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Mozilla 1.2 Unleashed
asa writes "Mozilla 1.2 has just been released. New to this version are features like Type Ahead Find, basic toolbar customization (text/icons/both), support for GTK themes on Linux, multiple tabs as startpage,
Link Prefetching, "filter after the fact" and filter logging in Mail, Palm sync for Mozilla addressbook on MS Windows, and more. This is the latest stable release from mozilla.org, and all users of Mozilla 1.0, Mozilla 1.0.1, Mozilla 1.1 or any of the alpha/beta/release candidates are encouraged to upgrade to this release. You can get builds and more info at the Mozilla releases page and you can find daily Mozilla news and discussion at mozillaZine.org."
Now that we have Phoenix, I mean...
So not all things are available unless you use the classic theme-that sux.
This SIG pulled due to lack of funding. (This damn war is costing too much!)
One of the first things I noticed is great speed improvement. For example the directory listing
;)
(which used to take a few mugs of coffee) is now reasonably fast.
Whoohoo. I can finally try to look inside a doxygen generated documentation on a local disc!
For those of you who are interested, here is a link to the new roadmap
source: mozillazine.org
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
In case you weren't aware, a new Flash player for GNU/Linux
has been released too. It's recommended that you upgrade to this version if you're
going to use Mozilla 1.2. Unfortunately, audio seems
to be broken (at least for me under Mandrake GNU/Linux 8.1).
I've filed a bug report with Macromedia about this. Keep
it in mind if you upgrade.
less than 7% of my million monthly hits are something other than Internet Explorer
it's a damn shame esp. when Mozilla is now the superior product.
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
What happened to it? The last time this worked was around 0.95 or so. Having to restart to change themes is, for one thing, primitive, and another, a pain in the butt.
Anybody know what's going on here?
Life's a bitch but somebody's gotta do it.
Moz 1.2 runs great. Fast, stable, the HTTP pipelining is a *gem*.
And, of course, no M$ spyware.
What more can a nerd want?
What about folks who pay-per-byte for network bandwidth?
- prefetching is a browser feature; users should be able to disable it easily
Is there a preference to disable link prefetching?
- Yes, there is a hidden preference that you can set to disable link prefetching. Add this line to your prefs.js file located in your Mozilla profile directory: user_pref("network.prefetch-next", false);
Although I admit link-prefetching may be good, but if it becomes a on-bydefault feature in most browsers, the ones that it will damage are the content providers. Those cannot turn it off (and actually do not have anyway of knowing whether their content is being prefetched (and not potentially viewed at all) or not. Well, I am just whining. Generally, Mozilla seems to be doing great :)
Of course Slashdot mentions every .1 release of Mozilla and Phoenix, but I have seen no mention of the release of Opera 7 beta. It's incredible, but they have actually managed to improve the speed from Opera 6. Especially on sites that are heavy on tables (Slashdot). It's a bit crashy, and configuration dialog is not complete (and I don't like skinned programs), but for the most part is a great step forward from Opera 6.
And sorry for riding on your frist ps0t...
A serious question. OpenOffice started incorporating GTK/GNOME widgets, Mozilla builds support for GTK themes...
Why is it that they all go in for GTK/GNOME not QT/KDE? Are the latter combination more difficult to integrate? Something about the QT license? Better mktg by the GNOME guys?
Anyone has any insights?
A crank is a little thing that makes revolutions
This was posted using Mozilla 1.2
Sex - Find It
However there are certain shortcomings. Number one is that there is no WYSIWYG editor for Mozilla. Something like HTMLArea. There is sort of such editors, but they do not work as nicely as IE WYSIWYG editors. I mean they are not even close to IE editors. So Mozilla should work very hard to bring such features. As the number of applications that use such features increase Mozilla will destined to doom unless it brings such features.
Second there is no support for drag and drop. There is drag and drop but not using onDrag and onDrop type of events which makes the programming extremely simple. That's a must have in my mind.
Third Mozilla for some reason is a little bit slow in Windows. Not the engine itself, but the program. For some reason it feels less responsive compared to IE. I thought that it is because of this skin, someone claimed that that's not the case, I am not sure whether he is right or wrong. But there is no point of having skins on the browser, it is totally stupid, useless. Get rid of the skin thing permanetly. Try to make sure that your program feels like a native application. Mozilla on Mac OS X is somewhat joke. It doesn't feel like a native application.
