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Massive Two Towers Battle

ShadowLight writes ""In December vast hordes of eager filmgoers will mob cineplexes across the land and witness, at the climax of The Two Towers, one of the most anticipated scenes in recent movie history: the great Battle of Helm's Deep." This article talks about the software, named Massive, used to create this 50,000 creature battle."

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  1. Re:I only hope..... by miu · · Score: 1, Informative
    I only hope they got around to hiring a script supervisor by the time they started shooting the footage for the second movie. LOTR was so full of inconsistencies it ALMOST detracted from the movie.

    I think this must have happened while editing for length was going on. The extended release is much more coherent.

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  2. Re:The AI used by br0ck · · Score: 5, Informative

    You've heard an exaggeration from the previous SlashDot article.

    In another early simulation, Jackson and Regelous watched as several thousand characters fought like hell while, in the background, a small contingent of combatants seemed to think better of it and ran away. They weren't programmed to do this. It just happened. 'It was spooky.' Jackson said in an interview last year.

  3. Diagram of Helm's Deep battle by Allen+Varney · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Two Towers Visual Companion, a movie tie-in, features a nice four-page foldout illustrating the battle's progress. (N.B. The book's foreword, by Viggo Mortensen (who played Aragorn), is worth a read. Maybe I'm a bigot, but I hadn't expected an actor's commentary to be so perceptive and nuanced.)

  4. Re:I only hope..... by mrjive · · Score: 3, Informative

    FYI:

    This is the list of all the known inconsistencies in FotR. Some of them are actually quite simple and some are rather amusing.

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  5. Re:I only hope..... by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's like in Saving Private Ryan when the medic gets shot in the kidney and starts spurting strawberry syrup, when anyone who's looked into human anatomy could have told them what a kidney wound should look like. They just about killed what should have been a very good scene by not buying a .25$ thing of brown food coloring.

    Uh... the kidneys are positively packed full of arterial blood. When wounded in the kidney, one does, for all practical purposes, spew strawberry syrup. Arterial blood is a bright, almost improbable, red. Like stop-sign red, or fire-engine red.

    Girlfriend's a surgical resident. She brings home snapshots of her operations on the digital camera. When she did a trauma surgery rotation, one of the injuries she had to treat was a kidney lac. Strawberry syrup was everywhere.

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  6. I love this game by mekkab · · Score: 5, Informative

    okay, lesse,

    Citizen Cain,
    Thelma & Louis,
    Crying Game
    Titanic
    The sixth sense

    This game is GREAT!

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  7. Re:I don't know why anyone by Patik · · Score: 3, Informative
    They can do anything, they have BIG computers.
    They have effects that fit seamlessly into the video? They have entire films of CG humans that are indistinguishable from real humans?

    Sorry, but I think they've got a ways to go, and I'm really interested to see what these movies can do to raise the bar.

  8. Re:I only hope..... by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 5, Informative

    My bad, the wound was to the liver, not the kidney. From what I've read and seen it should have been dark, almost black.

    You read wrong. Liver lacs are just like kidney lacs; they positively spew arterial blood, because of the dense vascularization of the organ. Now the liver produces bile, but it doesn't actually contain bile. Bile is held in the gall bladder, but only a very small quantity of it. And it's a pale, translucent green, not black at all.

    If you have a bowel perforation, it's possible for fecal matter to leak out into the belly, and from the belly out through an open wound or incision. But that's kinda... well, it looks kinda like tiny nuggets of mud embedded in blood or bile. It's not really black, either.

    Realistic depictions of serious injuries are really not that interesting to look at; everything is one color, the bright red of arterial blood, and one texture, the texture of raw meat.

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  9. Re:Fuzzy Logic by dlakelan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Look up info on Fuzzy expert systems.

    In general a fuzzy expert system has a slew of if-then rules.

    Each If-then rule has a condition that is expressed as a fuzzy membership function, and a consequent that is expressed as a fuzzy membership function.

    All the if-then rules are applied "in parallel" to produce a set of fuzzy output sets. These fuzzy output sets are combined in a process called defuzzification (there are many algorithms for this) to produce a definite action (ie. move forward).

    The very cool thing about fuzzy rules is that they are generally expressed in terms of linguistic statements that make sense, as in

    "if attacked then fight_back" and
    "if attacked_heavily then retreat".

    attacked, fight_back, attacked_heavily, and retreat are all "fuzzy sets" (usually represented as arrays).

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  10. More information on WETA and their infrastructure by CrackHappy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here is an interesting article which addresses some of WETA's other issues in creating the film, and talks a little about their uses of Linux as their core OS.

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  11. To answer the question by friday2k · · Score: 5, Informative

    It runs on Irix and Massive is being ported to Linux. Quote: From the beginning of preproduction, Weta Digital has also used the IRIX OS-based Octane visual workstations to write extensions to Maya and create proprietary technology. This technology includes Massive, a custom-built crowd animation or "artificial ecology" system developed on IRIX and now ported to Linux that draws from a huge database of motion-capture data. (see here).

  12. Re:Slower than Doom III by Chris+Brewer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Where's the mod for "Hook, Line, and Sinker"?

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  13. Re:The AI used by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The actual quote is:
    "Strange game. The only winning move is not to play."

  14. Re:The AI used by TheGrimace · · Score: 5, Informative

    Only somewhat true. Check out snopes for a more accurate (although less humourous) rendition and the true origins of this not quite urban legend.

