New Phrack

Anonymous Coward writes "A new issue of the Phrack Magazine, #60 has been released today. It details some decent technique about kernel exploitation (OpenBSD), Cisco remote exploit, how to backdoor a core bzimage kernel and other stuff. The ascii based magazine is available at phrack.org."

Comments

Local Man Has Same Name

[eln]

Slow News Day Grips Springfield

Re:ASCII

[kingkade]

So how is Phrack more "ascii-based" than, oh, say, Slashdot?

Well, I think it means there is no layout or formatting information such as in, oh, say, Slashdot.

Anyone notice...

[Dillon2112]

...that the link is to phrack.org but when you actually go there, their current site name is a bit different? =P
I like some of what they stand for (intellectual curiosity, hacking (in the real sense) and freedom) but a lot of what they *do* with those ideas is a bit dissapointing. In this case however, its not only right on target, but funny as well.

Re:Phrack.

[packeteer]

They stopped making their zine a long time ago... some of the ppl frmo F.U.C.K. formed www.attrition.org where you can find all the old copies of F.U.C.K.

Cool domain

[alfaiomega]

The gzipped tarball of Phrack #60 is available at http://www.phrack-dont-give-a-shit-about-dmca.org/ archives/phrack60.tar.gz

Re:ASCII

[JPriest]

"So how is Phrack more "ascii-based" than, oh, say, Slashdot?"

Because Slashdot is in fucking HTML you nimrod.

Mirrored in advance.

[SHEENmaster]

ASCII sucks! In the future, we will all be using AMAZA-COLOR ANSI graphics!

Aside from its dull graphics, phrack is a cool magazine and I recommend that everyone download it. If, by some act beyond our understanding, it gets /.ed, you can use my mirror here.

Nostalgia...

[alfaiomega]

After looking at Phrack #1 from 1985 I decided that I just have to run
for i in `seq -w 1 60 | tac`; do wget http://www.phrack.org/archives/phrack$i.tar.gz; done
and spend this day on reading Phrack issues backwards. It's going to be a hellova nostalgic New Year for me... :_)

Re:Nostalgia...

[Dahan]

Try man curl for the answer to your question.

Traffic Lights

[sharph]

Theres an article about hacking traffic lights. Do you think that now that the information is now open to a wide public, we will see traffic lights doing weird things?

Re:Traffic Lights

[Phroggy]

Theres an article about hacking traffic lights. Do you think that now that the information is now open to a wide public, we will see traffic lights doing weird things?

No, not really.

Re:Traffic Lights

[Evil Adrian]

The information on building incendiary devices (that's "bombs" for any morons that may be reading this) is open to a wide public on the internet, too, but we don't see explosions all over the place... so most likely, no.

Re:Traffic Lights

[geek]

Considering traffic lights wont blow up on you, people may find it more entertaining.

Fewer people would fuck with bombs than traffic lights

Re:Traffic Lights

[Pyromage]

I'd be not so sure. A lot of kids are fearless about personal injury, but I think there are more reckless young pyros than adolescents with no fear of authority. Sure, most thumb their nose at the Man often enough and give independance plenty of lip service, but anyone who gets caught fscking w/ traffic signals will be majorly fucked, and more kids will acknowledge that than their mortality, I think.

Re:Traffic Lights

[haunebu]

Much easier is to just flash your brights thrice and the photoreceptors (present on top of/within most urban traffic controllers) will assume yours is an emergency vehicle and cycle to green ASAP.

Re:Traffic Lights

[rutledjw]

What you mean like poor timing, waiting until you're 20 feet away and jumping to red with a .0003 second yellow cycle, being timed specifically so that unless you can get your car from 0 to warp 7 in 3 seconds you have no prayer of making the next light or randomly switching between normal and blinking operation?

Denver has that already! Bastards! They must have been testing out their diabolical schemes here!

Oh yeah, and before I get a load of mindless "I live in Denver and don't have..." responses, try driving around Uptown for a while. Let me know how that works out for 'ya

Re:Traffic Lights

[RealAlaskan]

The traffic lights where I used to live had such a photo receptor. The emergency vehicles had BRIGHT, focused xenon strobes which triggered them. I couldn't aim my headlights high enough to hit them, and my 4 D-cell maglight wasn't bright enough.

I thought about making a strobe/parabolic reflector combo, but just never got around to it. The first question to answer would be: ``has anyone thought to outlaw it in my jurisdiction yet?''

