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Sony To Package StarOffice On European PCs

Jahf writes "This News.com article talks about how Sony is adopting Sun's Star Office suite over Microsoft office in some areas. It's nice to see it being adopted, maybe this is the beginning of a trend. While Star Office is still not as optimized as it could be (read: it eats memory and can be a little slow even compared to MS Office), it has all the features most people need and then some at a much better price." Specifically, as reader Yacoubean points out (pointing to coverage at InfoWorld),"The PCs will be sold in the United Kingdom, France, Spain, Germany, Austria and Switzerland."

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  1. Anti-competitive? by I+Am+The+Owl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't bundling applications with an operating system and computer what got Microsoft in trouble in the first place? I hardly think a large multinational like Sony would be any more generous than the money-grubbers in Redmond. Beware.

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    1. Re:Anti-competitive? by Cali+Thalen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wasn't it more like "charging customers to include bundled software in an operating system that they were required to pay for when buying a computer whether they intended to use either"?

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    2. Re:Anti-competitive? by rawshark · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft had a monopoly, Sony does not have a monopoly on PCs. If memory serves, it is not illegal to have a monopoly, nor is it illegal to bundle applications, but it is illegal to use bundling to tie one market to the market you have a monopoly in.

      Besides, I say that if the almighty dollar causes more marketing and development work to be done in the name of Open Source and Free Software, than so be it!

    3. Re:Anti-competitive? by Locutus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      well yes it was. What Sun/Sony is doing is different in that Sony is but one OEM and it's their system. Now Microsoft came in and bundled apps in the OS and told every OEM that if they don't keep the bundled apps they will lose their license to sell the MS Windows OS. There is a big difference here. Atleast if the OEMs can decide what their customers might want, users would have choices among OEMs for the hardware and software features they want prePackaged .

      Without choice and competition, Microsoft has been able to dictate what is popular and what's not.

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  2. Works Suite by Comster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It beats the cheesy Works Suite that people end up using because it bundles with their OEM PC.

    1. Re:Works Suite by Pilferer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think MS Works is far easier to use than Word, Excel, etc. My mother could figure out the word processor in Works - but Office is a bit too complex.

      A simple, small, easy to use word processor that's geared at newbies is what Linux needs. Something that's not so intimidating as Office, something your mom could figure out, without having to ask you "What are all these things(icons) for?"

      I wonder why MS hasn't put more effort into Works! That's a HUGE market - Office is the WRONG choice for 1st time computer users.

    2. Re:Works Suite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      MS has put entirely too much effort into Works...

      I bought MS Works with my first computer - a 286 running MS-DOS 4.01 - and it absolutely ruled. It did - well, almost - everything I needed it to do, and back in those days, a few simple freeware programs made up the difference.

      A short while later, Works v2 appeared. Being poor, I didn't even think of upgrading. But my employers did, and I quickly saw that MS had stealthily *removed* functionality. The alarm clock/calendar feature, for instance, was gone.

      Then came Windows, and Works was duly ported to the new environment... and boy, did it suck. It was slow, incompatible with any other software (including MS Word), and had even less functionality.

      My theory? MS has realised that, with Works, they're in danger of competing with themselves. They'd much rather have people paying serious money for Office. So they've done everything they can to make Works unattractive to all but the most desperate.

  3. keep in mind by morgajel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they're enemies.
    sony knows that office and windows are the cash cows for microsoft. sony knows that if microsoft starts hurting there, they can't afford to keep pissing money away on the xbox, sony's direct competition...

    it's a street fight, and sony just kicked microsoft in the balls.

    makes sense to me.
    it'll be interesting to watch where it goes.. a new service pack kills sony dvd drivers? I have no clue.

    either way I'll get some laughs out of the two slugging it out.

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  4. no plot...just smart business by djupedal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sony isn't stupid.

    MS reveals that Office is paying the rent while they lose money on Xbox... Sony thinks about the fees they're paying MS every year, as long as MS Office is part of their computer package..."...choto.... Tanaka-san...look at these numbers....why are we helping MS to keep the Xbox afloat?"

