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Christmas in 2050

Makarand writes "A robotic kitchen assistant will help you with the Christmas meal preparations while you recieve instructions and monitoring assistance in real time from information systems for the cooking. Thanks to progress in biology and nanotechnology, the molecular processes needed to convert raw materials into turkey will be understood sufficiently well to make a good artificial turkey for the vegetarians. This is what we can expect this time in 2050 says Ian Pearson, BT's futurologist who is paid to dream, in this BBC News article. Absent family will join the celebrations virtually. There might be technology allowing us to read each others minds and being able to know what others are thinking may not always add peace and harmony to the celebrations. However on the upside, it will make charades a whole lot easier you will never get unwanted Christmas presents. Lastly, just as this Christmas was hijacked by a consumption fever, so too in 2050, Christmas will be all about presents."

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  1. Old news by GlassUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We were hearing about this in the 1940's. Sooo where's our jet packs, personal helicopters, and automated kitchens?

    Seriously, I think the people that dream up this stuff reduce the time to market by a factor of at least three. The dreams are great and all, but obviously not realistic.

    1. Re:Old news by JebusIsLord · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think, and I borrow loosely from Arthur C Clarke, that people always seem to underestimate human inginutity and overestimate the abundance of resources in the future. So for instance, the 60s view of 2002 looked like the 60s only with infinite resources to do whatever they wanted with simply improved 60s tech. We don't have hundreds of space stations, personal shuttles and such because we don't have infinite money, but we DO have computers that fit in the palms our our hands, and who would have thought that back then?

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    2. Re:Old news by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Labour losses through technological unemployment are hurting all nations of the world

      IMHO, the problem isn't labor losses through technological employment, it's the inability of society to catch up with technology. Or rather, technology has been improving so fast lately that the job market hasn't caught up with it yet.

      First a new technology comes out, or an old technology becomes affordable to everyone (the internet). Next we see a bunch of hiring in that sector. Next we see a crash, and the previously fast growing sector is in a labor crunch, dumping staff left and right.

      Also, overpopulation MUST be a contributing factor to the job shortages at this time. Our food methods are efficient enough to keep us all alive (for now, and I'm ignoring the countries that are still having serious hunger problems because many of them have become political balls in our own country and I'd prefer not to approach this subject at this time). Therefore, we do not need hunters. What do hunters do now? Well, they get diagnosed AD&D, er, ADHD, given drugs and spend the rest of their lives as losers living with their parents. But I digress.

      When a robot does the work, someone gets paid to make the robot, somehow. Sure, a group of robots might push out cars faster than a group of people, but who builds the robots? Obviously another assembly line packed with robots. So "building" now becomes what "engineering" used to be, and the thug labor that would've done the job before has to do something else. But what?

      Therein lies the problem. We don't have enough jobs to go around, but we definitely have too many people. I certainly don't wish suffering upon anybody, but perhaps some mass-killing machine would help. :)

      Anyway, many of our labor problems would be solved if we entered a true state of space exploration. When overpopulation pressures hit Europe, they had the fortune of re-discovering America to relieve the pressure. Japan went to war in the '30's because of their overpopulation, and technology has helped to alleviate their problem. But there's literally no place left for us to go, unless we start building underwater or on Antarctica (problematic when the surface altitude changes seasonally, but possible).

      So the magical solution to all of our problems is technology, but only insofar as technology helps us to enter either a new period of expansionism or a massively destructive war.

      Which one do you *want* to have?

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    3. Re:Old news by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Hey, don't leave out the ocean's surface. There's room enough to build thousands of state-sized floating cities for us meat-popsicles.

      Near as I can tell, it's a resource problem there. If we can get under the oceans safely we might have a shot at mining underneath the oceans, or something like that. The advantage to going to space is there's a reasonable chance we'll get raw materials there to continue our expansion. Going to the ocean's surface doesn't give us that, unfortunately. NOt that it won't help, but it will further sap existing resources.

      After that point, yeah, there's space, but rockets probably can't cheaply blast people off Earth faster than they're being born

      For this I refer you to Heinlein, but I forget which book he discusses this in (it might well be multiple books). It's not so important to save everybody on the earth right now, it's important to get some good minds and bodies off the planet in an autonomous fashion. The earth can kill itself, but the race will live on. This is something people tend to overlook when discussing these problems. It's just not important how many people leave compared to how many are being born, it's only important to get enough people out there that the race survives.