Mozilla's being standard complaint is good, however on the net lots of articles are written for IE, because of the historical reasons as we know it. So Mozilla should allow the users to make a nicer transition by enabling certain non-standard IE-only features as much as possible.
Before Mozilla I was only using IE, because Netscape was not good enough, even though at first I tried not to use IE. Now with Mozilla that changed a little. I still use IE most of the time, but I like Mozilla too.
Last I heard, Red Hat only ran on x86. Or actually I remember they had an S/390 distro too.
On other x86 distributions, you at least have the hope of using alien to switch the package format. But I use Debian on a PowerPC Macintosh.
I'm pretty sure Macromedia wrote software for the Macintosh before they even had any products for Windows. Flash right now is supported on the Macintosh, so the software is supported on PowerPC architecture.
How about getting us a Flash for Debian PowerPC Linux?
The "Red Hat" only mentality is why I think there isn't much hope of companies succeeding in shipping proprietary products for Linux. People on other distros or architectures get particularly irritated that they can't do whatever the product provides and write an open source replacement, where they wouldn't have bothered if the commercial app supported all the platforms.
If a bunch of volunteers working for no pay can support, what is it? 8000 packages on eleven architectures, why can't a commercial vendor support all the major Linux distros and architectures?
Request your free CD of my piano music.
Please use the netinstaller (~250kb) which would find a closest mirror for you automatically to download.
One of the last uses I had for explorer was to browse CNN. Mozilla 1.1 had problems formatting HTML on some (most) CNN articles;
Upgraded, tested, and now it works like a charm. What is that procedure to remove IE again?
Well, someone had to do it. You can find mirrors here: http://mozilla.org/mirrors.html
Is that prefetch thing such a good idea?
:)
For example, it will prefetch a document from another host that the one you're browsing. In the FAQ they say that they don't see that as a security risk. But I really don't like the idea that I could be tricked into prefetching stuff I don't want by a simple HTML tag (goatse, copyrighted material and other illegal stuff).
Yes it can be disabled but not from the GUI preferences, so many people won't even notice it.
Well I'm probably just being paranoid.
True warriors use the Klingon Google
Unfortunately the net installer will not find it, but there is a complete set of rpms (including SRPMs) for Redhat 8.0 here. It appears to install over Mozilla 1.0.1 (distributed by Redhat) quite nicely.
See my journal, I write things there
Unfortunately, with moz 1.2, my bank no longer accepts the certificate, even though I have a clean, new install. Why? Also, the keyboard shortcuts for tabbed browsing (like ctrl-shift-click), is gone. Why?
I use Moz because the older Phoenix didn't have a Quick Start. Does the new Phoenix support this?
Then Mozilla would be great. When I click on a mailto or news url it would use the programs I want, not the ones AOL wants.
Get a free ipod.
If you like the standard tab browsing setup, you might like to try Tabbrowser Extensions for some nice enhancements to the tab browsing system.
Well, all those things are mirrored pretty heavily. Mozilla is paid for by AOL remember, so it's not such a big deal. For the case of RedHat, I think they are the biggest user of bandwidth on the whole of the east coast, and they are mirrored extensively. Obviously, there is a pretty big difference between 100,000 people downloading a few gigs of data and 10mb.
She can't stand Mozilla. She understands very well why she should avoid IE. But she only uses Mozilla when she absolutely has to, for example to check for interoperability after completing a web page that she wrote while using mostly using IE.
Why? Because she experiences so many bugs with it. The bugs make Mozilla unusable to her. She's not a software developer. She's a regular user of the sort that applications like this are targeting.
She understands very well that her machine can get hacked if she uses IE. But crashes and usability problems happen to her several times a day when she uses Mozilla. The risk of getting hacked seems somewhat theoretical and remote. The crashes and loss of data (for example, forum postings being composed in web forms) are frequent and completely intolerable.
Today I sent her a link to that BBC article that said you shouldn't use IE because of the security holes that are used by spyware and adware. I had observed her using IE a lot lately and wanted her to really understand why she should avoid it. Unfortunately I didn't anticipate how she would react.
