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The Great Stanford Buffy Population Equilibrium Study

Suture writes "A PhD candidate in ecology at Stanford University has done an ecological analysis of humans and vampires in Sunnydale, the home of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He took some initial assumptions on rates of population growth, vampire feeding, etc and plugged them into a differential equations model. What he got was an equilibrium human population of 36,346, and an vampire population of around 18, and furthermore the equilibrium is stable. His conclusion was that even though the show's designers are not ecologists, they managed to come up with ideas that actually made ecological sense. Scroll to the bottom of the page to see a pretty cool spiral graph of human population vs vampire population."

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  1. Wow by unterderbrucke · · Score: 5, Funny

    and I thought I had too much time on my hands...

    1. Re:Wow by Dirtside · · Score: 5, Funny

      So instead of wasting your time coming up with vampire population ecology models, you're reading about it on Slashdot. This is something to gloat about? :)

      --
      "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
  2. SW by gummijoh · · Score: 5, Funny

    I got an Phd for making an essay about the fact that Star Wars could not be real... not in this galaxy nor any other!

  3. I think the real question is: by nuwayser · · Score: 5, Funny

    are there enough vampires in sunnyvale to sustain the show for another season?

    --
    "The cup... the drop... it's a YES!"
  4. Hmm by Cali+Thalen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    OK, while I can certainly go along with watching second-rate actors in bad make-up and cute actresses, throwing around a few equations that no one is likely to examine, and one confusing graph...and earning (possibly) a PhD in the process, what really got my attention was the line:

    "And to be fair, I'll tell you that my first order guesses, while probably not too far off, were chosen at least partly to obtain a reasonable result on our first try."

    Now THAT is my idea of effort!

    --
    Chaos, panic, disorder...my work here is done.
  5. Hmmmmmm..... by Audacious · · Score: 5, Funny

    The graph looks almost like a bad drawing of Dante's Inferno. Each twist is yet another level leading to hell.

    Which, since Sunnyvale is where the hellmouth is - it sort of all works out. In a strange, sort of demented way.

    (I think I'll go watch the Buffy musical again. It's got class. It's got style. And until you burn up - it sticks with you for a while.)

    --
    Someone put a black hole in my pocket and now I'm broke. :-)
  6. It's obviously in jest! by LojaK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This paper isn't a thesis paper for pete's sake! It isn't a dissertation! It's OBVIOUSLY a lark. He's a fan of Buffy, and he decided to engage his brain and see what he could conclude about the Buffy-verse. It's a hoot, relax people.

    -- L.

  7. A good page... by Hadean · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For good Buffy information (they had this story linked a while back I believe), check out Buffista. Their links page (http://www.buffistas.org/links.php) is quite extensive... Not bad.

    And, of course, you have to check out TV Tome's Buffy page, with good reviews, show guide and spoilers...

    Any other good ones?

  8. what a bunch of whiners by GunFodder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This looks like a clever way to exercise one's professional tools to solve a trivial yet interesting problem. Why are all of you whiners jumping on him?

    One factor that he left out was the attrition of vampires due to recovered conscience or suicide, which might be high considering their lifestyle. There must be a percentage of vampires that accidentally get caught in sunlight as well, although those dim bulbs might be the kinds that get slayed eventually anyway. Other than that the numbers look good.

  9. Article is a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't beleive this paper got published, are you kidding me? He fails to take into account trolls and werewolves, which would skew the numbers towards vampires, as they are natural allies. I too am scientist in the field of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and am preparing my own study, but unlike this quack I'm not throwing it out unfinished in the hopes of garnering awards and acclaim. I hesitate to think of the damage that will be done when people use these figures in their studies.

  10. vampire migration factor by urbazewski · · Score: 5, Funny
    from the article:
    Vampires are flocking to Sunnydale, since the Hellmouth is the underwordly equivalent of Silicon Valley, and the demon labor market is just too good to be true. Thus, we'll assume a yearly migration rate of about 10%, or the same as for the humans.

    It seems the author is forgetting about Angel --- Buffy spinoffs could make m, the rate of vampire migration negative. And should the exodus of VC's from Silicon Valley count as ex-migration of humans or of vampires?

