to bring all under the same umbrella. Will this be a good thing or a bad thing for Sony? I do't know, but what I do know is that from the moment this technology is used Sony will have lost one CD-purchasing consumer (me) simply becasue of my choice of computing platform (Macintosh). Does this affect me? Well, slightly yes it does, but I am sure that if I want a song bad enough there will be a way for me to get it, but on the whole I'm hoping it affects Sony more than anyone else.

    Mac users (and possible Linux users?) are a very media-based group of people, there are so many Mac-based graphic designers, film editors, 3d artists, animators etc. These creative people love music! The two go hand in hand! So what are these people going to do in the CD-store? Are they going to change their computing platform so they can listen to music on their machines, or simply not buy the (Sony) CD?

    I simply don't get how this could be a *benefit* to Sony.

    We should speak out about restrictive technologies such as these - is there a consolidated action group for such things? If so, where can I join?

    -Nex

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  19. Re:Read the story! by rainwalker · · Score: 5, Informative

    How is this +2, Informative? The article clearly states that the standard music tracks are also protected by DRM and are unplayable in computers, which also has been shown to mean that they don't work in any decent CD player. The point of this format is that Sony is "graciously" "allowing" people with computers to listed to their music on both their boombox AND their computer (for only an additional $1.64).

  20. Incomprehensible by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Didn't anyone even read the posting or article that it referred to before putting thisstuff up on slashdot???

    1. This is not a copyright system, it's a copy protection system.

    2. It doesn't prevent people from playing CD's in analog players altogether. The music available in two forms on the CD, one inteneded for traditional CD players in a copy protected format, and one for PC's, also copy protected.

    3. This only applies to 12 cm CD singles produced in Japan.

    1. Re:Incomprehensible by jackbang · · Score: 5, Informative

      And a few other points no one seems to be making (probably because they don't RTFA):

      4) If there truly are two copies of the data, redbook and protected, not shared data, then the capacity will effectively be cut in half, meaning this approach could never be applied across the board to Sony's whole catalog since the average album is too long to fit twice on the same CD. Which raises two interesting questions - is the data duplicated or shared? And is the protected data uncompressed, or are you getting a lossy version?

      5) You only get one free key to listen to your music. Subsequent keys must be purchased. So if your hard drive fails, or you wipe your drive and forget to backup your keys, you get to buy your music all over again. Not to mention that if you want to listen to your new "CD" in your home office and your computer at work, you will have to pay for two keys.

      6) The copy protection system requires an Internet connection, making it even more burdensome than it already is

      7) You have to use Sony's proprietary player, like it or not.

      All around it sounds like a a great system that is exactly what consumers are asking for. Way to go Sony!

  21. What about Playstation? by iiioxx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if the new Sony CD's will be playable in Sony's PS or PS2? Being a CD and DVD player in addition to being a game station has always been a draw of the PS2 (at least, to budget-conscious consumers, like college students). If not, they just removed one of the PS2's selling points. Seems kind of cannibalistic.

  22. Copies vs originals by javilon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This days i trust the printed (legal) cd's better than the copies. They are usually better material quality and they play everywhere.
    But with all this crap they are pushing into the printed cd's, it is going to be a good policy to just avoid them and trust the copies.
    If you come across a copy of a music cd, you know that the person who copied it made the effort to remove the restrictions placed on it.
    Therefore in the future, there will be less trouble with copies than with original discs!

    Also, an album downloaded from the internet will have more value that a original one because it will play everywhere once you burn it!

    I think this is gonna backfire on them.

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    1. Re:Copies vs originals by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 3, Interesting
      "This days i trust the printed (legal) cd's better than the copies. They are usually better material quality and they play everywhere. But with all this crap they are pushing into the printed cd's, it is going to be a good policy to just avoid them and trust the copies. If you come across a copy of a music cd, you know that the person who copied it made the effort to remove the restrictions placed on it. Therefore in the future, there will be less trouble with copies than with original discs!"

      That is abolsutely right. My mom just bought a Univeral disc and lo and behold it was copy-protected. (All universal discs have been like this for some time.) The first track had a bunch of static at the start. I knew she would bring one home sooner or later.

      What do I do? I put the CD into the stereo, play the thing, and pipe the output into my machine and record a clean copy.

      Now how often do you think we listen to the original?

  23. NOT a new copyright method, a new copy PROTECTION by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A new copy PROTECTION method. The only way there can be a new COPYRIGHT method is via legislation.

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  24. Re:Not CDs by The+Original+Yama · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Besides geeks and Phillips, who cares? These things are circular and work in (most) CD-Players, therefore for most people they qualify as CDs. Only geeks care about rights and freedoms. Ordinary people will only care if a gun is pointed to their heads.

  25. 5 players? One for each label? by Flamesplash · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So from what I can tell, if each of the Big 5 use a similar scheme that means that if I want to play an album from each of them I would need _5_ players, since they aren't going to use an open standard or at least a closed shared one. I think this, more than anything, will turn people off. I do not use anything other than winamp to listen to my mp3's and I don't want to have to install 5 applications and also switch between those 5 to listen to my music.