    Sony has been subsidizing the Xbox, and now they have a way to halt that practice :) =========

    Remember...investing in or doing business with MS is risking having your own money used against you in the marketplace.

  5. So, it's nice to see Primo Open Source. by twitter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Who could argue that a Vaio is a low end system? Seeing open source and free software on high end computers is nice. I get sick of seeing free software clasified as bargain and low cost while significant feature set improvements are ignored. Sony, IBM, Sun will help change that perception. Corel Office was premium software that, as long as M$ was dumping Office, you had to pay "extra" for and you did so to gain superior software. Everything else comes with a post script and portable document file output, does Star Office? That would be cool, and that is definatly an "extra" right now.

    My wife used to run Star Office and liked it better than M$. M$ Office is an ugly beast that writes hideous propriatory formated files. Star Office read those files, dispelling the bizare perception that M$ programers were some kinds of wizards. Other than that, my wife simply enjoyed Star Office's easy to use layout.

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  6. Business Decision by donutello · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think all the posters who are talking about the relationship between this and the fact that MS is competing with Sony with the X-BOX are just plain wrong.

    If Sony was a well-run organization, its computer division would be making business decisions based on their own market rather than some vague spite because of some other divisions battles. There are several valid business reasons why offering a cheaper (to Sony) Office solution would make business sense.

    MS is not going to run out of money any time soon - so suggesting that this is being done so MS stops spending money is just plain asinine. Rather, the very reason MS is investing in the XBOX is because they want to earn money in more diverse ways and if the Office business were to become less profitable, that would only encourage them to invest further into other markets in the hopes of being able to grow or maintain revenue.

    It is possible that management asked the computer division to do this and use that as a threat to ask Microsoft to back off from the XBOX. However, that is arguably an antitrust violation similar to the one Microsoft got into trouble for since the PS2 is a virtual monopoly. However, I sincerely doubt that this is the case.

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    1. Re:Business Decision by w42w42 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If Sony was a well-run organization, its computer division would be making business decisions based on their own market rather than some vague spite because of some other divisions battles.

      I have to respond to this. I think normally this would be a valid point, except that Microsoft has two business divisions referred to as "Office" and "Windows", which are used to fuel their slash and burn business practices.

      I would love for any other Microsoft division to compete on its own merit with that from any competitor, without the immense backing they recieve from those two monopolies.

  7. Double standard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    StarOffice eats memory and can be a little slow even compared to MS Office

    I see. We're supposed to applaud slow and bloated software as long as Sony and some Open Source are involved rather than Microsoft?!

  8. Meaningless. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The end user who will keep Star Office is the one who would've pirated MS Office. In short, Microsoft loses no money.

    Corporate clients? Star Office will be deleted faster than you can say, "I'm a fscking moron! I think Linux is all about defeating Microsoft!"

    After the deletion, MS Office will be installed faster than you can say, "Clippy!"

    Joe Blow who will use Star Office will not make a difference at all. When you go to work, you use what they tell you to use, and you like it, or start looking for another job. Joe Blow certainly won't be in any position to tell the IT staff what office suite everyone should be using.

    As for the suits, no one ever got fired for buying MS, eh? Not to mention the fact that MS Office kicks the living shit out of all comers. In a sea of their crap, Office is the one thing that Microsoft made into a jewel.

  9. Re:This is Really a Microsoft Office Killer! by nyseal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't get it....you acknowledge it's slower with less features but claim it's a MS killer? What gives?

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  10. This is a turf war by oob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think that outside of the cost, freedom and "chique factor" advantages to Sony for supporting StarOffice the essence of this is a tit-for-tat response to Microsoft releasing X-Box.

    Unlike other OEMs, Microsoft can't push Sony around because Sony is involved in many other lucratice markets.

    The Japanese (or indeed, Asian in general) technology maunfactures are getting into OpenSource (or other Microsoft alternatives) wherever they can, particularly with PDAs and embedded systems.

    Europe and Australasia are overflowing with FOSS, particularly Linux.

    Where is North America? Desktop and low-end server computing there looks to be destined to become like their wireless and mobile markets; stagnant and lagging behind the rest of the world.