    --
    foldplay your photos won't know what hit them.
  11. meanwhile, in another universe... by Ellen+Ripley · · Score: 5, Funny

    What he got was an equilibrium human population of 36,346, and an vampire population of around 18, and furthermore the equilibrium is stable.

    The Camarilla Princes are going to be really pissed when they find out they've been running at ( 1 / 10^5 ) / ( 18 / 36346 ) of their optimal capacity.

    We Sabbat knew better, of course.

    Cousin Ellen

  12. I think the point (mentioned in the ed. comments) by moogla · · Score: 5, Interesting

    is that it's remarkable how (after making basic assumptions) the very ideas of a stable vampire/human equilibrium are sound, and they are consistent with the "normal" Buffy universe. Many television shows and movies are mathematically improbable in even the most basic sense (like the ecosystem in the Matrix, for example). More importantly, we can assume that this was not intentional on the writer's part, I'm sure they wouldn't even grasp the "classic problem"; they probably didn't study engineering or mathematics in school. What the author of the study doesn't state, but I will, is the implication of his exercise in intellectual masturbation taken with the previous assumption.
    Why would it work out, what made these writers different than other writers? I think it's a plot driven element, and a reflection of the real causes of social attitudes. I'm willing to venture a guess that they (the writers) kept the number of vampires and incidents in the series low so that it would seem more likely people wouldn't realize that there were real vampires around in the fictional Buffy scenario. From this, we determine vampires could exist in stable equilibrium if this was the case. If the prey on the show knew about the predators in a larger sense, the equations wouldn't be so simple any longer, and the stable equilibrium would be lost. What we consider "under the radar" and thus unnoticed is a perfect niche for small, select groups of predators to operate within, in REAL life. So in conclusion, the writers are clearly not buffoons, and your neighboor IS a vampire.
    QED.

    --
    Black holes are where the Matrix raised SIGFPE
  13. Re:What A Waste by Jester99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Right. Because Ph.D. students never have free time. They spend all their time on serious, groundbreaking research, only. And Ph.D. students never have their own webspace. If it's on the Internet, it must be a serious, peer-reviewed, critically analyzed piece of high academic merit.

    And in that supposed "free time" that Ph.D. students don't have, they'd never think about writing a mock paper using some differential equations that any second-year science student would understand because it amuses them.

    For Christ's sake, the guy watches Buffy (Yes, Ph.D. students at Universities do other things besides do research and contribute to "political, social, and scientific development;" sometimes they even watch television!) and ran some variables through a model, wrote up a silly paper, and published it on his web page.

    It's funny. Laugh. ;)

  14. Re:Excuse me? by dwarfviking · · Score: 5, Informative
    ...and furthermore the equilibrium is stable...

    Did you think, at all, before you wrote that? What do you think "equilibrium" means?

    In dynamics, an equilibrium point is a steady-state of the system: that is, a set of values for the system such that, if the system is set to that point, the system will no longer change.

    What do you think "stable" means?

    In this context, "stable" means that, if you move the system slightly away from the equilibrium point, it will naturally move back to the equilibrium point. On the other hand, an unstable system, when perturbed from the equilibrium point, will not return to that point.

    So, for example, the point of an inverted cone is an unstable equilibrium point. I can balance a ball on it, and it won't go anywhere; but move it ever-so-slightly, and it will fall down. On the other hand, the bottom of a conical pit is stable; move the ball anywhere up from the bottom, and it will just fall back down again.

    These are basic definitions for this sort of mathematics. It probably wouldn't hurt, under the circumstances, to assume the author knows what's he talking about, you know.

    --
    Bjorn Christianson
  15. Re:Ok, this is going to get me branded a geek... by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've always wondered how the vampires can even get a stiffy since they don't have a heartbeat....

    Well, yeah, I am a geek and a think too much- so sue me.

    graspee

  16. Re:Spike Quote by dasunt · · Score: 5, Funny

    There are better Spike quotes out there. Such as:
    Spike: I like people. They're like Happy Meals with legs.

    (And note, that is an on-topic quote with regards to the article.)