She was completely distraught. I looked over at her sitting at her computer this evening and she had tears running down her face, quietly crying. The reason was that she didn't know how she was going to be able to browse the web anymore, because I had just told her in quite a loud way (using the BBC article) why she shouldn't use IE, but she also finds Mozilla completely useless.
I had put her in a bind. She didn't see a way out.
The way I consoled her and resolved the bind was to tell her to go ahead and use IE. She doesn't have much data on her drive that would be a problem if someone stole it, and if she gets hacked I'll reformat the drive and reinstall Win2k.
Meanwhile I told her I would download the new mozilla and test it for her. I was pleasantly surprised to find 1.2 released tonight - I hadn't wanted to give her a beta. So I got it downloaded before the rush.
My fear, though, is that her bugs are not fixed. There are just a few bugs that give her repeated trouble. Tonight she had a repeated crash, one time when she had sixteen windows open while researching medical journal literature, and she had hard time finding her pages again.
Talkback kept popping up and made her really upset because it made it so she couldn't just relaunch Mozilla. I knew that the talkback logs would help the developers get the bugs fixed, but if my wife was to use Mozilla at all I had to show her how to disable talkback.
I'd like to make the polite suggestion that the Mozilla developers focus somewhat less on flashy features and somewhat more strongly on stability and basic usability.
I've got lots of bugs in both reliability and usability on the Linux mozilla I use on my Mac, but I have a greater tolerance for it because I'm a developer, and I'm committed to making open source work. My wife, on the other hand, uses Mozilla because I plead with her to do so. It would be nice if Mozilla didn't make her life miserable.
I convinced her recently to make a serious try at switching from windows to Linux. That's a big step - I've been trying to do that for several years. She hasn't tried it yet because I'm going to have to spend some time configuring a system with the right setup to be able to accomplish all the tasks she wants while also being very usable and reliable. I'm going to really spend some time trying to make her transition as comfortable as possible.
While she was upset tonight she told me that the reason she said she would try Linux was to make me shut up about IE vs. Mozilla, and it hadn't worked - I kept pushing her to use open source tools, and they are unusable for her.
Bonita did file one actual bug report with bugzilla. That's the last she'll ever do, because she found the whole process extremely confusing. I think the big problem is that if you try to file a bug, and don't have a bugzilla account, after your account is created, you're presented with the expert interface and not the simplified one.
I think it would be helpful if there was a dead-simple bug report form that just had a couple lists for the platform and version, and one free-form text input field where the reporter could describe their problem. Then the person who fields the bug reports could translate this into a proper bugzilla report. Don't present people who aren't developers with the bugzilla query page - like Bonita, that will be the last report you ever get from a regular user.
It would also be very helpful if the very first page of the talkback wizard presented the option of disabling it and making it just go away. Having to click through several pages before being allowed to quit talkback is really frightening for someone who just lost all their windows and just wants to launch it again so they can find the pages that just disappeared from their screen.
Read more of what I have to say about the importance of quality in Free Software.
Request your free CD of my piano music.
Privoxy: http://www.privoxy.org/
I can't believe they still haven't incorporated "single window mode" into the built-in tabbed browsing features of Mozilla. Every person I've talked into trying Mozilla wants to know why windows still open all over the place when they're using tabbed-browsing mode. Instructing them to go find an obscure plug-in, and then configure it, is not an acceptable solution for Joe Mousepad.
P.S. The default theme is impossibly ugly. ORBIT
// I will show you fear in a handful of jellybeans.
...that after hearing so much about the user's right to freedom of choice when it comes to browsers, the Mozilla Messenger makes it impossible to use MS Internet Explorer to view the URLs I receive in e-mails.
Yes, I use MSIE for web and Mozilla for e-mail since its IMAP functionalities blow Outlook Express out of the water (actually, it does that just by being bug-free), but why on earth am I not allowed to open links I click in my e-mails with MSIE?
Maybe it's just me, but I think it's ironic that Mozilla is trying to tie me down to its web browser just because I want to use it for e-mail.
So if slashdot wanted to be malicious... it could just put in a prefetch tag into their front page and everyone that visits it is automatically forced to prefetch the 5M file of some competing service :)
Bringing a new meaning to being slashdoted.
-- bartman
Me: You can't use IE! It's unsafe and bad for you!
Wife: But I like it better than Mozilla! Mozilla just doesn't feel like home to me!
