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Opera Gives That C64 Feel
howcome writes "Opera yesterday relased beta2 of the forthcoming 7.0 version. Opera now supports mulitple user style sheets and by selecting "Nostalgia" from the menu all web pages suddenly resemble Commodore 64 (screendump1 screendump2) from 20 years back. Also, there is a handheld emulator to see what a page will look like on a handheld device running Opera. To get you through Christmas, you can also use the "fast-forward" button. Try it on Google (screendump)!"
Yeah, but Apple still happens to add value, to various respective industries...
Like Final Cut Pro->iMovie, DVD Studio->iDVD, and the iPod+iTunes combo, among other things.
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Maybe with the C-One us 8-bitters can get closer to a real 8-bit Opera browser... :-) Of course it would probably have to run under Wings or Wheels though
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I realize you are trolling here, but things are slow at work, so I'll just go ahead and answer anyway.
If you can't be the best, do something kind of zany and creative in hopes of keeping your business afloat.
Okay, maybe you have not used Opera lately, but many people, including smart people like Joel Sponsky, would argue that Opera is the best. Considering what a small market they're dealing with (those people who don't use IE and are willing to pay for a web browser), the fact that they're still around should be enough evidence of this.
Hey, I guess they figured it works for Apple and could maybe work for them.
Apple is simply meeting a niche demand for stylish computers that are almost as good a price/performance value as competing PCs. You pay a small premium for a stylish design, which is worth it to many people (e.g., people who wear nice athletic gear or drive Mitsubishis).
I think you're either a) jealous that you can't afford Opera or an iMAC, or b) one of those Linux freaks who thinks they have a right to get everything for free. Either way, you're definitely not older than 16, so come back when you're grown up. Thanks.
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The new Embedded Opera looks fantastic for PDAs and cell phones, it basically reverses the zooming features and doesn't drop anything(except superfalous images), CSS, javascript, it's all in there. I hope us Zaurus users can get a free upgrade, I'm finally getting 802.11 for it in a few days ;)
put the what in the where?
Why would I want that? lynx is the best way I can think of to browse the web as a handicapped person would. Also, I don't want to open up another browser besides Opera to get that functionality.
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Hmmm... so I will be able to view websites as through the eyes of a c64, but I see nothing in the feature list about opera being able to render the page even though it hasn't downloaded all the images. Will _that_ be fixed in version 7? I hope so.
Opera needs MS mouse scroll wheel support, and this is the main reason I wont use it. The response the developers posted, "use autoscroll" on MS mice.
Get with the times, wheel mouse work with Mozilla/Phoenix/IE and Netscape, how about supporting it in Opera?
BTW, I hear it works fine with logitech mice, but all I have is m$ rodents.
see this for well thought out appraisal of opera's ui, particularly vis-a-vis mozilla's ui.
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It was called Impossible Mission. I was on a retro 64 kick about a year ago and downloaded Vice (a c64 emulator) and several game disk dumps from www.lemon64.com (sadly, they no longer host the actual game disks. I think they ran into legal trouble). Impossible Mission was one of the ones I downloaded.
The truly sad thing is that I was able to beat it again. The first time I tried it. That's just...creepy.
"Destroy Him, My Robots."
*step* *step* *step* *BZzzzzzzssszzszzzt*
*step* *step* *jump* "AaaaahhhhhhAAaHHhhhhhhhh..."
That game was way ahead of it's time.
I'd love to see a modern 3-D viewpoint version of it. I think with a behind-the-avataor camera viewpoint like Tomb Raider it would work well. And of course, the guy would have to do a flip every time you jumped, for no aparent reason.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
Don't worry, you can turn all of them off. All I have is the commands (without icons), window tabs, address bar, and status bar. You can turn off the icons, move things to the top or bottom or turn them off altogether, whatever you like. Once you register, the ad at the top goes away and the whole thing takes up no more real estate than any other useful app.
