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Friendly Plastic Pop Can Nearly Ready for Market

drfishy writes "BevNET has the story of Toledo, OH based Owens-Illinois and their new pop can. The can is made of a "fancy" new clear plastic with a traditional aluminum top and should be in stores sometime this year. Consumers are supposed to like it because of the "cool" factor, manufacturers will like it because they can use the same equipment to fill and package them, beverage companies like it because consumers and manufacturers will, and advertising agencies love it because they can get rich making all new commercials to convince people it really is cool. Seriously though, I like the idea, enough to submit a story about it anyway..."

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  1. Pop can? by Evro · · Score: 4, Funny

    What the hell is pop? I think you mean soda, or maybe coke, but certainly not pop.

    Obligatory link: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~almccon/pop_soda/

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    1. Re:Pop can? by Jahf · · Score: 3, Informative

      You know, the parent poll is as close to a troll as I am willing to reply to :)

      I've lived in enough areas in the US that I've been around most variations. It seems to break down like this:

      West: soda or pop
      Midwest: pop
      East: soda or soda-pop
      NorEast: soda-pop
      South: Coke or "fountain drink"
      Deep South: Coke (even if it's clear or fruit colored)

      I grew up with "pop", moved to where it was "coke", and then back to where it's "soda" or "pop". I generally call it soda or better yet, use a brand name, as soda seems to be understood everywhere. I definitely have had people not understand when I used "pop" before.

      The point? Not much ... except this is how culture develops ... and telling someone they are wrong (worse, that only they are wrong and other variations are ok) is ... well ... a troll :)

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  2. Red Dye #3 by orthogonal · · Score: 3, Funny

    Great! Another reason to add more and more garish artifical colors to my sugar water.

    Gimme some more o' dat green "Romulan Ale"!

  3. I am from the Toledo area, history on Owens. by heldlikesound · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They declared bankrupcy after a huge loss in a class-action asbestos lawsuit. Then they went on to simply not pay many small design firms they owed money to. Pretty much puta few of them out of business. It was right around Christmas time too.

    Anyone think they'll pay these firms pay after plastic pop cans become all the rage? Yeah, me neither...

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    1. Re:I am from the Toledo area, history on Owens. by EnVisiCrypt · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're thinking of Owens-Corning.

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  4. but! by DonFinch · · Score: 4, Funny

    how do you crush it on your forhead? A plasticy plunk is nowhere near as manishly satifying as the savory crash and pang of sweet, metallic destruction...

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  5. How recyclable is it? by DaveOnNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How do the recycling folks like it? What's the number in the little triangle? I suppose they'll have to separate the top from the body to recycle it at all. Gotta love that!

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    1. Re:How recyclable is it? by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      AFAIK, "Multi-layer injection molded" plastic is not really recyclable at all. Maybe they can melt it down and use it for plastic packing bubbles or something where the properties of the plastic don't matter much. But when you take a piece of "Multi-layer injection molded" plastic and melt it down the layers all melt together like a soup, their different properties mingling together into a plastic "grunge" that isn't usable for much. There is no way to seperate the layers and end up with anything like what you started with, i.e, make another can out of them.

      That is, this product is FAR less recyclable than aluminum cans.

      As far as I know that is, I'm no expert.

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    2. Re:How recyclable is it? by Jahf · · Score: 3, Insightful
      However, your comment "I would rather the manufacturer pay for it than my local co-op recycler" is a bit naieve.

      Not in the least. I know I am going to be the one paying in the end no matter who bears the costs.

      The issue here is that my co-op recycler operates as a non-profit. They cover recycling costs with garbage [non-recyclable] fees ($2/can). I would rather the for-profit manufacturer deal with extra costs of bottling/canning than trickling it down to the local level.

      In fact, I'm purposefully paying -more- this way than if my recycler bore the brunt of the additional recycling cost (at least in the short term) since I pay nothing to drop off the recyclables.

      I'm willing to pay the little bit extra in the way of an aluminum fee to make sure I contribute that little bit less to the cost of recycling, thereby making recycling a more economical alternative and thereby making it more common.

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  6. More garbage, less recycling by MrEfficient · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Right now aluminum cans are recycled by many people because they bring a decent price and there are many places they can be sold. But plastic? As far as I know, there's no money to be made by an individual in recycling plastic and if there is, I doubt it's as much as aluminum.