Me: You don't understand, IE is BAD for you!
Wife: But...
Me: Bzzz! BAD!
Wife: You insensitive asshole! Why can't you understand when you are hurting my feelings.
I forsee a new book by John Gray: Mozilla is from Mars, IE is from Venus.
hightlight an area of a page, right click and there's an option to "View selection source". which opens the html source and cues it to the area you had selected.
Mozilla is IMHO, the best available.
"The Most Fun Possible on 4 wheels" is at SunBuggy in Las Vegas
This isn't how version numbers work here in MozillaWorld. any release without an alpha/beta/nightly on it is 'stable'. 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 are all 'stable' 'branches' off the unstable 'trunk'. right now the trunk is moving towards 1.3, after some things get settled in stone, they will make a copy of the trunk and start hacking out the bugs and getting it ready for prime-time, after it's reasonably well fixed it will be released as 'stable'. 1.0x are stable, yes, but they are no more stable (and possibly less so) than the 1.1 and 1.2 releases as the focus of most recent development has been on these more feature-filled releases.
"Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
from what i've read you just have to delete the icons ;)
-- john
Opera, as of 6.1, allows you to use your current KDE theme/widgets.
I like music
Some of the mirrors are at educational institutions. For example, http://mirror.ac.uk actually reduces costs for its funding source. Traffic over the UK academic network JANET is nominally free-of-charge IIRC, so it actually saves money by avoiding lots of expensive 700Mb ISO downloads from the States.
Female Prison Rape in NY
Is there a way to enable "single window mode" in Phoenix 0.4?
Exactly my concern as a sysadmin who likes to watch his logs. How do I know what people are clicking on, and what browsers are grabbing for them?
I guess it isn't quite different from web spiders indexing my sites, but this is just one more layer of unimportant data.
- passion
That doesn't seem like proper behavior, you're right. File a bug at bugzilla.mozillla.org. That's the best way to get things changed in most open source projects (besides fixing it yourself)
"Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
You're not going to get your problems solved complaining here. Post some bugs to bugzilla.mozilla.org (after searching to make sure someone else hasn't already posted them) and include the URL for your bank.
I'm using mozilla 1.2 in Windows '98. why won't this page or this other one display all of their images properly, but rather show a broken image link placeholder? Works fine in ie 6.0.
evanchik.net
I agree it does need one in the main tree, and should have one. In the meantime, you can download a workable spellchecker http://spellchecker.mozdev.org/installation.html
Dynamic theme switching was disabled in bug 127784 before Mozilla 1.0. There's also a metabug keeping track of the bugs with dynamic theme switching (134260). Look at the bugs blocking 134260 and blocked by 127784 to get an idea of what kinds of problems Mozilla's dynamic theme switching had.
The shareholder is always right.
So, any web site authors out there who want to see browser competition stay alive, I recommend you give this feature serious thought. Even if you love IE and hate Mozilla, a healty competitive environment will keep the pressure on Microsoft to keep improving IE. (You notice how, once they hit over 90% of the browser market, improvements in IE ground to an almost halt?)
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172097
online secure banking that works in Mozilla 1.1 may not work in Mozilla 1.2. It seems that Moz 1.2 does not send cookies to HTTPS sites, thus preventing some kinds of authentication.
Until this problem is fixed, people who use online banking etc. should stick to Moz 1.1.
Proximitron works in linux under wine.
The linux native console version is called (iirc) privoxy.
no sig.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172097
I downloaded a toolbar that lets me turn graphics, colours and cookies on and off at the click of a button.
This no longer has the little thing at teh side that lets me shrink it down - this was mentioned in the Release Notes.
What I'm puzzling over is why they removed that. Is there any way to make the toolbar shrink up and free screen space now it has gone?
we have ftp [rather than IE] for [downloading Mozilla]
Then how did you download FTP Explorer or some other graphical FTP client for Windows? Or did you really try to navigate the structure of Mozilla's FTP site with the Windows command-line FTP program?
(You wouldn't happen to know KQ of Wikipedia, would you?)
Will I retire or break 10K?
I use Moz's HTML editor because sometimes I need to send HTML formatted email to business customers who need the quick orientation that comes from having bold headings and sub-headings.
That's on your porn site I presume?