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  26. Re:Wait a second here... by fmaxwell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Too bad that's not what the article says in any way, shape, or form.

    Too bad that you don't understand CD player technology in any way, shape, or form.

    Many high-end audio CD players use CD-ROM drive mechanisms which will be confused by the new formats such that they won't read the audio tracks. The same is true of many in-dash card CD players, which are often based on laptop CD-ROM mechanisms. Consider the JVC that I have in my car. It plays audio CDs, MP3 CD-ROMs, and will read CD-R and R/W discs. It will, almost certainly, not be able to play the new copy protected discs that Sony is releasing.

  27. Re:Time to stop buying Sony then surely? by reallocate · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Dream on. If every Unix and Mac user in the world never bought another Sony CD, I doubt Sony would notice. What would they lose? A few percentage points of the market? The Windows market is the only market they care about.

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  28. Beat CD DRM for all time. by dmaxwell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What we need are utterly stupid CD data drives. The board on the drive will do nothing more than spin the cd, move the heads, and read and write data at the lowest possible level. Absolutely all functions of the drive should be implemented in software. If cdparanoia can control the every tiny thing that goes on in the drive then this sort of scheme is done. It will only take a few days for a new driver to be written every time another one of these schemes comes out. I wouldn't be surprised if EE students don't start hacking existing drives to behave in just this way. Saaaay, that's even better. Hack in an "utterly stupid" mode for direct ripper control.

  29. not so fast to dismiss the law by MacAndrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do they trust stupid laws like the DMCA to enforce their silly DRM systems?

    Yes.

    Remember the DeCCS and Dmitry Sklyarov debacles? Although "someone will hack it," good luck disseminating it and staying out of jail.

    The industry does not view these laws as symbolic, and has the lobbying power to see them enforced. There will always be an underground, but it will be economically insignificant, far smaller anyway than the currently easy piracy any high schooler can pull off.

    What about ripping from the audio stream, is that illegal too?

    It would still be legal under "fair use." But a copyright violation, such as selling the music, would still be a copyright violation, as it damn well should be IMHO (not all artists are rich). Enforcement is not impossible -- for example, Napster; P2P is just farther underground -- but very difficult, like it is now. I doubt it will be long before P2P software is attacked, if it has not already (I don't know).

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    I don't think stealing will work. Stealing is not civil disobedience, anyway, it's just taking what you want because you want it. Piracy is no noble protest. Surely there are better ways, more open ways of protest.

    The best that occurs to me, aside from lobbying Congress (ha!), is to boycott the companies, declaring we want fair use back. It's the oldest rule of capitalism: Vote with your feet. If imposing copy protection schemes results in making less money, the industry realize its error a heck of a lot faster than any amount of criticism or lawbreaking. (They'd rather be rich if unpopular.)

    1. Re:not so fast to dismiss the law by MacAndrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Er, you may not realize it but you're changing the subject, or perhaps recognizing the unspoken subject here, which is a disregard for copyright as opposed to copy protection. I'm not sympathetic to the former. I've heard more than one artist complain about the money that's being taken out of their pocket -- and none of us would likely approve of someone skimming off their paychecks, why should artists.

      If you don't like copyright, "vote with your feet" and buy only from artists who don't impose copyright. Of course if they waive copyright, why buy in the first place. Just copy it from the internet -- you'll be 100% legal and the artists 100% poor. And then you can sense the problem; unlike free software, the artist will have no second chance at distribution or consulting fees.

      Well, I forgot live performances, certainly a viable reason for distributing free music. But not everyone goes in for the grueling work (some are dead, or can't sing any more, like Bob Dylan). Many think writing, composing, and recording songs is work enough ... and unlike the functionality of a piece of software, generally each artist's work is in some way unique.

      I'm being a little tongue-in-check, but I do see two parallel debates here, one spoken and other subliminal. My idea of progress in the recording industry would be a bigger cut to the artist (current about 50 per $15 CD), a greater variety of alternative low-budget music, and lower prices to the consumer.

    2. Re:not so fast to dismiss the law by MacAndrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I see, I didn't realize your emphasis was on "silly DRM" rather than "enforce." Agreed.

      Yes, it does seem dumb, something recognized by public-key encryption: if you rely on a discoverable key for security, you're vulnerable, and passing a law saying "don't look at my key" is pretty futile.

      The copy protection is irritating, and so bad business. MP3 recorders are big business, and a lot of people won't realize their new CD's are "defective" until they get home, and they'll be pissed. So I tend to think these schemes will die as economically suicidal. Or I hope so. I find it as offensive as that fscking FBI copy warning I'm forced to watch at the beginning of a DVD -- who thinks that makes a difference to a pirate? Well, the industry does I guess.

      I also don't like the precedent of these enforcement mechanisms -- heavy-handed is an understatement.

