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Truth, Ownership, and the Scientific Tradition

number6x writes "The Physics Today website has an article by Robert Laughlin titled "Truth, Ownership, and the Scientific tradition". The article deals with some recent blunders in the scientific community like the falsification of data at lucent covered here on slashdot. The article is mainly about the conflict between the free exchange of ideas that the scientific community needs to survive, and the demand for property ownership that commercial sponsors demand."

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  1. life sciences vs. physics by lovebyte · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article:
    This is especially true vis-à-vis the life scientists, who have more money, less oversight, and much more tolerance for imprecision than physicists. Rather than allow ourselves to be defined by the property we generate, I suggest we take the high ground and turn ourselves into the gold standard of truth. This is the way to make physics relevant and important in this "age of biology."

    Do I see some bitterness in the physics community? It is seen nowadays as very important for humanity to spend more money on the life sciences and less on physics. And the physics guys do not like it!
    Tough.

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    1. Re:life sciences vs. physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Do I see some bitterness in the physics community? It is seen nowadays as very important for humanity to spend more money on the life sciences and less on physics. And the physics guys do not like it!
      Tough."

      I think you are breathing too much into the statement you're referring to. What physicists are annoyed at is that their research interests are soley judged by the potential amount of money it can make. Physics has a long tradition of basing itself on the pursuit of knowledge, and more importantly, the truthfulness of that knowledge. Replacing "academic interest" with "potential revenue" has many adverse effects, of which some are appearing now. The issue is not about how much money physics gets, but what is being used to justify research.

      The author was of the opinion that the life sciences are not as rigorous in testing the veracity of research results. I do not know if this is true, but it would be not be surprising -- biological systems are much more complex and harder to control.

      I fully agree with the author of the Physics Today article that the corporatisation of universities is quite dangerous.

    2. Re:life sciences vs. physics by lovebyte · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think you are breathing too much into the statement you're referring to.
      I don't think so. I know that physics labs have less money now than before and that the public grants have gone to life sciences. And some people at (for instance) the CERN are quite pissed off by that. And I understand them. But then I work in the life sciences, so ...

      The author was of the opinion that the life sciences are not as rigorous in testing the veracity of research results.
      Very true. But biology is where physics was at the time of Newton. Each big science domain is doing what it can with what it has. I don't think that applying a physics point of view to just life sciences or any other scientific domain is right.

      I fully agree with the author of the Physics Today article that the corporatisation of universities is quite dangerous.
      So do I.

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    3. Re:life sciences vs. physics by simong_oz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It always goes in cycles - each science has it's day. The buzzwords at the moment which will secure you large amounts of funding are:

      DNA
      genetic engineering
      tissue engineering
      anyone want to add some more?

      Use all these in a sentence and submit to your favourite funding agency.

      It is seen nowadays as very important for humanity to spend more money on the life sciences and less on physics.

      It has been like this for quite some time - research with medical applications has always been well funded because the medical community is very good at procuring and protecting research funding. A decade or so ago it was AIDS/cancer, now it's anything to do with DNA/genes.

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    4. Re:life sciences vs. physics by rknop · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The author was of the opinion that the life sciences are not as rigorous in testing the veracity of research results.

      Very true. But biology is where physics was at the time of Newton. Each big science domain is doing what it can with what it has. I don't think that applying a physics point of view to just life sciences or any other scientific domain is right.

      I suspect the author of the article would agree with you. I think the argument isn't so much "let's be very rigorous to prove that we are better than the biologists." It's more that physicis is no longer the premiere cutting edge technological science as it was in the 20th century; increasingly, biology is taking up that mantle. Instead of continuing as an also-ran has-been, the author seems to be proposing that physicists change their attitude to try and distinguish themselves as useful and productive in a different philosophical area, an area that much of the biological sciences probably won't really be strongly pushing into for at least a few decades.

      Mind you, I personally think that applying a (fill in the blank scientific) point of view is right, almost always. However, you then need to evaluate how useful that exercise was. Not performing the excercise out of some sense of "not right" is just as harmful as refusing to make progress in biology because the field can't currently live up to physics standards of rigor. Keep an open mind in both directions; apply as many reasonable scientific perspectives as you can to see if you learn anything in the process.

