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Prentice Hall To Publish Open Content Licensed Books

lma writes "Bruce Perens has convinced Prentice Hall to publish a series of books under an Open Source license. The 'Bruce Perens' Open Source Series' will be available first as hardcopy in bookstores, and the Open Source text will be available electronically a few months later. Prentice Hall is counting on people buying the books even though the electronic version will be freely available later. I like the model, since I prefer to read paper, but like the electronic version for reference."

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  1. My prediction... by Anand_S · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Microsoft Press will be pissed about this. "Open Source books will be the death of the industry!"

    1. Re:My prediction... by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Let's give them a run for their money :-) To do that, we need to make this a big bookshelf. Want to write something? I need authors. It won't make you rich, but it will do good for both you and the world.

      Thanks

      Bruce

    2. Re:My prediction... by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Mostly I am looking for user or developer documentation for Free Software. I would hope that I'll get some of the software authors, but I recognize that many of them would rather code. Note also that writing a book does not make you wealthy (me neither). It doesn't pay as well as consulting. On the other hand, if you aren't working anyway... The benefit of writing a book is that you are valued more as an employee, consultant, or scholar. You know the cliche: He wrote the book about it!

      Bruce

    3. Re:My prediction... by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
      I did a list a while back, and it turned out that my authors are more in touch with new stuff than I am. For example, I think I might have mentioned intrusion detection, but didn't put Snort on the list. I would rather that you think about what you have invested your time in, and what special areas you can contribute to. Is there an area you currently have expertise in where the rest of the world would profit from a brain-dump?

      Thanks

      Bruce

    4. Re:My prediction... by Robotech_Master · · Score: 5, Informative
      What you need to do is put the electronic version online before or concurrently with the print version. See the Baen Free Library, Baen Webscriptions, and the Honor Harrington CD-ROM (now hosted on-line in its entirety by express permission of Jim Baen).

      And see this quote from Jim Baen, on the Baen Bar:
      Baen has experienced a mysterious 50% increase in gross dollar sales in the previous year. Also, our "sellthrough" (percentage of books placed in the market that sell to end-point customers) has improved from the rather startling 63% to the truly stunning 74%. I'm tentatively blamiing this on my wacko e-net proclivities. (Insert a Crazy Eddie ad pastiche here)
      There's every sign that having the books available for free or cheap on-line has done nothing but good for the sale of print books by Baen. It might do the same for you.
      --
      Editor Emeritus and Senior Writer, TeleRead.org
  2. Novel Concept, But Not the First by CBNobi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bruce Eckel's been releasing his programming books electronically for the past few years. (Not sure of its licensing, however)

    This is probably one of the first cases of a publisher supporting this, however.

    1. Re:Novel Concept, But Not the First by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
      I'm not claiming to be the first. Go look at Creative Commons for a list of people who got there before me. But Prentice is the world's largest technical book publisher and that's important. They have done individual titles under the OPL before, but never a series.

      Thanks

      Bruce

  3. Finally, I don't have to... by jmuzic1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    lug all my books home every day. I can see it now..."Open source may provide treatment for back pain"

  4. Oreilly / MySQL Reference Manual by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 4, Informative

    >>This is a tremendous departure for a mainstream publisher.

    ORA has done this already with a MySQL book. At the time of publication no less.

    Granted, it's the printed version of the electronic reference manual. But it IS an open source book. I think they're calling it O'Reilly Community press.

    Additionally, ORA open sources some of their out of prints.

    --
    Huh?
    1. Re:Oreilly / MySQL Reference Manual by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I don't want to diminish O'Reilly's efforts, they did the original Open Sources book mostly in Open Source, and a number of others, and some other publishers have as well (about my favorite is the Ruby book). But Prentice Hall is the largest technical book publisher in the world.

      Thanks

      Bruce

    2. Re:Oreilly / MySQL Reference Manual by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Informative
      The assumptions are not necessarily flawed, they just may not apply to 100% of the people. We want to make some money. We're willing to experiment.

      This series is in retail stores. I appreciate that demand publishing can do great things, but it's more of a mail-order phenomenon until it gets inexpensive enough to put the unit in a vending machine. And will that change things!

      Bruce

    3. Re:Oreilly / MySQL Reference Manual by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Please don't think in any way that I'm trying to detract or slam your new project.

      Of course not. The goal here is to get good documentation into Open Source, which is something we have had a problem with so far. The more of it, the better, wherever it comes from.

      And you don't have to be "honored", I'm just a fat old guy who posts on Slashdot.

