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Old Age Simulator

quackking writes "Tired of being young and healthy? Now you can simulate your own old age. This story describes a sensory-modification suit which, among other things, selectively blocks out certain sound frequencies, and lets you experience arthritis."

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  1. Old != Decrepit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is just a worse case scenario. Look at Sean Connery. He's 72. This would be a good scare tactic for young people who don't take care of themselves.

  2. Age Explorer is a Elderly-discriminating Machine by digital_freedom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Simulate arthritis? Make all of you joints ache? Is this what being old is for all of the elderly? I think not, my friend's father is well over 70 years old, but he bikes everyday, works out, and lives an active lifestyle. Sure he doesn't rave every weekend like a 20 year old, but he lives a very fulfilling life. I'm going skiing with him in a week. This article paints a picture that this machine shows how elderly feel, but in my opinion it paints an extreme case. The elderly can have productive pain free lives.

    How they do this, is by taking care of themselves while they are young. Eating right and exercising are great ways to keep you body working at peak performance, so when you do get old, everything still works.

    This machine would have the people who try it believe that all the elderly feel this bad all the time. It might lead some to think that euthanasia is the answer or that we should treat the elderly as helpless people, unable to even get onto a bike. Perhaps we shouldn't even let them drive.

    A better machine would be one that would show the effects of aging based on the wearer's health, fitness, and diet today and project how they would be in 40 years or so with those same habits. It may reinforce their good health now, or for those who are overweight, show them how diabetes, arthritis, and other diseases will stem from their current state. Then the wearer could see how it would feel if they actually took better care of themselves now. Now that would be a good machine for exploring old age.

  3. You know what? by SteweyGriffin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I plan on living a long, healthy life.

    This suit won't apply to me personally. Some people, yes. But those people are the same folks who eat fast-food once or twice a day, never exercise, don't have any spiritual beliefs or practices.

    Jack La Lanne is nearly 100 years old, yet he looks 65 and still works out every day. I was born in the 1970s, and I plan on living well into my 120s and 130s. I'm not kidding.

    - Eat healthy food. Pretend you're a car. Would you put sugar into your gas tank? Of course not. So don't eat junk food either.
    - Exercise. It keeps your mind clean and your body healthy.
    - Listen to music. It soothes the soul. Playing music is even better.
    - Smile a lot. Be happy. Happy people live longer. They like being alive!
    - Have sex/masturbate frequently. The chemicals released during sexual activity make you feel better and aid normal day-to-day activities.
    - Don't smoke.
    - Don't drink.
    - Have beliefs. There has to be some spiritual basis in your mind. You don't have to be Catholic or anything, but that doesn't mean you can't do yoga or pray to some higher power.

    Quit your Coca-Cola + Frito Lay + Computer habit that dominates many of your lives. I eat pears, apple slices with peanut butter, celery & peanut butter, raisins, nuts, cereal, etc. while at the computer. Most of you probably don't. Ditch those M&Ms for some healthy trail mix!

    Oh God, and please smile too! Life isn't that rough. It'll be better if you take things as they come. Just ENJOY being alive! Life is interesting if nothing else.

    And keep games to moderation. This includes Slashdot. Too much of any one thing is bad. Life your life in moderation. Sleep well!

    Good things will come, and you and I will still be roaming these hills for 100+ years to come!

    1. Re:You know what? by drsquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Living to 120? That's not living, that's surviving. Surviving miserably. 'Living' involves having an ENJOYABLE life. I.e. doing pleasing things, such as drinking, eating delicious food, doing dangerous things.

      If I had to be constantly sober, hungry and unsatisfied from eating nuts and grass, drinking mineral water and playing crap sports for the sole sake of living to some miserable age, I'd just kill myself right now.

      What's the point in living to 130 if you're living a hard, miserable empty existence?

      "Smile a lot. Be happy. Happy people live longer. They like being alive!"

      Except, as you fail to note, being happy depends on being in circumstances which would actually make you happy. You can't change your circumstances, short of winning the lottery and moving to a place where it isn't constantly dark and raining. When your average day consists of 1 hour waiting for a bus in the rain and dark, 1 hour sitting on a clammy, cramped, loud sweaty bus, 12 hours doing difficult, dull and stressful work, 1 hour trying to cook up something edible from the gone-off scraps of food in the cupboard, then the rest of the day lying exhausted on your bed, it's hard to consider yourself 'happy'.