      -Rob

    5. Re:life sciences vs. physics by Doctor+Fishboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Speaking as a physicist (well, astronomer) the past decade or so has seen the rise of biology in the public's eyes, and the flow of money to the life sciences. If your science is purely defined by public popularity, though, you'd better hope that the public stays interested in biology.

      We haven't had the equivalent of a public relations disaster for biology yet, which would cause public opinion to turn against it. All you need is a biological Chernobyl and you'll be tarred with the same brush that physicists have had applied to them. Not that I'd want anything like that, God forbid.

      Also, is the authour of the article a bit bitter? Yes, but he does not speak for all physicists.

      Don't get me wrong, I'd like a larger grant for some of my research, but we can't always get what we want, and if I *needed* the money, then I should bloody well write a better grant the next time around. Shame on me, not shame on the biologists. My personal moan aside, I think that money in science is well spent, whatever field it is in. If the research is exciting and interesting, by and large it does get funded.

      I think there's the relatively modern issue of corporate interests and how they affect the flow of ideas in a given subject, and it just so happens that biology is the science that is facing this at the moment.

      Hurm. Time for coffee!

      Dr Fish

    6. Re:life sciences vs. physics by Zeinfeld · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Two points of issue here. First, particle physics research over the last fifty years is what made the solid-state revolution

      That is untrue. There are no sub-nuclear effects that are employed in semi-conductors. Rutherford and Chadwick's work on the structure of the atom was all pre-war and that is what the physics of semiconductors is based on. I have degrees in electronics and particle physics, the quantum mechanics used in solid state uses a completely different notation to that used in particle physics.

      Only through linear accelerators was the crystal structure and properties of semiconductors properly worked out

      You were almost close. Accelerators are used for chrystalography but not lineacs, It is the bremstralung radiation that you get from accelerating a charged particle arround a curve that provides the high powered radiation. The crystaline structure of silicon GaAs etc are all very simple and were deduced long before quantum mechanics, let alone particle physics. I very much doubt that any crystal structure that had such a high degree of complexity it could only be deduced using those techniques would be far too complex to be useful for VLSI.

      As for your fusion power comment, I must say that, for one thing, there hasn't been too much funding because there hasn't been too much progress.

      How much progress has there been in particle physics? Why would basic research into the fusion process be intrinsically less interesting than finding out the structure function of the z0 etc?

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  2. Newton, Darwin, Einstein and ownership... by MosesJones · · Score: 5, Interesting


    One interesting element about these three chaps is that when they had their great ideas there was no way to make money from it so no-one is interested. What we are talking about here are experimental scientists where there is a direct effect of their work. "Blue sky" scientists were less prone to these problems in the past because companies tended not to fund them. With the rise of "corporate universities" and corporate science the drive has been to be more accountable.

    Einstein didn't get funding for his research 100 years ago, what would happen if the next Einstein comes along and demonstrates that cold fusion is possible, clean and safe... but is sponsored by Exxon ?

    The corporatisation of science means the ethics of corporations now apply. Science will have an "Enron" scenario within the next few years.

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    1. Re:Newton, Darwin, Einstein and ownership... by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      what would happen if the next Einstein comes along and demonstrates that cold fusion is possible, clean and safe... but is sponsored by Exxon?

      Obviously, Exxon would then shift their focus to Cold Fusion, lock everone out of the industry via way of patents and bs intellectual property, and they would pretty much have a monopoly on energy production in the end.

      Dispite what most people think the oil industries AREN'T out to kill all other forms of energy production. They just want to make sure that by the time the oil DOES run out they are the ones that own the new source.

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    2. Re:Newton, Darwin, Einstein and ownership... by simong_oz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With the rise of "corporate universities" and corporate science the drive has been to be more accountable.

      Corporate universities are a byproduct of today's corporate society where the emphasis is on money - earning, spending, getting, justifying spending other people's, etc.

      The problem has filtered down to universities - because they spend public money (ie. taxes), that money has to be justified. You simply can't justify academia in monetary terms, and so universities have had to change. But that change has been brought on by the public demand that government be accountable and transparent (and so it should be).