    3. Re:not so fast to dismiss the law by Eskarel · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The problem with that theory is that "voting with your feet" doesn't work with the music industry, people have been "voting with their feet" for at least a year now as music sales continue to go down due to lack of decent music and overpriced cd's. If you don't believe this, just think about how many cd's you've bought in the last year as oppposed to years previous and ask yourself why.

      This hasn't worked because the industry just blames the loss on people stealing their music and goes on to get more and more mind boggling legislation and implement more crummy copy protection schemes, which like all copy protection schemes inconvenience legitimate users more than they prevent the theft of copyrighted materials.

      In my opinion, companies which produce digital media of any kind, cd's dvd's, software, etc have really only a few choices left to them, they can invest in copy protection methods, they can lower the cost and increase the quality and variety of the product they sell, or they can as some software companies seem to do and as the dvd standard certainly did, increase the size of files to a point which effectively limits anything but personal exchanges of burned media.

      The first option, which is the one which most companies are likely to pursue is, quite admitedly, a poor option in the long term, not only does it trample on fair use(which they don't like anyway), but it alienates consumers and isn't sustainable in the long run without legislation so draconian it makes the DMCA look like a fluff law. It is however the option which is easiest and cheapest "now", and many the digital media industries may think that in the future they can either create a truly uncopiable media, or that they can get the legislation they need.

      The second option, is of course the option which most everyone would prefer, but it is the most difficult to achieve. Lowering costs would involve cutting into profits, and investing in ideas which weren't just derivatives of previously successful groups, or just flashy with no real substance is a risky investment. Personally I strongly believe, as has been posited by other groups, that if digital media, particularly software which is much more expensive and much harder to determine if you actually like it in advance, would sell much better, and get a lot more people willing to take risks on untried products if it were sold at a lower price. This method, which is pretty much the only sustainable option, is very difficult "now", and as such will probably never be implemented by the digital media industries.

      The third option which I firmly believe people are actually doing, is just too ludicrous to sustain, and so I won't comment further on it.

    4. Re:not so fast to dismiss the law by RageMachine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "good luck disseminating it and staying out of jail."

      The weird thing is... Some people will risk going to jail, and know the risk they are facing.

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    5. Re:not so fast to dismiss the law by MacAndrew · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know -- the folks who posted it prominently got quiet very fast. It was dramatic. They could do the same thing to these other sites until ISP's and universities wanted it off their servers even faster than kiddie porn. Note than I'm not endorsing any of this.

      And DeCSS is laughably simple. I liked the guys who put it on T-shirts, and there's even a haiku. Some scary precedent is getting set down. Don't even ask me to say where the line between protected free speech and unprotected illegal code is drawn, considering we've been pointedly calling them computer languages all these years. I'm a lawyer, not an oracle, but I do know the first amendment doesn't protect everything in writing (copyright for example; trade secrets, espionage, blackmail, obscenity, etc.).

      The more complex solutions will be harder to spread around anonymously, and won't look as innocent or amusing as a haiku or T-shirt. (These folks are practicing civil disobedience and rubbing the industry's face in it, which I think is just fine, and probably illegal or it wouldn't be civil disobedience.) Public sympathy will be less, and that's important. Look how hard they came down on Sklarov! He is fortunate to attract a lot of sympathy, and to be a fairly innocent looking guy, an academic more than a black market profiteer. I was amazed, if you look at how lax the gov't is to enforce lots of other "economic harm" laws. I don't know many honest people will want to get involved inthis, and really it's the honest people who need to be won over to the cause.

      So ... the crime won't always be so trivial or safe to commit. Either fix the law or somehow make the crime unnecessary. Piracy will never go away, but it can and should be corralled, without destroying innocent fair use.

    6. Re:not so fast to dismiss the law by loraksus · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think we could make the arguement that dylan couldn't sing ever. Thats just me tho

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  30. The great Slashdot Alarmists by David+Wong · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Guys, corporations do a perfectly good job of screwing us without all your weird-assed exaggerations.

    They're putting restrictions on their product, we find it inconvenient. 1) don't go flying off the handle and claiming we can't play their CD's on anything but our PC's, and 2) don't act like some fundamental God-given right has been raped away from you.

    It's a product inconvenience, making the product less desirable. The free market always solves these problems in the end. If loss of sales due to these features offsets the sales they're allegedly losing due to P2P, they'll drop it. That's all.

    Calm down. You don't have some basic humanitarian right to listen to popular music.

  31. for once, this actually sounds REASONABLE by CrudPuppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    prior attempts by th music industry have left people who primarily listen on PC's and high-end cd players out in the cold, because they have relied on garbage parity data to stop copying (which stops playing also)

    now this allows the cd to be played in normal dumb cd "players" as well as on a PC while still accomplishing their goal of making it tougher than a normal cd to rip to mp3 and trade.

    so, except for the fact that most people actually like trading music for free, it sounds like a pretty good plan.

    as an addendum, I will add that I wrote a couple really nasty letters about prior anti-pirating technology because of the 6 players I own, only 1 was capable of playing those protected disks because all others are either in my PC's or are $500+ head units in cars!