      Thanks

      Bruce

  5. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

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  6. Amen to that! by rindeee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I will ALWAYS buy good 'ole ink and pulp as I much prefer reading them. For reference I much prefer the searchability and rapid access of electronic (and the ability to carry a bunch of them on my handheld). I have gone so far as to "un-bind" some of my favorites, scan them and OCR/index them so that I can search them electronically. Then I have to go buy another copy to replace the one I destroyed. No more! I say hurray for this. Now I just hope these books don't suck.

  7. Open Source? by Quaoar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does that mean I get to rewrite who won the civil war in my history book? SCORE!

    --
    I'll form my OWN solar system! With blackjack! And hookers!
    1. Re:Open Source? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Informative
      I think the best example of how this is handled is Wikipedia. That project is AWESOME! They have written a whole darned encyclopedia as Free Software (under the GNU FDL), the level of scholarship is high, and it is coming up a lot on google of late because their page ranking is now very high. This means it is answering questions for a lot of "real" people, not just Free Software developers :-).

      They seem to have a meta-discussion process for handling argument, but I haven't looked very deeply into it. They get stuff done.

      Bruce

  8. Copyleft is important. by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I run a web site that catalogs free books (see my sig), and I've seen many many cases where books are originally free for downloading, but then the author's web site mysteriously disappears, and your only option is to buy the print version. This is exactly the sort of thing that gave Richard Stallman conniptions and led to the GPL for software: the idea that software could go from being free to being unfree. In fact, I see it as a much bigger problem for books than for software.

    Too bad there doesn't seem to be any information about what the license is, or what editable form they'll be available in. He does refer to the possibility that profs could edit it and make their own versions.

  9. _Text Processing in Python_ almost under model by Lulu+of+the+Lotus-Ea · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have recently completed a book for Addison-Wesley. Well, almost completed--it needs to make it through copyediting and indexing still, which will probably (unfortunately) mean several more months until it is printed.

    One thing that I did--with permission of my publisher--is make the text of the book completely available during writing, and it will remain so into the future. Shameless plug, you can find it at http://gnosis.cx/TPiP/. I cannot say honestly that being allowed to provide it this way was a deciding issue in choosing a publisher; but it certainly does make me feel better about writing the book.

    Admittedly, this is not quite the same thing as an OpenContent license. You are free to read the book at the URL listed, and print yourself a personal copy. But the book is under copyright, and you cannot reproduce and sell the text yourself. Still, I believe it is a step in the right direction... maybe my next book will manage to go a step farther.

    Yours, David...

  10. This is perfect by RainbowSix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Take for example my paper copy of The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I've read that thing probably a dozen times. A beautiful work of art. But, there is always that time when I want to find a quote for my website or to have a laugh with someone. That is when the text files are essential.

    I know I'll be buying more books when I know I can search through them, because not every book I've read has been easily locatable scans on my favorite ftp sites :)

    --
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    It's OK to be social, just don't tell anyone about it.
  11. Re:Nice title by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
    I sincerely did not ask for it to be named after me. That's Prentice's idea, and they need my name there to differentiate them from any other Open Source line that someone else does. I find it a bit embarassing, but will live with it for the good of making books that are Open Source licensed.

    Actually, it has created tremendous difficulty for me. I have to get all of the doors widened in my home now, so that I can get my head through them :-)

    Bruce

  12. Re:Proof reading! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Informative
    Dan Gilmore pointed that out to me, and we are getting after Barnes and Noble about it. Somebody must be typing really fast! We think it might have happened at the wholesaler, who sends data batches to the bookstores.

    Bruce

  13. Re:Paper pricing by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Funny
    Anyone in the know about Open Source will understand that the books are free text when they see my name.

    The copyright page says it's OPL licensed, although there is a bug in the copyright page which I will fix in the electronic version, because someone didn't understand the OPL when putting together the copyright page. It goes to the trouble to say that you can use it under the OPL, and then after that says "no copying". Duh!

    Bruce

  14. A note about the license by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
    The license, at present, is the Open Publication License with no options taken. If any of the options were taken, it would not be an Open Source license (the options restrict modification and commercial use). We are open to other Free Software licenses, my contract explicitly allows the GNU Free Documentation License (which I would like to see used without immutable sections, which I feel make the work not Open Source).

    Thanks

    Bruce

    1. Re:A note about the license by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Informative
      Whatever we can convert the .doc file into. Yes, Prentice PTR is still a .doc file shop. I think the XML format used by OpenOffice might be best. I have used OpenOffice to read the books.

      Bruce

  15. Ripping off college students one edition at a time by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Funny

    The books will cost $50-$75 dollars while they're being sold at university bookstores, then released free as soon as the course is over so that the resale value of the book is zero.

    However, the free book will be useless for the next semester's courses, because a new edition will have been released to update the book for the changing technologies, of course.