Re:Traffic Lights

[rutledjw]

No, I think they're just stupid people managing these things. Example:

To drive south on Grant past the captital you need to drive a brisk 55-60 mph (roughly 2X the legal limit) to BARELY hit the lights. You'll see lots of yellows, but you'll make it. I'm personally under no illusion that our city has the sophistication you describe. Just look at our mayor...

Re:I dont mean to bait the flames...

[kinnunen]

I have never been a big fan of micheal, but if I he can bring some fresh air in to this stinkhole then more power to him. I've been reading slashdot for several years and I'm pretty damn sick of the endless stream of stories about DMCA, RIAA, MPAA, anything about MS that immediately has a score 5 comment about how unstable windows95 is, how some company in Canada that I've never heard of is doing a linux feasibilty study, a new 1000TB storage technology that will never hit the stores, etc etc. It's always a variation of some basic story that we've already heard a thousand times - the following discussion usually has NO variation. Everyone agrees Jack Valentini is an asshole, and about 50% of readers think MS can go to hell and the other 50% thinks they are just another big corp that sometimes does stuff we don't like but should be tolerated. Even "weird" is an improvement over the same old tired shit.

Re:ASCII

[anothy]

um... well, /. is indeed HTML, and the original question may well have come from a nimrod, but you're not actually providing any useful information. you can do html in ascii, y'know? an earlier reply to the same question managed to answer the question (suggesting that the phrase was meant to imply the lack of html-like formating) without getting overly nasty.
of course, a more useful - and more correct - observation would have been that /. in fact isn't based on ascii, but can use international characters as well.
you nimrod.

And fond memories they are!

[murky.waters]

I remember back in the day, I was on an internship at a local comp-sci research center. Of course I was only given a lowly user account, actually even worse than that. Anyhow, I had fun exploring Solaris, creating a lot of core dmps mainly, and came about the new issue of phrack.

I had looked through a few issues before after reading about it in Bruce Sterling's "Hacker Crackdown". I had perused the all-time favorites: how to build a bomb, a gun, how to break into cars, and so on. Back then, phrack was already archieved on the www, but the newest issue was only available as tarball. After lunch break, the admin asked me if had been reading phrack, he refered to it as "hacker stuff"---yes, I said, annoyed about him snooping around.

But then I actually read the new issue.

There was an article in it about how to get root on a Solaris workstation, exploiting the availability of FORTH on Sparc machines.

I was sitting in front of a Solaris workstation.

I smiled.

I kept smiling.

Four days and a lot of experimentation later, the administrator found a new file in his personal TODO directory (yes, he had actually called it that). It read


*""""""""""""""""""*
[pHraCK]

MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ IT, TOO.
*""""""""""""""""""*

The link to the phrack article.

Re:And fond memories they are!

[The Tyro]

Yep, Phrack has come to my rescue too.

Was talking to a systems guy where I was working (where they still use VMS), and inquired why we hadn't migrated to something else... His reply was that VMS had never been hacked.

Never been hacked?? That piqued my curiousity... fortunately, I knew just where to look (from my misspent youth). A short search of the Phrack archives turned up not one but several VMS hacks. They were mostly social engineering hacks rather than code expoits, but they were legitimate hacks.

Rather than getting annoyed at an amateur (which I was, and still remain), the systems guy actually read the articles with some interest. The ability to learn something from someone who's clearly your tech inferior, without any ego getting in the way... gotta admire that.

Re:And fond memories they are!

[0x0d0a]

You know, I hate to say it, but internships pretty much exist to build experience and get some good recommendations. A lot of times, it's your only work experience when hitting industry. Doing anything that could get you a black mark from the company you interned with is...uh...ballsy, to say the least.

I mean, it seems to have not backfired on you, but...

Re:And fond memories they are!

[jonadab]

> The ability to learn something from someone who's clearly your tech
> inferior, without any ego getting in the way...

Any decent techie knows he has limits -- you can't have both complete
breadth of knowledge _and_ equal depth in all areas. I've had VMS
techies ask me questions about DOS. I make no pretenses about my
knowledge of VMS -- I can barely navigate the directory tree. (Okay,
so that's fifty times more than the tech support people at APCC who
support PowerChute for OpenVMS, but that's another story.) However,
DOS is something I do know. Mac people ask me questions about
Windows and Linux, I ask Mac people about Mac stuff. Everybody
knows about different stuff; all true geeks understand this. The
same people who can't believe I don't know who some actress is will
marvel at my knowledge about computers or math, because it happens to
be something they didn't know. I have picked up a concise way to say
this: "They're all easy if you know the answers". What I mean by
this is that different pieces of knowledge are not _inherently_
easier or more difficult than one another; what makes them easy or
difficult is that you do or don't happen to know them.

