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Cell Phones for the Deaf

nitzan writes "Quoting from the article: 'the software translates the voice on the other side of the line into a three dimensional animated face on the computer, whose lips move in real time synch with the voice allowing the receiver to lip read.' Unfortunately this only works with laptops, but a pda version is in the works." The company website has a demonstration.

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  1. Can you hear me now? by Cap'n+Canuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    Still no?

    Ok, can you hear me now? Still no?

    Ok....

  2. Oh, great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...so now we'll all have to learn how to sign "Turn off your fucking phone, asshole!"

    1. Re:Oh, great... by sczimme · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Yes, because the deaf person is bound to have the ringer turned way up...

      Oy.

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    2. Re:Oh, great... by Waab · · Score: 5, Funny

      I believe this particular sign has already been standardized and is currently in use by 99% of the American driving population.

      .!..

      !!.. if you're from the other side of the pond.

  3. Technology overkill by tyler_larson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What was wrong with speech to text?

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    1. Re:Technology overkill by Ted_Green · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually speech to text is much more reliable.

      Text to speech:

      1. person speaks
      2. software interprets phonetics converts it into words
      3. deaf person reads the words

      versus

      1. person speaks
      2. software interprets phonetics into picture based lip movements
      3. deaf person interprets picture based lip movements

      Point of fact this is unbelievably dumb and is right up there with converting Russian to German for an English speaker to read.

    2. Re:Technology overkill by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Insightful


      "2. software interprets phonetics converts it into words"

      Is a very different, much more complex problem than:

      "2. software interprets phonetics into picture based lip movements"

      Consider that for the first example, we need the computer to understand the language,
      whereas in the second example, all the computer needs is a fourier transform and
      Max Headroom anatomy.

      Personally, I think it would be simpler and more effective to put a
      camera on the phone and transmit an image of the speakers face.

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    3. Re:Technology overkill by sakeneko · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Point of fact this is unbelievably dumb and is right up there with converting Russian to German for an English speaker to read.

      Very well put!

      I've had deaf friends, one of whom attended Gallaudet University. (Famous liberal arts college for the deaf.) In addition, I lost most of my hearing for some years as a child -- fortunately, I got it back after surgery. I've thought about deafness, and dealt with it.

      Lip-reading works best for people who were hearing at one point and lost some or all of their hearing. I went deaf after I learned to talk, and went deaf slowly, which means I relied heavily upon it. People who have always been deaf often find lip-reading very difficult, or even impossible. When you have no concept of hearing or sound, trying to figure out what meaning is associated with specific lip movements is tough.

      This is true of learning to read, as well. A person who was already speaking, or could read, before going deaf has no real problem with reading. If you can't hear and never have heard, though, the concept of an alphabet and "sounding it out" makes no sense. A congenitally deaf person who wants to learn to read must learn each word as a whole, much as a Chinese or Japanese person who learns to read his/her language must learn each character separately.

      Since a congenitally deaf person faces a humongous task regardless of whether he/she is learning to read lips, or read and write, just which one do you think he/she would rather have to learn? In most cases, learning to read and write is going to be a lot more useful.

      From where I sit, speech to text would work better for most deaf people, congenitally deaf or not.

  4. What about TTY? by genka · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I worked with deaf people for a while and they were (and I am sure still are) disappointed that cell phones are not compatible with TTY devices. How difficult is this to do?

  5. Good idea and good start but.... by BWJones · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a fantastic idea which will enable communication for the vast numbers of hearing impaired, however if the web-site is any indication, the technology needs improvement. I'm pretty good at reading lips and I was working pretty hard to figure out what was being said with the sound off.

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  6. Uhhh... by NilObject · · Score: 5, Funny

    Being a severely hearing impaired person, I do find the virtual person's "O"'s to be highly disturbing if not graphic. Yikes.

  7. Speaking from experience by FunkyELF · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I lived with a deaf room-mate last year. It took me about 2 months for me to understand what he was saying, and took him about the same to get used to my lips. Anytime he meets someone new, its very hard for him to read their lips (i.e. every time a new telemarketer tries to prey on the deaf user). Also, its not just the lips, its the tounge also. It'd probably be easier to use speach-> text software than this stuff....and what about background noise? I doubt this thing works well if not at all.

