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Whither America's Technological Edge?

baldass_newbie asks: "Ben Stein wrote an editorial titled, 'How to Ruin American Enterprise'. To me, technological innovation is a big outward sign of a successful economy. Sometimes it appears like the U.S. is losing its edge in technology. Well, I was wondering what the Slashdot community at large thinks is wrong (or right) with the U.S. and technological innovation?" The article deals less with technology and more with the society on which said innovation is based, and the problems that may bring it down around our collective ears. Give the article a read, and share your thoughts on whether or not you think it's an accurate assessment on the current and future situation of America's technological advantage.

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  1. Can I moderate Mr. Stein -1 Flamebait? by Doktor+Memory · · Score: 5, Informative
    9) Develop a suicidal immigration policy that keeps out educated, hardworking men and women from friendly nations and, instead, takes in vast numbers of angry, uneducated immigrants from nations that hate us.
    Uh huh.

    Whatever you might happen to think about our current immigration policy (I don't like it much myself), there's no getting around the fact that this is hyperbolic bullshit. The vast majority of illegal aliens in the US are migrant workers from Mexico. (Following Mexico are El Salvador, Guatamala and Canada. You have to go all the way down to #17 before you find a country with any substantial terrorist activity: our "ally" Pakistan.) Say what you will about Mexico, but it is not exactly a hotbed of anti-American radicalism.

    The rest of this article is exactly the sort of mixture of over-stressed common sense and batshit insanity that I would expect from a former Nixon toady.
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  2. CA schools have money, they just waste it... by aquarian · · Score: 4, Informative

    The real problem with CA schools is bureaucratic inertia and waste. LA, for example, has approximately one administrator for each teacher on its payroll. And guess whose salary is higher?

  3. What America Exceeds At by unfortunateson · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unfortunately for Neal Stephenson's forecasting record, it may no longer be fast pizza delivery (Domino's got sued (see Stein comment #3)), or software (lots of the kewl open source stuff is, indeed overseas -- can you say linux? [I can't pronounce it right no matter how many times I try -- leenooks?]), but it's still entertainment.

    1) Fun: We still produce more films than anyone but India, and not many people outside of the subcontinent watch those anyway. A substantial amount of the television shows (Emeril!) music, video games, theme parks, etc. still come from the good ol' US of A.

    2) Pharmaceuticals -- now careful, I'm not lumping these with Entertainment. Prescription drugs are mostly innovated here.

    3) Microprocessors -- sure they're manufactured where the labor is cheap, but Intel, Moto, IBM... they're developing the stuff here.

    4) Industrial Design -- The shiny new cars that are manufactured by foreign companies use US design teams. Why do you think Daimler bought Chrysler?

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  4. Re:Ben , ben ... who cares by jgalun · · Score: 5, Informative

    Poor Ben Stein.

    Born and raised in privelage then appointed to work for Nixon as an economic advisor. Soon thereafter we had the worst economy since the depression.


    I don't know if it's fair to blame the Nixon recession on conservative economics. LBJ had left Nixon with massive military spending on a war in Vietnam and new Great Society spending. And then the Arab nations began their oil boycott.

    All three of these factors led to massive inflation (massive spending on the military; massive spending on domestic programs; more young people in Vietnam and fewer young people in the work force; and a rising price of oil, a key price factor in many products). In response, Nixon instituted price ceilings. NOTE: Price ceilings are not a conservative, free-market response to inflation. It is a response generally associated with the left-wing, in fact.

    More specifically, blaming Ben Stein for the Nixon recession is foolish - Ben Stein was a speechwriter in the Nixon Administration, not an economic policy advisor.

  5. Re:This is rich by Washizu · · Score: 3, Informative

    "the man who said mmorpg's should be illegal because his son was 'addicted' to them"

    I never heard about this so I looked up some info on it:

    http://everquest.allakhazam.com/news/sdetail1150 .h tml?story=1150&start=175

    http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/showtell/stor y/ 0,24330,3406487,00.html

    http://www.etonline.com/television/a12770.htm

    He claims his son was worse off because of playing Everquest, but I couldn't find a single statement saying he thought online games should be illegal. Does anyone know if he really said this?