      "Sleep well!"

      You try sleeping well on a tiny, uncomfortable bed with half the springs broke, the sheets smelling terrible, in a freezing cold room, lit up by over-bright sodium lights outside, and the constant noise of violent louts outside keeping you awake, whilst worrying about unpaid bills and contemplating whether just to end it all or not.

      "So don't eat junk food either."

      Are you going to cough up the expense of all that luxury healthy food for everyone? No, I didn't think so, so don't complain when I can only afford pasties and chips and pies and burgers. Not all of can afford to go to a fancy restaurant or eat expensive salad sandwiches every lunchtime, or to have prawns and lobster for tea, or to drink healthy mineral water. All I can afford is pudding and cheaps, and the tap water tastes so awful the only option is to drink supermarket brand coke.

      Exercise. It keeps your mind clean and your body healthy.

      Yeah, everyone wants to go for a run or something in the grim dark of the morning, in the rain and cold and wind, around dodgy places full of thugs and drug dealers, whilst your tired, exhausted body cries out for precious sleep. That sounds like a lovely thing to do. Or maybe you're one of those rich ponces who can afford extortionate gym fees, and a car to get there, and you think that applies to everyone else as well.

      Don't drink.

      Great, the one, single remaining piece of pleasure I get out of life, gone. Maybe I could spend the time instead fixing the broken water heater or banging my head against the wall.

      You know, people like you really piss me off. You have a great, happy life, where everything goes right for you, probably living in some great, happy paradise where everyone is happy and nothing ever goes wrong, and then you can't understand that anyone else could possibly be under worse circumstances than you, or why other people might not feel the same way about abandoning their pleasures and leading an even longer, more miserable life.

      Can someone please explain to me how I would be better off by making my life even more miserable and extending the misery by 200%, because I can't see it.

    2. Re:You know what? by visualight · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I always that it was interesting that genisis (I think it was genisis) says this:

      Genesis, Chapter 6, Verse 3:

      "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

      And in the 60's Leonard Hayflick comes up with the "Hayflick Limit" which basically says that human cells can only replicate so many times so that no matter what you do you can only live to be about 120 years old. Might be just a coincidence but it's still interesting.

      Rob

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      Samsung took back my unlocked bootloader because Google wants me to rent movies. They're both evil.
    3. Re:You know what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Some of the richest people in history grew up in those conditions. They rarely drank but instead planned for the day when they could seize an opportunity.

      Everyone is entitled to pursue as much instant gratification as they want but it's a hollow substitution for spending time to improve the future and solving the original problem. Happiness comes from accomplishment using what you've got. Money can buy comfort but it can't buy fulfillment.

    4. Re:You know what? by xombo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think I would rather live to about 70, having fun in life and doing things I like (drinking soda, eating junk food, etc), rather than living to 130 eating rasins and running 10 miles a day. I think it is better to enjoy life for a little while, rather than just be careful for a long time. I am sure you could say you are happy dancing with the bunny rabbits, and eating berries, but if you started drinking soda and eating mcdonalds food, you would be hooked and never want to go back. And I don't think that your meditation and such will help you survive a carwreck or somthing of that sort.

  4. Posts seem to be missing the point of the article by mondoterrifico · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This suit is designed specifically to give manufacturers an idea of the ease of use of their products, by people that are elderly.

    Yes you may know some 70 year olds that are fitter then 30 year olds, but there are alot that have trouble performing everyday tasks.

    This suit is a pretty neat idea on how to make better design choices.

  5. Re:Age Explorer is a Elderly-discriminating Machin by mesocyclone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Contrary to the fantasies of the young, much of how you feel as you age depends on luck and genetics, not lifestyle. Lifestyle certainly counts, but we don't even know what is best. For example, exercise a lot and if you aren't lucky and careful, you will have *more* arthritis as you age. Eat well and when you get old you may discover that what was thought was eating well was no longer the best.