      However, if the race survives but the earth still dies, we haven't prevented the suffering. But first let's deal with the survival problem, then we'll deal with the suffering problem. Can't end suffering, but with any luck we might well be able to prevent foreseeable suffering.

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  2. Buzzword city. by Max+Threshold · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Will we even remember what half this crap is in 2050?

  3. AMD symbol? by MxReb0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So what does all these Popular Science-like predictions have to do with AMD?

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  4. Where are the spaceships, flying cars, etc? by mesocyclone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I was a kid in the '50s, the futurists predicted routine space travel by now, commuting by flying automobiles, the hyrdrogen economy, copious nuclear power production, intelligent robots, oh - and the end of the world by nuclear war.

    Hmmm...

    And they missed the information age, microchips, the sexual revolution, the civil rights movement, the air bag in cars, AIDS, velcro and genetic engineering.

    So much for futurists.

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    1. Re:Where are the spaceships, flying cars, etc? by ThinkingGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As I believe Scott Adams has pointed out, predictions of future technological advances usually miss the unintended side effects. For example, the growth of Internet and the World Wide Web has brought quick access to vast amounts of information and knowledge, but has also brought us junk e-mail, pop-ups, patent abuses (Amazon). So what will Christmas 2050 bring? Here are a couple of random thoughts...
      Currently kids have to wait to open their presents while dad checks his digital camera|video camera. In 2050, they'll be waiting while he hooks up everyone's head-mounted stim-sim recorders - "to capture the moment."
      There's been talk lately of "intelligent paper" and "flexible displays." Extrapolating this forward, I'd expect your Christmas presents in 2050 to require you to watch a commercial before you can open them.

  5. If I hear another by ericdano · · Score: 3
    If I hear another thing about the retailers suffering I'll vomit. Christmas is not about buying stuff and giving it to other people. It's about family and friends and good times. Why should that entail buying like $1K worth of gifts for everyone?

    Why not be nice and give gifts to people who need/deserve them throughout the year?

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  6. Never ceases to amaze me. by tgrotvedt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    How people always predict these whacky cliched technology innovations for the fairly near future, and nothing of the sort is ever created. Mind reading machines? I hate to sound like the guy who used to think the worl was flat, or the guy that said we would never go to the moon, but come on.

    New technology is far more likely to be very sensible, merely adding more "grunt" to what we have already, with a few sub-innovations here and ithere. As a people we are already discovering what we want; Fast data communications, medcine, digitalization, AI (a huge umbrella), time savers, entertainment etc.

    Let's start being more specific, choose certain already established technology and predict where it will go. All tyhe best technology evolves from working with what we have. We should try and built the bridges before we try to cross them.

    *sigh* I've began to sound like a whining, ranting Slashdotter more every day.

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  7. Read each other's thoughts??? Ugh! by phillymjs · · Score: 3, Funny

    There might be technology allowing us to read each others minds...

    Great... I can envision myself being bankrupted the first time I get a song stuck in my head for an entire day-- because I'm sure the RIAA will buy the laws to make them privy to my thoughts, and will demand a licensing fee for each separate instance that I thought about the song.

    ~Philly

  8. In The Year 2525 by SpaceRook · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Zager Evans
    In The Year 2525

    In the year 2525
    If man is still alive
    If woman can survive
    They may find

    In the year 3535
    Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
    Everything you think, do, and say
    Is in the pill you took today

    In the year 4545
    Ain't gonna need your teeth, won't need your eyes
    You won't find a thing chew
    Nobody's gonna look at you

    In the year 5555
    Your arms are hanging limp at your sides
    Your legs got not nothing to do
    Some machine is doing that for you

    In the year 6565
    Ain't gonna need no husband, won't need no wife
    You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too
    From the bottom of a long glass tube

    In the year 7510
    If God's a-comin' he ought to make it by then
    Maybe he'll look around himself and say
    Guess it's time for the Judgement day

    In the year 8510
    God is gonna shake his mighty head
    He'll either say I'm pleased where man has been
    Or tear it down and start again

    In the year 9595
    I'm kinda wondering if man is gonna be alive
    He's taken everything this old earth can give
    And he ain't put back nothing

    Now it's been 10,000 years
    Man has cried a billion tears
    For what he never knew
    Now man's reign is through
    But through the eternal night
    The twinkling of starlight
    So very far away
    Maybe it's only yesterday

    In the year 2525
    If man is still alive
    If woman can survive
    They may find

    In the year 3535
    Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
    Everything you think, do or say
    Is in the pill you took today ....(fading...)