So, yeah, if somebody who knows less about computers than I do can
explain to me something I didn't know, I should listen, provided
they're making something that resembles sense.

Gray hat?

[arvindn]

Phrack is perhaps a good example of the line between black hat and white hat "hackers" being blurry. The articles are informative and well-written, and by intelligent people, not your typical 14 yr old cracker on ecstasy who launches DDOS attacks from haX0r'd machines. I've done a compilers course, but still found a lot to learn about compilers from a phrack article on buffer overflows. Also check out the essays at SANS .

Re:Gray hat?

[SuperDuG]

I think the one thing that people need to get out of their heads is the common misconception of a "black hat hacker or cracker". The terminology is quite specific as:

- "sript kiddie" refers to someone with little or no maturity that uses an automated exploit scan program that makes hacks a matter of happenstance if anything else.

- "cracker" is one step higher from a script kiddie as this is a person who actually has a target in mind, but is not randomly screening. Usually a cracker will gain access by acquring a password (hence cracker). There are many ways to do this, but the more calculated attacks are usually by a cracker that is persistent.

- "black hat hackers" these are the guys you rarely hear about as they're main goal in life is to be where they shouldn't be and make sure that they're the only ones that know what they are doing. This is the sexiest of illegal hackers as these are the types that actually get into the "unbreakable" systems and really do know their shit. These people work for the government usually (and not just American) and some are even employed without wanting to be (part of a plea bargain). These are the type of people that you want to not be interested in your system as with a certain amount of time they will get into your system.

I'm not implying you don't know this, I was meerly trying to elaborate further on your post. And not everything these "Evil Hackers" do is all that bad. Many "script kiddie" tools are useful in testing your own systems for holes or exploits, if you have the same toys as they do, they can't beat you.

Grey hats are where most all computer type people belong, where we all usually do good, but we do know some tricks of the trade. Like an automechanic who knows how to hotwire a car or jimmy a lock open, does that make him a criminal? Same goes for anyone who is a professional locksmith (make the best theives?), doctors (make the best killers?), and bomb squad officiers (make the best bomb builders?). The joy of being a grey hat is knowing enough to protect yourself because you've been there before.

Case-In-Point ... the most secure server is one that is unplugged and buried in the middle of the earth, and that's still questionable.

yikes

[Tumbleweed]

You know what, the first time some idiot messed with traffic lights and gets a family killed because of it, you'll see the first capital murder case from hacking in the U.S. The only possible 'safe' hacking you could do of traffic lights would be to turn them all red. You better hope you don't accidentally turn them all green, though, or even yellow.

Stick to defacing web sites, kids, especially if you live in Texas. Yeesh.

Re:yikes

[thogard]

There is very little you can do with trafic lights. Most of them use physical relay lock outs to keep two of the signals going green in different directions at the same time. About all that could be done that could cause a problem is dropping the yellow time to close to zero but there should be a minium time for that as well. Other than that, you've got exactly the same risk as when the power goes out. Too bad in that case most people think they have the right of way on the main road and no company has been smart enough to put in some battery backed flashing LED's to hint to people that its tuned into a 4 way stop. Of course 99% of all intersections with traffic lights could be replaced with round-abouts and increase saftey but that won't ever happen.

Re:yikes

[bergeron76]

Yeah, I remember seeing a show on the discovery channel (or maybe it was TLC) about some kids that pulled a stop sign out of the ground (or bent it down or something) and got sentenced to several years in jail because someone got killed at that intersection as a result of their "antics".

I don't have a link to the case, but if I'm not mistaken those kids are still "out of society".

Re:yikes

[mccrew]

For a moment there I thought you said that roundabouts increase safety. Because, of course, that would not make any sense whatsoever.

Re:yikes

[Tumbleweed]

MOST of them? What kind of percentage are we talking about here? It only takes one intersection with lights that aren't like that to cause a fatality.

Re:yikes

[thogard]

Thouse were traffic circles, not round abouts. The difference is that the person in the roudnabout has the right of way and the traffic circles the people in the circule yeld to thouse entering. Most of the ones in DC are traffic circles. A well designed roundabout will allow traffic to enter in only one way. The old traffic circles (from the days of horses) enter at 90 degrees and a complete disater. A well designed round about will simply be a Y interesction with a yeld sign. If the drivers can't figure that out, they should not be on the road.

