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Radiation Detection Wrist Watch

luigi writes "I4U has this story: vigiWATCH is a newly created swiss company that offers the smallest, most precise radiation detector worldwide in a normal size wrist watch. The watch displays current radioactivity rates from 0.00001mSv/h to 4.00000 mSv/h and cumulative radioactive dose from 0.001mSv/h to 9999 mSv/h. The precision is +/- 25% over total range. Besides the radioactivity detection, its also showing the time in a digital and analog display. The watch looks like a normal casual wrist watch. Hope this watch never becomes standard equipment for survival on this planet. The watch is sold on the site for $1100."

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  1. Sometimes there are times... by RebelTycoon · · Score: 5, Funny

    when you would rather just not know... Like just how many rads that 19" monitor is blasting into your little soldiers...

    I've got nothing...

    1. Re:Sometimes there are times... by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

      If it's a new one (say 1999 or newer) that complies with the TCO spec then it's basically none. It's a very stringent spec on EM emissions and you really won't find much comming from your monitor. Even older monitors tend to comply to the MPR II spec, which is very low emission (not as low as TCO, but still).

      Also, we are talking EM radiation here, not nuclear. There is a difference.

    2. Re:Sometimes there are times... by richie2000 · · Score: 5, Informative
      TCO-99 spec monitors doesn't produce any static electricity, at least not in front of or on the front side of the monitor. The rear is another matter... Ever been seated opposing someone else in an office? His or her monitor emissions are what you should worry about, not what your monitor does (that's the other person's problem).

      TCO-99 is a very restrictive specification that not only deals with radiation and emission levels, it also specifies ergonomics. It is for instance considered harmful to have a black border around the viewing area - this has almost killed off sales of black or dark gray monitors. They are almost always TCO-95 spec, even if they meet all the other TCO-99 requirements.

      TCO is The Swedish Confederation of Professional Employees (basically, a white-collar trade union) that thinks about workplace ergonomics and how to keep their members alive and healthy.

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  2. Hmm...I may get one. by Valar · · Score: 5, Funny

    To replace my wrist mounted poison gas sensing canary.

  3. Precise? by freebase · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've not read the specs myself, but hopefully that was a typo... +/- 25% is no where near precise, especially in a dosimeter.

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  4. Useful for the UN Weapons Inspectors by mind21_98 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    These might be useful for the UN weapons inspectors currently in Iraq. They could keep track of radiation without alerting any Iraqi authorities and get a true feel of whether there are weapons of mass destruction (specifically nuclear weapons) around.

    1. Re:Useful for the UN Weapons Inspectors by Imperator · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you kidding? The Iraqis know the inspectors are looking for nuclear weapons, and they know where they are. It's not as if the inspectors are sneaking around Iraq, communicating with each other through their Dick Tracy brand secret decoder rings. The only way they can catch the Iraqis off guard is to show up where they're not expecting an inspection, not to show up with fancy radiation-detecting wrist watches.

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  5. Better double check the dimensions! by Samir+Gupta · · Score: 5, Informative
    The watch displays current radioactivity rates from 0.00001mSv/h to 4.00000 mSv/h and cumulative radioactive dose from 0.001mSv/h to 9999 mSv/h.

    Me thinks that if current rates are in mSv/h, then cumulative doses should drop the temporal dimension, ie, mSv (no /h)!

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  6. Illegal in the UK by jaylen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like this watch... just a damn shame that in the UK, no citizen is allowed to own anything resembling a geiger counter. The only places they are allowed are in schools or universities, or for authorities/companies with a 'good reason' to have one.

    But the average joe shmoe on the street is not allowed to own one.

    1. Re:Illegal in the UK by mmontour · · Score: 3, Interesting

      just a damn shame that in the UK, no citizen is allowed to own anything resembling a geiger counter

      Yet it seems that you folks are allowed to have nuclear-powered lights (tritium+phosphor devices) that are illegal in the US / Canada. Odd laws...

    2. Re:Illegal in the UK by notestein · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Here are some US Government produced specifications for making a geiger counter from materials found around the house.