      The other big problem is that more and more government funding is being cut. The only other avenue for funding is sponsorship by corporate entities who won't sponsor research that doesnt have a product they can make money from (because the companies are accountable themselves), and the problem will continue to spiral downwards.

      The real problem here is the money counters trying to put a monetary value on research [output]. In a similar vein, the reason that publication is so out of control now (ie. the emphasis is on getting as many publications as possible) is that people thought this was a good way to measure academic output.

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    3. Re:Newton, Darwin, Einstein and ownership... by Rhubarb+Crumble · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Dispite what most people think the oil industries AREN'T out to kill all other forms of energy production. They just want to make sure that by the time the oil DOES run out they are the ones that own the new source.

      And they want to make sure they make a killing until then. Just like farmers make more money when food is scarce, oil companies will profit immensely if there is an energy crisis. OTOH, a gradual, smoothly managed transition will just bring extra costs for the new infrastructure needed for different energy sources, with no extra profit to be squeezed out.

    4. Re:Newton, Darwin, Einstein and ownership... by Mr_Dyqik · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You can justify basic research in monetary terms, but one of the many problems is that any changes made by a current government won't have an effect until the next government is in power. It might take 40 years for some basic research to get out of the lab (superconductors say). Governments need quick results and easy soundbites to survive in the modern media.

      I work in the Cambridge Astrophysics group, and many people there are doing very fundamental research, but also coming up with immediately applicable side results. The problem is that these are often not obvious from the official description of the research. For example, data analysis techniques developed for CMB observations can be applied to general pattern matching, and image analysis. However when the Particle Physics and Astronomy Research Council's funding is discussed, this kind of thing is often forgotten. Fortunately, the current government is being reasonably enlightened about this kind of thing.

  3. This man is right on the money. by iq+in+binary · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I appreciate this man's writing, he is thorough and insightful. His statements about the science world give you an idea about the "empirical" knowledge going around in the scientific community today, some slightly false and some completely fabricated.

    I agree with his opinion on scientists under stress, for a paid scientist is just like any other working individual; mindful of their family and bills. He has done an excellent job of humanizing the average Joe scientist.

    At that, I literally clapped when I got to the part about physics. He said what I've been saying all along, Physics is the Open Source of the science community.

    Keep posting articles from this man, whoever is reading, I would like to see more of his work.

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  4. a questionable assertion by kedi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article: "For a research investment to be justified, it must produce value equal to or greater than that of the investment."

    I find this extremely questionable. History is full of scientific discoveries and ideas which were not able to produce equal or greater value for long time. Can anyone enlighten me about the value produced by Einstein's research?

    1. Re:a questionable assertion by kedi · · Score: 3, Informative

      AC wrote: "I think you have slightly missed the point of that sentence. The sentence is pointing out that research for research's sake isn't very welcome in the CORPORATE environment where a greater return on investment is desired. (The point being, that science is BECOMING too corporate-centric as opposed to more "expanding the boundaries of human knoweldge" centric as it was in the past.) So, you aren't really in dispute."

      Thanks. I re-read the article and realised that you are right. Thanks for pointing that out.

      BTW. on searching I found that Prof. Robert B. Laughlin received a Noble Prize in Physics in 1998 [http://large.stanford.edu/rbl/index.htm]
      [http:/ /www.nobel.se/physics/laureates/1998/]

      kedi

    2. Re:a questionable assertion by dcollins · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the article: "For a research investment to be justified, it must produce value equal to or greater than that of the investment."

      I find this extremely questionable. History is full of scientific discoveries and ideas which were not able to produce equal or greater value for long time. Can anyone enlighten me about the value produced by Einstein's research?


      Einstein's most important results had no research investment funding it whatsoever. Hence, it does not serve as a counterexample to an assertion about "research investment".

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    3. Re:a questionable assertion by Mr_Dyqik · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Einstein's first Nobel prize was for the photoelectric effect, which clarified the basic physics of how metals interact with light, and how electrons behavein materials. These results go straight into semiconductor physics, and electron guns in CRTs. Are the TV and semiconductor device industries a big enough return?

