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Supremes Grant Stay in Pavlovich DVD CCA Case

endall writes "Sandra Day O'Connor granted a stay last week for DVD Copy Control Association so that the court could gather more information. She requested filings by later this week. I'm guessing that this delays implimentation of the California Supreme court decision on the matter."

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  1. hmmm by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

    I didn't know Sandra Day O'Connor was part of the Supremes. Are you sure you're not thinking of Diana Ross?

  2. No Doubt they'll ban haiku and novels next by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article on Salon: "Lawyers for the association told the Supreme Court that the stay was needed to keep Pavlovich from reposting the decryption program on the Internet."

    Too bad for them the constitution still provides a modicum of protection of my right to write, and publish if I so wish, a novel that just so happens to contain not one, but TWO encodings of DeCSS (including the inspired haiku you point out).

    The entire document is shared freely under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, with paper copies having already travelled throughout the world, and digital dissemination even wider.

    Cry me a river for the DVD CSS thugs ... arrogant enough to thing that US law applies to the world, that the constitution doesn't apply to them, and that their parasitical industry's interests should outweigh those of the computer and electronic industries which dwarf theirs, and the interests of the people, which dwarf all of those interests and which the government had better stop ignoring.

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  3. where are the new products and services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    New York technology analyst Richard Doherty said companies have delayed many new products, services and forms of entertainment because of the DVD industry's problems.

    Yeah, they sure did, like, the VCR, the Rio, PVRs, Napster, My.MP3.com, DVD copying software, all that stuff was delayed or killed by entertainment industry bullshit.

    Oh wait, I forgot, only the content providers are allowed to come out with new technology, my bad! You know, like DivX.

  4. Potential Cert Petition by doogieh · · Score: 5, Informative

    First, the CA case is a trade secret case, not a DMCA case. But it will be lurking in the background.

    Second, Justice O'Connor is responsible for granting the stay since the 9th circuit is her "territory" for these matters.

    The next step is to see whether four justices want to vote for a grant of certiori to hear the issue of whether the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment permits this type of "universal jurisdiction."

    As to the merits, the law is increasingly on Matt's side. For example, the Fourth Circuit (VA, MD, NC, SC...) recently determined that merely putting information (copyright infringement and libel cases) on the internet does not subject a person to jurisdiction. It requires some real purposeful availment of the forum (i.e. conduct directed towards CA). Pavlovich never availed himself of California law or directed his activities at California, thus under the majority of circuit law, he is not subject to personal jurisdiction in California.

    The alternate view, from Australia and a few court decisions pertaining almost entirely to bad-guy cybersquatters, finds universal jurisdiction comporting with due process requirements from mere posting on the internet. Under this theory, you purposefully avail yourself of every forum by merely posting on the internet and assume you can be hauled into court anywhere.

    While this may fly in Australia, due process under US law would have to be stretched beyond its limit to allow such jursidiction, and, as more and more of life becomes electronic, it would render the limits on personal jurisdiction in states entirely meaningless. Add to that the fact that the supreme court seems particularly unimpressed by foreign decisions.

    The biggest problem for the DVDCCA is that this personal jurisdiction analysis is directed at the defendant, Matt Pavlovich. No matter how great DVDCCA's alleged harm, it is the Defendants' conduct that matters, the plaintiff's conduct is not relevant. He didn't take the information from CA but from third parties, and only has liability if he "should have known" it was a trade secret, had some sort of relationship with the DVDCCA, or actually misappropriated it himself.

    Only the "should have known" theory applies here -- and it seems notoriously difficult for the DVDCCA to prove that this amounts to direct conduct aimed at CA.

    So, in a nutshell, even if certiori were granted, it seems unlikely that the decision would be reversed, but rather it would be a good opportunity to settle the question that there is no "universal jurisdiction" in US courts over conduct on the internet unless it is aimed at or takes place in a particular state.

    Anything in this comment constituting legal advice is false...
    Anything in this comment constituting a disclaimer of legal advice is falser.

  5. by RIAA math by SHEENmaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Consumers' rights are pitted against industry copyright protection, with trillions of dollars at stake, said Tim Bajarin, president of Creative Strategies Inc., a Silicon Valley consulting firm.

    You seem to forget that corporate money is worth more in this instance because they are more likely to "donate it to particular political groups."

    Being a minor, my "comsumer rights" are worth less than $0. Those of you whose opinions are affected by this probably vote Libertarian anyways.

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    1. Re:by RIAA math by Flakeloaf · · Score: 5, Funny

      Consumers' rights are pitted against industry copyright protection, with trillions of dollars at stake

      In truth, they're talking about billions of dollars. It's just that some of these dollars spin REALLY quickly, so they're equivalent to three or four times as many.

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  6. That recurring straw man by hysterion · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ``The future of digital delivery has been on hold ever since this case first came," said Doherty, head of The Envisioneering Group. ``They need to know it's going to be protected, it's not going to be ripped off seven seconds after being put on the Internet."
    Then don't put it on the Internet. I'm perfectly happy getting my (non region-encoded) DVDs at $5.95 from oldies.com -- who I surmise, are perfectly happy selling them to me. And believe it or not, at that price the idea of going to the trouble of copying them doesn't even cross my mind.

    Why should we change the Internet so you can better peddle your wares on it, Mr Doherty? It wasn't meant for this. And please, stop this straw man that your fight is to enable the "future of digital delivery". It's not, for it's obviously independant of any plans in that direction.