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  7. "It doesn't taste the same" by tswinzig · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Before the soda connoisseurs get on here and try to tell us they're not gonna like these because the soda from the metal cans tastes better than the soda from the plastic bottles, keep in mind the aluminum cans' interiors are coated with some sort of plastic material.

    Otherwise the carbonic acid would react with the aluminum, and leave you with a nasty taste (I believe due to Aluminum Oxide? but its been a while since high school Chemistry).

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    1. Re:"It doesn't taste the same" by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 4, Informative

      Otherwise the carbonic acid would react with the aluminum, and leave you with a nasty taste (I believe due to Aluminum Oxide? but its been a while since high school Chemistry).

      Aluminum oxide is not soluble and almost certainly doesn't have any taste (it's even more stable than silica).

      What you get after dissolving aluminum with an acid is hydrogen and an aluminum-based salt. This would be aluminum carbonate for carbonic acid, and aluminum phosphate for the phosphoric acid many drinks use as a flavouring agent.

      I left a case of coke unused for about 6 months once. Tasted very odd after the lining broke down.

  8. Re:A New Revenue Source by Blkdeath · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It looks like Slashdot has discovered a new source of income: turning press releases into headlines. It's far from original, but it works -- for a while, anyway.

    Newsflash for you, and for every other maroon who parrots the "Slashdot is selling out" / "Slashdot should charge advertising fees" lines; This is a site dedicated to news for nerds. Nerds like gadgets. They like cool toys, fast processors, high speed RAM, water cooling to make the best out of their new high speed toys, mods to make their toys look good, caffeinated products, sugary foods - how else is a news site supposed to tell people about these products without, oh, mentioning them by name? Are you going to clamour that they should charge AMD for announcing the Athlon 64 release to the market? Or they they should invoice Intel for announcing the Pentium 4 4.0GHz?

    It's news. Get over it. If you don't like it, go somewhere else and be uninformed. Stick to your Celeron 400MHz and thinnet LAN and quit bitching. It's old, and nobody cares.

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  9. Re:How is this different from... by Cy+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yeah the technology is definately not new, this has been the standard format for tennis ball cans for well over a decade. The question is market acceptance and given the recycling concerns, I can't see that being too great.

    You can already get beer in plastic bottles in the US but most people think the beer will not taste as good (for the Miller, Lite, and MGD brands that use the technology, taste isn't really a concern anyway - but somehow these consumers consider themselves beer conoisseurs if you change the bottling material). So given the limited acceptance of plastic bottles I've only seen them at sporting events where it is prefereable not to arm potentially drunken disgruntled fans with glass missiles just in case the home team loses.

  10. Japan has the opposite! by mcgroarty · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In Japan, you can buy bottles made completely out of aluminum. It's an aluminum can narrowing into a neck at the top with a traditional metal twist-off cap, and it's got a sticker around it which looks much like the decoration on a standard Coke can.

  11. Re:To be or not to be stupid... by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If the stupidity or laziness of a few makes the efforts of everyone else useless (they still have to pass them under a magnet), then the industrious and smart people should rebel and pretend they're stupid to send a message that thier time and efforts are being wasted.

    I'm sure technology has advanced sufficiently from when the following happened to prevent it, since it was over 10 years ago, but this is why I bet they still have to pass all the cans under a magnet:

    When I was in high school I worked in the kitchen periodically (we all had to rotate through cleanup duty). We had a recycling program run by our trash collection service. They provided statistics for us comparing what percentage (by weight and volume) of the things we threw away went to the landfill or were recycled. They were printed on greenbar and hung weekly on the board in the office. The recycling bins for cans were the extra large barrels with the hook and bar on them to be auto-loaded in the truck. After removing both ends of the can and stomping it flat, you could fit about 700 pounds of steel in the barrel. One week the recycling percentage dropped dramatically. The reason, they explained to us, was that someone had put an aerosol can in with the metal recyclables, and it made the whole load useless when they processed it. It's a great example of the stupidity of the few making everyone else's efforts useless when it comes to recycling.

  12. Re:and how? by Valdrax · · Score: 3, Interesting

    By the way, where i live its not "coke" and not pop (doesn't matter if its sprite, dr pepper, or coca cola)

    Where exactly is this? I've always wondered. You see, I've lived in Atlanta, the home of Coca-Cola, for six years, and I've never seen anyone call any non-cola beverage a Coke. I've seen Pepsi, RC, and hundreds of knock-off store brand colas called Coke, but I've never heard a Sprite, a Dr. Pepper, or anything else called a Coke.

    Personally, I think the whole "everything's a Coke" bit is an urban legend.

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