      Also, Einstein invented and received a patent on(in conjunction with Leo Szilard) an electromagnetic pump for pumping metallised fluids with no moving parts.

      As for general relativity, if that wasn't taken into account, then GPS systems would be inaccurate, satelite orbits wouldn't be entirely correct, and so geostationary orbits wouldn't work so well, etc. etc. etc.

      Also, possibly no nuclear power, which gives us 1/5 of the world's electricity, and is just about the only hope for continuing growth of power usage at current (no pun, honestly) rates (renewables just can't provide enough power if you assume continuous growth of power demands at current rates for about 60 years) in the form of fusion power.

      And then there are all sorts of social gains that can be assigned costs that Einstein as a populariser of science is partially responsile for. I'm no sociologists, so I won't expand on that here.

  5. Science serves at the pleasure of Engineering by coloth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does engineering eat science's crumbs, or does science serve engineering's beck and call?

    Of course the two are inderdependent. To a huge majority of people, most of whom have some kind of say in how resources are allocated, the goals of the scientist, however, often seem esoteric and even blasphemous.

    However, the goals of the engineer are very clear: envision, design, implement, sell. Cars, computers, bridges, perfume bottles, guns.

    Which is more important, Ms. Voter, the Scientist or the Engineer? Now, don't go thinking too much!

    (disclaimer: I'm an engineer)

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    1. Re:Science serves at the pleasure of Engineering by Idarubicin · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What kind of SCIENCE does a theoretical physicist do? If they're discussing things that are never tested, then they're simply engaging in conjecture, not science.

      Ultimately, it is science if the hypotheses (or conjectures, if you prefer) they develop can in principle be experimentally disproven, and can be used to make predictions.

      If you aren't testing your hypothesis with real experiments, you're not doing science!

      I suppose the question becomes, "Is Stephen Hawking a scientist?" The evaporation of black holes is something that we are not currently able to simulate in the lab. Nevertheless, the idea is a natural (brilliant, elegant, and inspired, but natural) extension of concepts of entropy and quantum mechanics. (I grossly oversimplify, but there's lots more about it on the web for those that are interested.) Furthermore, it makes predictions about what should happen to a black hole, which meets my second criterion. These predictions cannot be tested at this time, but will in principle be testable in the next generation of supercolliders. Until such time, Hawking's ideas still can spark lively debate--which is exactly as it should be.

      Does this mean that we should not be allowed to consider theoretical physicists and cosmologists real scientists until technology matures to the point where their hypotheses can be tested? I submit that scientists are people who put forth rational hypotheses based on whatever incomplete information is available, and are prepared to test their hypotheses--or allow others to do so--when technology and funding allow. Real scientists should be able to recognize the difference between a hypothesis and an accepted theory and trust the two accordingly.

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  6. Nice Euphemism! by Mirk · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I really liked this part of the article:
    Anyone who has worked in industry long enough to have experienced a business cycle knows how unbearable the job pressure can get when a company is in trouble and how this pressure can turn otherwise excellent and honest scientists into willing deceivers. It is neither uncommon nor hard to understand. Threaten a resourceful person with loss of home and endangerment of family and it is scarcely surprising that the person "innovates."

    There you have it ``innovation'' == ``dishonesty''

    Over to you, Microsoft ... :-)

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  7. This has been building for a long time... by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the seventies, I was a graduate student in zoology. I thought I saw a distinct change in culture occurring.

    On the one hand you had people typified by older zoologists, who were gentlemanly academic putterers, studying animals and publishing papers. Their ambitions seemed to be a full professorship, continuously funded grants, support for their graduate students, and a bit more lab space.

    On the other hand you had people typified by younger molecular biologists, who were hard-driving, competitive, and occasionally arrogant. Some of them gave me the impression that commercial success was in the back of their minds--maybe not even far in the back.

    I don't mean to suggest this was a zoology-versus-molecular-biology thing. It was more a change in the zeitgeist. During the years I was a grad student I was certain that I was seeing science becoming more and more competitive.

    You could see the "methods" sections in papers becoming shorter and more perfunctory, for example. I was aware of at least some cases in which scientists guarded some of their techniques because they WANTED to be able to get results that others could not get.