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    1. Re:for once, this actually sounds REASONABLE by bsane · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If this sounds reasonable to you its probably because you've lowered your expectations too much.

      I own a mac which has the perfect music listening/organizing software. Even if (and they won't!!) Sony ports their app to OSX I would still have to switch between iTunes and Sony's app to listen to my music. This doesn't even cover my other legitimate uses that involve iTunes and a CD burner...

      On the other hand I haven't bought anything made or published by Sony in over two years, so this won't affect me, yet.

  32. And this is the music industry's brain on drugs by Snork+Asaurus · · Score: 5, Informative
    Another example of how the music industry seems bent on winning the battle at the expense of losing the war. One has to wonder exactly when they lost touch with reality. It must be the years of drug abuse. While they could provide open technology and profit, they would rather resist. I've been holding off for years, waiting for them to provide open flexible offerings so that I can satisfy my pent-up demand for music. I'm getting tired of waiting and although I continue to speak out (here and elsewhere) against violating copyright, the fools make it harder every day for me to do that.

    Here's yet another example. (I submitted this various forms to the /. editor gods 3 times in the last two days, but they don't seem to think it worthy of your attention) :

    According to this article , Universal Vivendi will be making 43,000 tracks available for sale, at $0.99/track, on 28 different web sites (that will get commissions for the sales). In what can best be described as a monumental example of still not getting it, UMG will be selling the tracks in the proprietary DRM hobbled Liquid Audio format . A quote in the article from a UMG unit president demonstrates that years of listening to the kind of stuff big labels sell does indeed damage the hearing (and possibly the corporate brain) when he said (please try not to laugh too hard, folks) "We have listened to the public, and we are offering the music that people want at a reasonable price that fairly compensates the artists, songwriters and [other] individuals who make their living in the music industry". Apparently UMG thinks that a restricted format is what the public wants. As to "fairly compensating artists (and) songwriters", I have yet to hear any UMG artists announce that their contracts have been ripped up. Just to double check that last point, I looked outside - there is still only one moon in the sky.

    Finally, for the 3 of you that don't also peruse the Register, here's an interesting item that the music industry should pay attention to: File swap nets will win, DRM and lawyers lose, say MS researchers

    It seems that the harder the music industry tries to resist, the more likely it is that they're writing their own epitaphs.

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  33. Extraordinary Claims Require Coherant Evidendence by JohnDenver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know the original saying is "Extraordinary Claims Requires Extraordinary Evidendence", but in your case, you're leaving the rest of us scratching our heads. You're assuming we know too much, so I've listed some questions to help you elaborate.

    1. Are you partly saying because Sony manufactures hardware and the copy protection, it will be picked up and implemented?

    2. Which SPECIFIC horizontal markets are you talking about, and WHY are they the way to go?

    3. If Microsoft supports everything off of Windows sales, are you saying Sony will support everything off thier CD sales???

    4. What does your Conglomo link mean? It looks like a fan website. HOW does this tie into Sony?

    5. A Record label offers them more? What's them?

    6. What's the blank before "Profit. Massively."?

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  34. It'll backfire on them... by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...as more and more people grow tired of problems, lack of choice in players and incompatibilities. It'll go something like this:

    1. Shell out $$$ for protected CD, run into trouble.
    2. Store refuses to take it back, claims it's not broken
    3. Find mp3 (or ogg or whatever, let's not get int that) on internet, burn a 100% plain vanilla RedBook-compliant Audio CD.
    4. Enjoy music.
    5. Lesson learned: Next time, skip steps 1 and 2.
    6. Record companies complain about increased piracy.
    7. Even more protected CDs come out
    8. Goto 1 (Basic anyone?)

    And, unlike CSS, this isn't really a copy protection. This is just a crude hack to use different ways of interpretating a CD to make life difficult. Sometimes I wish CD-manufacturers would just give us the raw output of the CD, complete with lead-ins, lead-outs, only providing the error data but doing no error calculation of its own. With all the data, and a software ripper that could fix whatever tricks they pull, maybe they would realize just how pointless this is.

    Kjella

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  35. Put down your mouse, pick up your guitar!!! by alfredo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fuck them, make your own music.

    You may even score with a real woman, not some digital recreation.

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  36. What about computer obsolescence? by mobilityguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read the article. Like all the DRM schemes I've seen to date, it still doesn't deal with my biggest question: What happens when my computer gets old?

    A computer, over its useful life, can accumulate thousands of dollars worth of digital rights. Bought at $1 or even $20 apiece they don't seem like much, but it all adds up. When my computer gets old (or eats its hard drive), and I buy a new one, how do I transfer those rights which are specifically designed to be non-transferable? Am I violating the DMCA by even trying?

    Do DRM keys survive a backup/restore? How about a disk-to-disk sector copy?

    Think of it in today's terms: You go out tomorrow and buy a new computer. Before you can boot it for the first time, you must call the RIAA. They send a truck around that picks up your entire CD collection and takes it away to be crushed.