Yup... There aren't a whole lot of other types of sites that get that kind of traffic. Besides, I think that porn is one of those truly universal web apps that has a good cross-section from all parts of society. Very representative. My sites by OS:
Windows 98 49.78%
Windows NT 39.13%
Windows 95 4.29%
Macintosh PPC 2.45%
Unknown 1.97%
Windows 3.1x 1.55%
LINUX 0.79%
BSD UNIX 0.02%
SUN OS 0.01%
Macintosh 0.00%
Amiga 0.00%
OS/2 0.00%
HP-UNIX 0.00%
Only if Netscape could be as fast, stable and super un-bloated as Mozilla releases are. I think they might have a chance of gaining some market share. The reason I say this is that I still know people who use Netscape 4 releases and they are die-hard-core fans too.
The sad part is this will never happen. AOL has just polluted that hell out of the new 7.0 releases. Its really sad too, because they done the same to ICQ, the new Winamp 2, Real player and pretty much every other inet company they have eradicated.
+++ David Watts 5495 0.0 0.5 1888 884
I may be mistaken, but didn't the 1.2 beta have a pop-up blocking white list preference? I don't see it now.
This was posted to the SpellChecker Email List on 14 Nov 2002. After 2.5 months without a spellchecker for Mozilla on Win32, someone finally released one that works. See http://mozillacafe.org/MozSpell_1.2f_w32.xpi.
Alternatively, you can download working spellcheckers for Linux and Windows from here.
Just in case anyone wondered, using the spellchecker from http://spellchecker.mozdev.org has not worked for Win32 nightly builds, Mozilla 1.1 or 1.2b releases since the end of August. The spellcheck.xpi from Netscape 7 may work for these Linux builds but does not work for Win32.
"I'm The Bounty Bear. I will find him anywhere. I'm searching."
I've been impressed with the increasing levels of stability. I stuck with Moz 1.1 and just upgraded to 1.2 (not beta software thankyou). Moz 1.1 crashed often enough that I'm still not comfortable ditching Netscape as my mail (and news) client. I only use Netscape 4.7x for mail and news under Windows, and I don't recall the last time it crashed. Mozilla 1.1 crashed several times a week for me. Sometimes it seemed to lose cookies or other configuration data after crashing... so how can I trust it with something important to me like email, especially considering the email client started stabilising much later than the browser? Why oh why did they make it one monolithic binary? It's a horrible design! A browser crash (which I can live with) kills everything else too (which I can't) :(
This is the latest stable release from mozilla.org, and all users of Mozilla 1.0, Mozilla 1.0.1, Mozilla 1.1 or any of the alpha/beta/release candidates are encouraged to upgrade to this release.
Now, I'm not going to challenge asa, but according to the roadmap, the 1.x series doesn't supercede the 1.0.x series. I thought 1.0.x was supposed to be the "stable" series. After having enormous problems with 1.1, I decided to play it safe by sticking with 1.0.x and haven't had any problems yet. Additionally, 1.2 doesn't look to have any must-have features for me.
So what gives?
I noticed that the default RH8 release does not explicitly indicate xft support, as one of the beta releases did. Any information on this?
I'm extremely wary about the new prefetching feature in Mozilla. The Web caching community has tried this from about every angle, but the general consensus of professionals (with one notable exception) is that prefetching is a bad approach.
For one thing, it assumes free bandwidth; not such a hot idea in a lot of places (e.g., Australia, where you pay per Mb).
I've also had network and server administrators calling me in a panic because they're being flooded with requests from a single machine - whoops.
Prefetching is generally pretty antisocial; it says "my browsing experience is so important, damn your network, damn your servers, I'm getting it all!"
This doesn't mean that it isn't of great interest to the research community, of course; go to any caching-related conference and you'll see earnest proposals for prefetching (along with yet more hyper-optimised replacement algorithms... *sigh*).
Specifically, I'm concerned that the Mozilla implementation won't fare any better; in one way, it's better that it uses explicit prefetching hints (rather than some "optimized" algortithm... I hate heuristics), but OTOH it's horrible; this is ripe for abuse by over-zealous webmasters. I wonder how long it'll be before we see a demo of a DOS attack based on this...
