Mozilla 1.2 Unleashed

asa writes "Mozilla 1.2 has just been released. New to this version are features like Type Ahead Find, basic toolbar customization (text/icons/both), support for GTK themes on Linux, multiple tabs as startpage, Link Prefetching, "filter after the fact" and filter logging in Mail, Palm sync for Mozilla addressbook on MS Windows, and more. This is the latest stable release from mozilla.org, and all users of Mozilla 1.0, Mozilla 1.0.1, Mozilla 1.1 or any of the alpha/beta/release candidates are encouraged to upgrade to this release. You can get builds and more info at the Mozilla releases page and you can find daily Mozilla news and discussion at mozillaZine.org."

Comments

Re:Anyone still using Mozilla?

[ciryon]

I'm using Phoenix in Linux but Mozilla in Mac OS X.

Mozilla is a good, stable browser with lot's of plugins available. It you have a fast computer it's probably a better choice than Phoenix.

Ciryon

New roadmap

[edgrale]

For those of you who are interested, here is a link to the new roadmap

source: mozillazine.org

Re:Anyone still using Mozilla?

[mirko]

Actually, as Phoenix is a cut-down version of Mozilla, it means we shall soon "type ahead" with it too.
BTW, Mozilla is better for those who also want an integrated mailer, we're not discussing the very same app, here...

Re:Anyone still using Mozilla?

[colinramsay]

I don't know if that was a play on words or a reference to Type Ahead Find, but either way Type Ahead Find is a feature of the latest Phoenix milestone.

Re:Anyone still using Mozilla?

[IamTheRealMike]

Er, yes. I find Moz to be plenty fast enough, and I use a truckload of extensions which don't quite work in Pheonix yet.

I don't really see what all the fuss is about, I'm using XFT builds for Redhat 8 that Blizzard puts out and they're snappy and look great. I did try Phoenix when I was on Windows, but found it to be no faster than Mozilla but with fewer features. I might try it again in a bit, but Moz is just fine for me.

I'm waiting on Galeon 2 myself, at least then it'll integrate well with gnome.

New flash player, too

[darCness]

In case you weren't aware, a new Flash player for GNU/Linux
has been released too. It's recommended that you upgrade to this version if you're
going to use Mozilla 1.2. Unfortunately, audio seems
to be broken (at least for me under Mandrake GNU/Linux 8.1).

I've filed a bug report with Macromedia about this. Keep
it in mind if you upgrade.

shame there aren't more users

[DrSkwid]

less than 7% of my million monthly hits are something other than Internet Explorer

it's a damn shame esp. when Mozilla is now the superior product.

Re:shame there aren't more users

[G-funk]

Mozilla now is like ie 3/4 at the time... A far better product to use (standard compliance not withstanding), but as stable as a 2 legged stool.

I love mozilla, I use 1.0 all the time under linux at work, but it just can't cut the mustard when it comes to windows. It was a sad moment when I had to return the little "e" to my quicklaunch bar after a few weeks of bittersweet mozilla pain.

Re:shame there aren't more users

[Plutor]

I'm not entirely sure where you got this impression of Mozilla. I started using it around M8 or so, and at that point I would have agreed. But ever since it hit 1.0 (and even arguably before that), it has been as stable as MSIE. I have used Mozilla exclusively for my web browsing needs for the past couple years, and I could not be more happy with it. Cheers to asa and the rest of the Mozilla crew for making a high-quality product I'm extremely happy with!

I can't remember the last time Mozilla crashed on me.

Re:shame there aren't more users

[rseuhs]

You should really try Phoenix. It's very stable (I only had 2 crashes in 2 or 3 months of near-exclusive use) and fast.

Also very nice is the fact that Phoenix needs not to be installed. It just works anywhere you unzip it. No registry problems, no risk of destroying settings, etc. And when you don't like it you just delete the directory and it's gone. Really gone.

So unlike most other browsers (including IE) you don't risk hosing your system when you install/upgrade.

So I would really recommend you to give it a try.

Re:Why do they all go to GTK/GNOME?

[ultrabot]

Why is it that they all go in for GTK/GNOME not QT/KDE? Are the latter combination more difficult to integrate? Something about the QT license? Better mktg by the GNOME guys?

Something about the QT license. It's GPL or proprietary (it's your choice), while LGPL (the license of GTK) is more corporate-friendly.