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  6. Re:School by Malc · · Score: 2, Informative

    American schools were recently ranked 18th in the world.

  7. Re:School by elluzion · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had a similar experience, though not to the degree of yours. I spent my first 11 years of school in DoD schools. My dad was in the army. I moved to a civilian school in the middle of the 11th grade and it was totally different.

    My new Geometry class was still learning the basics (after a semester) whereas my first geometry class was already farther than the second would get all year. My new german class was still learning to count. The civilian school didn't even offer a civics class for me to transfer into. They had a single-semester class named "Government" that I slept through for an A. It was pretty shameful. My children will not go to public schools. Though I don't know how much better private schools are.

    I could not believe the differences. I am glad I had the benefit of 10 and a half years in DoD schools.

  8. Re:Well, duh. by FatRatBastard · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hm. Well, all of your facts are wrong.

    Well then take it up with the California Dept. of Finance since it's they numbers they're reporting.

    As for the "Top Flight" that was a tad snarky, just as snarky as a matter of fact as your assertion that all but the top private schools are nothing but Christian madrases. You can get a damn good private education for half the price, and not just one where your kids' "faith won't be troubled by learning about biology or geology or physics."

  9. Re:Since When Did America Have a Tech Edge? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Who split the atom?

    It happened at the University of Chicago. Yea most of the scientists were foreign born and recent immigrants, but that's how the US works.

    Who put humans in orbit? Germans working for the Soviets, same as the Germans working for the Americans that put our people in orbit.

  10. Re:Well, duh. by FatRatBastard · · Score: 3, Informative
    Taken from the 2002-03 Governor's Budget Summary (first paragraph):
    Ensuring that the 6.1 million pupils enrolled in California's public schools receive a high quality education and are provided the tools to meet California's world-class standards, education remains this Administration's highest priority. Despite the fiscal challenge facing California, the 2002-03 Budget fully funds statutory growth and cost-of-living adjustments for K-12 programs. As indicated in Figure K12-1, approximately $53.9 billion will be devoted to California's 988 school districts and 58 county offices of education, resulting in estimated total per-pupil expenditures from all sources of $9,145 in fiscal year 2001-02 and $9,236 in fiscal year 2002-03.
    Ooops.. off by about $130, but still a hell of a lot higher than the number you quoted.
  11. Re:Since When Did America Have a Tech Edge? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Informative
    the automobile

    The internal combustion engine is usually attributed to Benz, a German. The american inventor was a patent fraud whose claim to have invented the engine was thrown out by the US courts in the Ford case.

    the sowing machine

    The first functional sewing machine was invented by the French tailor, Barthelemy Thimonnier, in 1830. There were about 6 previous patents for sewing machines of which the first US one came in at number 5...

    electricity

    Try Faraday, Royal Society, London

    the light bulb

    Swan invented the light bulb first and actually filed his patent first to boot. Edison only got a patent because at the time the USPTO did not recognise foreign inventions or prior art.

    bar-b-que

    I don't think you can count that since the Hawaiian islanders were having BBQ before the US was founded, before Westerners had discovered it even. I don't think you can count inventions aquired by conquest.

    the vaccine

    "In 1796 English country doctor Edward Jenner found that if a small amount of material was taken from a cow suffering from cowpox and injected into a healthy human child, that child would become immune to smallpox. " - incidentally the term vaccine comes from the Latin for cows.

    Should I continue?

    Well since that leaves you with only the atom bomb, the telephone, cotton gin and the laser I don't think you should. I'll disallow the Internet and the computer since the first computer design was British, the first practical computer was german (Konrad Zues Z1 and z2), the first electronic computer was british - the programmable enigma machines but was classified research, the Internet is not an invention it is an implementation of packet switching which was invented on both sides of the pond.

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