  9. I heard this too by gabec · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... but when i saw it, it was on a "Popular Science" short from 1960 about how we'd be living in 1990. :P

  10. Robin? by Grip3n · · Score: 4, Funny

    A robotic kitchen assistant will help you with the Christmas meal preparations while you recieve instructions and monitoring assistance in real time from information systems for the cooking.

    But will he look like Robin Williams?

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  11. In the year 2050 by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny
    Your mom will be asking when you are going to get a job and move the hell out of the basement.

    Virtual Hot Grits will be the to-get gift of the season.

    Linux will be ready for the desktop, but all the desktops will have shrunk to fit in a pill that you swallow.

    The entire B*ush family will have died from a drug overdose.

    Cheney's heart will continue beating in a small bell jar at the McDonalds Intel Smithsonian.

    Michael Jackson will have transparent skin, and have Liz Taylors uterus 'installed' to give birth to an endless stream of monkeys.

    Music will be beamed directly into your head, and tinfoil hats make a fashion comeback.

    Steven Speilbergs 'Taken' will be on its final installment.

    The music industry finally disposes with allusion and inference, and two new acts hit the stage: Britney Bigtits and the boy band "Humpin' Yer Daughters"

    Slashdot's Karma will actually apply to real life, and trolls are forced to live underground, cracking human bones for the tasty marrow inside.

    Reality shows will move into your own home, with prizes for the 'best'(dysfuntional) family.

    The first frozen dead guy is revived, and by an incredible twist of fate, is named 'Fry'.

    Dick Clark will be suspended in ammniotic fluid. Just for the hell of it.

    The U.S., long since disbanded for mismanagement, will relocate to Kamchaka, and attempt to defend all those borders.

    Steven King will be found dead in his home. Even if you didn't like his books, you have to admit the affect he had on late 20th century literature.

    Cmdr Taco's daughter will run Slashdot, and in hopes of giving her a better life than he had, he will buy her a dictionary chip.

    Go Carts will still be fun, but pale in comparison to GyroCarts which will be super strong, cool and powerful.

    Soviet Russia will be a new Disney/AOL/TimeWarner/Microsoft/RedHat theme park, where the attractions ride YOU. Ok. It's a whorehouse.

    Steve Balmer will live his dream, starring in "Gorillas in the Mist: Lard of the Jungle"

    Grand Theft Auto 2050 is released. It's not a game anymore.

    Duke Nukem (We Told Ya!) is finally released, and it like totally blows.

  12. vegetarians by Transcendent · · Score: 3, Funny

    And there is good new for vegetarians, with turkey dinner being artificial, thanks to progress in biology and nanotechnology.

    Apparently scientists will by then have understood the molecular processes needed to convert raw materials into turkey sufficiently well to make a good replica.


    ...does anybody care about vegetarians that much??

  13. loser by Perianwyr+Stormcrow · · Score: 4, Funny

    He so totally forgot to mention shamanic magic, orks, and the Matrix.

    At least there will still be trolls, regardless of what happens.

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  14. Not the same by Jayson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In every example you gave, they all had a quantity that you are measuring, such as price or megahertz. It should be abundantly clear that innovation of new products doesn't fit this model, since there is no way to score it. Also you are only able to measure stable activities and innovation isn't stable, but veyr chaotic.

  15. Artificial turkey? by freeweed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Thanks to progress in biology and nanotechnology, the molecular processes needed to convert raw materials into turkey will be understood sufficiently well to make a good artificial turkey for the vegetarians.

    I thought a good chunk of vegetarians were that way more because of the health benefits of not eating meat. Creating a perfect artificial turkey would still come with all the side effects of eating real ones.

    Guess this could possibly help out the extreme vegans though, who don't want anything that came from processed animal products at all - assuming these 'molecular processes' work on 100% non-animal products.

    Oh well, futurists are always amusing.