    See, it is possible to make big money with open source... although this wasn't what we had in mind.

  16. Redefine the history of the civil war by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Informative
    Yes, the link here will let you do just that.

    Bruce

  17. Re:why do I suspect by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It will be in an editable format. We would like your changes for the second edition, after all. Unfortunately, they are still operating a .doc file shop there at Prentice. But we have OpenOffice, which can turn .doc files into its own XML format, as well as several other open formats. I have had no problem using OpenOffice to read the books.

    Bruce

  18. Re:Don't forget by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Don't worry. They wanted me on board for credibility. That would lose it for them.

    Bruce

  19. Re:Bigger Implications... by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Informative
    Well, Prentice Hall PTR is not the division that makes text books. PTR makes technical books. One victory at a time, and that next one might be a good deal more difficult. But it's already happening at the colleges, rather than the publishers.

    Thanks

    Bruce

  20. Re:What about tomorrow? by yeOldeSkeptic · · Score: 4, Interesting
    But, what happens when books become like CDs (easy and inexpensive to make exact functionality copies)? Would enough people pay for the hardcopy to support the author enough to put food on his table?

    Yes they will. If they value their time and the book enough. Even if a laser printed copy of a downloadable is cheaper by a few dollars from the press-printed book, I strongly believe that most people would still go for the convenience and quality of the latter. Why?

    Well, 10 dollars is certainly worth much less than the time that I have to spend printing, collating and having the book bound professionally. I would rather pay the extra ten bucks and avoid the aggravation. So, yes, there will be a market for open books for as long as the value of the book is much greater than the cost of buying it.

    As I see it, open books will revolutionize the industry in the following way.

    1. No book will ever be out of print. Troff is several decades old but it is still alive and kicking in the form of groff. Because groff is open sourced, it will continue to exist in the net somewhere and it will continue to be improved even if only incrementally. Compare that with say, WordPerfect which is almost on the way to extinction. (Please no counter-arguments about warez or how it is still on your hard disk!)
    2. Financially successfull open licensed books will be of a better quality than comparable closed-licensed books. Why? Because in order for the book to succeed it must be of the quality where people are willing to pay for it when a downloadable copy is available. This leads to...
    3. Cost of publishing will drop. Publishers will be able to test probable success of any book cheaply by having it downloadable on the net. All the publisher has to do is log all downloads (in order to count popularity) and provide a survey form inquiring whether the reader would buy a hard-copy of this book if it is available on the market and for how much. No need to print 10,000 copies of a book and then discover what a crap it is. However, it could also mean...
    4. Writing will cease to be as profitable a profession as it is today. But as RMS himself will say (with paraphrasing) just because book writing is not very profitable does not condemn you to write books. If writing books won't put food on your table, then perhaps you better find some other profession. On the other hand...
    5. Some Joe will discover a hidden talent in writing. It is so easy to publish an open book, (put a copy on the net while he is creating it) that many bored and talented individuals may just give it a try. Publishers may just discover the next Stephen King, Richard Feynmann and Donald Knuth this way! It could even be you!
  21. Reference vs. Introductory by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 5, Informative

    What I've noticed when I buy dead tree books is that I get much more value out of the books that can be used as reference tools. Typically these are books that touch on subjects that aren't quickly moving targets. For example, I recently bought an O'Reilly book on Bash at a used book store. The book isn't 100% up to date (1999 I believe), but it has helped me move a long way in my Bash scripting and is still very relevant. It's a great reference book. However, I also bought a book that explained what W.I.N.E. is and provided some usage examples at about the same time. Unfortunately, that book is incredibly out of date now and since it was also published in 1999. At this point, it's just s brick. (The W.I.N.E. project changed the way the config files work, so this book is really useless as a reference book)

    With that said, I'd like to point out that if these books are expected to sell as dead tree items, they should probably be more "reference" books than introductory books and probably deal with subject matter that changes slowly over time. The addition of the electronic version makes it relatively easy to keep THAT version up to date, but it doesn't help the owners of the dead tree version when they are not able to access the Internet.

    As an aside, I'd also like to point out the electronic books might benefit from being on CD-RW as opposed to CD-R. Considering that CD-RWs are pretty ubiquitous these days, a dead tree book could come with the book in electronic format on a CD-RW. That way, a user could keep their electronic version up to date by running an "updater" program that would check for the latest version, open the disc for writing, add changes to the disc, and then close the session to make it readable again. THAT would add enough value to the dead tree version that I think people would be kept interested in all three approaches: Paper Book, Online Version, and CD-RW distributed with book. The only reason people don't typically care about included CDs is that they become irrelevant VERY quickly. Just a thought.