    And if the stuff you like isn't popular enough, and the record companies haven't decided to keep it in print, forget about ever getting your hands on it again. Oh well, you'll always have your memories.

    DRM is new now, but we should be discussing what happens when it matures. Until someone invents a key ring technology for digital rights, I'm buying nothing with copy protection.

  37. Re:Extraordinary Claims Require Coherant Evidenden by Kragg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know the original saying is "Extraordinary Claims Requires Extraordinary Evidendence", but in your case, you're leaving the rest of us scratching our heads. You're assuming we know too much, so I've listed some questions to help you elaborate.

    1. Are you partly saying because Sony manufactures hardware and the copy protection, it will be picked up and implemented?

    No, the other way round. I'm saying that hardware sells anyway, and Sony, due to their presence in both the music media and music device industries can use influence in one to help out the other.

    2. Which SPECIFIC horizontal markets are you talking about, and WHY are they the way to go?

    Music. From distribution, through music hardware to normal pc hardware to copy protection software.

    3. If Microsoft supports everything off of Windows sales, are you saying Sony will support everything off thier CD sales???

    No, the other way round. CD sales are the endangered market at the moment, with sales dropping off. Artists are going to start losing money, and they don't want that at all. So if Sony can offer then better royalties by signing the to record on Sony copy-protected media, they will be happy. And to listen to the music we will have to buy the Sony hardware, making Sony a profic on both sides of the fence, and helping to keep the CD sales afloat.

    4. What does your Conglomo link mean? It looks like a fan website. HOW does this tie into Sony?

    Never saw Rocko's Modern Life then? :) Ah well. It's a big company in a kid's cartoon. In fact, it's the only company in the kid's cartoon and it makes and sells everything. Name from conglomeration.

    5. A Record label offers them more? What's them?

    artists. more money.

    6. What's the blank before "Profit. Massively."?

    I included spoilers in the original post... that bit with the '*' on it..?

    Basically, I am trying to point out how Sony is aligning itself to play the music market, both in terms of media and electronics, by the prodution of this closed copy protection mechanism, and how throwaway comments like 'the recording industry is scared shitless' are shortsighted and naive. Large companies have clever people in them that devote all day every day to planning a successful future for their company, and people shouldn't throw out their 5-minute's-worth-of-thought opinion like it's God's Own Truth.

    Does that help?

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  38. I miss the old Sony by Ldir · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Sony used to be such an innovative engineering company. They made exceptional products of the highest quality with all the cool features that customers craved. Sadly, they've lost their drive for excellence, becoming just another marketing-driven company churning out me-too equipment.

    Their remaining innovation seems mostly directed at dumping crippled products on their customers. They push proprietary "standards" like SDMI and invent new ways to lock up the tripe they press on CDs. And, just like Microsoft, if there's an industry standard, it's a good bet Sony is pushing a competing technology.

    Sony still lets the engineers out once in a while, to create products like the Aibo. It has little commercial significance, but it keeps their image polished. In their profit-making lines, they're coasting on their reputation. They still command premium prices, but the value behind the logo is gone. Substance and performance have been replaced with frills and flash.

    Like most companies, some Sony products are very good, some are junk, most are so-so. Unfortunately, even the decent stuff may have proprietary bells and whistles that increase costs or limit compatibility. The Sony brand used to top shoppers' buying lists. Now, unless you know a product well, the Sony brand is best avoided.

    IMHO, YMMV, etc.

  39. Mac/Unix users by MacAndrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hey, you're talking about millions of users. Millions of users mean millions of dollars. Ask Apple with their well-received iPod (now available for the PC) whether Mac users (1) have money and (2) listen to music.

    I wish Sony all the worst and am glad my CD collection was "completed" when I got pissed off at the ridiculous prices several years ago.

    But hey guys, clean up your act and I'll rush out and spends ... dollars. The US kind that are worth more than other dollars (at the moment anyhow). Really.

  40. EMI just did the same with the new Robbie Williams by blowdart · · Score: 4, Informative

    First let me state I bought it for the girlfriend :)

    Anyway, like the acticle description of Sony's technique, the CD plays in a normal CD player, or a DVD player, however when put into a PC it autoruns and starts a little, quite good looking player, and plays the CD using this player.

    Now if I use Media Player, or Real to play the CD, it still works, but if I try to rip the CD, each track errors about 5 seconds in.

    By the looks of things, the CD based player software has digital versions of the songs embedded in it. According to the player the tracks are encoded at 47kps.

    It's clearly labelled as "Copy Controlled" on the front and back of the CD. It is not described anywhere on the media as a "CD", nor does the Phillip's logo appear. Minimum listed specs are Windows 95, Pentium II, 4Mb RAM. But as you can still play it using your normal computer, I guess those specs are for their little specific player.

    The point of all this? None really, it does stop you ripping the music, but it's still playable from everywhere else, your CD player, your DVD, or your own player software. Almost seems reasonable when you think about it.

  41. Immature by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DRM is new now, but we should be discussing what happens when it matures.