A typical roundabout can allow 4 times more cars though per hour and scale to points where you need overpasses.

Don't judge a concept based on a few bad implementations. In the town I live in, there are roundabouts on the west side and none on the east. It turns out that the west side doesn't have the traffic problems but the counts show much higher levels. The pollution is lower, the accident rates are lower and the traffic jams form when the west side traffic hits the east side where all the stop lights are.

I can't find any reference to the place you mentioned but there are many web references about roundabouts in Florida that have reduced accident rates according to google.

actually

[commodoresloat]

I recall a story in an old 2600 about someone who managed to get caught hacking not traffic lights but those signs on freeways with giant LEDs telling people there is a traffic jam or whatever. Seems this guy changed the text to read "FUCK YOU ALL." Pretty funny, and relatively harmless, imho. But yeah it's not the same as messing with a traffic light, which could be really dangerous.

life imprisonment

[SHEENmaster]

if your traffic hack results in someones death, you can be faced with a life sentence under modern U.S. law.

If you don't live in America, we'll just threaten your government until they let us extradite. I firmly believe that hacking is art, but some things should just be left alone. That said, I throughly read and enjoyed it; keep em coming phrack!

Re:life imprisonment

[lordsutch]

If your traffic hack results in someones death, you can be faced with a life sentence under modern U.S. law.

Most likely, if the intent wasn't malicious, you'd probably be charged with manslaughter and serve 5-10 years on a first offense.

Re:life imprisonment

[balloonhead]

Or even better, the US "government" will use their new presidentially approved authority to allow the military to assassinate you (I shit you not!) by claiming you are a terrorist. Without trial.

Worryingly enough, they do now have that authority - it was in the news a few weeks ago that there are about 20 Al-Q suspects (note - suspects, not ever been subject to trial) who the military have been authorised to kill if it would be too difficult/dangerous to capture. And more can be added to this list without presidential say-so. It truly is the beginning of the police state, and the end of civilisation if this is allowed to happen.

Re:Phrack.

[gir]

What do you mean they don't make them like they used to?

Surprisingly enough, the textfile scene is quite alive!

Both www.textscene.com and scene.textfiles.com do what they can to stay on top of the newest tfiles.

Re:This is Phrack?

[0x0d0a]

Still, unless I was on a pretty darn low traffic webserver, I'd argue for sorting first...

OpenBSD vulnerability has been fixed in August

[OttoM]

Patches for OpenBSD 3.0 and 3.1 were submitted August 11, 2002. OpenBSD 3.2 was released with the patched code. See errata page.

While interesting, the article describes a vulnerability that already has been fixed.

Re:OpenBSD vulnerability has been fixed in August

[MrScience]

What makes the article interesting is that the person describes in detail how to exploit a discovered buffer-overrun vulnerability. The OpenBSD flaw was just an example.

Oh thanks. And...

[Pedrito]

A new issue of the Phrack Magazine, #60 has been released today

And the latest Computer Shopper is on the newstands. Just wanted to make sure no slashdotter let that one get by them.

Re:Oh thanks. And...

[Lxy]

Ewww... I hate the Computer Shopper.

I don't know if Pricewatch killed it or what, but I remember when the CS used to be thicker than most bibles and consumed hours of my time looking for parts.

Now it's a cruddy pamphlet that sucks as bad as all other Windows-mostly computer magazines.

Re:This is Phrack?

[alfaiomega]

You don't have to sort before you apply uniq.

Still, unless I was on a pretty darn low traffic webserver, I'd argue for sorting first...

Just use perl '-ne$_{$_}++||print' instead of uniq and you don't need no stinkin sorting ever again. (What memory usage?)

Yeah, like when someone bitches about. . .

[kfg]

Slashdot being predictable and boring. Of course somewhere someone else is bitching about how it's changed completely. Go figure.

Have you been to a McDonald's recently? Looks pretty much the same as it did last year, don't it? And the one on one side of town looks pretty much like the one on the other?

Get used to it. The older you get the more predictable everything will become. Buy tomorrow's NYT. Save it. Read it once a week for the rest of your life. You'll pretty much be right up to date with the news just following that stratagy. I'm not kidding.

If you find your hometown is starting to get boring, nothing ever changes, the people are all the same, etc., I have a solution for you.