  15. The Silmarillion. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, there is a plot. There are five parts.

    Ainulindale, the music of the Ainur. It began with Eru, the One, whom the Elves call Iluvatar. His thoughts became the Ainur, the most mighty of whom were called the Valar (the others were Maiar). As Iluvatar created and shaped Arda, the world, Melkor, mightiest of the Valar, tried to shape the world in his image, to achieve dominance. He rebelled against Iluvatar and was from then on known as Morgoth.

    Valaquenta. Mostly an enumeration of the fourteen Valar (after his fall, Melkor was not counted among them), and the most important of the Maiar, such as Sauron and the Balrogs.

    Quenta Silmarillion. Something about two lamps being destroyed by Morgoth and the Sun and Moon being created to replace them. The First Age starts with the creation of the Sun and ends with Morgoth's final defeat by the Valar. There's some stuff about Silmarils in there, too.

    Akallabeth. As a reward for their service to the Valar, the men who fought with them (the Dunedain, "men of the west") were given a great island which they called Numenor. They built a great empire, but were deceived by Sauron, who told them that if they defeated the Valar and took possession of their forbidden land, Valinor, that they too would become immortal. The last king of Numenor, Ar-Pharazon, tried this, and the Valar called upon Iluvatar to reshape the world. Numenor sunk into the sea (though a few escaped), and Valinor was removed from the plane of the world.

    Of The Rings of Power and the Third Age. Sauron forges the twenty rings of power. The Last Alliance of men and elves defeats him, ending the Second Age. Isildur refuses to destroy the ring; he is killed by the orcs and it is lost. It passes to Gollum, and that's where LOTR begins.

    This is from a quick skimming of The Encyclopedia of Arda. See, when "Gil-galad" or "Morgoth" are mentioned, I can look them up and find out what the heck he's talking about.

    If someone has actually read the Silmarillion, feel free to correct me. I'm leaving out quite a bit and possible screwing other stuff up. (For instance, the dwarves were first-created after the Ainur, but the elves awoke first.)

    --grendel drago

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    1. Re:The Silmarillion. by Linknoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've read it. Actually, most of the book is Quenta Silmarillion. The other parts are kind of like an introduction and a followup on what happened afterwards. Shelob, the giant spider who shows up near the end of TTT, was the last child of Ungoliant. Morgoth, whom Sauron had only been a servant of, offered the two trees, Telperion (which the white tree in Gondor was in the image of) and Laurelin, that Yavanna (another of the Valar) had created to light middle earth. Ungoliant would have killed Morgoth after consuming the trees, but Morgoth's Balrogs came and rescued him. Anyway, once the trees were destroyed, the only place where the glory of them was preserved was in the Silmarils, which Feanor had created (two leaves that were saved, one from each tree, and carried by 2 Maiar to become the Sun and the Moon). Yavanna asked for the Silmarils so she might try to save the trees, but Feanor refused. While the elves and valar were arguing about what to do, Morgoth broke into Feanor's home and stole the Silmarils. When Feanor found out what happened, he and his sons swore an oath that they would not rest until the Silmarils were in their possession. They followed Morgoth to Middle Earth, killing kin along the way and getting banned from returning, and waged a long war against Morgoth and his servants. Most of the Silmarillion is the story of that war. Feanor died right away in battle, but his sons had to keep their oath for many millenia. Finally Earendil, son (or was it grandson) of Beren (who had cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown with the help of Luthien), took the Silmaril and sailed for the forbidden land of Aman, where the Valar and the elves who had not followed Feanor lived. He convinced the Valar to get in the act, but he was not permitted to return to middle earth. Instead, he was to carry the Silmaril across the heavens, which is where the light came from in the Phial that Galadriel gave to Frodo. Anyway, the Valar finally got in the act and broke Morgoth's stronghold, Thangorodrim, and banished him from the world. Sauron fled rather than submit to the Valar. But that leaves out all the stories of the war between the elves and Morgoth, which is most of the story. Sauron took new form and gained favor with the elves, and they made their rings of power, and when he had fasioned The One Ring, he demanded the other rings be turned over to him because they had been made from his knowledge. But Celebrimor had made the 3 most powerful, Nalya, Nenya, and Vilya, and when Sauron put on his right, the elves became aware of him and hid the three, and did not use them. After the Last Alliance, when Isildur cut the ring from Sauron's hand, Isildur travelled north, and thinking all the enemy had been destroyed, didn't realize the ring attracted orcs. His company was ambushed, and he escaped via the ring, but while he swam away, the ring slipped from his finger into the Anduin, and the orcs saw him and shot him. There it laid until Smeagol found it, and well, the rest is found in LotR, for the most part. Hope that helps a bit. It's a long and challenging read, with many, many names of people and places, don't expect a LotR type story.

  16. Re:No one believed me... by kpansky · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, but you're missing the point. It was _the_ first movie to use computers in a very direct and visible way. The first time you saw a character "glow" was the very first combination of live action and computer animation in a seamless (more or less) way.

    Truly revolutionary. Sorta like the first guy to combine peanuts and beer.

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  17. Re:I like this movie and all, but where are the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Geographically, what you're describing is the location of the second evil of Middle Earth, Sauron. The first evil, Morgoth, made his home much farther north and rather west of Mordor. Those southern and eastern landmarks for evil were only found in the second wave, not the first.