I completely agree with you about the clutter. It's one of my biggest bitches about most modern software - everything is lousy with button bars, speedbars, coolbars, iconbars, minibars, whatever. The first thing I have to do after installing something is turn pretty much all of it off. KDE apps are particularly bad offenders here - the default layout of KWord gives me something like 8 lines of text. What really bugs me is that 80% of these buttons are useless. Does *anyone* ever use the toolbar icons for cut/paste/new file?
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The nostalgia feature is great.. and completely useless. No wonder people don't take this web browser seriously.
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I am posting this from 6.11 on Linux, and I have to say there are still some issues with Opera. This afternoon, I went to the computer lab here on campus to print something (can't do that from my Linux box - the printers are on a different net). These machines run Windows NT 4 and I had installed Opera 6.0 on them a long time ago to avoid the woes of MSIE. I noticed that the text I printed wasn't justified, although it clearly had to be according to the style sheet, and it actually is justified in 6.11/Linux (and in Phoenix 0.4/Linux, too). Opera also still doesn't implement JavaScript DOM support very well, despite its otherwise fabulous standards compliance. On Linux I notice that it sometimes crashes unpredictably, and what really annoys me is that if I empty the address bar using ^A ^K, it copies the contents to the clipboard, making pasting URLs a pain. I suspect that at least the latter issue is Qt's fault, but I might be wrong there. (I'm a GTK+ aficionado anyway...yes I know, Xlib is the one true toolkit.) Having ventilated my frustration, I have to say that on the whole Opera is a great browser; slim, fast, good standards compliance, tabbed browsing, popup blocking, cookie filter, cheap, and European.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
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Just one question: why? I could understand when it was only IE and Netscape, and I could see how some might prefer it over Mozilla; but take a look at Phoenix and tell me what Opera has (besides nostalgia mode) that Phoenix doesn't, even though it's only a .5 release. I used Opera until early version 6 or so, then switched to Mozilla and now Phoenix. Is 7 worth another look, or is it mostly the same as before?
Agree! Opera has some features mozilla and pheonix don't have (even though that goes both ways), sure, but the most imporant thing is that the program, gui and rendering just feels a lot slicker.. more polished.. more responsive.. difficult to describe.. but both moz and pheonix
give me this feeling of "bloated-ness".. IE doesn't give me this feeling, but still opera feels better, and has a lot more useful features for me.
Of course, you have to give it a little time first to get used to it.. but once you've tasted it, you don't want to go back..
Does it support CSS-1, CSS-2, DOM, Javascript and XHTML properly, like Mozilla?
Or do they expect us to flush all the cool stuff we can do in Mozilla in order to remain compatible and continue to have web pages that haven't improved since 1998?
Have you ever built a web page or designed an interface? From your comments I'm going to assume the answer is no, and that you are either a DBA, marketing dude, or otherwise non-interface aware individual.
I do a lot of interactive consulting, and I can definitively say Opera is the worst of the four major browsers available (four being IE, NN, MOZ, and Opera). Why?
1) The "opera speed" is a factor of page caching choices made by their dev team. To that end any browser cna achieve an increase in parsing speed if their willing to put logic behind a caching system and virtually force users to employ cached data.
Remember that generally techies bypass all caching and force the browser to "always download a new version of the page", so folks who want to guarantee they get a current page don't get this speed gain. The reasons date back to the early caching fiascos of the major browsers as THEY attempted to make use of caching to "increase their speed."
Yes, most folks leave these elements active by default and will have faster browsing, but at what cost? It is COMMON for new elements of a page not to be detected, and then the user has an outdated page.
2) Opera 7.0 is a catastrophe. I've tested the browser against a whole bunch of DOM standardized code (DHTML, Javascript, etc.). It doesn't even implement BASIC rules properly. window.open properties? Not supported. Page x/y positioning and detection? Not supported, or when it is it's only in relation to an interior "window" that totally defies standardized browser behavior.
I was beginning to support Opera in all my scripts, but after testing the betas I've been forced to acknoeldge I won't do so going forward. The differences betwen 6.01 and 7.0 are ENORMOUS, and 6 is actually MORE standards comliant the 7!!!!
Thanks god opera's market share is small enough to ignore. If it works for them fine, if not they can scream at Opera's dev team.
-rt