    Depends on what you mean by matures; attitudes towards DRM don't seem particularly "mature" to me. Short of turning every western country into a draconian state with no freedom to do anything `unapproved' with a computer (including all those embedded ones) - a lot of hard work if you ask me - the music and film industries will *never* be able to change things back to how they were before.
    'Mature' DRM would exploit new media, not attempt to suffocate it (current DRM technology just reflects these attitudes). But I think there are too many vested interests in the old way of doing things...

    Until someone invents a key ring technology for digital rights, I'm buying nothing with copy protection.

    I'm not doing that either. I'll just wait until someone cracks the protection and get a copy of that instead. More useful for me, but no money in that for Mr.Sony (*sob*! Just picture the faces of his ickle kiddies when there's no food on the table- remember, MP3 KILLS CHILDREN. JUST SAY NO.)

    Sony can go to hell until they stop trying to charge me 10 times to listen to 1 CD where *they* want me to listen to it.

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  42. Why do they even try? by defile · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The first download of the electronic key that goes with a CD is free. SME plans to charge about A5200 (US$1.64) per song for the second time onwards, Ide said. Users cannot opt to just decode one song from a CD, but have to purchase the key for the entire CD, he said.

    Why are they even trying? Off the top of my head I can get at this data by using...

    • LD_PRELOAD: Load a wrapper for write(). If the file descriptor is the audio device, record the data to a file. By far the simplest and most effective approach.
    • ptrace(): Attach to the player, capture write() calls to the audio device, saving the raw data to a file instead. Trickier but cooler, I think.
    • Load a kernel module which intercepts the write() system call against the audio device. Some of these may already exist for dealing with realplayer, etc.
    • Write a bogus audio driver that saves to a file instead of communicating with a sound card. Tutorials on doing this exist and are pretty simple to achieve even for novice C programmers.
    • Wait for some h4x0rs to discover how the content is encoded, capture the key as it's sent over the network (I doubt they're sophisticated enough to guard for man-in-the-middle attack, and if so, see above for ways to get at data). Use the key to decrypt the content at your leisure.
    • Since smart people aren't working for this cause, their peon programmers likely developed an in-house cipher which sucks ass. Wait for a teenager to crack the cipher and post his/her results.

    Oh, what's that? The player is Windows only? That's OK, use WINE to translate the Windows API calls into easy-to-tinker with UNIX calls. Same steps above apply under WINE you know (and why stop there? Think about Counter-Strike cheats)

    Hmm, it doesn't run under WINE? No problem, VMWare to the rescue!

    Oh, you're not a programmer you say? That's alright. Just hook your sound card output to a recorder instead.

    Or put a tape recorder up to your speakers for that retro teenage 80s style pirate action.

    Basically, it has been cracked before it has even been released. It is hopeless and will just inconvenience casual users at best. If anything, casual users will now start seeking ways to rip the content, causing them to become better acquainted with how to break copy control.

  43. Music is not an commodity product. by Valdrax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a product inconvenience, making the product less desirable. The free market always solves these problems in the end.

    What free market?

    You seem to be under the illusion that music is an undifferentiated market where all the products are interchangeable like wheat or crude oil. This is known in economics as perfect competition. Sadly, it doesn't happen in most real-world products people buy. The market for music is an imperfect competition, and it's hardly an open market right now.

    Instead there is an oligopoly controlling music currently. All it takes is for the major members of the RIAA to band up together to introduce a scheme like this (which they are all in the process of doing) and 99% of the music you hear on the radio will only be accessible via this format.

    Then what? Where does your average consumer get their Christina Aguilera, their Faith Hill, their Enimem, etc.? What competing publisher publishes the particular artists and even whole genres that they like? No one does. There isn't a wide variety of sources from which to get an artist's song that you like. Oh, if you're "indy," you can go underground to the local artist from your city, but 90%+ of the population likes what they hear on the radio, and what they hear on the radio is what the RIAA pays independent promoters to have them play.

    So what if people buy less CDs because the TCO is higher? As long as they pay the same total amount of money, the RIAA is doing well. Heck, it even saves them money because they don't have to promote nearly as many artists if fewer CDs will make them more money through pay-for-play arrangements. The masses will continue to "vote with their dollars" to pay for these schemes when they're the only source of music that they like. The "free market" will decide this one for us because that market isn't truly free.

    You're right on one point. It's not a basic humanitarian right to listen to popular music. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be upset about being forced to pay more for goods while their utility decreases. It may not be "some fundamental God-given right," but it's certainly not fair and just treatment. It's someone making like a tinge less enjoyable for millions of people to greatly profit a few. It's like spam that way. The level of inconvenience that one person suffers is inconsequential, but the level of inconvenience that the total mass of affected people suffers is inexcusable -- especially when it's all done just to pump money out of people with providing them any benefit.

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  44. New protectable format. by dogfart · · Score: 5, Funny
    Game's over. A way to definitively stop music piracy has been found. Note the following:


    Music Industry Unveils New Piracy-Proof Format:
    A Black, Plastic Disc With Grooves On It


    Music bosses have unveiled a revolutionary new recording format that they
    hope will help win the war on illegal file sharing which is thought to be
    costing the industry millions of dollars in lost revenue.