    3. Re:Illegal in the UK by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 3, Informative
      When were they banned? I have seen geiger counters and dosimeters available on the UK s/h market, What isn't allowed is a device with a calibration source ('cos it is radioactive).

      Of course, you might end up on Ton's list of people with dangerous equipment and as we know, what is Tony's, is also George's.

    4. Re:Illegal in the UK by Detritus · · Score: 3, Informative
      And your source for this assertion is what?

      See this page for sources of geiger counters in the UK.

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  7. Re:sounds like BS by Garin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nope. Those are _MICRO_Sieverts, not millisieverts. That's 0.0001 mSv/hr. You'll still see it on that watch, supposedly.

    However, if memory serves me, the average north american feels between 360 and 640 millerem annually (depending on whether or not you smoke). A rem is 0.01 Sievert, so 360 millirem = 3.6 mSv. There are about 8760 hours / year, which gives about 0.0004 mSv/hr. (Did I screw anything up there?)

    However, the most important thing in my mind is that the wearer of the watch will become very aware of just how pervasive and natural a small amount of radiation really is. Maybe if everyone wore one, we wouldn't have the misinformed paranoia that accompanies the word "radioactive" :)

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  8. Watch by SavageDK · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, that watch isnt exactly new.... its sold on this website for way less Actually only 337.20 Here is the link: http://pro-resources.net/watch.htm

  9. Re:Usefulness in saving your life? by deglr6328 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    not necessarily, you can withstand far higher acute doses to your extremities than you can to your whole body.

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  10. Scenario by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    *beep, beep, beep*

    Guess it's time for my....HOLY SHIT!

  11. Workers in related fields by The+Tyro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can see plenty of people who work around radiation buying one of these. Light, convenient, and unobtrusive... what's not to like.

    Radiologists, Medical physicists, Nuc. Med guys, Orthopedic surgeons (who use lots of fluoroscopy).

    I don't do very much fluoro... but I have used it in the past to straighten fractured bones and place difficult catheters. Even so... I might consider one of these.

    Also, never underestimate the awesome power of "gadget lust." Even for expensive gadgets, all that's required is a wee bit of rationalization as to how it MIGHT be useful in your job.

    Could even be written off as a business expense...

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    1. Re:Workers in related fields by 0x0d0a · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can see plenty of people who work around radiation buying one of these. Light, convenient, and unobtrusive... what's not to like.

      People that work around radiation (at least in the US) are generally already required to carry radiation-warning equipment. The watch would be redundant.

      I expect that this might become a standard addition to high-end (in the functional, not a "the brand name is Rolex" sense) watches, like altimeters.

    2. Re:Workers in related fields by ceejayoz · · Score: 4, Informative

      The radiation detectors doctors wear aren't real time detectors - the watch is.

  12. Re:sounds like BS by baryon351 · · Score: 3, Funny

    the LCDs in iMac's have one of the highes't radiation outputs of any.

    I think your foil helmet needs changing.

  13. Need Karma? by kaosrain · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm at the cap, I'll give you some, just don't post misinformation.

    Professional dosimeters have an average accuracy of +/- 10%.

    25% is not considered bad, especially as these are not meant to be used for inspections. From the website:

    Our aim is to help various professionals measure and control the radiation dosis they may be exposed to in a convenient, discreet and continuous way. These professionals can be radiologists, dentists, medical staff, nuclear power plant staff, waste professionals, military, customs and for those who want to know!

    For uses such as these, +/-25% is definately accurate enough.

    You could have gotten free karma much easier if you posted that their technical page contained the following: * all data may be subject to change without notice


    Now THAT is a reason for worry.

  14. No. by rebelcool · · Score: 3, Insightful
    radiation is all around you and emitted by everything from your smoke detector (contains americium souce which emits alpha particles), to rock (especially granite).

    However, most of these don't emit enough to be harmful. Working in an area with radioactive materials tends to have higher background radiation, as does going on frequent flights or other high altitude operations.

    Radiation is only dangerous in large, very easily detectable doses. And unless its an extreme amount, you can even take short term exposure to a relatively large amount and suffer few ill effects. You wouldnt want to stay long in such a hot environment though.