Re:funny

[Rovaani]

If you'd read the whole FAQ you are quoting you wold see that

Are anchor (<a>) tags prefetched?
No, only tags w/ a relation type of next or prefetch are prefetched. However, if there is sufficient interest, we may expand link prefetching support to include prefetching tags, which include a relation type of next or prefetch in the future. Doing so would probably help content providers avoid the problem of stale prefetching links.

So content-providers can decide all by themselves if they want to pre-serve the content. Althoug it is possible for a malicious web-site to set pre-fetch headers pointing to third-party web-site , thus draining their bandwidth.

Also:

As a server admin, can I distinguish prefetch requests from normal requests?
Yes, we send the following header along with each prefetch request:
X-moz: prefetch
Of course, this request header is not at all standardized, and it may change in future Mozilla releases.

Please use mozilla net installer

[suds]

Please use the netinstaller (~250kb) which would find a closest mirror for you automatically to download.

Re:Why do they all go to GTK/GNOME?

[Shillo]

In the case of Mozilla, they needed a lightweight windowing system abstraction (on top of which they built their own set of widgets), and gdk was the right choice. GDK is a layer underneath Gtk, and it provides a lightweight portability system sitting directly on Xlib. Qt (AFAIK) has something similar, but Qt's portability layer is canvas-like (again AFAIK), which isn't so convenient if all you want is simplified drawing primitives.

OO.O is benefitting from Ximian work, and that naturally involves GNOME.

Sun/HP/the rest of the CDE people wanted something that can easily replace Motif in all the places where Motif appears. Since this means a lot of legacy pure-C apps, Gtk seemed a natural choice, too.

So in each case, it was a different issue, rather than a single, obviously decisive feature.

As for the technical differences, yes, Gtk and Qt are different, but not as much as the advocates of either like to think (personally I prefer Gtk/GNOME, but the only strong technical reasons I can name are bonobo-activation, atk and gstreamer systems, which I consider uber-cool, but not absolutely essential).

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Re:Anyone still using Mozilla?

[The Original Yama]

Take a look at the Thunderbird/Minotaur Project.

tabbed browsing still "broken"

[X_Caffeine]

I can't believe they still haven't incorporated "single window mode" into the built-in tabbed browsing features of Mozilla. Every person I've talked into trying Mozilla wants to know why windows still open all over the place when they're using tabbed-browsing mode. Instructing them to go find an obscure plug-in, and then configure it, is not an acceptable solution for Joe Mousepad.

P.S. The default theme is impossibly ugly. ORBIT

Re:Immediate theme change?

[Christopher Whitt]

The feature was called Dynamic Theme Switching or something like that. I can't get to bugzilla right now to search on it. I remember that it caused a whole pile of regressions and new bugs and it was backed out. I think there was an intention of giving it another try later, but I would say that any patches that are lying around are probably completely bit-rotted by now.

When mozilla.org recovers from the 1.2 release and slashdotting, try searching for dynamic theme switching in bugzilla.

Christopher

I like "view selection source"

[BroadbandBradley]

hightlight an area of a page, right click and there's an option to "View selection source". which opens the html source and cues it to the area you had selected.

Mozilla is IMHO, the best available.

Re:Anyone still using Mozilla?

[Lord Ender]

The Mozilla html editor is TOP NOTCH. It has never crashed on me. The code it produces is human readable! If you just want a quick, straight-forward HTML page, it is the way to go. Pheonix can't do that.

Re:Anyone still using Mozilla?

[Eil]

Remember that Mozilla is two things, a browser and a development platform.

You bring up an interesting point. If I may nitpick, I've always held that "Mozilla" is two things: a development platform first and a internet communications suite second.

You say "browser," I say "internet communications suite." What's the difference? Well, the former renders web pages but the latter lets you do that and then some. Calling Mozilla (the software) just a browser is like calling Microsoft Office a word processor or calling a PalmPilot an electronic addressbook. When I mean to talk about the portion of Mozilla that renders web pages, I try to refer to it as Mozilla Navigator. Likewise for Mozilla Mail & News, Mozilla Composer, Mozilla Addressbook, and Chatzilla. Referring to these components by names can clear up a lot of confusion that some people have, especially those who aren't familiar with the whole Mozilla project.

Not that I'm going to *insist* that people correct their naming conventions, it's just that my method makes more sense to me.