Also, not providing a preference UI to control this isn't so bright; Mozilla has matured past the "world is my debugger" stage, at least in this respect. There are legitimate reasons for turning this off; in fact, I think there's a strong argument for turning this off by default.
Since about 0.9.5, this has been my biggest objection to Mozilla.
A new version comes out. Download the whole package. Reinstall. Reset all of your preferences. Reinstall (or at least copy/move) your plugins. Uninstall the old version. Then a new version comes out. Repeat as necessary.
When are they going to add a patch upgrade procedure? This is a real annoyance, and one that they SHOULD be able to work around without much difficulty.
Aside from that, I use it for 99+% of my web life. There are only three sites I go to which don't support it.
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
IE was free and then bundled with the OS long before Mozilla even was a thought. Realistically Ms only began to have competition from Mozilla several months ago when 1.0 came out. That means there were several years between the time Netscape died and when Mozilla became usuable. If MS was going to charge they would have done it by now.
:-)
I also think based on the fact that since Mozilla only makes up like 1% of all web browsers AOL isreally not holding anything over MS's head. Lastly even though I said IE has always been free and bundled, we've really always been paying for IE in one way or another in the cost of windows.
This posted using the greatest pure browser available. Phoenix 1125 build.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
Ever since 1.0, I believe, Mozilla now has had the @lock file in your personal mozilla directory that prevents multiple instances of Mozilla from being running. The way to work with this is to use something like this Mozilla Starter Script, which you use to replace your existing mozilla starter script (the one called "mozilla" that sets the MOZILLA__FIVE_HOME and executes mozilla-bin). This script allows you to specify whether a new window opens for each new instance or just have it open the URLs in a new tab. I've been using it for a while and I find it very handy.
As subject, if you look under the Red_Hat_8x_RPMS folder in the mozilla-1.2 directory, there is now two folders: vanilla and xft , with pre-built RPMs! Get them now from a mirror...
Now if only I'd waited a couple of hours ;-)
" To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. "
Very weird. Why did they take it off? I liked it a lot.
You can still disable popups using preferences > advanced > scripts & plugins > open unrequested windows, but who knows, I'm afraid that sometime popups will be needed on one page, so I don't disable them.
Did you try clicking on the bugzilla link you provided? "Ook! Sorry, bugzilla links from slashdot are disabled"..
Slashdot community, please notice: I am looking for a girlfriend.
Nave H. Weiss
Given that the so-called "classic" theme belongs to Netscape 4, I find it a bit hard to understand why they persist in making it the default. Sure, it (sort of) works on a 16-bit display, but I think this browser is really targeted at users with more modern hardware. I always immediately change the theme to "Modern" on any machine I install Moz on.
Classic is designed to utilize the native system look and feel. On winXP, OS X and GTK (and soon older Windows versions) Classic uses the nsITheme api to call into the system for widget style information. This allows the classic theme to display native looking UI. Modern doesn't use this api at all so you have a browser which doesn't have any native look and feel. Some like that but many do not.
--Asa
What makes Phoenix different than Galeon in terms of features?
Less is more !
Likewise, if you write C code that does not conform to the standard, don't be surprised if you find a compiler that chokes on the code. There's a reason for habing standards. Use them!
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
Is it just me or is prefetching a good way to increase the bandwidth load on the networks? I mean I can see the benefit to the immdiate user, but there IS going to be a fair amount of "unviewed" bandwidth s you might choose to only look at one view of your favorite pron star and not all 50.
Nothing happens without the author specifying it and it's not random like "every link on the page".Read more about it before getting overly concerned. You'll save a few gray hairs.
Do they exist or can I safely use 8.0 RPMs? Also, will they affect Galeon?
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
I haven't tried Linux yet with https, but I will do that.
I upgraded from 1.2b under WinXP with Multizilla and the Optimoz pie menus installed, and ran into a bunch of problems (couldn't open more than one tab, multizilla says it's installed, but doesn't appear in preferences, can't go to new web pages after the initial one loads, etc.) When I was fooling around with the nightlies, I often ran into similar problems.
If you're getting odd behaviour from Mozilla, uninstall it, go to your C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data directory, and backup the Mozilla directory in there. Remove the Mozilla directory, and then do a clean install of Mozilla. After you're done, you can restore things like your bookmarks or whatever.
WRONG!
I have been using 1.2 versions for ages without any problems with online banking.