    As anyone who's read "The Double Helix" knows, competition in science was not new. It was, of course, hard to be sure, then and now, how much of this perception was accurate and how much was just my growing awareness of what had always been there.

    Naturally, this was a frequent topic of spirited conversation.

    I remember saying, "Well, IF my perceptions are correct, one of the things we should expect to see over the next decade or so is an increasing number of scandals involving faked data."

    And I really think this is what we've seen.

    (Of course I don't have numbers to back this up--faked data is not new, either).

    1. Re:This has been building for a long time... by simong_oz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You could see the "methods" sections in papers becoming shorter and more perfunctory, for example.

      Along the same lines:

      In my experience, it is extremely rare to find a journal/conference publication that includes enough information in the methods section to allow others to either check or verify the work or use the findings themselves. Vital information is almost always missed out - it's an artifial intellectual property control, and, as the parent post says, makes it easier for data to be faked.

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    2. Re:This has been building for a long time... by Idarubicin · · Score: 3, Insightful
      On the one hand you had people typified by older zoologists, who were gentlemanly academic putterers, studying animals and publishing papers.

      I will paraphrase Ernest Rutherford, since I can't find a definitive version of his quotation on the Web right now. He said something to the effect of, "All science is either physics or stamp collecting."

      More generally, research can be lumped into two broad (and overlapping) camps: phenomenology and investigation. Phenomenology involves making more and more detailed reports of the world, but does not require one to perform experiments or formulate hypotheses. Investigation includes attampts to gain a "deeper" sort of understanding of problems--it is not merely stamp collecting.

      Unfortunately, much of biology was trapped in phenomenological models until relatively recently. Until the development of tools to pursue the study of molecular biology and genetics, we were limited to a basic acceptance that heredity existed, and some handwaving about evolution and so forth--and we could label all of our stuffed specimens, because taxonomy just takes a sharp eye and some good guesswork. (Even so, many species are now being reclassified as genetics tools are brought to bear on them. The taxonomic kingdoms I learned in school are not the ones being taught now.)

      In physics, you can look at a system and in principle describe all of the interactions at work. If it is a simple system, you can perform calculations that predict how it will evolve over time.

      In biology, take a single cell. We still can't describe everything that goes on in that little cubic-micron space, though we're getting closer. We're finally starting to understand the way many of the more important chemical pathways within cells operate. We can fold simple proteins in simulation. Some of the genetic tinkering we can do actually has predicatable effects.

      So of course biology is changing as a field--it is graduating from stamp collecting to science. That will attract new attitudes, new people--and new funding.

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  8. One of the big problems in science now... by TheWhaleShark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's a big pressure now for people in the Biological sciences to produce something useful. When you put science under pressure like that, you're bound to see lots of people cutting corners, falsifying data, and generally doing things against the great principles of science.

    That's a big side effect of corporate funding for science; if some corporation is giving you money to research, say, some new gene, they want viable results and they want them soon. They don't understand that you can't rush science; if you do that, you get an inferior (and often dangerous) product. Hell, just watch an ad for any new allergy medication; the side effects take up most of the ad time.

    The real problem is that there needs to be more funding from different sources (government funding, mehtinks?) so that particular labs won't represent the goals of one lone corporation; if you have to answer to many people, you're bound to take your time.

    It's a big nasty mess, and one that really needs to be resolved. We can only go on like this for so long before someone fucks up royally and everyone pays for it.

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  9. Lies by ivrcti · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I found it fascinating that at only one place in the article, buried at the end of a long and complex paragraph did the author use the terms lies. He frequently used euphemisms such as "creative", but only once he did directly refer to dishonesty. Yet in the end, this sort of scientific smoke is simple dishonesty at its core. Only when a man chooses to surrender his personal integrity, do these problems occur. Our attempt to color them with quiet shades of pastel only makes the behavior more likely.

    What does this say about our culture in general and the effect on our scientific community?

  10. it should really be quite simple by g4dget · · Score: 3, Interesting
    (1) If it's published in a scientific, peer-reviewed publication, it must contain all the information to be reproducible; if it requires special materials for reproduction, the authors must make those evailable. Publishing irreproducible results goes by a different name: public relations and marketing, either for a company or a career; it has no place in science.