  8. This doesn't really do much... by Cyclopedian · · Score: 5, Informative
    Lip reading is only half the whole "info-stream" that comes out of peoples mouths. I know this. I'm deaf (severe to profound sensori-neural hearing loss, since birth) and I'll tell you one thing: lip-reading can give ambiguous results.

    Someone can say "Pot" and yet with the same lip movement, can also say "My". Men with bushy mustaches are a lip-reading disaster.

    For me, I've adapted in my own way: I rely heavily on my hearing aids. That combination of both lip-reading and hearing the audio stream from your mouth enables me to achieve at least a 70% success rate (under ideal conditions, if it's a party atomosphere, fudgeddaboutit). I've had hearing aids since I was 1 1/2, and only with extensive speech therapy can I speak well. I'm one of the few deaf-from-birth people that can do it this well. So, from that perspective, I can speak on a phone (as long as I can understand that mangled audio coming out the receiver, which is 0%).

    Why don't they just focus on speech recognition? A great speech recognition phone would enable deaf people that speak to use phones for near real-time conversations. In addition, such technology can also be (easily?) adapted to foreign language translators for tourists.

    However, until such technology is available at the consumer level, I'm stuck with two-way text messaging devices like the T-Mobile SideKick.

    -Cyc

  9. Read My Lips by bytesmythe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought it seemed a little weird at first, but then I checked out the other demos. When I knew what the words were ("Thank you" in English, German, French, Spanish, and Japanese), I could easily tell what was being said.

    I notice a lot of people complaining about improving text-to-speech, which is far more advanced than this technology. Speech sounds come out in a continuous flow. Getting a computer to recognize the breaks between words, properly spell them reliably, etc. is hard enough on a desktop system, much less a PDA. Especially considering in languages like English, where most vowels in unstressed syllables are rendered vocally as "uh".

    This system simply has to hear a sound, and immediately display an associated... well, not "grapheme", since this isn't writing... maybe "pixeme". It is the graphical equivalent of attempting to spell perfectly phonetically.

    Also, if you didn't notice it, "invisible" sounds that occur on the back of the tongue are indicated by circles on the cheeks (like hard 'g' and 'k'), and nasal sounds are indicated by a darkening of the nose.

    All in all, I think this is an interesting idea. It will be even cooler when they can render different faces so the "avatar" resembles the person to whom you're speaking.

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  10. The reasons this is better than speech-to-text by zipwow · · Score: 5, Informative

    Partly, because speech to text isn't very good.

    Speech to text isn't very good because its very hard to turn phonetics into words. Our ability to understand people is very reliant on context. Knowing what's been said helps you understand what's being said.

    Some will say that speech to text is getting fairly good in English, which is somewhat true. Obviously, though, there are bigger markets in other languages.

    So how does this thing work, if it doesn't do speech to text? It does speech to phonetics, and phonetics to lips.

    For example, its relatively easy to understand when someone has said "h -ee- r", but knowing if that's supposed to be "here" or "hear" is quite difficult.

    This is why the same software works across languages. "Th" is "Th" in any language, and your single algorithm doesn't have to care.

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  11. Finally a solution for illiterate deaf people! by techstar25 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is clearly a solution for the large population of completely illiterate deaf people, for whom speech-to-text is not an option.

  12. I can see one advantage to this... by jhines0042 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... if you have this software running on a phone then if you are hearing impared you could get real time conversation with the other party without having to go through a human being.

    I've spoken with a hearing impared person on a phone before through a TTY system and it is painfully slow. First you have to say your sentence and then they send it. Then the other end needs to read it, type in a response, and then send it at which point it is read back to you. Imagine having a conversation over an Instant Messenger except you're secretary was reading the screen and typing for you. (IM for the blind for example)

    I agree that we need better voice to text and text to voice translation. That technology would give use better access for everyone. You could have "hearing" for the hearing impared (speech to text), "reading" for the vision impaired (text to speech), and you could even have "writing" for those with fine muscle control imparement or who are lacking the necessary limbs for various reasons.

    But this is an interesting approach to solve one of the three problems.

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  13. Lightbulbs for the Blind by egg+troll · · Score: 5, Funny

    Reading this makes me realize that my Lightbulbs for the Blind scheme was not crazy! Bundles of cash, here I come!

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