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FCC Rule Cuts Bandwidth For 72-Mile 802.11b

sonamchauhan writes "This Computerworld article reported a 72-mile 802.11b wireless link (discussed in this Slashdot story). Now a Computerworld followup story is reporting the link power has been reduced by 75% to comply with FCC regulations for the 2.4-GHz band -- reducing the link's throughput from 1 Mbps to 300 Kbps. The owner is reported saying that: "any violation of the power limits was unintentional and resulted from the fact that the personnel working [on it] primarily have expertise in computers and not radio technology.""

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  1. ba-bump by unterderbrucke · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't write a comment, I'm leaving for CompUSA to buy all remaining 802.11b transmitters + receivers!

  2. Easy mistake by geogeek6_7 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its pretty easy to go over the maximum power output, which I believe is two watts. Assuming certain combinations of high-gain antennae and an amplifiers, there is no helping blowing past the FCC regs.

    To find out if you are over, you need to calculate to total db of gain you have, and convert that to watts.

    geogeek

  3. Told you so. by GigsVT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To all the people that flamed me in the previous story for pointing out they were likely violating FCC regs, bite me.

    People just couldn't fathom that college professors might not know what they are doing. Credentialism at it's worst.

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  4. 1 watt by akb · · Score: 5, Informative

    Everytime there's a story about 802.11b I wind up posting this link which provides a lucid explanation of the FCC rules in order to correct wrong information.

  5. What the link is used for: by dagg · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The link is used to carry data from a seismograph, data logger and Global Positioning System receiver. It cost about $3,000 to build and install.

    For that type of data, I would imagine that the reduced bandwidth will be just fine.

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  6. Still not too shabby by coolgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    300Kbps free transmission for 72 miles is fine in my book.

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  7. Re:Why? by GigsVT · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why is building your own transmitter ilegal?

    It's not. Operating it in certain ways is illegal though.

    Who decided that any government "owns" the radio spectrum?

    The people own the radio spectrum, the government is "the people". At least in theory.

    Who gives this organization such power to control the "airwaves"?

    Consent of the people.

    If anyone could transmit at any power anywhere on the spectrum, no one would be able to use any non-microwave frequency. One guy with one poorly designed transmitter can easily obliterate several frequencies at once, rendering them all unusable, on a nearly worldwide scale.

    I suggest you listen in on CB frequencies for a while at night to see what sort of thing lack of regulation would bring to the spectrum as a whole.

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  8. Why. by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Informative
    Government doesn't 'own' the radio spectrum - it regulates it. Who gives them the power to do so? We do, by having a government in the first place.

    Building your own transmitter is perfectly legal, and kinda fun. However, turning it on and broadcasting above the LPFM limits is illegal because you're interfering with someone else's transmission.

    The reason these rules exist (at least theoretically) are to prevent any and every organization from building hundred-thousand watt transmitters (or more!) and broadcasting their message willy-nilly... such as the KKK, NAMBLA, the RIAA, Coca-cola, etc. In order to get a license to broadcast, broadcasters must show signifigant community need, they have to have a local point-of-presence for the public to come in to see them, they must maintain public records, they must broadcast community interest messages (ads for local businesses, PSAs, etc.)
    These rules have been enforced a little bit loosely lately, but that's starting to step up - the FCCs enforcement budget was drastically increased this past year.

    Stop and consider what would happen, though, if the FCC didn't exist - companies would start broadcasting their advertisements non-stop, and if a competitor tries to broadcast theirs, the first one simply brings up the power on his transmitter and jams the other one out. Pirates (who, of course would not be pirates if there was no FCC) wouldn't have a chance, as there would be so much radio being broadcast that there wouldn't be anywhere they could find to put in a low power transmitter (and before you think about a high power one, keep in mind how expensive they are). After a short time of this, people would stop listening to the radio, stop watching TV, etc. There would be no reason to do so, as there would be nothing of entertainment or educational value. Radio and television would then die out.

    In essence, your question is very much the same as saying "why is carrying a gun around illegal? Who decided that any government could make laws telling me I can't carry a gun? Who gives them such power to enforce 'laws'?" The reason why is that it would be disruptive to society otherwise - that's why the FCC is there.
    We may not like 'em, but they're much better than the alternative.

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  9. Re:Why? Because. by susano_otter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The government doesn't "own" the radio spectrum; it regulates it.

    In theory, the government's power to control the "airwaves" was granted by the people, by way of their elected representatives--you and me, that is (or in this case, our parents and grandparents). In practice, of course, giving and taking power from the government is much more complicated and frustrating.

    The reasons for having a regulatory body for the radio spectrum should be obvious. The best reason I can think of offhand is airplanes. Airplanes rely heavily on communication via radio waves for safe and accurate travel. If there is no regulation (which might be though of as standards + enforcement), then no airplane can know with any certainty any of the important information:

    What band to use to communicate with air traffic control?

    What band to use to communicate with guidance beacons?

    What band to use to communicate in an emergency?

    Assuming you've got a good idea of which band to use, how can you guarantee that any of these bands will be available?

    Will the guidance beacon band be overridden by a nearby private transmitter?

    Will pranksters or malefactors transmit false traffic control instructions over the air traffic control band?

    Will high-powered transmissions from nearby (unregulated) transmitters inadvertently disrupt the plane's avionics during takeoff or landing?

    Without standards that everybody agrees on, and without proper enforcement of these standards, air travel would involve crashing planes into buildings on a regular basis. And that's just one of the many reasons why regulation is a good thing.

    Transmittors who think that regulation is an "opt-in" thing, and that they're somehow entitled to ignore it if they want to, ruin it for everybody else. Every use of the radio spectrum that you enjoy in your daily life is made possible by regulation. It's why your cellphone doesn't pick up Mexican radio stations. It's why your radio-dispatched taxi arrives on time to pick you up. It's why your satellite TV gives you a clear image, without static from nearby 802.11b nodes.

    Nobody "owns" the radio spectrum, but we all use it. Regulation helps make sure that it remains useful. You and I probably agree that the regulations aren't always beneficial to citizens, but ignoring them won't make things any better for anyone.

    If none of this is obvious to you, then how can we possibly trust you to voluntarily play nice with others? And if we can't trust you to play nice, then we're left with two options: abandon any hope of ever using the radio spectrum for anything at all, or else enforce the standards and keep the spoilers out of the spectrum.

    Which option would you vote for?

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  10. Re:Restrictions have reasons by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One issue is that satellites see the signal; there's always a little power transmitted into sidebands; and if the sideband lines up with a frequency that satellites use, then they can be in trouble. As WiFi becomes more and more popular this is going to become more of an issue.

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  11. Re:ba-bump bump! by t0qer · · Score: 5, Funny

    And I gotta get down to 7-11 before they outlaw pringles cans!

  12. Herein Lies the Problem by zentec · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The owner is reported saying that: "any violation of the power limits was unintentional and resulted from the fact that the personnel working [on it] primarily have expertise in computers and not radio technology." That says it all. A bunch of computer people playing with RF; no knowledge of Part 15 rules, no concept of RF. Really, if the FCC is going to assign new frequencies for wireless networking, we owe it to ourselves to become acquainted with the technology and the rules thereof. The last thing that anyone needs is to turn 802.11 into another RF wasteland like CB radio.