    Nicknamed the 'Record', the new format takes the form of a black, vinyl
    disc measuring 12 inches in diameter, which must be played on a specially
    designed 'turntable'.

    "We can state with absolute certainty that no computer in the world can
    access the data on this disc," said spokesman Brett Campbell. "We are also
    confident that no-one is going to be able to produce pirate copies in this
    format
    without going to a heck of a lot of trouble. This is without doubt the best
    anti-piracy invention the music industry has ever seen."

    As part of the invention's rigorous testing process, the designers gave some
    discs to a group of teenage computer experts who regularly use file swapping
    software such as Limewire and gnutella and who admit to pirating music CDs.
    Despite several days of trying, none of them were able to hack into the
    disc's code or access any of the music files contained within it.

    "It's like, really big and stuff," said Doug Flamboise, one of the testers.
    "I couldn't get it into any of my drives. I mean, what format is it? Is it,
    like, from France or something?"

    Teenage computer hackers struggled to access the new disc. In the new format,
    raw audio data in the form of music is encoded by physically etching grooves
    onto the vinyl disc. The sound is thus translated into variations on the
    disc's surface in a process that industry insiders are describing as
    'completely revolutionary' and 'stunningly clever.'

    To decode the data stored on the disc, the listener must use a special
    player which contains a 'needle' that runs along the grooves on the record
    surface, reading the indentations and transforming the movements back into
    audio that can be fed through loudspeakers.

    Even Shawn Fanning, the man who invented Napster, admits the new format will
    make file swapping much more difficult. "I've never seen anything like
    this", he told reporters. "How does it work?"

    Pirates: Their days are numbered. As rumours that a Taiwanese company has been
    secretly developing a 12 inch wide, turntable -driven, needle-based, firewire
    drive remain unconfirmed, it would appear that the music industry may, at
    last, have found the pirate-proof format it has long been searching for.
    BR
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    1. Re:New protectable format. by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 3, Informative
      "We can state with absolute certainty that no computer in the world can access the data on this disc," said spokesman Brett Campbell. "We are also confident that no-one is going to be able to produce pirate copies in this format"

      Once again, the industry didn't realise that computers can already read LPs.

      Besides, I already copied a bunch of my parents' old LPs to CD by running the connection from the amp output into my machine. The pops and scratches were cleaned out by a simple low-pass FFT filter in audacity and everything was good to go for CD burning.

      (Note: I do recognise that the parent post is a joke.)

  45. A little thing called ANALOG IN and OUT by Monofilament · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well if everybody is really concerned about making a copy of a CD.. I know its a damn pain.. but how about a little thing called ANALOG OUT and ANALOG IN on most sound cards... I mean there really is no way that the CD can tell that your analog out is not going to a set of speakers... Thus you just port it into another record.. record the songs through analog and some good sound cables and save it as a wav file.. then make your own CD.. all this technology is readily available... I know it sucks to do it this way .. and it sucks even more that stupid music companies think ill thought ideas like this will solve their piracy problems. But really people.. it sounds like a lot of people think these schemes really bring an end to the copying of their CD's of making of MP3's onto their computers from the CD's they buy..

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  46. Vinyl far form unhackable! by Cyno01 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Anyone else remember this? Oh yeah, and there's that pesky audio in jack, but i assume that the RIAA will soon be coming door to door and filing those with putty, rendering the use of chisels, paper-clips and anythign else that could dig out the putty a felony under the DMCA.

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  47. But they're giving the music away anyway by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a rather nice collection of music tracks (on MP3) and music videos (in MPEG) that I've collected over the past couple of years.

    I have all the latest top-10 tracks (that interest me) and lots of other less mainstream stuff as well.

    And guess what -- I haven't bought a music CD for years.

    Nor have I ever used a P2P network for getting this stuff.

    Nor have burned copies of someone else's CDs

    Just how did I accumulate this wonderful collection of music and videos?

    I recorded them from free-to-air broadcasts, that's how.

    Given the fidelity limitations of MP3, an FM stereo or stereo TV broadcast is more than the equal of most CD rips.

    Now, if the recording industry want to sell public performance rights to broadcasters, and if the likes of Sony want to sell me the gear I need to record from these radio and TV broadcasts -- how on earth can they complain later that I don't buy their CDs?

    Just throw a TV/radio tuner card in your PC and you too can quickly accumulate a great music collection at no cost -- and without the hassles of circumventing CD copy-protection or getting caught file-swapping over the Net.

    So what's the recording industry going to do about it? Make recording radio/TV transmissions illegal?

    I don't think so.

    Let's face it -- people have been recording music (and movies) from FTA broadcasts for years. Maybe they're just starting to realise that any business model which relies on selling something people are already getting for free might be fatally flawed.

    1. Re:But they're giving the music away anyway by dmaxwell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Given the fidelity limitations of MP3, an FM stereo or stereo TV broadcast is more than the equal of most CD rips."