    (2) If people put their names on a paper, they should define their contributions and be responsible for the results. If they don't want to accept responsibility for parts of a paper because they didn't work on it, they should say so clearly.

    Unfortunately, it has become common practice for people to pad their publications through multiple authorships: five people writing five papers each only have one publication each, but five people putting their names on each other's publications have five publications each; so much more marketable for job hunting that works by counting publications.

    It doesn't look like much is changing. In response to the Schoen affair, the American Physical Society weasled out of a requirement of academic responsibility by all authors; things are just continuing the way they are. And scientific papers with little more substance than press releases are becoming increasing common, in particular in the biomedical sciences, as companies promise the sky and find them good PR and marketing materials. And editors are afraid to reject that junk.

    But since the peer review system and system of academic publications is becoming increasingly corrupt and useless, perhaps on-line publishing of results without peer review will become the norm. Then, it is really word-of-mouth and recommendations by known friends, as opposed to anonymous reviewers, that matter.

  11. uncovering the purpose of patents, copyrights, etc by The_Rook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if you carefully read lauglin's essay, one of the things he laments is the secrecy behind which coorporate sponsored research takes place. i suppose it would be redundant to mention that the elimination of this secrecy is what patents and copyrights were originally designed to prevent.

    patents, exclusive licenses to new inventions, are granted for the sole purpose of encouraging inventors to publish, in full detail, their inventions. without patent protection, for example, texas instruments and fairchild semiconductor may not have ever told anyone how to make an integrated circuit. they would have made the first chips under a cloak of secrecy, sold them as black box devices, and bury the chips in epoxy to protect the secret.

    unfortunately, industry, the lawmakers, and even the courts have forgotten the whole idea of patents is to publish. industry wants to call patents property that should belong to the holder and anything that weakens the patent is the equivalent of a 'taking'. congress and the patent office are all to happy to agree. and the courts have screwed the matter up further by taking the position that engineers and inventors are not legally qualified to decide if they are infringing on a patent, and so are not allowed to even look at one when trying to come up with new inventions.

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  12. Ethics Guidelines for Physicists by Drog · · Score: 4, Informative
    As stated, the physics community has been scarred by two scandals recently. First the Berkeley scandal last July, in which scientists retracted their claim to have created element 118, after realizing that the crucial data analysis by Dr. Victor Ninov could not be confirmed. Then last September, nanotechnology superstar Dr. J. Hendrik Schön, of Bell Labs, was found guilty of falsifying data on the properties on superconductivity and organic electronics. He was fired and more than a dozen published papers were retracted).


    So last month, the American Physical Society, representing some 40,000 physicists, expanded the ethical guidelines for researchers, in their Statements on Profession Conducts document. The new guidelines call for more ethics training in science and urge all research institutions to adopt the same set of misconduct procedures. The guidelines also clarify co-authors' roles and duties, making it clear that when you put your name on a paper, your reputation is on the line.


    Biologists faced similar scandals during the Gallo and Imanishi-Kari cases in the 90's. Unlike Robert Gallo and David Baltimore, who survived the scandal virtually unscathed, the physicists involved in today's scandals are actually being held accountable.


    The above info was compiled from an article that originally appeared here.

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  13. Edison and other 19th century scroundrals by peter303 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Scientific misconduct is nothing new, but in the long run things work out. The scientific method is inherently self-correcting, but sometimes that takes decades to work out.

    Some of the 19th century "competition" has become the stuff of legends. Edison vs. Telsa to design the national electric grid. Telsa's ideas won out. Edison vs. almost everyone else. The dinosaur pioneers Marshal and Cope. One used the others name for fossilized shit! But in the end the real facts survived and the garbage disappeared.

  14. Patents Are The Solution by Compulawyer · · Score: 5, Informative
    There has always been a delicate balance between the open and free exchange of ideas like that which occurs in scientific dialog and the need for those who invest in scientific endeavors to be able to recoup their investment. Patents are the means by which this balance is struck.

    This is not a new idea. Article I section 8 of the United States Constitution provides that Congress may "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. . . " (capitalization in original). This clause is the basis of Congress's power to grant patents and copyrights.