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  15. you fail... by rebelcool · · Score: 3, Insightful
    to realize just how many fields use radioactivity. This would be useful for lab workers, oil field techs (plenty or radioactive sources are sent down holes for various reasons), geology... the list goes on and on.

    Just because you don't have a thorough, or even cursory, knowledge about everything in the world doesnt mean something is useless.

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  16. Re:Metal by packeteer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Too bad thats not how radiation works. If you ever were near a large source of radiation your own clothes would absorb radiation and keep it coming to your body. One of the most important parts of a nuclear fallout shelter is the entrance room where you take off ALL clothing and shower. Your clothes and aything else you wear if you were near a nuclear explosion would continue the damage if not taken off immediatly.

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  17. Neat Watch by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This would have been nice to know about before Christmas...

    Very cool. One feature I'd like to see in the next version of this watch is some sort of hook-up to a computer that would let you record good data on long-term exposure. Still, I want one of these.

    As far as measuring your total dosage goes, I might as well take this opportunity to inform everyone that government mandated radiation standards are mostly erroneous. By orders of magnitude even. We now know that low-level radiation is simply far less harmful (and far better understood) than we thought it was in the 1950's. Major reason is that the 1950's model is simply a straight line extrapolation from the known lethal dosage. Back then, that was a reasonable guess considering the knowledge of genetics at the time. Needless to say, our current understanding is quite different.

  18. It takes rather a lot of radiation to harm you. by NChaimov · · Score: 5, Informative

    5-25 rad: No observable effects.
    25-75 rad: Chromosomal aberrations and temporary depression of white blood cell levels in some individuals. No externally observable effects.
    75-200 rad: Vomiting in 5 to 50% of exposed individuals within a few hours. Fatigue and loss of appetite. Moderate blood changes. Recovery within a few weeks.
    200-600 rad: For doses over 300 rem, all exposed individuals will exhibit vomiting within 2 hours and loss of hair after 2 weeks. Severe blood changes with hemorrhage and increased susceptibility to infection, particularly at higher doses. Recovery from 1 to 12 months for individuals at the lower end of the dose range; only 20 percent survive at the upper end of the range.
    600-1000 rad: Vomiting within 1 hour, sever blood changes, hemorrhage, infection, and loss of hair. From 80 to 100% of exposed individuals will succumb within 2 months; those who survive will be convalescent over a long period.
    Introduction to Nuclear Engineering (Lamarshe)

    1. Re:It takes rather a lot of radiation to harm you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      These numbers apply to external whole body doses. Most of the cancer cases resulting from Chernobyl were due to internal doses arising from radioactive iodine. So no, these numbers don't apply to internal doses.

  19. Could it be... by BattleWolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... the green, glow in the dark watch-hands causing the +/-25%?

  20. Re:Metal by 0x0d0a · · Score: 5, Funny

    One of the most important parts of a nuclear fallout shelter is the entrance room where you take off ALL clothing and shower.

    Leading to the popular Cold War pickup line "Hey, baby, want to see my fallout shelter?"

  21. Re:Metal by Aglassis · · Score: 5, Informative

    You said: " Too bad thats not how radiation works. If you ever were near a large source of radiation your own clothes would absorb radiation and keep it coming to your body. One of the most important parts of a nuclear fallout shelter is the entrance room where you take off ALL clothing and shower. Your clothes and aything else you wear if you were near a nuclear explosion would continue the damage if not taken off immediatly.

    Your description of radiation and contamination is a little hairy, let me clean it up:

    Radiation is the propogation of energy over a distance via waves. Some types of radiation are (using the example of a nuclear bomb): neutrons (very hazardous--you need to be in a deep fallout shelter or surrounded by a significant amount of water to protect you), alphas (very hazardous--are shielded by your skin, but if they are emitted inside your lungs you are in trouble), betas (minor hazard--shielded by your clothing, not a real problem unless ingested or inhaled), EM radiation in general (the frequency; therefore, the energy of the photon is of prime concern: a radio wave will probably not hurt you but a high energy gamma will--shielded by being in a fallout shelter as long as its deep enough), and non-interacting (like neutrinos--you don't have to worry about these, they can't hurt you). This watch will detect gammas and maybe some other high energy EM radiation (neutrons require larger detection devices, and alphas and betas would be shielded by the metal of the watch). I doubt it can detect as low energy as x-rays, but it might.