Go someplace else! Get on a plane to Paris or take a trek to Llhasa or something. Do something *different.*

Take a look in the mirror. Is it Slashdot that's so fucking predeictable, or is it your choice of places to go?

KFG

Re:Yeah, like when someone bitches about. . .

[jonadab]

> Buy tomorrow's NYT. Save it. Read it once a week for the rest of
> your life. You'll pretty much be right up to date with the news
> just following that stratagy. I'm not kidding.

This was discovered a long time ago. "There is nothing new under
the sun", Solomon wrote.

It's the old dichotomy between freedom and. . .

[kfg]

license. When some people say "free" what they mean is without responsibility or repercussion. I believe in the gedanken that your right to swing your arms about ends at the tip of my nose.

Some people find this "restriction" intollerable. What's interesting is that these people often go on and on about their "rights" if you do anything to them.

Well, a good many of them grow out of that eventually, and the ones that don't we just call assholes.

Power always needs to be tempered with restraint, and the more power the more restraint.

As Ghandi once pointed out nonviolence is not weakness, indeed, the weak cannot be nonviolent. Only the strong, and only in proportion to their strength.

One can only be free in proportion to one's sense of responsibility.

Otherwise you're just some punk kid that a bunch of people with freedom are going to beat the crap out of in a back alley some day in the hopes that it'll jar something loose and you start to "get it."

KFG

Re:Wow...

[gmack]

I was always fond of that bomb recipie they published. It had this jem in the refinement instructions: "set up the apperatus and *run*" if that's not enough to remove the person from the gene pool the instructions finished by saying the resulting explosives should be detonated by throwing a rock at it.

After that I stopped reading Phrack for some reason..

read Kevin Mitnick's story

[r5t8i6y3]

this, IMHO, is the most valuable information in Phrack 60:

Kevin Mitnick wrote a book, "The Art of Deception". The first chapter
has been deleted by the publisher at the last minute. It's available
on the internet:
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56187,00. html
http://littlegreenguy.fateback.com/chapter1/Chapte r%201%20-%20Banned%20Edition.doc

[i linked this Phrack quote because Slash adds a space character to strings that wordwrap - can anyone tell me how to prevent this from happening?]

Wrong.

[Qbertino]

- "sript kiddie" refers to someone with little or no maturity that uses an automated exploit scan program that makes hacks a matter of happenstance if anything else.

Wrong. 'Script Kiddie' refers to someone exceptionally more skillfull at programming, hacking, cracking and everything else that goes beyond VB DB Frontends than the average slashdotter, but also happens to be younger and is thus referred to as 'Script Kiddie' (disaproving frown) to cloak the fact that they are actually intelligent enough to have their computer do stuff they want it to do and that said average slashdotter doesn't know zilch about. While at the same time they're out in the club closing in on some cute girls.

Re:great!!!

[autocracy]

Sure you can! - they'll post your subscription request in Loopback will all the other errors of society they find when they run fsck on their e-mail box :P

Re:I dont mean to bait the flames...

[packeteer]

Im tired of posts like yours that simply point out what slashdot tends to be like and get modded up. Posts like that bring no insight to a discussion unless a person knows nothing at all about slashdot. Of course we know what we do on slashdot and most of us like it. If you dont like slashdot your free to leave.

Re:This is Phrack?

[alfaiomega]

root@aio:~# nmap -sX -iR -p1- # Ho, ho, ho! Merry Xmas, everyone!

hey, what does the shit from your sig do?

It sends Xmas tree packets (with fin, urg, and push flags) to everyone, which is a traditional Internet Xmas Greeting. You have to download Nmap first. You may want to add a -Tinsane option (which means: set the Tin variable to "sane"). Have fun. But hurry up, because it's a tradition to send those greetings before the New Year.

Re:This is Phrack?

[alfaiomega]

Heh, cool, I didn't know about it.

You should have heard. That's a long Internet tradition.

But man, it's slow like shit.

You have to be patient.

With the -Tinsane it seems faster, but it's still slow like hell.

It is faster, trust me.

How much time does this greeting need to finish?

Just be patient.

I have 2.4GHz and 2Mbps DSL and it's already running like 5 hours or something.

The genesis of this tradition reaches the times when there were much less hosts on the Internet to send the greetings to.

When will this end?

It will all end much sooner than you think.

Maybe it's some bug in my Windows that it hangs or what?

I don't think so.