Check your preferences for enabling cookies.
If you look at the bug again, you will notice it is now marked WORKSFORME (and indicating that it was a user settings issue).
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1720 97
Downloaded it, cleared out 1.1, installed it. And bam - I'm getting errors from dlls. Themes don't work. Updates don't work. Dlls errors reporting on close.
So I wipe it, put on 1.1 - no problems. Back to 1.2 - problems. I downloaded several different versions of 1.2. Nothing helps.
Note: I've never had problems with Mozilla before. It's disappointing. Back 1.1 for me.
If you're on Windows, there's a shortcut in your mozilla folder in your start menu which installs the feature. I don't know where it is on Linux. I'm at work so I haven't installed it on anything but Windows :-)
(Yes, I've tried posting to the Mozilla newsgroups, but this is exactly the kind of request that gets ignored by everyone there.)
Three nights ago someone broke part of chrome and I couldn't even fire up a Navigator. I know I'm getting what I'm asking for by running nightlies but come on, don't individual developers even test their changes? At all?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
As the AC mentioned, the grippers to collapse toolbars were removed for usability reasons. The details, if you really want to know (or just skim) are chronicled in several bug reports. Here's one of them.
It's vendetta karma building. It's the only requirement Netscape (AOL) funding requires. They were so pissed off by Explorerthat they now want Microsoft to load Mozilla and say "OMFG, this CAN'T be true! IT'S BACK AND ALIVE...!!! (sheer terror expresions from MS employees)" :)
unfinished: (adj.)
when they are sent, pre-fetch requests are labeled as such. So a site getting the requests can keep track of regular vs. pre-fetch requests.
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
That's one thing I've hated since NS4.0. I'm
always hitting those "grippies" by mistake, and
on Solaris they take what seems like hours to
do their thing. They were very disruptive.
Ahh, in every Mozilla story, I let myself get suckered into this same discussion. Always some self-selected spokesman who seems to think that he knows what the "correct" standard is for you and me.
No doubt this person thinks the "correct" standards are the various three-letter acronyms that various standards bodies publish long after the various technologies have been implemented in divergent ways.
Well, here comes your clue: your so-called "correct" standards don't matter a whit. Unlike the tech elite, most users just want to be able to access content on the internet. If that means supporting broken HTML, then broken HTML must be supported. If that means displaying Flash, Windows Media, or <put favorite propritary technology here>, then that means making the effort to either support it, or to degrade gracefully.
Arrogant comments like yours further alienate the 99.44% of users who are not tech wizards, and will help keep Mozilla and its offspring as just interesting sideshow, as a single-percentage niche player. If you look at what real users actually use, it is overwhelmingly InternetExplorer. Users will not consider switching to a browser where its proponents, instead of trying to support non-standards and de-facto standards, just pontificate about how what they want to do is somehow "non-standard." <sarcasm>Yes, that'll help the cause. OK, Mr. Correct Standards, since you know what the correct standards are, please tell us what significant website you run which only adheres to "correct standards", IE be damned. And while you're at it, please provide us with the number of paying users that your website has.
Here's my prediction: you don't run any website of significance. You don't have any paying customers. So no surprise that it's no big deal to you if you don't care about more than 95% of internet users. You'd be singing a different tune otherwise.
P.S. Galeon is the king, Phoenix the pretender to the throne
Hey, Windows users, there is no such thing as "forward" slash, there is only slash and backslash.
if you are unfamilar with the ftp sites tree i would suggest you use the "ls" and "cd" commands to find the file you want. there is no difference between clicking on a directory in ie and 'cd dirname' in ftp. you are essentially doing the same thing.
for example if you ftp to mozilla:
ftp ftp.mozilla.org
look in pub then look in mozilla and next releases you will find:
"/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.2b"
i've never ftp'ed to mozilla before and this took about a 45 seconds. at this point you can download mozilla without much trouble. learning how to navigate ftp sites with the commandline is not that hard and can be a useful thing to understand when you are stuck with computers lacking other software you are familar with.
-- john
Well, first off I would suggest you getting her on Phoenix, and not Mozilla.
1) Phoenix Looks better (and is more costimizable*)
(*meaning in an easy drag and drop way)
2) It's faster and doesn't inculde all the rest of the things your wife doesn't use
(mail/chatzilla/etc.)