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  16. Re:It may not be there... by The+Cydonian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Strangely enough, the Hindu far-right also talks of Hindu festivals such as Deepavali, Dussehra becoming extinct in the face of relentless evangelisation from the Christian far-right. And they, indeed, echo the Muslim far-right's concerns over young Muslim girls not wearing hijab, eating non-haleem meat, not celebrating Id-ul-Fitr with "proper" gaiety...

    Face it; it's not just (underground real) Christians under "threat".

  17. We already can convert raw material into turkey by Artifice_Eternity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...by feeding it to a small turkey, until said turkey is big enough to eat.

    A real "advance" would be the growth of free range and organic farming -- doing away with industrial farming techniques that involve shutting animals into crates, cramming them with chemical- and antibiotic-laden feed, and generally turning them into objects instead of living beings.

    Many people who now object to eating meat might change their minds, if they felt that the animals they consumed were raised in a healthy manner and treated humanely.

    I eat some meat, but try to steer clear of the more factory-farmed stuff in favor of organic/free-range products. It's preferable in so many ways: hygeinically, nutritionally, ethically, etc.

  18. How do you like the taste of shoe leather? by alizard · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Pull your foot out of your mouth before responding. I'm amazed you managed to find 3 moderators having off-days at the same time, even here. Technology is something we're supposed to know about. At least some of us.

    I found most of the projections timid.

    The "kitchen assistant" stuff is largely available in component form (mixers, ovens, etc. that can sync to a recipe and will tell the chef what to put in when, monitor quantities of ingredients, turn the oven on to a defined time/temperature, etc.) NOW. Ambitious would be to project that we'll have fully automated kitchens. That can be done in today's technology, though not in a form that'll fit a household kitchen. In the 2050 fast food restaurant, you'll be able to get things ranging from the current menu to anything available at the 5 star restaurants of today, but fast food restaurants will have disappeared as a separate category whose memory will linger only in brand names. Restaurants with human cooks and service will be considered superpremium places and will have prices to match.

    "there will be screens lining the wall."

    The price of flat-panel display technology is dropping and the availability is increasing. OLED is screen-printed, not vacuum deposited.

    Do you really think that videophones that can be attached to the network aren't going to be available for the price of a cheap one-piece deskphone now, and that the problems building a Net appliance that'll be secure and "Just Works" and of universal broadband availability won't be solved in 48 years?

    With the exception of thought recording and transference hardware, everything discussed is in either research or early pre-alpha. It is hardly the author's fault you haven't been paying attention, most of what's in the article has been bloglinked from here.

    The problem with this kind of futurism is that the futurist considers the future to be a linear extension of the present... while his predictions might be accurate, they look more like 2012 than 2050 to me.

    The problems with a robotic household all-purpose servant that can use human tools will be solved by then, but people may be so used to intelligent point-solution household appliances (automated vacuum cleaners, etc.) that nobody will care.

    The writer doesn't deal with space at all. One prediction I'm certain of. Either the human race will be exploiting the Solar System as a whole by then or nobody will have pleasant Xmases by then, people will be too busy suffering the kind of deprivations that go with cultures in a state of permanent war, in this case, over who gets enough of the Earth's dwindling resources of materials required to sustain technological society in order to keep one. I'm not talking about oil here, by then, we won't have a technological culture burning oil for fuel. That's why auto manufacturers are converting their assembly lines over to high-efficiency or fuel-cell vehicles. Even Toyota, who's going over to superefficient hybrid engines says that the vehicles are intended for easy conversion to fuel cells.

    However, some dreams are less likely than others. The problem with a personal jet pack is sort of obvious, a device that has to provide all its lift as well as forward motion via reaction sucks up a hell of a lot of fuel.

    Will we ever find the exceptions or reinterpetation of physical law that'll make a starship possible? I certainly don't know. Check the NASA "Warp Drive When" site for their Advanced Propulsion project for the latest.

  19. "artificial turkey for the vegetarians" by Llanfairpwllgwyngyll · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "good artificial turkey for the vegetarians"

    Good heavens, do you really think most vegetarians WANT artificial turkey? Maybe those who changed during their life "miss" meat, but those of us who have NEVER eaten it (not for the past 150 years in my case as a 4th generation vegetarian) it's not something we would ever contemplate.

    The WORST sort of vegetarian food is that which is made to look, feel and taste like meat. Unfortunately, that seems to be what most people think of when they try to prepare vegetarian fare.