Cryptome Log Subpoenaed

PaulBu writes "Stopped by on Cryptome tonight... It seems that their logs have been subpoenaed by Massachusetts Assistant Attorney General Chief, Corruption, Fruad (sic) & Computer Crime Division. Cryptome's answer was that "logs of Cryptome are deleted daily, or more often during heavy traffic, to protect the privacy of visitors to the site." (Good job!) See here"

Comments

Re:"or more often during heavy traffic"

[blues5150]

Is it be possible to just write a quick script to delete all of the logs automatically? Or for that matter to not log anything at all?

Isn't deleting logs an obstruction of justice?

[bmetzler]

Shouldn't we as true Americans be ready to assist in every way we can to prevent future 9/11's? If my providing logs could even prevent one little terrorist attack I would do it in a minute.

Are we that bent on self-destruction that we would rather open ourselves to the possiblity of a terrorist attack, rather then doing the simple things like providing logs to makee this world a safr place to live?

-Brent

Re:Isn't deleting logs an obstruction of justice?

[Phroggy]

Actually, I would believe that a lot of people on /., and in this country in general, would quote the phrase "Give me freedom or give me death".

Ah, but how many of them would quote it correctly, and how many of them would attribute it to Ben Franklin?

Re:Isn't deleting logs an obstruction of justice?

[theLOUDroom]

If you want to stop terrorists attacking you, first learn what is being done in your name around the world, then let your politicions know that you aren't happy with them killing children to secure better access to oil, for the benefit of their corporate "sponsors". It's a much cleaner solution that asking for log file retention.

I hate to be the first to break it to you, but terrorist aren't always the most fair, rational people out there. I understand that some US foreign policy is bad and need to be fixed, but that's not an excuse to go around killing a bunch of innocent people any more than 9/11 would have been an excuse for the US to nuke Afghanistan.

Furthermore, you have to recognize that there are always going to be a few crazies out there. Even if the US was to suddenly adopt perfect foreign policies, that every country in the world agrees with, and magically right our past wrongs, there would still be people out there who want to kill others. Part of the purpose of orginizations like the FBI is to protect us from those people. There are always going to be some of them, eliminating every last one of them is just not possible. You just can please everybody.


It's like I tell other people:
We shouldn't decide our foreign policy based on what is going to result in the least terrorism. We should decide our foreign policy is such a way that we don't turn normal people into terrorists.
These are two very different things. The first is bad (you let anyone willing to kill enough civilians have control over US foreign policy). The second is good (the US stops screwing over other countries).


Finally, a country's bad foreign policy does not justify that mass murder of civilians within that country, both in Palestine and in the US, asshole.

Re:Isn't deleting logs an obstruction of justice?

[rossz]

Haven't you asked yourself by these terrorists hate America pretty much exclusively?

No, why should I? I don't ask a murdering piece of shit why he is what he is. But since you completely missed the clue train, here's why they hate us: We represent everything they are not. Although we aren't perfect, we strive to grant EVERYONE, including immigrants, equal rights. We don't exclude half the population from full participation in society because of gender. We don't teach that it's perfectly acceptable to hate and kill someone because of a difference of religion. We don't completely ignore science and engineering and concentrate our entire education system on religious studies. Our very existence, our very success is a constant reminder to them that they are failures. At one time, the Middle East was the center of science. It was tolerant of other religions. Scholars from around the (known) world flocked to their cities to study and learn. Now that the islamofascists have taken control, they are an intellectual wasteland. That is why they hate us. FYI, if I had moderator points I would have moderated you down as off-topic or a troll. Unfortunately, I could not moderate you down for being a complete fucking idiot.

Re:Ridiculous

[twofidyKidd]

You mean the 'BigBrotherland' security act...

I can picture the scene...

[91degrees]

Defendant: I didn't plot to overthrow the government. I was browsing the web at the time!
Prosecutor: Which website?
Defendant: Cryptome. Check their logs!
Prosecutor: They seem to have deleted their logs
Judge: No alibi? I find the defendant GUILTY! The sentence is death

Re:Just a thought..

[Planesdragon]

Have you ever heard of 'chilling effects'? Do you have any idea just how noxious this idea is to freedom?

What, the idea that if you go to a public forum, other participants in that forum can identify you?

Anonymnity is anathema to society of ANY kind. It should be made as difficult as possible. (This is differnet from _privacy_, which is the freedom to hide what you're doing, not who you are.)

One of our fundamental principles has always been that you are free to think and read anything you wish; that information (with a very, very few exceptions) should not be suppressed in this country. No matter how noxious the current government may find the spread of some ideas, some of them are undoubtedly going to be right. There is little that makes authority figures more uncomfortable than the truth.

If you have persecuted information (i.e., communist propaganda, mailing lists of a hate group) then you should have at least one public member who acts as the go-between for the anonymous members of the persectuted sect and has a defended relationship with the anonymous members. (Ask a lawyer about forming one--having the public front BE a lawyer might be the easiest way.) If the gov't has a legitimate reason to perice the veil of anonymnity the public face provides, they can convince a judge to issue a specific order, akin to giving a criminal's lawyer a copy of the warrant.

Rights, in an atheistic view, are granted by the People to the individual through the government, and ceded to the government to protect the individual from the People. Your right to anonymnity deprives me of my right to confront those who speak or act against me; there's a reason non-logged in users are called "Anonymous Cowardes" here on /., y'know.