    The trade-off is simple: Inventors are given a limited time (currently 20 years from date of the filing of a patent application) during which they may recoup their investment and profit from their work with the reassurance that they may sue to stop anyone who tries to get a free ride off their work by copying an invention and thereby trying to profit from the work of another. In exchange, the patent has to contain "a written description of the invention, and of the manner and process of making and using it, in such full, clear, and exact terms as to enable any person skilled in the art to which it pertains . . . to make and use the same, and shall set forth the best mode contemplated by the inventor of carrying out his invention." 35 U.S.C. sec. 112, para. 1.

    Section 112 is one of the most litigated provisions in the law. Ever. Each and every word has been exhaustively examined by the federal courts and has been found consistently to carry out the policy of ensuring that once the limited time for recouping an investment has passed, that society as a whole has enough information so that anyone in that technical area ("art") can make and use the invention simply by reading the patent.

    What are the alternatives to this regime? There are two that readily come to mind. The first is that if you believe that all scientific knowledge should be immediately available without restriction, then by all means, publish the work and make it freely available to anyone who wants it. No one will stop you from doing that (unless of course you are teaching how to build nuclear weapons, etc., ...). The second alternative is to protect your invention by keeping it as a trade secret.

    Trade secrets do little to promote the progress of science. They work more of a hindrance. Those who have chosen this route must ensure that their invention truly remains secret or their protection and ability to recoup their investment is lost or greatly diminished. The principal "progress" occurs when someone decides that the invention is too valuable to not have access to, and decides then to reverse-engineer the invention to discover its secrets. Trade secrets potentially last in perpetuity, so it is theoretically possible that no one will ever learn or benefit from the secret scientific advance.

    I am not blind - I know there are substantial problems with patent examinations that allow invalid patents to issue. However, the proper remedy for that is to ensure only good patents issue. How? First, by allowing the PTO to hire enough competent examiners to handle the work flow. The PTO is a self-sufficient agency. It is actually a significant profit center for the government. Much of the money paid into the PTO however is immediately diverted by Congress for other purposes instead of being put back into the PTO to improve the agency. Most recently, Congress drastically increased the size of user fees at the PTO to pay for Homeland Security. I am confident in saying the the diversion of user fees from the PTO is among the Top 3 Gripes of every patent attorney in the US.

    The execution may be flawed at times, but the policy is sound. We have advanced much further as a society by granting patents than we would have otherwise.

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  15. The very sad thing is by phorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That it will make it that much harder to believe the real scientific breakthroughs. I mean, if you've got some scientists working a month of after-hours in a lab, and suddenly he comes through with cold fusion or a cure for AIDS. The next day, he's on the phone yammering about how he's done it, but because of the stress/caffeine/lack-of-sleep he can't remember the exact steps to making his project, and it's not quite working today. The scientific communicate will just hum and haw, ignoring his finding until they can be fully substantiated.

    Unfortunately, not all experiments are a 100% reproducable result. Sometimes there are outside factors that one doesn't think of (hey, the moon was full and the tide was high), that make an experiment very hard to produce. If scientists aren't trusted and can't immediately able to produce results, they won't be able to get the additional funding that may be required for further research (it worked, but doesn't now, but it worked, so why?).

  16. OSS, GPL or BSD by oliverthered · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It seems to me that RMS needs to come up with a GPL for scientific discoveries and inventions.

    The human genome should have been GPL'd not BSD'd

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  17. Re:Dissent by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It is much better to look for an effective HIV protease inhibitor than it is to look for patterns in the mating habits of fruit flies.


    You don't know any fruit farmers, do you?

    If you know what a retrovirus is, what a protease is, what a protease inhibitor is ... you know these things because of someone's "blue sky" research, years or decades ago, when they had no apparent importance. Directed research is good. It's important. It very obviously gives us a great many things that allow us to live happier, healthier, longer lives. But there has not been a single major technological advance in the last century or so -- and not that many major advances throughout human history -- that has not depended on basic scientific knowledge gained by someone doing research that, at the time, was about knowledge for knowledge's sake.

    And I really suggest you read up on fruit flies.
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