    I had the misfortune to contract an intestinal infection relatively young. It triggered an autoimmune disorder that has caused me trouble for over 20 years. Lifestyle had nothing to do with it! Now I am an old fart with arthritis (and not from overexercising I guarantee you!). Friends of mine who were in took care of themselves are dead from various causes (cancer, stroke, etc).

    People want to believe they are immortal and in control of things. I see this the most in pilots (which I used to be) as they analyze how *they* wouldn't make the stupid mistakes that just killed one of their peers. The cult of exercise is a similar psychological phenomenon. A lot of people believe, deep down, that if they exercise well and eat the right stuff (and maybe avoid pesticides or power plants, or wear tin hats when the UFOs fly over), they will live forever... or at least long enough that they need not consider their mortality. I think this is one reason that people have such extreme emotional reactions to certain kinds of risk - such as nuclear power or trace chemical contaminants.

    There is no doubt that moderate exercise is better than no exercise, and that overweight is worse than not being overweight. Beyond that, it's far less clear what to do. Probably the most important determinant, for someone in our prosperous society, is what parents they chose.

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    The only good weather is bad weather.

  6. Weird by vadim_t · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see people talking about manufactures using those to test how old people would feel inside their cars or whatever. Okay, I understand somebody might try this thing out of curiosity, but car manufacturers? Wouldn't it be easier to pay a few old people?

  7. Re:This doesn't sound like a very good simulator by HamNRye · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really, In my old age I plan to have sufered a car accident leaving me paralyzed from the waist down. Will this simulate that??

    It would be nice if our joints stiffened on a predictable schedule. If we all had arthritis with the same severity at the same age.

    I can understand where this might aid in usability studies and the like (of course, you could just hire 75 year olds to test products) but I worry that statements like Julia's could have the opposite effect. The young believeing that every elderly person is some sort of invalid. Statements such as "I could barely buy a rail ticket" implies that anyone over the age of 60 is incapable of being fit and lively.

    Heck, why not design a suit that simulates being thirtyish. Give everyone a bad back, too little sleep, make the joints in the suit pop incessantly between 8:00 and 9:00 in the morning. Put twenty pounds in the thighs and belly of the suit, and small needles in the ass to simulate your newly found irritable bowel and hemorroids. A visor that slightly blurrs the vision to simulate staring at a monitor all day and that monday hangover you get from trying to prove you can still party. Same pins in the hand to simulate your carpal tunnel.

    "I couldn't even ride a bike!" says Julia, 18. "After sitting for 8 hours in that office chair staring at a monitor, My back hurt too bad, and the bike seat aggrivated my Hemmoroids." Another user concluded "I couldn't even buy a rail ticket. My eyes were exhausted from staring into a CRT all day, I couldn't read the schedule, and benefits and taxes consumed so much of my pay check that I could barely afford the rail anyway."

    The Thirty-something suit should also include a 25 lb. weight that is strapped on the chest when they get home to simulate their children.

    I guess as much as we know that this is not every thirty year old, we should realize that the "Old Suit" is not every elderly person. Also, we need to realize that over time you become accustomed to your joints becoming stiff, you eyesight fading. To have it happen in 30 seconds as opposed to 30 years is bound to have a more drastic effect.

    ~Hammy

  8. Hollywood's reality distortion by g4dget · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Hollywood distorts reality terribly: between make up, digital image enhancements, plastic surgery, and careful media managment, almost anybody and everybody seems to stay "youthful" until they unexpectedly die. Most Hollywood stars in real life don't look anything like what they look like on screen even when they are young.

    If you exercise moderately and don't smoke, you'll extend your life somewhat and are at lower risk of some unpleasant diseases. Beyond that, it's out of your control.

  9. Re:29 years old and ready for grave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I used to be that way when I was coding hours on end. Then I took up racquetball with a friend of mine and played a few times a week. It really does wonders for your body. After the first few days I was aching like crazy (I wasn't very good at first), but after a few more times my body got used to it, got better at playing and I had a _lot_ more energy. So, I recommend taking up a sport or something. Racquetball is a good sport: it's indoors, has nice air-conditioned courts, you can play it regardless of the weather, it's far more interesting than running, and it's great fun.