      As far as the 128kb MP3s that are typically shared around on p2p networks go, I agree with you. However, cd audio ripped on a Plextor with cdparanoia and then encoded with a LAME preset like --r3mix is another kettle of fish altogether. I doubt most people could tell difference between those and the original. That is as long as things aren't the way so-called Golden Ears like them. They don't things that contribute to objectivity like double blinded testing. They have to absolutely see the hand built tube amp to KNOW they have quality.

      NewtonsLaw is right, most mp3s that are traded around sound like FM radio taped onto a cassette. I did it when I teenager. What are they getting excited about? Oh yeah, that's right. They tried to kill cassettes too.

  48. VMware won't work by yerricde · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you use a product such a vmware, it's a simple matter to start up windows in a virtual machine with a virtual sound card i.e. vsound.

    Recent versions of Windows Media running on Windows ME and Windows XP will not play copy-restricted audio over unsigned drivers. The driver for VMware audio is not signed.

    "So apply to get the driver signed." Microsoft won't sign a driver unless it turns off all cleartext digital outputs when playing copy-restricted audio, which means that the virtualizer would have to open a Secure Audio Path on the host operating system.

    "Then just use an older Windows OS." And risk newer versions of WiMP not installing.

    "Then just use an older WiMP." And lose support for new proprietary codecs such as Sony's, which is (knowing Sony) probably based on MiniDisc ATRAC3.

    "Then try something else." And risk doing several years of hard time in prison the next time you step into the UK or the USA, both of which have banned circumvention of access restrictions.

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  49. Not out in the cold. by supabeast! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sony is not leaving *NIX and Mac users out in the cold, because they know that their copy-protection scheme WILL be broken by *NIX/Mac geeks who are already used to taking the road less traveled.

    What this scheme will do is make it harder for computer-illiterate young girls (Teenage guys can figure out anything on a computer, so I stick this on the girls.) to rip the latest top 40 hits and share them on P2P networks with all of the other file swappers. This will leave the music being shared on the systems of clueful users, making obvious supernodes that the record companies will be able to hack once they are given vigilante privileges by the US government.

  50. human ears by yerricde · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Only in later years after mass market acceptance did they start calling it "high fidelity"

    However, mass market acceptance wasn't the only factor in calling 16-bit 44.1 kHz stereo "high fidelity". The field of psychoacoustics advanced greatly at that time, and it became apparent that DC-22 kHz frequency response with 110 dB dynamic range and 90 dB signal-to-noise ratio (the difference is due to noise-shaped dithering, which was also developed around that time) was enough to fool the best of human ears.

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  51. Re:Dear Sony... by symbolic · · Score: 3, Insightful



    After reviewing your letter, something dawned on me. You can keep your media, your $25.95, and your humble $95 billion company. I want no part of it. I will immediately cease purchasing any products from Sony or any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. You see, I figure that there is at least one enlightened competitor in the marketplace that can offer a reasonably-priced product with a reasonably fair licensing policy, and it is this competitor that will gain my loyalty as a consumer. While it's obvious that you see customers as a right, and not a valued resource, hopefully my actions will serve as a reminder that this reasoning is seriously flawed. Your competitor may offer a more limited selection, but I value my freedom far more than I value your product.

    Sincerely,

    John Q. Consumer

  52. Copyright != Copy Protection by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm suprised this mistake was not caught. The article has nothing to do with a new copyright system, which is a legal fiction. The article is about a new copy protection/restriction system.

    This appears to actually be part of the copyright cartel's plan. First they twist the meaning of Pirate to include bootlegging, now copy protection becomes copyright, giving it a whole new outlook.

  53. It's not the DRM that bothers me, but... by ShadowDrake · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The attempt to "slip it under the door."

    For a comparison, look at say, a VideoDisc (them big old record-like things). There's no way you'd ever confuse it with a VHS casette, and as such, not really expect it to work similarly. This, it looks like a CD, is marketed similarly to a CD, fills a similar niche to a CD, yet strangely isn't a CD.

    If you want to do a DRM format, make it very different. How about the size and shape of a British two-pound coin? This benefits you in several ways:

    1. Completely new and potentially propriatery player base, no need to worry about some old equipment designed in a way that can look through your attempts to maintain compatibility and DRM in one disc. I can easily see them giving away free DRM-disc players, perhaps with the purchase of some number of discs, to buy market share.

    2. No problems with people returning "broken" discs because they thought they were CDs that work properly.

    Consumers also win because they can make intelligent purchasing decisions, and not have to guess if a disc will work or not; it also allows them to see the true effect for them of DRM (because market penetration will probably never be 1000%, you'll probably see both CD and DRM-D releases together, and be able to compare sound quality and price.

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  54. In 5 years there will be 30 artists by gelfling · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's it. 30. Imagine that not only is there only bubblegum/R+B/chick/pop/girl-boy band/white rap hybrid muzak sludge but you have to pay to listen to it. You have to pay to not listen to it. You have to pay to complain about it.

    They future's so bright I need a welding mask.