No, I just checked my bandwidth and it seems to be fully used.

So everything works correctly.

Does this program really need so much traffic?

Yes, it does. In fact, it needs even more. But you don't have more, do you?

Because it's kinda hard to work in the net when it's running.

Not only for you, trust me.

Thanks.

You are welcome.

If you have any problems, look at the /dev/random from some system which supports this device and you'll find all of your answers there (however I can't tell you the offset, you have to search yourself) after you send the question to /dev/null. For example:

echo "Am I naive?" > /dev/null; strings /dev/random | less

Just be patient with the searching, like with the Nmap Xmas Greeting. Good luck.

Please ignore the garbage inserted to satisfy the lame filter: cfcd208495d565ef66e7dff9f98764da c4ca4238a0b923820dcc509a6f75849b c81e728d9d4c2f636f067f89cc14862c eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3 a87ff679a2f3e71d9181a67b7542122c e4da3b7fbbce2345d7772b0674a318d5 1679091c5a880faf6fb5e6087eb1b2dc 8f14e45fceea167a5a36dedd4bea2543 c9f0f895fb98ab9159f51fd0297e236d 45c48cce2e2d7fbdea1afc51c7c6ad26 d3d9446802a44259755d38e6d163e820 6512bd43d9caa6e02c990b0a82652dca c20ad4d76fe97759aa27a0c99bff6710 c51ce410c124a10e0db5e4b97fc2af39 aab3238922bcc25a6f606eb525ffdc56 9bf31c7ff062936a96d3c8bd1f8f2ff3 c74d97b01eae257e44aa9d5bade97baf 70efdf2ec9b086079795c442636b55fb 6f4922f45568161a8cdf4ad2299f6d23 1f0e3dad99908345f7439f8ffabdffc4 98f13708210194c475687be6106a3b84 3c59dc048e8850243be8079a5c74d079 b6d767d2f8ed5d21a44b0e5886680cb9 37693cfc748049e45d87b8c7d8b9aacd 1ff1de774005f8da13f42943881c655f 8e296a067a37563370ded05f5a3bf3ec 4e732ced3463d06de0ca9a15b6153677 02e74f10e0327ad868d138f2b4fdd6f0 33e75ff09dd601bbe69f351039152189 6ea9ab1baa0efb9e19094440c317e21b 34173cb38f07f89ddbebc2ac9128303f c16a5320fa475530d9583c34fd356ef5 6364d3f0f495b6ab9dcf8d3b5c6e0b01 182be0c5cdcd5072bb1864cdee4d3d6e e369853df766fa44e1ed0ff613f563bd 1c383cd30b7c298ab50293adfecb7b18 19ca14e7ea6328a42e0eb13d585e4c22 a5bfc9e07964f8dddeb95fc584cd965d a5771bce93e200c36f7cd9dfd0e5deaa d67d8ab4f4c10bf22aa353e27879133c d645920e395fedad7bbbed0eca3fe2e0 3416a75f4cea9109507cacd8e2f2aefc a1d0c6e83f027327d8461063f4ac58a6 17e62166fc8586dfa4d1bc0e1742c08b f7177163c833dff4b38fc8d2872f1ec6 6c8349cc7260ae62e3b1396831a8398f d9d4f495e875a2e075a1a4a6e1b9770f 67c6a1e7ce56d3d6fa748ab6d9af3fd7 642e92efb79421734881b53e1e1b18b6 f457c545a9ded88f18ecee47145a72c0 c0c7c76d30bd3dcaefc96f40275bdc0a 2838023a778dfaecdc212708f721b788 9a1158154dfa42caddbd0694a4e9bdc8 d82c8d1619ad8176d665453cfb2e55f0 a684eceee76fc522773286a895bc8436 b53b3a3d6ab90ce0268229151c9bde11 9f61408e3afb633e50cdf1b20de6f466 72b32a1f754ba1c09b3695e0cb6cde7f 66f041e16a60928b05a7e228a89c3799 093f65e080a295f8076b1c5722a46aa2 (yes, I've tried posting less garbage, but there's some minimal average line length of posts)

Re:I dont mean to bait the flames...

[packeteer]

Too bad it IS unmount. Not everyone used BASH or gnu/linux. I find it funny that people who know enough about unix to know its umount think they know more than me yet they are the ones who are wrong and relaly have no clue how much i know. "unmount" is a valid command on smoe machine, probably not your but maybe if you learned more than just your one distro you might know that.