3) Themes... Funny enough as it sounds, this way you can make your wife "feel at home" again.
4) Stability. For some odd reason Phx, feels a bit more secure than Moz.
I just converted my girlfriend and her familyover to Phoenix. I understand your pain.
I'm a mozilla user, (I use mail, chatzilla, all of it) and am so happy with it. But when my girlfriend would get on my computer, she hated it. Saying it respondes slowly, was ugly, etc.
I then installed Phoenix on her computer, and installed the Qute theme (and LUNA) here;
Qute , Luna
(Luna's a copy of IE's interface)
(my girlfriend loved the Qute theme)
I loaded it up, changed the Phoenix Icon to
on her desktop (download the icons here;
ICON site
And in 10min, taught her to use Tab browing, (how to save tab groups as a bookmark (great for research), easy searching, and how to costimize her toolbar (drag'n'drop can't be easier). She was hooked.
At first her impresion was "No, not mozilla please" but within a day, she grinned at me and said "I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually really like it allot better than IE)
This coming from a 20year girl who's studying Finances. I was pleased!
My next step is to teach her Mousegestures, that will definitally get her hooked (no way going back after that).
Mouse gestures
For all type of way to custimize Phoenix I recommend you start here;
Phoenix Help
Cheers, and hope this has helpes you out with your convert!! =)
FreeBSD and NetBSD, and maybe Darwin too have support for Mozilla 1.1. The mozilla-devel port in FreeBSD, and I think NetBSD, has offered Mozilla 1.2 beta. The 1.2 release will probably be in FreeBSD ports in a couple of weeks, and NetBSD a tad later. On the other hand, OpenBSD still doesn't quite support Mozilla in a stable fashion, perhaps that is what you were thinking of.
Opera 7 beta on Windows now seems to use it's own widgets rather than windows ones. The current exceptions to this seem to be scroll bars, menus and legacy dialogues (like the preferences, which should be replaced by the time it finishes beta).
According to one of the Operafolk there should be less lag between Windows and other platforms in the 7 series because even more of the code is cross platform. It'll be interesting to see if the custom widgets are part of that.
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You could do the same thing with any one of images, iframes, objects, javascript etc etc etc.
There is nothing new to fear from prefetching.
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Which has those security problems fixed. If your opera:about says build 2349 you've got the newer one. If it's a lower build than that you should consider downloading "Opera for Windows Beta 1 v.2" from their website
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> Who uses Windows 95/98 still?
Lots of people. Nobody's still _buying_ it, but there are quite
a few systems out there. Two things to remember here. First,
only a small percentage of users ever upgrade the OS; most wait
until they buy a new computer. That goes for home users as well
as businesses. Second, the usual "3 year" figure for replacing
an old PC is the average only in business; among home users, the
average is probably somewhat longer, and certainly the standard
deviation is much higher. Third (yes, I know I said two things),
a lot of people have never owned a new computer, only secondhand.
Windows 95/98/Me is more widely deployed on the desktop than any
other OS, by a preposterously, frighteningly wide margin. These
days NT is easily second (because WinXP OEM sales have been going
for a while), but it hasn't nearly caught up yet, and won't until
perhaps (WARNING: blatant speculation ahead) circa 2004.
Windows 95 is still more widely used than all versions of NT prior
to XP (3, 4, 2000 Server, 2000 Pro) combined, but I doubt there are
still as many actively-used Win95 systems as there are XP Home. A
very few months ago there would have been, though. 95OSR2 was sold
on OEM systems through late 1998, and those systems are only four
years old; probably around a third of them haven't been replaced
yet, and probably another third were handed down to another member
of the same immediate family, and many of those may still be in use
Quite a few of the rest may have hit the used computer market,
though by now many of them also have been junked for parts or
discarded.
Anyway, my point is, people don't stop using something when it
disappears off the store shelves; it takes, depending on the item,
days, months, years, or decades for that to happen. (Operating
systems and major appliances fall into the years category; most
perishible food items: days; other food items: months; tools and
such: decades. Just now I can't think of an example that takes
centuries.)
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
It still doesn't work for Deutsche Bank. My settings defaulted to allowing the above permissions. This was Moz 1.2 running under Win 2K with https connection to www.db24.com, online banking portal.
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