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Trident XP4 Reviewed

ceebABC writes "In a new review, the Trident XP4 got a nasty reception. Based on the tests, it sounds like Trident has got some work to do on the thing. Looks like this GPU is dead on arrival." Our last story on Trident mentioned them coming back from the dead. Maybe not.

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  1. I'm sure it's better... by Randolpho · · Score: 2, Interesting

    than my lowly i810. :) P.S. Am I the only one getting connection issues on Slashdot? Has Slashdot been Slashdotted?

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  2. Horrible Review by Marx_Mrvelous · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They only test one resolution, 1600*1200! Maybe it's just me, but I don't see a lot of laptops with 1600* resolution. The whole review is only meant to make the card look bad, it doesn't take into consideration price, power/heat consumption, or other important factors. It is biased, shallow and not worthy of a /.ing!

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    1. Re:Horrible Review by be-fan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A lot of laptops have 1600x1200 resolution. But what do laptops have to do with anything? These are desktop chips. And they do take into account price: they mention that even if these are significantly cheaper than the Radeon 9000 Pro, they suck so bad it still wouldn't be worth it. A Radeon 9000 Pro runs $80 these days. This thing would have to sell around $30 for it to be any good, and projected retail prices are a whole lot higher than that ($100). As for power consumption, who cares? AGP only provides 25 watts of power, and none of the tested cards used an extra power connector. Even if the Radeon 9000 used the full power, and this card use 1/5 the power, the difference of 20 watts is worth jack shit.

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    2. Re:Horrible Review by pboulang · · Score: 3, Interesting
      They only test one resolution, 1600*1200! Maybe it's just me, but I don't see a lot of laptops with 1600* resolution. The whole review is only meant to make the card look bad, it doesn't take into consideration price, power/heat consumption, or other important factors. It is biased, shallow and not worthy of a /.ing!
      A) Why do you think this is for laptops only? Not that it matters, cause you don't often change the video card on your laptop..
      B) I agree the whole review stays away from the whole "calm objectivity" range of emotions. Face it, the reviewer was pretty upset about the poor showing, having expected better
      With its spec sheet and clock rates, we were looking forward to testing the XP4 - we hoped it would make things interesting in the GPU arena. But from out[sic] test results, the XP4 is dead on arrival.

      C) The article does take price into consideration:
      Even if XP4-based boards can substantially undercut the Radeon 9000 Pro on price, the woefully inadequate performance won't justify any amount of savings. Its 3D performance across the board is simply unacceptable versus present-day competition.
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    3. Re:Horrible Review by MatthewRothenberg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >>But hey the site's run by ZDnet so whaddaya expect? Comprehensive tests? Slightly off-topic point of clarification: ExtremeTech is run (and owned) by Ziff Davis Media, not ZDNet. Back in the day, Ziff and ZDNet were part of one company, but they were split apart a few years ago, and ZDNet was ultimately acquired by CNET. (I worked at Ziff, then spun out with ZDNet, rolled into CNET and came back to Ziff, so I've seen the whole process unfold from a number of angles.) Matthew Rothenberg Online editor Ziff Davis Media

  3. How about a more realistic review... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It would be interesting to see a review of the card at normal resolution (the target market for the Trident probably can't even do 1600x1200 on their monitor, 1024x768 is a more reasonable resolution), and comparing it to a typical two year old card.

    If it does hardware T&L and doesn't cost much, it would be a nice replacement for the ATI Rage 128 Pro that I have.

  4. dead in the water? by MiTEG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hardly. The product reviewed was far from the polished final version we'll see in stores, and the drivers were beta and buggy. I'm not saying it will live up the "80% of a Ti4600" claim, but the price point will put it in competition with the vastly inferior MX series.

    Regardless, Trident's biggest customer has always been OEM's, so if they can deliver a cheap, decent card, they'll easily hit their target market.

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  5. incorrect comparison? by magarity · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The review starts off saying this is a GPU for $100 cards and then compares it to GF4-4200 and ATI9500 Pro. Then proceeds to laugh at it for poor comparisons. Methinks Trident is going to laugh all the way to the bank when they clean up the cheap prebuilt box with embedded video market.

  6. Less for more... by BSOD+from+above · · Score: 2, Interesting

    back when I was poor(college) I bought my first PCI card for $45. It was a trident 1Meg upgradeable to 2. It worked good for Doom. Now most of the new kit hitting the market is pure, unadulterated junk and it costs more. I fear this trend is related to the overall decline in the tech economy. I think I will hold out on my purchases until these companies find a way to put some cash back into thier R&D bugets and increase the quality of thier products. Maybe cut CEO salaries?

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  7. Re:Meanwhile, back in Denmark... by InfernoBlade · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Dated August 2002. And the word Preview, right in the title bar.

    Granted 1600x1200 wasnt fair either, but this isnt a notebook chip, its a desktop chip (unlike what other poster said). And its intended to compete with the likes of the GF4 and Radeon cards.

  8. DX9 class? by UberLame · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I failed to see any testing of its performance doing DX9 specific tasks. It obviously isn't going to smoke a GeforceFX card, but will it be better than a Geforce3 or Geforce4 at running DX9 and OpenGL 2.0 shaders?

    And I would have really liked to have seen them run the tests at 1024x768 anyway despite the lack of AA in the drivers.

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  9. I need a 2ghz computer to run Word.... by Yo+Grark · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ok one thing I didn't see (and IRTFA), was the overall "playability" of the games or applications.

    Dumb down the tests and give it to joe-six pack (you know, the ones who WON'T spend the extra 300 bucks for 30 trillion pixal shading?) and see what they think.

    Does it run the app fine? Does the game run smooth in a comfortable screensize?

    Being broke lately, I've come to appreciate that UT2003, or Dungeon Seige runs just fine on my celeron 533 with 512 meg ram, and while a more powerful graphics card would make it run even better, my 2 year old Gforce2 works just fine.

    Just fine for the Cheapo price I would pay for the same card nowadays.

    Extremetech turned me off of readership in the past by their lack of credible articles, and this just reinforces why I stopped reading it.

    Personal opinion should be available at the END of an article, not the beginning opening bias.

    Well my Word document just decided to unfreeze and let me save, so I will end this rant.

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  10. Re:Is it possible? by Wiz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think you are being unfair here. I've got a Radeon 9000 PRO and I've found both the Windows and Linux drivers to be of very good quality. Don't think I've ever had any instability problems with either set-up (apart from the normal Windows stability, or lack of, of course).

    This used to be the case in the past, but they are much better now. Not Nvidia quality, not yet, but they are getting there.

    I'd love it if they'd release an open source linux driver though, that'd be cool!

  11. invidia demos by SniffleBear · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Doesn't anyone else notice that the nvidia geforce chipset 3D demos are a bit misleading. Sure, those things look awesome, and even better, they're in real time!

    The problem is, you won't even be able to see anything like that in a game anyways because there are more objects showing on the screen in a game. Heck, I bet a card that's 2 year older can pull something off like those demos with good graphics coding.

    I just wish they would show something more practical.

  12. You're assuming the market. by InThane · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Remember, this part is probably OEM targeted, not enthusiast marketed. Most users will say, "Gee, that thingamabob's got 2.4 gigahertz of RAM, wow it's fast!" and buy it, not realizing they got shafted on the video.

    Carry out this philosophy across the machine, and you can shave $100-200 off the price of the machine, at least.

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