    Contamination is getting radioactive material on you. This radioactive material will undergo decays producing radiation. You take your clothes off and shower to remove the contamination so you don't get irradiated.

    Radiation (with the exception of neutrons and alphas) does not beget long term radiation (longer than for example a gamma to be absorbed by an atom and re-emit a lower energy gamma). Its just absorbed and thats the end of it. Neutrons and alphas will typically not beget long term radiation because of the specialized conditions required (causing fission of an atom and releasing radioactive products or being absorbed and transmuting an atom into a radioactive isotope). The contamination on your skin and clothes will be due to fallout (i.e. radioactive material) from the nuclear weapon, not the radiation.

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  22. Most Likely Shit by cybergibbons · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unless this is recent, this is just wrong. People are allowed to own Geiger Counters. Why wouldn't they be?

    Maplin used to sell a kit until a few years ago to make one. Second hand militaty units are available on many sites. Scientific suppliers often carry them.

    Also, a dosimeter is a different device to a Geiger counter. Is the watch still illegal?

    I should imagine that if this were like anything else, then dealers would get in a lot more trouble than the buyer, and I have never heard of that happening.

  23. X-ray Radiation from Monitors by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Also, we are talking EM radiation here, not nuclear. There is a difference.

    Yeah, it's unclear what the original poster thinks that he's going to be getting "nuked" by.

    Actually, several kinds of radiation leave a monitor, though it's only the last two that tend to cause worry:

    • Light - this is, after all, why you bought the monitor?
    • Heat.
    • Sound - ultrasonic and sonic, ranging from the ultrasonic whine of the power supply's inverter and the horizontal windings of the deflection yoke and the flyback transformer, to the rasp of the vertical deflection yoke windings, to the click of various relays as the sync rate changes.
    • Electromagnetic - primarily from the horizontal and vertical deflection circuits, these behave basically as VLF radio transmitters. Their actual effects on the human body are unknown, but the fact that the word "radiation" is used to describe them is enough to get every do-gooder high-school-educated hausfrau or trade union member up in arms. When a monitor says "Low Radiation", this is what is meant, but it's not what I worry about.
    • X-rays - X-rays are really a kind of electromagnetic radiation in theory, but in practice, they're quite different. They're ionizing, meaning that they cause a charge in something when they strike it. In a CRT, a very high voltage power supply is used to accelerate beam of electrons to an appreciable percentage of the speed of light, and then they're slammed into the phosphor coating on the inside of the screen. If you compare this with the theory of operation of an X-ray machine, you might be amused to note the similarities. The vacuum inside the CRT is only part of the reason why the glass is so thick... there have been stringent X-ray standards since the early 1960s, when most color TV sets like the RCA CT-100 could cloud photographic film. Of course, a failure in the high voltage regulator circuit of a modern monitor or TV could cause it to spoil all your vacation photos.

    X-rays are ionizing radiation and are known to be carcinogenic and mutagenic. They're essentially man-made gamma rays. Geiger counters do tend to count them, though it depends on their energy.

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  24. Re:Good news for lab workers by FredGray · · Score: 3, Informative
    Photographic style dosimeters (a piece of film shielded by different layers of metal) are very common.

    Actually, the old "film badges" have largely been replaced by devices called thermoluminescent dosimeters (TLDs). They are made of a material which, when struck by radiation, goes into a metastable excited state. The badge is processed by heating it up, causing the molecules that had been excited to drop back to the ground state. In the process, a photon is emitted, which is detected by a photomultiplier tube. Your radiation dose is proportional to the number of photons counted. The advantages of a TLD over a film badge are that it tends to more precise for very small doses, it can be processed faster if you have the equipment on-site, and it's reusable.